questions from a newbie

[Guest guest]

I am not an expert, but your symptoms sound a lot like mine did. As for being too young, I was diagnosed with stenosis and 2 ruptured disks at 22 years old and am currently 23 and have had 2 back surgeries in the past 6 months. I wish you luck, hope it works out and you get the information you need.

Thanks,

Jeri Leigh R

In a message dated 7/18/2005 1:19:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, crypto_knight70@... writes:

Hi all - I am currently suffering some back/leg pain, and have not yet received a definite diagnosis, in spite of seeing 3 doctors. In the doctor's defense, my insurance company will not allow me to have an MRI until I complete 6 weeks or PT and 3 weeks of NSAIDs.... The doctor's and physical therapists are guessing that it is a ruptured disc, but without the MRI nobody will say for sure. It seems that low back pain is quite mysterious to the medical community. I have been on hundreds of websites, and have seen so much contradictary information, I don't know what to think. While I think I may be too young to have stenosis (I am 34), my symptoms seem most closely aligned with the consensus I have read about it. The biggest thing is that I am in pain when I stand for more than 30 seconds, and can only walk about 20 feet without being in excruciating pain. Lying flat on my back is not comfortable either. Sitting or bending forward, however relieves the pain, where I am almost pain free sometimes when sitting. I have read that sitting is supposed to be the position that causes the most pain for someone with a ruptured disc, so I am questioning what they are thinking. Do these sound familiar to anyone - does this sound more like stenosis than a disc rupture? Can PT alone fix my problems if it is stenosis? (I am currently doing aquatic therapy as they could not do traditional therapy - I can't lie on my stomach either). I have also noticed a "click" or "pop" sometimes when I move my leg on the affected side a certain way. The therapist said this is my SI joint. Anybody know if this is related to stenosis at all - I never had it before.Thanks for any info you can provide

[Guest guest]

Hi I too am just now 37 and have been suffering with this since i was

30. Your age has nothing to do with it. Its what you have been

through or if you were " destined " geneticcally to have this. I also

have not had any luck in getting a MD to diagnosis this for me.

Although my local Chiropractor has agreed without the MRI that all my

symptoms are SS. I first had the symptom of numb leg and Pain! Pain

you would not believe. But I am hoping to get insurance to be able

to visit this new clinic that has opened here. They too agree that

all the symptoms point to SS and that I need an MRI or at least an

xray as it seems I am in the progressed stage of this to be able to

tell me just how long before a wheelchair will be in place. Everyone

who agrees with this diagnosis for me has stated that first because

its been 7 yrs untreated and undiagnosised so that i could be treated

there is irreversable damage. Second with all the things I am

experiencing I am at a stage that surgery is not an option but

Physical therapy is. This can be done by a good chiropractor. One

that does more then adjust your back. My advise is to try really

hard to get a diagnosis. Plus find a good chiropractor that will do

stretching and massagings and other things to relieve your symptoms

it helps. If you are unlucky and at a stage that I am at there is

no " cure " just maintanence to keep limber moving and out of pain as

long as possible. Surgery is an option for early stages although I

have found few who were happy after and alot who were worse off then

before. I believe it has to do with where you are at with this.

another thing I did was I went to webmd.com and put in my symptoms it

listed what it could be and of course SS was the only one with all my

symptoms even the ones I did not know was a symptom..good luck!

> Hi all -

>

> I am currently suffering some back/leg pain, and have not yet

> received a definite diagnosis, in spite of seeing 3 doctors. In

the

> doctor's defense, my insurance company will not allow me to have an

> MRI until I complete 6 weeks or PT and 3 weeks of NSAIDs.... The

> doctor's and physical therapists are guessing that it is a ruptured

> disc, but without the MRI nobody will say for sure. It seems that

> low back pain is quite mysterious to the medical community. I have

> been on hundreds of websites, and have seen so much contradictary

> information, I don't know what to think. While I think I may be

too

> young to have stenosis (I am 34), my symptoms seem most closely

> aligned with the consensus I have read about it. The biggest thing

> is that I am in pain when I stand for more than 30 seconds, and can

> only walk about 20 feet without being in excruciating pain. Lying

> flat on my back is not comfortable either. Sitting or bending

> forward, however relieves the pain, where I am almost pain free

> sometimes when sitting. I have read that sitting is supposed to be

> the position that causes the most pain for someone with a ruptured

> disc, so I am questioning what they are thinking. Do these sound

> familiar to anyone - does this sound more like stenosis than a disc

> rupture? Can PT alone fix my problems if it is stenosis? (I am

> currently doing aquatic therapy as they could not do traditional

> therapy - I can't lie on my stomach either). I have also noticed

> a " click " or " pop " sometimes when I move my leg on the affected

side

> a certain way. The therapist said this is my SI joint. Anybody

> know if this is related to stenosis at all - I never had it before.

>

> Thanks for any info you can provide

>

>

[Guest guest]

My comments are below:

Steph

Questions from a Newbie

I just recently started a iodine protocol. i used atomidine for a while till i got my dose up to 12 mgs and now have switched to 1 tablet of 12.5 mg iodoral.What is the typical dose where one sees the benefits?

For me the cancer markers came down at 50 mgs but I really felt better when on 100 mgs.How long does one need to take iodoral till they see the benefits?

Some see it right away and others it is 1 mos, 2 mos or more. There are no set times.What are the typical benefits observed in the beginning?

Increased energy, lifting brain fog, loss of fibroids, eliminating cancer, better eye sight, better thyroid numbers, loss of goiter, loss of nodules, loss of fibrous breasts and pain. There is a big long list of what is can help.Does iodine work for both hypo- and hyper- thyroid?

Yes it works for both. For hyper you wnat to add L-Carnatine and Lithium. For Hypothyroid selenium and L-tyrosine.Has anyone seen improved GI conditions after using iodine?

It does go to the intestinal mucosa. Many have better regularity with iodine.

steph

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Thanks Steph.

Do people take the entire dose once a day or do they split it up for multiple times a day.

I seem to hve some insomnia since moving to the iodoral 12.5 dose. Is this normal and how long shuld it last?

Do people have any GI symptoms from iodine therapy? Since i do have colitis i am trying to figure out if symptoms re from one or the other.

Thanks

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>iodine Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:26:00 PMSubject: Re: Questions from a Newbie

My comments are below:

Steph

Questions from a Newbie

I just recently started a iodine protocol. i used atomidine for a while till i got my dose up to 12 mgs and now have switched to 1 tablet of 12.5 mg iodoral.What is the typical dose where one sees the benefits?

For me the cancer markers came down at 50 mgs but I really felt better when on 100 mgs.How long does one need to take iodoral till they see the benefits?

Some see it right away and others it is 1 mos, 2 mos or more. There are no set times.What are the typical benefits observed in the beginning?

Increased energy, lifting brain fog, loss of fibroids, eliminating cancer, better eye sight, better thyroid numbers, loss of goiter, loss of nodules, loss of fibrous breasts and pain. There is a big long list of what is can help.Does iodine work for both hypo- and hyper- thyroid?

Yes it works for both. For hyper you wnat to add L-Carnatine and Lithium. For Hypothyroid selenium and L-tyrosine.Has anyone seen improved GI conditions after using iodine?

It does go to the intestinal mucosa. Many have better regularity with iodine.

steph

Thanks

[Guest guest]

My names victor just been diagnosed with reactive arthritis. i was wondering if

you could give me some insight into this nightmare.

>

> I'm 32 and have recently been diagnosed with reactive arthritis (I think--my

rhummy

> didn't seem 100 percent sure). It first showed up about 6 months ago after I

was

> traveling in the Netherlands and Germany. I had diarrea 1 day during the trip

and my

> knee started hurting on the last day. By the time we got back to NY, it was

huge and I

> had a fever. it took about two weeks (and several painful knee taps and a

weekend in

> the hospitial) to get me to the right kind of dr. After a cortizone shot and

some anti-

> inflammatories, I was fine. The dr. didn't really tell me clearly what had

happened to

> me and I was left thinking it was a fluke and I got through it and I was fine.

>

> A few days ago, the knee swelling came back (along with neck and back

pain--but I

> have ongoing back pain from herniated disks so I didn't think much of this),

so I went

> immediately to the dr. and he put me back on Indomethacin. This is when he

told me

> it was reative arthritis, but he didn't seem too concerned. It's only that

I've been doing

> research and reading posts on this list that I've learned how chronic it can

become.

> That said, I have a few questions:

>

> 1. What is the range of severity of this disease? Do some people only have a

few flare

> ups intermittently or is the pain more typically a constant thing?

>

> 2. During a flare up with knee pain, or any joint, is it best to just rest and

keep off of

> it, or does keeping it still make it worse and stiffen. I went to work

yesterday, with a

> cane, but it was much worse by the end of the day. I want to get through this

as

> quickly as possible, so I'm trying to figure out if staying off of it is the

best way.

>

> 3. Has anyone had any success with herbal anti-inflammatory treatments, such

as

> tumeric, ginger or Boswellin? I've read about these on drweil.com but haven't

tried

> them yet.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi- I've been reading about candida for the last 2 weeks and have taken a couple

quizzes to try to see if I might have candida. I have a strong feeling that I do

have it based on my symptoms that I have had since I was a child. I'm 37 years

old and I have had various symptoms since I was 4. Depression, anxiety, sugar

addiction, bloating, allergies, lack of concentration/focus, ADD, nightmares,

sleeping 12 hrs/day, acne, and joint pain. I've been underemployed/unemployed

for many years now and I can not afford to do this entire program. Can candida

be healed through diet alone? I can afford to buy food, but not the supplements.

Thanks a lot for the website, Bee. It has been extremely informative.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ,

>

> I believe it is still very possible to make great progress without the

supplements. Although, I would try really hard to get the Cod Liver Oil & /or

fish oil.

+++Hi Natalia. No one is advised to only take fish oil.

Some progress can be made with the diet, but over the years I've found that

people who are successful and progress like they should take all of the

supplements. Some people discovered quite late that they didn't make

improvements they should because they left out one of the supplements.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi- I've been reading about candida for the last 2 weeks and have taken a

couple quizzes to try to see if I might have candida. I have a strong feeling

that I do have it based on my symptoms that I have had since I was a child. I'm

37 years old and I have had various symptoms since I was 4. Depression, anxiety,

sugar addiction, bloating, allergies, lack of concentration/focus, ADD,

nightmares, sleeping 12 hrs/day, acne, and joint pain. I've been

underemployed/unemployed for many years now and I can not afford to do this

entire program. Can candida be healed through diet alone? I can afford to buy

food, but not the supplements. Thanks a lot for the website, Bee. It has been

extremely informative.

+++Hi . Welcome to our group. You will find that you'll spend less money

on a lot of things when you are on this program, so you may have the money

necessary to get the supplements.

For example: You will not be spending money on things like toothpaste either,

since you can make your own using sea salt and/or baking soda, which is better

for you.

There are many other areas you'll save money too.

You do not have to buy organic meats and vegetables, but ensure they are not

being irradiated (zapped with radiation) or treated by injecting salt (done with

meats in some countries), which depends upon regulations in your country.

From my experience it is very important you take all of the supplements. People

who haven't do not progress as they should. That is because candida sufferers

suffer with malnutrition, and candida interferes with absorption of nutrients,

and even depletes some of them, i.e. vitamin B complex.

Like Natalia wrote you can make your own mineral-rich bone broths instead of

taking calcium and magnesium - here's the recipe:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe21.php

Bone broths are so easy, since after soaking they cook themselves.

You can also take Nutritional Yeast " Flakes " instead of vitamin B complex and

niacin - ensure you get the Flakes and not just nutritional yeast.

The most important supplements are Unrefined coconut oil, Cod Liver Oil and

ocean sea salt.

Please ensure you read two important articles:

1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

For encouragement and inspiration see these wonderful Success Stories by members

of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Sorry, yes I understand.. I guess I was just getting at the diet minus some

supplements being better than doing nothing at all. The reason I say CLO is

because a lot of people only supplement this on GAPS and still make great

progress. Sorry! >.<

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I believe it is still very possible to make great progress without the

supplements. Although, I would try really hard to get the Cod Liver Oil & /or

fish oil.

>

> +++Hi Natalia. No one is advised to only take fish oil.

>

> Some progress can be made with the diet, but over the years I've found that

people who are successful and progress like they should take all of the

supplements. Some people discovered quite late that they didn't make

improvements they should because they left out one of the supplements.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for the info. I'll find a way to do all the supplements. It's

time to sell a bunch of my stuff! I'm excited to get started. I've been doing

the paleo diet strictly for 4 months, now all I have to do is cut out the fruit

and starchy vegetables.

> >

> > Hi- I've been reading about candida for the last 2 weeks and have taken a

couple quizzes to try to see if I might have candida. I have a strong feeling

that I do have it based on my symptoms that I have had since I was a child. I'm

37 years old and I have had various symptoms since I was 4. Depression, anxiety,

sugar addiction, bloating, allergies, lack of concentration/focus, ADD,

nightmares, sleeping 12 hrs/day, acne, and joint pain. I've been

underemployed/unemployed for many years now and I can not afford to do this

entire program. Can candida be healed through diet alone? I can afford to buy

food, but not the supplements. Thanks a lot for the website, Bee. It has been

extremely informative.

>

> +++Hi . Welcome to our group. You will find that you'll spend less

money on a lot of things when you are on this program, so you may have the money

necessary to get the supplements.

>

> For example: You will not be spending money on things like toothpaste either,

since you can make your own using sea salt and/or baking soda, which is better

for you.

>

> There are many other areas you'll save money too.

>

> You do not have to buy organic meats and vegetables, but ensure they are not

being irradiated (zapped with radiation) or treated by injecting salt (done with

meats in some countries), which depends upon regulations in your country.

>

> From my experience it is very important you take all of the supplements.

People who haven't do not progress as they should. That is because candida

sufferers suffer with malnutrition, and candida interferes with absorption of

nutrients, and even depletes some of them, i.e. vitamin B complex.

>

> Like Natalia wrote you can make your own mineral-rich bone broths instead of

taking calcium and magnesium - here's the recipe:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe21.php

>

> Bone broths are so easy, since after soaking they cook themselves.

>

> You can also take Nutritional Yeast " Flakes " instead of vitamin B complex and

niacin - ensure you get the Flakes and not just nutritional yeast.

>

> The most important supplements are Unrefined coconut oil, Cod Liver Oil and

ocean sea salt.

>

> Please ensure you read two important articles:

>

> 1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

>

> 2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

>

> For encouragement and inspiration see these wonderful Success Stories by

members of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

>

> The best in health, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you so much for the info. I'll find a way to do all the supplements.

It's time to sell a bunch of my stuff! I'm excited to get started. I've been

doing the paleo diet strictly for 4 months, now all I have to do is cut out the

fruit and starchy vegetables.

+++Hi . Hooray for you!

You can get more money saving ideas from 2 previous messages posted on this

group - search for Message #83306 and #83290.

Onward & upward!

Bee

[Guest guest]

So, what's everyones take on when I can't get my goat milk for two months

during the winter when they are kidding? (is that the correct term?) I

don't want to drink store bought milk, and I can't freeze enough to last at

a normal rate that long. In the past I've treated the grains like

sourdough, letting them starve a little in the fridge ( a few weeks) then

re-feed them again, repeat. Would it be better to freeze them? Any ideas

appreciated.

Leo

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 7:46 AM, A <blwkk2@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> I’m with you, Al. I don’t understand it either. If I have too much kefir

> and need to take a break I put the regular amount of grains in my regular

> size jar and fill with milk just like normal but I put it in the

> refrigerator for a day or two and take it out when I’m ready to make more.

> The grains have plenty to eat and are ready to ferment when I take the jar

> out of the refrigerator.

> I have read here that some put grains in a tiny jar with a tiny amount of

> milk and somehow expect them to grow. They need milk to grow. They need

> more milk than they will get in a baby food jar.

> A

>

> From: Liberty Chick

> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 1:11 AM

>

>

> Subject: Re: Questions from a newbie

>

> I don't understand why a lot of people want to stress their grains out by

> not providing enough food for them. Since kefir consumes the sugar and

> lactose in milk as food and usually takes 12-48 hours to ferment, why do

> you want to put grains in a jar with a tiny bit of milk for 10x's longer

> than it usually takes with a whole lot more milk? What is the point to not

> providing adequate food and not refrigerating the grains?

>

> Al

>

>

> >

> > Hi Ana,

> >

> > Glad to hear things are getting on track. If you don't want to make

> kefir

> > every day, you can put the grains in a smaller container with milk where

> > they will have food until you want to make it again. Some people get in

> a

> > rhythm where they make a large batch of kefir and store the grains in a

> > smaller amount of milk until they are ready to make the next batch. This

> > method didn't work well for me but for some people it does. I think they

> do

> > adjust to your rhythm.

> >

> > You could do a two-day ferment if you want, if that works for you.

> >

> > What I do, is prepare only the amount that I want to drink each day. In

> my

> > case it is 10 oz. of milk and 1 tsp of grains. That 10 oz. is shared so

> > hubby gets his 1/4 cup shot, the dogs get a teaspoon for the little one

> and

> > two teaspoons for the bigger one, and I get the rest. My son can't have

> > dairy and my daughter only wants the kefir cheese which I make once in a

> > while. Here's a video showing my method.

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you checked the realmilk.com website for other raw milk farms near you?

Al

Re: Questions from a newbie

>>

>> I don't understand why a lot of people want to stress their grains out by

>> not providing enough food for them. Since kefir consumes the sugar and

>> lactose in milk as food and usually takes 12-48 hours to ferment, why do

>> you want to put grains in a jar with a tiny bit of milk for 10x's longer

>> than it usually takes with a whole lot more milk? What is the point to not

>> providing adequate food and not refrigerating the grains?

>>

>> Al

>>

>>

>> >

>> > Hi Ana,

>> >

>> > Glad to hear things are getting on track. If you don't want to make

>> kefir

>> > every day, you can put the grains in a smaller container with milk where

>> > they will have food until you want to make it again. Some people get in

>> a

>> > rhythm where they make a large batch of kefir and store the grains in a

>> > smaller amount of milk until they are ready to make the next batch. This

>> > method didn't work well for me but for some people it does. I think they

>> do

>> > adjust to your rhythm.

>> >

>> > You could do a two-day ferment if you want, if that works for you.

>> >

>> > What I do, is prepare only the amount that I want to drink each day. In

>> my

>> > case it is 10 oz. of milk and 1 tsp of grains. That 10 oz. is shared so

>> > hubby gets his 1/4 cup shot, the dogs get a teaspoon for the little one

>> and

>> > two teaspoons for the bigger one, and I get the rest. My son can't have

>> > dairy and my daughter only wants the kefir cheese which I make once in a

>> > while. Here's a video showing my method.

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I had a cow share for many years, and now a goat share, I don't want

to double up on shares or join/unjoin. there is usually a waiting list in

my area for most shares.

ie, I like the goat milk (other than not able to get cream) better, and

don't see a " patch " in the 2 month downtime. If that makes any sense?

Leo

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 5:51 PM, <ouched63188@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Have you checked the realmilk.com website for other raw milk farms near

> you?

>

> Al

>

>

> Re: Questions from a newbie

> >>

> >> I don't understand why a lot of people want to stress their grains out

> by

> >> not providing enough food for them. Since kefir consumes the sugar and

> >> lactose in milk as food and usually takes 12-48 hours to ferment, why do

> >> you want to put grains in a jar with a tiny bit of milk for 10x's longer

> >> than it usually takes with a whole lot more milk? What is the point to

> not

> >> providing adequate food and not refrigerating the grains?

> >>

> >> Al

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> > Hi Ana,

> >> >

> >> > Glad to hear things are getting on track. If you don't want to make

> >> kefir

> >> > every day, you can put the grains in a smaller container with milk

> where

> >> > they will have food until you want to make it again. Some people get

> in

> >> a

> >> > rhythm where they make a large batch of kefir and store the grains in

> a

> >> > smaller amount of milk until they are ready to make the next batch.

> This

> >> > method didn't work well for me but for some people it does. I think

> they

> >> do

> >> > adjust to your rhythm.

> >> >

> >> > You could do a two-day ferment if you want, if that works for you.

> >> >

> >> > What I do, is prepare only the amount that I want to drink each day.

> In

> >> my

> >> > case it is 10 oz. of milk and 1 tsp of grains. That 10 oz. is shared

> so

> >> > hubby gets his 1/4 cup shot, the dogs get a teaspoon for the little

> one

> >> and

> >> > two teaspoons for the bigger one, and I get the rest. My son can't

> have

> >> > dairy and my daughter only wants the kefir cheese which I make once

> in a

> >> > while. Here's a video showing my method.

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

You and I do it EXACTLY the same way. I'm not in a rush to grow my grains, they

grow fast enough just tge way we are doing it.

Al

Re: Questions from a newbie

I don't understand why a lot of people want to stress their grains out by not

providing enough food for them. Since kefir consumes the sugar and lactose in

milk as food and usually takes 12-48 hours to ferment, why do you want to put

grains in a jar with a tiny bit of milk for 10x's longer than it usually takes

with a whole lot more milk? What is the point to not providing adequate food and

not refrigerating the grains?

Al

>

> Hi Ana,

>

> Glad to hear things are getting on track. If you don't want to make kefir

> every day, you can put the grains in a smaller container with milk where

> they will have food until you want to make it again. Some people get in a

> rhythm where they make a large batch of kefir and store the grains in a

> smaller amount of milk until they are ready to make the next batch. This

> method didn't work well for me but for some people it does. I think they do

> adjust to your rhythm.

>

> You could do a two-day ferment if you want, if that works for you.

>

> What I do, is prepare only the amount that I want to drink each day. In my

> case it is 10 oz. of milk and 1 tsp of grains. That 10 oz. is shared so

> hubby gets his 1/4 cup shot, the dogs get a teaspoon for the little one and

> two teaspoons for the bigger one, and I get the rest. My son can't have

> dairy and my daughter only wants the kefir cheese which I make once in a

> while. Here's a video showing my method.

>

>

[Guest guest]

My grains are huge! And I think it is because they always have plenty of milk.

Of course it doesn’t hurt that I use raw milk........

A

From: ouched63188@...

Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Questions from a newbie

You and I do it EXACTLY the same way. I'm not in a rush to grow my grains, they

grow fast enough just tge way we are doing it.

Al

Re: Re: Questions from a newbie

I’m with you, Al. I don’t understand it either. If I have too much kefir and

need to take a break I put the regular amount of grains in my regular size jar

and fill with milk just like normal but I put it in the refrigerator for a day

or two and take it out when I’m ready to make more. The grains have plenty to

eat and are ready to ferment when I take the jar out of the refrigerator.

I have read here that some put grains in a tiny jar with a tiny amount of milk

and somehow expect them to grow. They need milk to grow. They need more milk

than they will get in a baby food jar.

A

[Guest guest]

Re: Questions from a newbie

I don't understand why a lot of people want to stress their grains out by not

providing enough food for them. Since kefir consumes the sugar and lactose in

milk as food and usually takes 12-48 hours to ferment, why do you want to put

grains in a jar with a tiny bit of milk for 10x's longer than it usually takes

with a whole lot more milk? What is the point to not providing adequate food and

not refrigerating the grains?

Al

>

> Hi Ana,

>

> Glad to hear things are getting on track. If you don't want to make kefir

> every day, you can put the grains in a smaller container with milk where

> they will have food until you want to make it again. Some people get in a

> rhythm where they make a large batch of kefir and store the grains in a

> smaller amount of milk until they are ready to make the next batch. This

> method didn't work well for me but for some people it does. I think they do

> adjust to your rhythm.

>

> You could do a two-day ferment if you want, if that works for you.

>

> What I do, is prepare only the amount that I want to drink each day. In my

> case it is 10 oz. of milk and 1 tsp of grains. That 10 oz. is shared so

> hubby gets his 1/4 cup shot, the dogs get a teaspoon for the little one and

> two teaspoons for the bigger one, and I get the rest. My son can't have

> dairy and my daughter only wants the kefir cheese which I make once in a

> while. Here's a video showing my method.

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a difference between the amount of milk the grains need to produce

kefir with the taste and consistency we want, and the amount of milk needed by

the grains for life and growth. The acidic environment produced by the grains in

milk is not harmful to them. It is good for them and stimulates growth and

kefiran production.

Do what works for you!

From: ly.ninwv@...

Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 7:46 PM

Good Kefir Grains

Subject: Re: Re: Questions from a newbie

Re: Questions from a newbie

I don't understand why a lot of people want to stress their grains out by not

providing enough food for them. Since kefir consumes the sugar and lactose in

milk as food and usually takes 12-48 hours to ferment, why do you want to put

grains in a jar with a tiny bit of milk for 10x's longer than it usually takes

with a whole lot more milk? What is the point to not providing adequate food and

not refrigerating the grains?

Al

>

> Hi Ana,

>

> Glad to hear things are getting on track. If you don't want to make kefir

> every day, you can put the grains in a smaller container with milk where

> they will have food until you want to make it again. Some people get in a

> rhythm where they make a large batch of kefir and store the grains in a

> smaller amount of milk until they are ready to make the next batch. This

> method didn't work well for me but for some people it does. I think they do

> adjust to your rhythm.

>

> You could do a two-day ferment if you want, if that works for you.

>

> What I do, is prepare only the amount that I want to drink each day. In my

> case it is 10 oz. of milk and 1 tsp of grains. That 10 oz. is shared so

> hubby gets his 1/4 cup shot, the dogs get a teaspoon for the little one and

> two teaspoons for the bigger one, and I get the rest. My son can't have

> dairy and my daughter only wants the kefir cheese which I make once in a

> while. Here's a video showing my method.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>There is a difference between the amount of milk the grains need to produce

kefir with the taste and consistency we want, and the amount of milk needed by

the grains for life and growth. The acidic environment produced by the grains in

milk is not harmful to them. It is good for them and stimulates growth and

kefiran production.<<

I am starting to wonder about this myself. So my qt jar of kefir has shrunk to a

2 cup size and I pour the milk to the top and put the lid on tight. My grains in

this jar are multiplying kurds, and I scoop some out and put it into the

strained kefir, which IS a turnaround of sorts. But the grains in this jar are

not growing biggrt yet, but I have only done it for a day and then I put it into

the fridge because I had to go away. So this is my next experiment.

Lyn

[Guest guest]

Big grains are lovely and fun, aren’t they! I like to keep my working grains

on the small side. As they multiply and grow to more than the amount I need, I

take out the bigger ones and work with the smaller ones. I read that the smaller

grains, because of more surface area, produce the optimal consistency and

flavor. I think it does make a difference but of course that is subjective and

you might prefer the big grain product over the small. We just eat the big

grains.

From: A

Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:50 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Questions from a newbie

My grains are huge! And I think it is because they always have plenty of milk.

Of course it doesn’t hurt that I use raw milk........

A

From: mailto:ouched63188%40mypacks.net

Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 9:39 PM

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Subject: Re: Re: Questions from a newbie

You and I do it EXACTLY the same way. I'm not in a rush to grow my grains, they

grow fast enough just tge way we are doing it.

Al