Milk Thistle

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In a message dated 5/26/2006 6:43:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

Kerry12155@... writes:

I take Natures Way brand

It is called Thisilyn - standardized to 80% silymarin

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I have real deal wicked hepC. There is no way in hell I could work the trades. I

can work maybe two hours doing say painting and prep and then I start to get

sick. I take 500mgs of milkthistle three times a day. It realy does work in some

way. Probablly by reducing swelling and portal hypertension. Milkthistle was

first recorded being used by Roman physicians on liver problems in 300 AD. So

anything that has been in use that long is not bunk. It has a limited value.

There real cure is going to be the protease inhibitors made by Vertex Corp like

VX-950 scheduled to be on pharmacy shelfves by 2010. I hope I make it. My one

friend Joe Plesant made it with three liver transplants. But it just stabalized

him. It's a rough deal. You must not be to sick yet if you can work. I hope you

stay that way. Cheers, Carybob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

...low calcium & magnesium can do that too. eat some broccoli & all better

quick. i'mm a painter/paperhanger & working on ladders using forarms/upper

body a lot, often long hours running on empty, i go through this. a salad

bar hit with meaningful greens (not iceberg)calcium enriched orange juice

(the good tropicana NFC) & a banana or two does wonders immediately.

> Re: Milk Thistle

>

>

> OK, my nutritional healing book says to take 200 to 400

> milligrams 3 x a day. Right now I'm taking 500Mg's 2 x a day. I

> have just learned recently that I have hep c so I can't say if

> the thistle is helping. I have been having a problem with my

> legs and feet cramping, which is new to me and I chalk up to low

> potassium. I want to know why though. Is it the milk thistle,

> I haven't read anything to that affect. Or a hep c side affect

> that I haven't read about either. Good luck to you. Jeri

>

> Jeri

>

>

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In a message dated 5/26/2006 8:35:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

lil.pumpkin@... writes:

What was the recommended dosage of olive leaf? I'll try anything...

I've been looking all over his site for that info and it's not there - I

found one on Milk Thistle

_http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA365823/_ (http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA365823/)

I looked back through my old files at home and found the article - it was in

his newsletter from 1998 called " Natural help for hepatitis "

It says to take Olive leaf extract according to instructions on the bottle.

He only recommended taking 4 things - Milk Thistle - 1 cap 3 x a day,

Shizandra (according to label instructions) Maitake mushroom (according to

package

instructions) and Olive leaf extract (according to label instructions.

He may have changed his ideas now because he only mentions Milk Thistle and

Schizandra now

_http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA326618/_

(http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA326618/)

Hope any of that helps - Kerry

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What was the recommended dosage of olive leaf? I'll try anything...

Kerry12155@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/26/2006 6:43:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

Kerry12155@... writes:

I take Natures Way brand

It is called Thisilyn - standardized to 80% silymarin

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sounds pretty miserable Carey. i have to work, sick or not, or the whole

scene collapses & i & others end up homeless in short order, & i'd rather be

in prison than homeless again, & rather be dead than in the republicans

privatized prisons (that's how they like it i suppose - it would be nice if

their thieving hypocrite convicted politicians & lobbyists get equal

mistreatment/neglect like they're supposed to). i make myself eat right

when i can afford to & it helps a lot. i don't get hungry or enjoy food

anymore like i used to... i just start getting sick & know that i have to

eat soon or else. the smell of all paint products (i won't handle oil

based any more) makes me bearably sick, but intermittent fibromyalgia-like

symptons & dizziness sometimes make it dangerous or at least unaffordably

inefficient.

bobL

> Re: Milk Thistle

> >

> >

> > OK, my nutritional healing book says to take 200 to 400

> > milligrams 3 x a day. Right now I'm taking 500Mg's 2 x a day. I

> > have just learned recently that I have hep c so I can't say if

> > the thistle is helping. I have been having a problem with my

> > legs and feet cramping, which is new to me and I chalk up to low

> > potassium. I want to know why though. Is it the milk thistle,

> > I haven't read anything to that affect. Or a hep c side affect

> > that I haven't read about either. Good luck to you. Jeri

> >

> > Jeri

> >

> >

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Thanks for all the opinions on milk thistle. I had pretty much come to the same

conclusion after all the reading I did on it, but you, Caryboyd, are the 1st

'bad' hep c victim to give your opinion and I especially want to thank you for

it. I hope you can hang in there till the new drug is put on the market!!

Jeri

Jeri

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Jeri,

Yes, milk thistle is a 'Liver Soothing' herb and has been used for

years. But that was before the modern day drugs were around. Please

take a momement to read this warning put out by the University of

Pittsburg.

http://www.geocities.com/1Leighann/MTWarning.html

Glenn

>

> Thanks for all the opinions on milk thistle. I had pretty much come

to the same conclusion after all the reading I did on it, but you,

Caryboyd, are the 1st 'bad' hep c victim to give your opinion and I

especially want to thank you for it. I hope you can hang in there

till the new drug is put on the market!! Jeri

>

> Jeri

>

>

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....i'd thought i might've seen something go by on this list about those

effects but hadn't followed the link to read yet.

ok, MT appears to be contraindicated not a good thing when one is on any of

those various Rx drugs. i use none of them (i'd rather be depressed, outta

whack,...so far at least), only an OTC pain reliever very rarely, imported

cigar leaf obsessively ...so i wonder if there's further findings re the MT

effect on that enzymes role in processing foods & their by-products in the

system or whatever the enzymes usual job is that anyone has run into? i

just got home from grocery shopping with my first ever little bag of MT

seeds ready to start grinding some up every day.

i just did a google search on CYP3A4 & followed the wikipedia link where i

don't understand much, but within that the clickable word xenobiotics

helps clarify. my tentative conclusion for the moment is that if not taking

OTC or Rx drugs, eating organically -especially antibiotic & hormone free

animal flesh- to avoid weird drugs, & avoiding various industrial pollution,

the MT may be a good thing. to the extent that the body gets polluted with

all the crap of our questionably wonderful decadent lifestyle maintenance &

production suppression of the activity of the CYP3A4 gets harmful.

am i reading this correctly???

bobL

> Re: Milk Thistle

>

>

> Jeri,

> Yes, milk thistle is a 'Liver Soothing' herb and has been used for

> years. But that was before the modern day drugs were around. Please

> take a momement to read this warning put out by the University of

> Pittsburg.

> http://www.geocities.com/1Leighann/MTWarning.html

> Glenn

>

>

> >

> > Thanks for all the opinions on milk thistle. I had pretty much come

> to the same conclusion after all the reading I did on it, but you,

> Caryboyd, are the 1st 'bad' hep c victim to give your opinion and I

> especially want to thank you for it. I hope you can hang in there

> till the new drug is put on the market!! Jeri

> >

> > Jeri

> >

> >

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My fiance and I werediagnosed a couple months ago.

Neither one of us would have even known, its never

made either one of us feel or get sick. Maybe thats

cause we havent had it long enough? I suspect we got

it last summer.What really bugs me is my girl drinks

almost daily, and doesnt want to stop. Ive read all

the gas on fire analogies. Does anyone have firsthand

knowledge of what an almost daily drinker can expect?

md

--- Hepatitis C

<caryboyd@...> wrote:

> I have real deal wicked hepC. There is no way in

hell I could work the trades. I can work maybe two

hours doing say painting and prep and then I start to

get sick. I take 500mgs of milkthistle three times a

day. It realy does work in some way. Probablly by

reducing swelling and portal hypertension. Milkthistle

was first recorded being used by Roman physicians on

liver problems in 300 AD. So anything that has been in

use that long is not bunk. It has a limited value.

There real cure is going to be the protease inhibitors

made by Vertex Corp like VX-950 scheduled to be on

pharmacy shelfves by 2010. I hope I make it. My one

friend Joe Plesant made it with three liver

transplants. But it just stabalized him. It's a rough

deal. You must not be to sick yet if you can work. I

hope you stay that way. Cheers, Carybob Larson

<bobLists@...> wrote:

> ...low calcium & magnesium can do that too. eat

some broccoli & all better

> quick. i'mm a painter/paperhanger & working on

ladders using forarms/upper

> body a lot, often long hours running on empty, i go

through this. a salad

> bar hit with meaningful greens (not iceberg)calcium

enriched orange juice

> (the good tropicana NFC) & a banana or two does

wonders immediately.

>

> > Re: Milk

Thistle

> >

> >

> > OK, my nutritional healing book says to take 200

to 400

> > milligrams 3 x a day. Right now I'm taking

500Mg's 2 x a day. I

> > have just learned recently that I have hep c so I

can't say if

> > the thistle is helping. I have been having a

problem with my

> > legs and feet cramping, which is new to me and I

chalk up to low

> > potassium. I want to know why though. Is it the

milk thistle,

> > I haven't read anything to that affect. Or a hep

c side affect

> > that I haven't read about either. Good luck to

you. Jeri

> >

> > Jeri

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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depending on her attitude, constitution, & consumption level expect rapidly

developing cirrhosis leading to transplant or a pretty ugly death. my first

hand experience is in watching a very depressed & hopelessly frustrated

disappointed guy in his 40's go knowingly & willingly from apparently normal

health to bloated, jaundiced, incapacitated, then dead over about 8

months...hep-C was unknown then....he drank cheap wine steadily whenever

conscious. towards the end noone would let him crash in their apts because

he'd pee & shit himself (foul fluids--he barely ate any solid food unless

forced) so he ended up sleeping in the crawl space under a schizo hoodoo

christian's apt. at one point we carted him off to a liver place that

accepted the indigent where he started getting better but he escaped & came

back & continued drinking as soon as he had the strength. there is no doubt

whatsoever that the cirhossis will happen....the more she drinks the faster

the progression... unless she does a psychological/spiritual turnaround &

quits drinking. if she drinks progressively harder instead of less you both

would be better off if she just kills herself unless you have some means of

forceful intervention to get her help.

to drag those around her through it seem plain mean & evil to me.

> Re: Milk

> Thistle

> > >

> > >

> > > OK, my nutritional healing book says to take 200

> to 400

> > > milligrams 3 x a day. Right now I'm taking

> 500Mg's 2 x a day. I

> > > have just learned recently that I have hep c so I

> can't say if

> > > the thistle is helping. I have been having a

> problem with my

> > > legs and feet cramping, which is new to me and I

> chalk up to low

> > > potassium. I want to know why though. Is it the

> milk thistle,

> > > I haven't read anything to that affect. Or a hep

> c side affect

> > > that I haven't read about either. Good luck to

> you. Jeri

> > >

> > > Jeri

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My best friend died at 41. She drank a full bottle of scotch every day.

One day, she became bloated and told me she looked like she was pregnant -

she said she " thought " she had hepatitis since we'd both had it 20 years

earlier. She was dead within 2 months.

-----Original Message-----

My fiance and I werediagnosed a couple months ago.

Neither one of us would have even known, its never

made either one of us feel or get sick. Maybe thats

cause we havent had it long enough? I suspect we got

it last summer.What really bugs me is my girl drinks

almost daily, and doesnt want to stop. Ive read all

the gas on fire analogies. Does anyone have firsthand

knowledge of what an almost daily drinker can expect?

md

[Guest guest]

Many Thyroid patients have disorderd Liver Function Tests well before they get

diagnosed with Hypo and by using Milk Thistle to put the liver back on form

seems to help the utilisation of Thyroxine or Armour

Hello Pat,

When you say disordered liver function tests, what exactly do you mean? Do you

mean people have abnormal liver function or raised liver enzymes?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

I bought some Milk Thistle for my own use, but then I read somewhere that it

should not be used if taking DHEA - no idea now where I got this information.

Any comments or opinions on this?

>

> This is indeed a herb that will clear toxins from the liver and also reverses

Fatty Liver along with assisting the breakdown and removal of gallstones and

sludge

> Its actually very effective and safe

>  

> There should be no need to take it long term however it may take 3 months or

even 6 months to deal with serious cases

>  

> You need to use Milk Thistle Tincture and normal dose is 10 drops in a small

glass of water first thing in morning and last thing at night

>  

> In really severe cases you can add Berberis tincture but only use that for 2

weeks

> Berberis also helps to cleanse the kidneys

>  

> Many Thyroid patients have disorderd Liver Function Tests well before they get

diagnosed with Hypo and by using Milk Thistle to put the liver back on form

seems to help the utilisation of Thyroxine or Armour

>  

> Normal Doctors have absolutely no medicines they can prescribe to deal with

liver congestion /toxins etc and even if you always eat loads of fresh fruit and

veg and avoid all processed foods your liver can still become sluggish

>  

> I use Milk Thistle from time to time to clear Aluminium from my liver because

no matter how careful i am to avoid it there are times when i inadvertantly

ingest a contaminated food and suffer the effects

>  

> Pat

>

[Guest guest]

I take Pure Encapsulations Silymarin which is milk thistle. This brand doesn't

use excipients, binders or fillers. You can order it online at purecaps.com.

From: M. <mmmgym@...>

Subject: Milk thistle

iodine

Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 7:54 AM

 

Hi group:

 

I have decided to take Milk Thistle because of what people have reported on this

site.  I seem to have swelling in many places on my body and feel I need to

support my liver.  I cannot afford the UltraCleanse at this time.

 

I am taking the supplements and meds that are the protocol mentioned on

's site and have been for over a yr. now.  My weight continues to rise

and the swelling is on the upper inside of my lower legs, above my elbow, above

my collar bone, arm pits and upper abdomen. 

 

I exercise 3-4 days a week, both cardio and strength training.  My question is,

does it matter what brand of Milk Thistle I purchase?  The one I saw in the

store has magnesium silicate and vegetable magnesiulm stearate in it also.  If I

am already taking BalanCe, which has magnesium in it, will I be getting too much

magnesium if it is in the milk thistle also?  The label said the recommended

dosage was 175mgs. 2x a day.

 

Thanks for everyone's help.

 

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Another really good milk thistle is a milk thistle complex tincture by Bio

Force. It contains supportive herbs for gall bladder and kidneys. It's really

good potent stuff. My mom used it several years ago when her dobie developed

hepatitis. It saved her life and brought her liver enzymes down to normal in

about 3 months.

http://www.vitasprings.com/milk-thistle-complex-liquid-bioforce.html

Lorie

>

> Hi group:

>  

> I have decided to take Milk Thistle because of what people have reported on

this site.  I seem to have swelling in many places on my body and feel I need to

support my liver.  I cannot afford the UltraCleanse at this time.

>  

> I am taking the supplements and meds that are the protocol mentioned on

's site and have been for over a yr. now.  My weight continues to rise

and the swelling is on the upper inside of my lower legs, above my elbow, above

my collar bone, arm pits and upper abdomen. 

>  

> I exercise 3-4 days a week, both cardio and strength training.  My question

is, does it matter what brand of Milk Thistle I purchase?  The one I saw in the

store has magnesium silicate and vegetable magnesiulm stearate in it also.  If I

am already taking BalanCe, which has magnesium in it, will I be getting too much

magnesium if it is in the milk thistle also?  The label said the recommended

dosage was 175mgs. 2x a day.

>  

> Thanks for everyone's help.

>  

>

>

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do you have the blueprint of the labs from this? It's so easy just to trust people, but it's nice to see the hard evidence. Thank you!

From: lbb116 <lorie@...>Subject: Re: Milk thistleiodine Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 2:05 PM

Another really good milk thistle is a milk thistle complex tincture by Bio Force. It contains supportive herbs for gall bladder and kidneys. It's really good potent stuff. My mom used it several years ago when her dobie developed hepatitis. It saved her life and brought her liver enzymes down to normal in about 3 months. http://www.vitaspri ngs.com/milk- thistle-complex- liquid-bioforce. htmlLorie>> Hi group:> > I have decided to take Milk Thistle because of what people have reported on this site. I seem to have swelling in many places on my body and feel I

need to support my liver. I cannot afford the UltraCleanse at this time.> > I am taking the supplements and meds that are the protocol mentioned on 's site and have been for over a yr. now. My weight continues to rise and the swelling is on the upper inside of my lower legs, above my elbow, above my collar bone, arm pits and upper abdomen. > > I exercise 3-4 days a week, both cardio and strength training. My question is, does it matter what brand of Milk Thistle I purchase? The one I saw in the store has magnesium silicate and vegetable magnesiulm stearate in it also. If I am already taking BalanCe, which has magnesium in it, will I be getting too much magnesium if it is in the milk thistle also? The label said the recommended dosage was 175mgs. 2x a day.> > Thanks for everyone's help.> >

>

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Hello, I bought some Milk Thistle because on the website there is a section that

recommends Milk Thistle for support of the liver. Would this be good as I have

had alot of liver issues?

I am not sure Bee wants us to use this, would this herb in capsule form be

considered a diretic?

Angie

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>

> Hello, I bought some Milk Thistle because on the website there is a section

that recommends Milk Thistle for support of the liver. Would this be good as I

have had alot of liver issues?

> I am not sure Bee wants us to use this, would this herb in capsule form be

considered a diretic?

+++Hi Angie. It isn't necessary to take Milk Thistle since this program

supports the liver extremely well because it is high in " good " fats which are so

important for a good healthy liver and gall bladder. Of course good oils

include supplements such as omega 3, and vitamins A, D & E, since they all work

together in the body.

If your liver is painful you should do coffee enemas and dry skin brushing to

help it, in addition to the diet and supplements. But otherwise don't be

concerned.

Bee

[Guest guest]

This belongs on the Iodine OT group please.

Steph

milk thistle

I read in an email in this group that taking milk thistle is a good idea for liver support, but I just read on another site that it can mimic estrogen. Can anyone shed some light on this?Thanks,Kim