Re: Candida and Cold Sores

[Guest guest]

>

> I got oral thrush (as well as intestinal candida) at exactly the same times as

cold sores. I'm 28 and have never had cold sores before this.

>

> Do you think there is a link? Is there a particular diet or nutritional plan

that can help cold sores?

>

> Would be good to hear your opinion Bee.

+++Hi. Is your name Will?

Cold sores are toxins coming out, so yes there is a link to candida.

My diet plus supplements improves anyone's health since it builds up your immune

system and the overall strength and health of your body.

To do this you need to:

1) Consume " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements),

2) Eliminate toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer),

3) Eliminate damaging foods, and

4) Eliminate toxins in general.

Please ensure you read two important articles so you understand candida, and

know what you need to do and why:

1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

For encouragement and inspiration see these wonderful Success Stories by members

of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee,

Do you still stick rigidly to this diet. I mean do you ever eat fruit such as

oranges and bananas or drink alcohol?

Thanks.

> >

> > I got oral thrush (as well as intestinal candida) at exactly the same times

as cold sores. I'm 28 and have never had cold sores before this.

> >

> > Do you think there is a link? Is there a particular diet or nutritional plan

that can help cold sores?

> >

> > Would be good to hear your opinion Bee.

>

> +++Hi. Is your name Will?

>

> Cold sores are toxins coming out, so yes there is a link to candida.

>

> My diet plus supplements improves anyone's health since it builds up your

immune system and the overall strength and health of your body.

>

> To do this you need to:

> 1) Consume " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements),

> 2) Eliminate toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer),

> 3) Eliminate damaging foods, and

> 4) Eliminate toxins in general.

>

> Please ensure you read two important articles so you understand candida, and

know what you need to do and why:

>

> 1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

>

> 2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

>

> For encouragement and inspiration see these wonderful Success Stories by

members of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

>

> The best in health, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Will,

I don't stick rigidly to this diet, but I do follow its basic principles, and

take all of the supplements as well. I don't take as much calcium and magnesium

because I have dairy products, and I take less vitamin C since I am healthy.

Sometimes I eat small bites of fresh fruit when I eat out but I have an aversion

to it because it tastes too sweet to me and I know how bad fructose is. The

only fruit I may have a home is applesauce which I like on pork or on buckwheat

pancakes.

I don't have alcohol at home, but occasionally I'll have a shot of Drambuie at

my daughter's or a restaurant. Sometimes I'll have a wine cooler in the Summer

when at my daughter's boat or beach cottage.

Mostly I eat meats, eggs and good fats, with very little vegetables, and my fats

ratio is the same as this program. I rarely eat salads or raw vegetables. I

make my own mayonnaise, salad dressing and bone broths.

I rarely have grains, nuts or seeds, and I never eat legumes (beans and peas

from pods). Once in awhile I have buckwheat pancakes with lots of butter and a

little applesauce (maybe once a month or less).

All the best, Bee

>

> Bee,

>

> Do you still stick rigidly to this diet. I mean do you ever eat fruit such as

oranges and bananas or drink alcohol?

[Guest guest]

Oh so you don't eat that many vegetables.....! Is this what I should be doing?

Maybe I need to read through the diet plan again. I've been eating a lot of

green vegetables (but not peas, beans).

> >

> > Bee,

> >

> > Do you still stick rigidly to this diet. I mean do you ever eat fruit such

as oranges and bananas or drink alcohol?

>

[Guest guest]

Bee,

Advice for those of us who just don't do " well " with a lot of meat protein?

(ie, I don't desire it at all..?)

I can do the veggies, green smoothies, sometimes juices, and oils (esp CO-

loooveee it), with all supps just fine daily.

Meat, eggs, etc, I am having to force-feed myself.

Thanks Bee,

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:51 AM, will_usher <will@...> wrote:

>

>

> Bee,

>

> Do you still stick rigidly to this diet. I mean do you ever eat fruit such

> as oranges and bananas or drink alcohol?

>

> Thanks.

>

>

> > >

> > > I got oral thrush (as well as intestinal candida) at exactly the same

> times as cold sores. I'm 28 and have never had cold sores before this.

> > >

> > > Do you think there is a link? Is there a particular diet or nutritional

> plan that can help cold sores?

> > >

> > > Would be good to hear your opinion Bee.

> >

> > +++Hi. Is your name Will?

> >

> > Cold sores are toxins coming out, so yes there is a link to candida.

> >

> > My diet plus supplements improves anyone's health since it builds up your

> immune system and the overall strength and health of your body.

> >

> > To do this you need to:

> > 1) Consume " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements),

> > 2) Eliminate toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria

> and cancer),

> > 3) Eliminate damaging foods, and

> > 4) Eliminate toxins in general.

> >

> > Please ensure you read two important articles so you understand candida,

> and know what you need to do and why:

> >

> > 1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

> > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

> >

> > 2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

> > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

> >

> > For encouragement and inspiration see these wonderful Success Stories by

> members of this group:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

> >

> > The best in health, Bee

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

> Advice for those of us who just don't do " well " with a lot of meat protein?

> (ie, I don't desire it at all..?)

*** Unfortunately, there are nutrients and fats in meats that are essential for

your health and healing that are not found in carbohydrates. I used to be a

vegetarian for many years (and a raw-fooder for a couple of those years), so I

understand how meat can be foreign or distasteful. But, I also think that my

previous ways of eating actually caused me serious damage. Meats are actually

easier for the body to digest than carbs, so once my taste developed, I found it

made my digestion issues much better.

***You might have to start slow with meat and eggs, but in no time you will find

your tastes change and you will begin to crave meat and eggs. I went from not

knowing how to even cook meat, to eating and enjoying it daily.

> I can do the veggies, green smoothies, sometimes juices, and oils (esp CO-

> loooveee it), with all supps just fine daily.

*** I know you are pretty new, and I think you should review the allowed foods

because green smoothies and juices are not allowed or recommended. Maybe you

are getting off these things, but Bee does not recommend juices (Neither fruit

or vegetable) because they are a concentrated sugar form, and not good for

Candida folks. Also smoothies often have a base (Yogurt, soy, juice, etc) that

would not be good for Candida. She also recommends that we have our vegetables

cooked not raw, for better absorption and digestion.

You mentioned " Oils " so I just want to make sure you are aware that Bee

recommends many good fats, not just oils. Certainly, Coconut oil is a major

part of our diet but so is butter, lard, meat fat.... if you use olive oil, use

it as a condiment, you won't want to cook with it-- no other vegetable oils are

recommended.

> Meat, eggs, etc, I am having to force-feed myself

***Have you tried Bee's egg drink yet? It is really, really delicious! I have

one (or two!) everyday. It's a great way to introduce eggs into your diet. The

recipe is on Bee's site.

Hope this helps!

Best,

Marissa (a group moderator)

[Guest guest]

Hi Will,

All foods that are not fat or protein are considered a carbohydrate. It is

good if you don't try to eat a lot of vegetables because *all* carbs will feed

candida.

All the best,

(a group moderator)

>

> Oh so you don't eat that many vegetables.....! Is this what I should be doing?

Maybe I need to read through the diet plan again. I've been eating a lot of

green vegetables (but not peas, beans).

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I will second what Marissa said. I, too, am a former long-time vegetarian and

had never cooked meat before 21 months ago!

Your tastes for food will change as you progress on the diet. Once a pasta and

rice addict, I've come to see those foods as 'paste' and find them *very*

unappealing.

Start off with the meats that you don't mind eating and gradually add more. For

example, when I started, I could only stomach fish, so I ate fish twice a day

every day for a month! I eventually felt I could handle other meats, so I added

turkey and chicken and finally went for red meats.

I also had to force-feed myself eggs in the beginning because I would get strong

healing reactions from them which made me feel nauseated. Now I crave them!

It's kinda funny how things change.

I keep telling myself this: You need to do what is necessary to get better. I

think it helps to keep me focused since I definitely don't want to go back to

the way I was.

Hang in there. It does get better!

(a group moderator)

>

> Bee,

>

> Advice for those of us who just don't do " well " with a lot of meat protein? >

(ie, I don't desire it at all..?)

> I can do the veggies, green smoothies, sometimes juices, and oils (esp CO->

loooveee it), with all supps just fine daily.

> Meat, eggs, etc, I am having to force-feed myself.

>

> Thanks Bee,

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Oh so you don't eat that many vegetables.....! Is this what I should be doing?

Maybe I need to read through the diet plan again. I've been eating a lot of

green vegetables (but not peas, beans).

+++Hi Will. It is okay to eat any vegetables on the diet, as long as you stay

within your carb ratios. I just don't prefer a lot of vegetables.

You say you eat " a lot of green vegetables " please understand that they are

diuretic, meaning they make the body lose water and minerals along with it, so

be cautious about eating lots (depending upon how much that is). We shouldn't

go overboard on any one thing; moderation is the " key. "

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Ok well I'm not sure if this diet is good to help cold sores as I got a really

bad cold sore last week. I've been reading up on the virus and I think that a

high lysine/arginine ratio in the body is good for prevention. So hopefully

if/when I get the itch problem under control I can go back to eating natural

yoghurt and dairy products which are high in lysine.

Can I ask... do you eat any bread or sugar?

> >

> > Bee,

> >

> > Do you still stick rigidly to this diet. I mean do you ever eat fruit such

as oranges and bananas or drink alcohol?

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Ok well I'm not sure if this diet is good to help cold sores as I got a really

bad cold sore last week. I've been reading up on the virus and I think that a

high lysine/arginine ratio in the body is good for prevention. So hopefully

if/when I get the itch problem under control I can go back to eating natural

yoghurt and dairy products which are high in lysine.

+++Hi Will. All meats and eggs contain lysine, not just dairy products. Lysine

is higher in egg whites than in dairy.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> +++Hi Will. All meats and eggs contain lysine, not just dairy products.

Lysine is higher in egg whites than in dairy.

>

> Bee

>

Yeah but it also contains a lot of Arginine.

http://www.herpes-coldsores.com/diet_and_nutrition_with_herpes.htm#VitaminsMiner\

als

[Guest guest]

Hi Will,

Arginine is an amino acid just like lysine is, and it does not cause cold sores

or herpes, nor does it contribute to it.

Your cold sores are caused by toxins coming out, no matter whether they also

contain bugs that your own body creates to get rid of the toxins.

On this program individual diseases, symptoms, malfunctions, etc. are not

treated separately like doctors do, and they claim that any and all of them are

separate from each other, so they label them like crazy.

You can only heal your body by building up the immune system, which is done by:

1) Consuming " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements),

2) Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer),

3) Eliminating damaging foods, and

4) Eliminating toxins in general.

And all of the amino acids (proteins) are important so your body is able to

function like it should.

However, healing foods, herbs and spices do cause healing reactions and

symptoms, and again doctors label healing reactions as separate dis-eases, which

they aren't - see this article to understand:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal14.php

In fact the dis-ease processes are exactly the same as the healing processes,

with the only difference being that you are now progressing towards health

rather than becoming more and more unhealthy.

Bee

[Guest guest]

I know Arginine doesn't 'cause' cold sores but it is required for a cold sore to

form. I know from experiences of others that if they eat a lot of high

Lysine/Arginine ratio food then this can help reduce the affects of cold sores

or reduce them forming. I don't think that one diet in particular can fight off

all viruses. If what you're saying is correct then theoretically you personally

(assuming you are healthy and are sticking to your diet) would never get a cold

sore. That doesn't seem likely.

>

> Hi Will,

> Arginine is an amino acid just like lysine is, and it does not cause cold

sores or herpes, nor does it contribute to it.

>

> Your cold sores are caused by toxins coming out, no matter whether they also

contain bugs that your own body creates to get rid of the toxins.

>

> On this program individual diseases, symptoms, malfunctions, etc. are not

treated separately like doctors do, and they claim that any and all of them are

separate from each other, so they label them like crazy.

>

> You can only heal your body by building up the immune system, which is done

by:

> 1) Consuming " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements),

> 2) Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer),

> 3) Eliminating damaging foods, and

> 4) Eliminating toxins in general.

>

> And all of the amino acids (proteins) are important so your body is able to

function like it should.

>

> However, healing foods, herbs and spices do cause healing reactions and

symptoms, and again doctors label healing reactions as separate dis-eases, which

they aren't - see this article to understand:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal14.php

>

> In fact the dis-ease processes are exactly the same as the healing processes,

with the only difference being that you are now progressing towards health

rather than becoming more and more unhealthy.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I know Arginine doesn't 'cause' cold sores but it is required for a cold sore

to form. I know from experiences of others that if they eat a lot of high

Lysine/Arginine ratio food then this can help reduce the affects of cold sores

or reduce them forming. I don't think that one diet in particular can fight off

all viruses. If what you're saying is correct then theoretically you personally

(assuming you are healthy and are sticking to your diet) would never get a cold

sore. That doesn't seem likely.

+++Hi Will. The fact is that one diet plus supplements does fight viruses,

germs, bacteria, candida, cancer, because IF your body is healthy it doesn't

need to form them in order to clean itself up.

See these articles about how the Germ Theory of Disease is totally false and

then you'll understand better:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu5_3_1.php

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I know Arginine doesn't 'cause' cold sores but it is required for a cold sore

to form. I know from experiences of others that if they eat a lot of high

Lysine/Arginine ratio food then this can help reduce the affects of cold sores

or reduce them forming. I don't think that one diet in particular can fight off

all viruses. If what you're saying is correct then theoretically you personally

(assuming you are healthy and are sticking to your diet) would never get a cold

sore. That doesn't seem likely.

/// Hi Will, i used to have cold sore all the time when i was young, after

puberty, they often went with my cycle. eventually i figured out that if i ate

lots of chocolat, it got worst, but if i avoided it completely, i had far fewer

of them. along with limiting my sugar/fruit intake. i always been hypoglycemic.

when i got pregnant for the second time, i had lots of morning sickness and

found out hot chocolate helped my nausea and did not induce cold sore... that

was during pregnancy. a little while after i gave birth i had a much worst case

of cold sore then cold sore themselves... shingles!!! so i avoided chocolate,

even before i got on this diet.

but to prove even more that immune system has a strong role to play in this.

hubby never had cold sores in his life, and so didn't think he had it in him.

when we got our windows redone, they used exterior caulking to seal the windows

on the inside... it made me sick and weakened our immune system. hubby broke

into a cold sore. the only one he ever had. so it is possible with the right

immune building diet to never have a cold sore ever again.

i eat at least 3 eggs a day, sometime 6, and i haven't had a cold sore since i

started Bee's diet in mid December so i don't think eggs are to fear.

Chantal

[Guest guest]

Ok thanks but mid December is less than 2 months away! Chocolate sets up an

environment that is beneficial for cold sores because it is high in Arginine.

> >

> > I know Arginine doesn't 'cause' cold sores but it is required for a cold

sore to form. I know from experiences of others that if they eat a lot of high

Lysine/Arginine ratio food then this can help reduce the affects of cold sores

or reduce them forming. I don't think that one diet in particular can fight off

all viruses. If what you're saying is correct then theoretically you personally

(assuming you are healthy and are sticking to your diet) would never get a cold

sore. That doesn't seem likely.

>

> /// Hi Will, i used to have cold sore all the time when i was young, after

puberty, they often went with my cycle. eventually i figured out that if i ate

lots of chocolat, it got worst, but if i avoided it completely, i had far fewer

of them. along with limiting my sugar/fruit intake. i always been hypoglycemic.

when i got pregnant for the second time, i had lots of morning sickness and

found out hot chocolate helped my nausea and did not induce cold sore... that

was during pregnancy. a little while after i gave birth i had a much worst case

of cold sore then cold sore themselves... shingles!!! so i avoided chocolate,

even before i got on this diet.

>

> but to prove even more that immune system has a strong role to play in this.

hubby never had cold sores in his life, and so didn't think he had it in him.

when we got our windows redone, they used exterior caulking to seal the windows

on the inside... it made me sick and weakened our immune system. hubby broke

into a cold sore. the only one he ever had. so it is possible with the right

immune building diet to never have a cold sore ever again.

>

> i eat at least 3 eggs a day, sometime 6, and i haven't had a cold sore since i

started Bee's diet in mid December so i don't think eggs are to fear.

>

> Chantal

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Ok thanks but mid December is less than 2 months away! Chocolate sets up an

environment that is beneficial for cold sores because it is high in Arginine.

>

/// true, but there has to be more then just arginine in chocolate that affect

the immune system, there are hundreds of different chemicals in chocolate, how

can one thing be isolated and blamed?

i did try to supplement with Lysine in the past and it seemed i was getting

cold sore just the same. those aminos are not the be all end all of cold sore

factor. like i also mentionned, hubby's diet had not changed, just the caulking

in the window and it made him have a cold sore because his immune system was

affected.

2 month is not long but it's a start, not the first time i go low carb though.

but with this diet, there was one change that was almost immediate. i can sleep

without sleep aid for the first time in ages.

Chantal

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Ok thanks but mid December is less than 2 months away! Chocolate sets up an

environment that is beneficial for cold sores because it is high in Arginine.

> >

>

> /// true, but there has to be more then just arginine in chocolate that affect

the immune system, there are hundreds of different chemicals in chocolate, how

can one thing be isolated and blamed?

>

> Chantal

@@ Snip

@@ Hi Will ,

In Chocolate , a larger factor would be " Sugar " . Furthermore , if a person's

immune system is depressed they can have a reaction such as cold sores due to

Sugar , Processed foods , Fumes , Chemicals ... etc . Every individual's trigger

is different !

Cold sores are a healing / detox reaction . Moreover , for the sake of argument

, Arginine is manufactured by the body . Thus while an increase might throw off

Lysine absorption , the Sugar would do more considerable overall damage , in my

humble opinion .

Bottom line , gradually get on the full diet & supplements and do the best you

can and remember " Everyone " varies how ill they are and progresses at

different rates in their healing .

Lastly , Everyone , if you are ill , your dietary requirements will be higher

and your daily life must be more strict , health wise , compared to a healthy

person like " Bee " . Therefore , it is no use you ask Bee or compare her daily

requirements or daily life practices to your own .

A healthy person's daily MAINTENANCE requirements are going to differ from your

requirements you need to REGAIN your health ! Its as simple as that ..... No

disrespect or animosity intended towards anyone .

Best in all your endeavors on your journey towards health .

Respectably,

Ed

[Guest guest]

It's all well and good saying that but it's difficult to assess what each

individual persons dietry requirements are. Where do you draw the line? How do

you know how healthy you are? Is one spoon of sugar a week going to harm me? Is

one spoon of sugar a week going to harm you? How would you know until you get an

illness?

In general I get the impression (after reading the dietry recommendations) that

these rules should be followed for a healthy diet (I'm not referring to a

candida diet);

High animal fat, moderate protein, low-carb diet. Protein, fat and carbohydrates

should be in the range of : 1 : 2.5 3.5 : 0.5

Minimise sugar/bread

Minimise fruit

Minimise or soak grains (I don't completely understand this... i.e. is porridge

a grain and is preparing it in the usual way with hot milk a form of 'soaking'

it?)

Follow this diet for healthy living;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/weight/foodslist2.php

Follow this diet for candida;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foodslist.php

I can't find an explanation for some things, such as... I understand why you

should not eat foods such as bread/mushrooms on the candida diet but why can't

you eat them when not on a candida diet? I assume sugar is bad in general

because it feeds illnesses such as cancer. It's all a bit confusing... there is

a diet for candida and everything is exlained here;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php#s21

But where is the explanation for the foods on the healthy diet (not candida

diet) list? i.e. why are some foods such as mushrooms omitted?

> > >

> > > Ok thanks but mid December is less than 2 months away! Chocolate sets up

an environment that is beneficial for cold sores because it is high in Arginine.

> > >

> >

> > /// true, but there has to be more then just arginine in chocolate that

affect the immune system, there are hundreds of different chemicals in

chocolate, how can one thing be isolated and blamed?

> >

> > Chantal

>

> @@ Snip

>

> @@ Hi Will ,

>

> In Chocolate , a larger factor would be " Sugar " . Furthermore , if a

person's immune system is depressed they can have a reaction such as cold sores

due to Sugar , Processed foods , Fumes , Chemicals ... etc . Every individual's

trigger is different !

>

> Cold sores are a healing / detox reaction . Moreover , for the sake of

argument , Arginine is manufactured by the body . Thus while an increase might

throw off Lysine absorption , the Sugar would do more considerable overall

damage , in my humble opinion .

>

> Bottom line , gradually get on the full diet & supplements and do the best you

can and remember " Everyone " varies how ill they are and progresses at

different rates in their healing .

>

> Lastly , Everyone , if you are ill , your dietary requirements will be higher

and your daily life must be more strict , health wise , compared to a healthy

person like " Bee " . Therefore , it is no use you ask Bee or compare her daily

requirements or daily life practices to your own .

>

> A healthy person's daily MAINTENANCE requirements are going to differ from

your requirements you need to REGAIN your health ! Its as simple as that .....

No disrespect or animosity intended towards anyone .

> Best in all your endeavors on your journey towards health .

>

> Respectably,

> Ed

>

[Guest guest]

>

> @@ Hi Will,

>

> In Chocolate , a larger factor would be " Sugar " . Furthermore , if a

person's immune system is depressed they can have a reaction such as cold sores

due to Sugar , Processed foods , Fumes , Chemicals ... etc . Every individual's

trigger is different !

+++Hi Ed. In addition, all chocolate contains fungus which occurs during the

processing of it and most chocolate today contains lecithin from soy.

<snip>

> Lastly , Everyone , if you are ill , your dietary requirements will be higher

and your daily life must be more strict , health wise , compared to a healthy

person like " Bee " . Therefore , it is no use you ask Bee or compare her daily

requirements or daily life practices to your own .

> A healthy person's daily MAINTENANCE requirements are going to differ from

your requirements you need to REGAIN your health ! Its as simple as that .....

No disrespect or animosity intended towards anyone .

+++Thank you for your wonderful support Ed. You are a sweetheart. I was

beginning to feel attacked for some things I do. Although I understand some

people want to feel they don't always have to be so strict with their diet, etc.

Of course I had to be extremely strict, probably even more so than people on

this program, since I didn't have a very good program to follow. I had to go by

trial and error and suffered horribly because of it. Now I'm more educated and

in control, so I " know " what affects me most and what is important for my

health. That's why I'm still healthy! lol!

Warm Regards, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> It's all well and good saying that but it's difficult to assess what each

individual persons dietry requirements are. Where do you draw the line? How do

you know how healthy you are? Is one spoon of sugar a week going to harm me? Is

one spoon of sugar a week going to harm you? How would you know until you get an

illness?

+++Hi Will. The fact is that each person's dietary requirements are exactly the

same, which is why this program is an overall healing program which gets

results.

That is because all human bodies are exactly the same, just like animals of the

same species are in the wild. So there are no different body types or nutrition

requirements. As Dr. Weston A. Price writes in his book Nutrition and Physical

Degeneration:

" We humans have the same rigid restrictions regarding food selection as the

simpler forms of life when foods are evaluated from their chemical basis. " page

464

Of course 1 spoonful of sugar a week isn't going to interfere greatly, since

consuming all of the " proper nutrients " and eliminating toxins and damaging

foods are doing their job.

>

> In general I get the impression (after reading the dietry recommendations)

that these rules should be followed for a healthy diet (I'm not referring to a

candida diet);

>

> High animal fat, moderate protein, low-carb diet. Protein, fat and

carbohydrates should be in the range of : 1 : 2.5 3.5 : 0.5

>

> Minimise sugar/bread

>

> Minimise fruit

>

> Minimise or soak grains (I don't completely understand this... i.e. is

porridge a grain and is preparing it in the usual way with hot milk a form of

'soaking' it?)

+++It is okay IF it is cooked long enough like our ancestors did. There's an

old nursery rhyme that goes:

Pease porridge hot, pease porridge cold,

Pease porridge in the pot, nine days old;

Some like it hot, some like it cold,

Some like it in the pot, nine days old.

+++Of course they wouldn't have the food industry to prepare it for them, so

they " knew " you could only consume grains, nuts, seeds and legumes (peas and

beans from pods) if they were cooked very long and/or were properly soaked or

fermented first.

<snip>

> I can't find an explanation for some things, such as... I understand why you

should not eat foods such as bread/mushrooms on the candida diet but why can't

you eat them when not on a candida diet? I assume sugar is bad in general

because it feeds illnesses such as cancer. It's all a bit confusing... there is

a diet for candida and everything is exlained here;

+++Mushrooms are okay for healthy people, and if they are not on my lists it is

simply because I'm one person and didn't think of them.

+++Sugars and starches in all but small amounts have been known to cause many

diseases since Hippocrates time. In fact when unrefined sugar was first being

produced it was very expensive so only the rich people could have it. It was

kept under lock and key so servants wouldn't get into it. Within a few years

unrefined sugar consumption went from zero to many pounds per person per year,

which was the cause of the bubonic plague - found in the book Sugar Blues by

Duffy.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Ok thanks for that. I think I'm gradually starting to work it out! Lastly...

could you clear things up for me with the basics.. bread, milk and cheese?

Obviously bread is bad for Candida sufferers as it contains yeast, but is it ok

in moderation for healthy people? I assume it's potentially bad because of the

gluten and white flour/wheat being a grain and it being a soy derivative? Is

there any bread which is better? White or brown?

I think that I read that butter is better and milk should be minimised as it is

high in carbohydrates. Could you add anything to this... is milk/cheese ok for

healthy/non candida sufferers?

I have previously thought that cows milk is not good due to modern day farming

techniques, pasteurization, homogenisation and being mucous forming. I thought

that organic goat or sheeps milk is ok though for various reasons. Is that

right?

I have done searches and can't find much relating to bread, milk, cheese so if

there's anything that I've missed then please link me to it. Thanks.

> >

> > It's all well and good saying that but it's difficult to assess what each

individual persons dietry requirements are. Where do you draw the line? How do

you know how healthy you are? Is one spoon of sugar a week going to harm me? Is

one spoon of sugar a week going to harm you? How would you know until you get an

illness?

>

> +++Hi Will. The fact is that each person's dietary requirements are exactly

the same, which is why this program is an overall healing program which gets

results.

>

> That is because all human bodies are exactly the same, just like animals of

the same species are in the wild. So there are no different body types or

nutrition requirements. As Dr. Weston A. Price writes in his book Nutrition and

Physical Degeneration:

>

> " We humans have the same rigid restrictions regarding food selection as the

simpler forms of life when foods are evaluated from their chemical basis. " page

464

>

> Of course 1 spoonful of sugar a week isn't going to interfere greatly, since

consuming all of the " proper nutrients " and eliminating toxins and damaging

foods are doing their job.

>

> >

> > In general I get the impression (after reading the dietry recommendations)

that these rules should be followed for a healthy diet (I'm not referring to a

candida diet);

> >

> > High animal fat, moderate protein, low-carb diet. Protein, fat and

carbohydrates should be in the range of : 1 : 2.5 3.5 : 0.5

> >

> > Minimise sugar/bread

> >

> > Minimise fruit

> >

> > Minimise or soak grains (I don't completely understand this... i.e. is

porridge a grain and is preparing it in the usual way with hot milk a form of

'soaking' it?)

>

> +++It is okay IF it is cooked long enough like our ancestors did. There's an

old nursery rhyme that goes:

> Pease porridge hot, pease porridge cold,

> Pease porridge in the pot, nine days old;

> Some like it hot, some like it cold,

> Some like it in the pot, nine days old.

>

> +++Of course they wouldn't have the food industry to prepare it for them, so

they " knew " you could only consume grains, nuts, seeds and legumes (peas and

beans from pods) if they were cooked very long and/or were properly soaked or

fermented first.

>

> <snip>

> > I can't find an explanation for some things, such as... I understand why you

should not eat foods such as bread/mushrooms on the candida diet but why can't

you eat them when not on a candida diet? I assume sugar is bad in general

because it feeds illnesses such as cancer. It's all a bit confusing... there is

a diet for candida and everything is exlained here;

>

> +++Mushrooms are okay for healthy people, and if they are not on my lists it

is simply because I'm one person and didn't think of them.

>

> +++Sugars and starches in all but small amounts have been known to cause many

diseases since Hippocrates time. In fact when unrefined sugar was first being

produced it was very expensive so only the rich people could have it. It was

kept under lock and key so servants wouldn't get into it. Within a few years

unrefined sugar consumption went from zero to many pounds per person per year,

which was the cause of the bubonic plague - found in the book Sugar Blues by

Duffy.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Ok thanks for that. I think I'm gradually starting to work it out! Lastly...

could you clear things up for me with the basics.. bread, milk and cheese?

>

> Obviously bread is bad for Candida sufferers as it contains yeast, but is it

ok in moderation for healthy people? I assume it's potentially bad because of

the gluten and white flour/wheat being a grain and it being a soy derivative? Is

there any bread which is better? White or brown?

>

> I think that I read that butter is better and milk should be minimised as it

is high in carbohydrates. Could you add anything to this... is milk/cheese ok

for healthy/non candida sufferers?

>

> I have previously thought that cows milk is not good due to modern day farming

techniques, pasteurization, homogenisation and being mucous forming. I thought

that organic goat or sheeps milk is ok though for various reasons. Is that

right?

>

> I have done searches and can't find much relating to bread, milk, cheese so if

there's anything that I've missed then please link me to it.

+++Hi Will. It appears as if you haven't read my main candida article, since

everything you are asking about is in it - How to Successfully Overcome Candida

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

But I'll help you find some things:

1) Bread and pasta are made from grains, and all grains are starchy foods which

act just like sugar, and also need to be prepared properly even for healthy

people - here's the section that explains what is wrong with them, aside from

the yeast issue:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php#s21

Some grains today aren't fit to eat since they are genetically modified and also

contain fungal-type toxins, called mycotoxins, that cannot be removed even by

soaking, which are damaging to anyone's health; mainly wheat, rye, barley, oats,

corn. Other foods are also mycotoxic.

All white or enriched flour/breads or pasta are not okay for healthy people

because they bind up minerals in the body, and they interfere with protein

digestion; of course that is true for any grains, nuts, seeds and legumes not

properly prepared.

Bread that is okay for healthy people are whole grains (ground properly, not

under high heat or friction) and using the sour dough method of making it, and

not using genetically modified or mycotoxic grains. That means making it

themselves since any flour on the market isn't the right kind of grains and/or

aren't prepared prior to grinding and/or are incomplete grains etc. Even sour

dough breads at health stores aren't made properly.

+++All soybeans are all genetically modified and damaging to anyone's health,

along with any soy products like oil, tofu, sauces, etc.

+++All peanuts and pastachio nuts contain mycotoxins (fungal-toxins) which

damage anyone's health like the noted grains above.

2) Dairy products, i.e. milk, cheese, butter, etc. - here's the section about

dairy products which contain lactose, a sugar, except for butter:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php#s18

The rule about lactose is that the higher the butterfat content, the less

lactose, so that's why butter is okay for candida since it has very little

lactose in it. Also butterfat in dairy helps our bodies digest lactose and

proteins in them. Healthy people can have dairy products in addition to butter

if they choose those that are high in butterfat content.

I encourage you to thoroughly read my main candida article, and for more

information also read Foods That Damage, Foods That Heal, which is for healthy

people:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal13.php

I hope that helps, Bee

[Guest guest]

> >

@@ Snip

> +++Hi Ed. In addition, all chocolate contains fungus which occurs during the

processing of it and most chocolate today contains lecithin from soy.

@@ Snip

>

> > A healthy person's daily MAINTENANCE requirements are going to differ from

your requirements you need to REGAIN your health ! Its as simple as that .....

No disrespect or animosity intended towards anyone .

>

> +++Thank you for your wonderful support Ed. You are a sweetheart. I was

beginning to feel attacked for some things I do. Although I understand some

people want to feel they don't always have to be so strict with their diet, etc.

Of course I had to be extremely strict, probably even more so than people on

this program, since I didn't have a very good program to follow. I had to go by

trial and error and suffered horribly because of it. Now I'm more educated and

in control, so I " know " what affects me most and what is important for my

health. That's why I'm still healthy! lol!

>

> Warm Regards, Bee

>

@@ Hi Bee ,

Thanks for the supplemental info on chocolate . Albeit , chocolate , is not

conducive to a person with Candida , anyway

Bee , you are very welcome for the support . I recognize the scenario , since I

experienced similar questioning in my background of Fitness & Martial Arts .

Thus , I explain , certain elements are applicable to an individual on different

levels of the spectrum , whether Health , Fitness or Martial Arts .

I commend you , Bee or anyone whom has had to walk the difficult road back to

health . Its success is rewarding , but scary , tough and takes a lot of heart

.. As I told , " Will " , I did a diet very similar to yours , out of

desperation for 3 months ... prior to your program and got great results ....

minus the supplements . So I know with experience and personal research your

program is efficacious .

" Will " , you are right to ask questions and never stop ! It is your health and

greatest possession . The more you ask , the more you read , the more

experience you gain .... the more you will understand .

This program should be " fundamentally / basically " followed for life with some

allowances here and there based on an individual's experience . " Will " ,

below is a video to add to your knowledge base and I'm sure you'll find

fascinating .

Food as Medicine - [PT 1] : http://tinyurl.com/y94mfc3

Food as Medicine - [PT 2] : http://tinyurl.com/yjyq8jq

Watch at your leisure and possibly on a weekend when you have some extra time

..... since the video , although informative & intriguing is quite lengthy .

All The Best,

Ed