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> , would it be possible for you to post the article

> about veganism in HTML so that the hyperlinks that are

> included in the article work.

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> Interesting, I hope I can follow up some of the links in it.

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> Thanks

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> Colin

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The arcticle cnbe found here

http://www.mercola.com/article/Diet/former_vegan.htm

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, would it be possible for you to post the article about veganism in HTML so that the hyperlinks that are included in the article work.

Interesting, I hope I can follow up some of the links in it.

Thanks

Colin

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Dear " terebrito@aol " ,

Thank you for that excellent article about Veganism. It's good to see that

some of these experts have a conscience and are willing to set the record

straight.

Sincerely, Natasha (a happy, HEALTHY, carnivore) :-)

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N Pelech wrote:

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> Dear " terebrito@aol " ,

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> Thank you for that excellent article about Veganism. It's good to see that

> some of these experts have a conscience and are willing to set the record

> straight.

>

> Sincerely, Natasha (a happy, HEALTHY, carnivore) :-)

>

It is interesting to note in this article that Chet Day says:

" Philosophically, I continue to believe that a predominantly plant-based

and uncooked diet is the best thing for the long- term health of most

people. Personally, I would estimate somewhere between 5% and 10% of my

current diet also includes animal foods. "

it relating it to the ER4YT diet it would also interesting to know

Chet's blood type. Also does this mean that blood type A's are at risk

from the diet suggest by Dr D'Adamo their diet being basically a vegan

one.

Just some thoughts from a lurker.

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  • 3 years later...

Hello all,

I do not think that I have seen this posted and would appreciate any insight.

I have a patient coming in for pre-surgical assessment who is a vegan. She does not eat any meat, fish, eggs or dairy.

Does anyone have experience with a vegan bariatric patient? I am not sure if she will eat whey supplements as they are from a dairy source. I'm sure that soy is fine for her and she mentioned that she takes spirulena.

I would appreciate any information on products or resources that I could investigate for this patient.

Thank you!

Kay Rutlin, MA, RD, LDN

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Kay,

I think that soy protein powders should be sufficient as a protein supplement. And as she progresses, other soy products (soy yogurt, tofu, etc) can provide a good source of protein. I would request a baseline B12 and Fe prior to surgery though , just to be sure she's not going into this w/ a deficiency.

Sally Hara, MS, RD, CDEPrivate practice

Kirkland, WAsallyhara@...

Re: Vegan

Hello all,

I do not think that I have seen this posted and would appreciate any insight.

I have a patient coming in for pre-surgical assessment who is a vegan. She does not eat any meat, fish, eggs or dairy.

Does anyone have experience with a vegan bariatric patient? I am not sure if she will eat whey supplements as they are from a dairy source. I'm sure that soy is fine for her and she mentioned that she takes spirulena.

I would appreciate any information on products or resources that I could investigate for this patient.

Thank you!

Kay Rutlin, MA, RD, LDN

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I am just starting bariatric counseling with a private doctor. Can someone recommend a source for guidelines, applications, courses, procedures, etc. Help!

t Rodman RD, LD, CFT

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On Behalf Of saleva25

Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006

11:34 PM

Subject:

VEGAN

Hello everybody! I have a vegan patient 430 lb. Would

you please

suggest vegan protein supplements. Thank you!

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An interesting information I came to know is that the earth will need much

lesser acreage of land for food production if we all go vegan. So, I tried it,

eating recipies in which animal meats were substituted with soya meat. Two days

into it I got sick, my sinusitis acted up, I got throat infection, and almost

got flu.

 

Maybe being vegan is not for everyone, like me. Or is there a good process to go

through to successfully become vegan? Are there other substitute to animal meats

other than soya meat? Any advise will be much appreciated.

 

Tony 

From: Nina Moliver <yoganina@...>

Subject: RE: Re: Cholesterol

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 8:32 AM

, I've been on this forum for several years. I just wasn't

contributing recently.

I'll deal with your other points later. Let me just say - veg food is

extremely tasty when it is prepared well. It depends on the chef.

Nina

[coconut_oil_ open_forum] Re: Cholesterol

>

> I also find it very sad that a list dedicated to the virtues of

> Virgin Coconut Oil should be dealing constantly with the issue of

> meat consumption. Coconut is a plant. It grows from the ground. Red

> palm oil comes from a plant. They should sing to the vegetarian way.

How is that better than associating CO with meat eaters? Would you

categorize fish oil the same way?

> I don't understand why they are being constantly confounded with

> meat-eating.

Because every human on the planet has a two sets of meat-cutting

canine cuspids? Not to mention a diet rich in B12 to keep us from

going nuts.

> It's very clear from reading this list that people on this track are

> completely unfamiliar with whole grains and a whole-grain way of

> eating.

What is clear is that reliance on " medical journals " as a knowledge

base and thusly purporting those economically driven agendas as sane

medical advise, is about as productive as being vegetarian.

> If all you are comparing it with is flour products and refined

> foods, no wonder you are attracted to animal products. That makes

> sense.

For someone who has only been in the forum for a week or so, you sure

seem to have a handle on everyone's diet.

The reality is, you have NO idea the collective path of anyone on any

list - let alone this one.

And yes, culinary aspects are important when choosing a healthy diet.

We don't eat what's good for us because it tastes bad.

-vanessa

.... sheesh

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Here in the US, many cows are alloed to roam and eat vegetation from

arid land which is not suitable to grow vegetables or grain.

Running counter to this is cropland which has been converted to grow

plants used to make alcohol for energy production, thus driving up

food cost.

I know there are those who disagree with me, but I do not feel a vegan

lifestyle is all that healthy. If I were to try going vegan I would

avoid soy proteins, and I would continue to eat supplements like

vitamin B-12 and vitamin D which is derived from meat or fish.

As the population grows, as more land is used for bio-fuels, and as

farmland is turned into housing developments, the cost of food goes up

and up. I suspect food costs will continue to increase and going

vegan is not likely to reverse the trend.

Alobar

On 11/25/08, AGPacific Nutriceutical <agnutriceutical@...> wrote:

> An interesting information I came to know is that the earth will need much

lesser acreage of land for food production if we all go vegan. So, I tried it,

eating recipies in which animal meats were substituted with soya meat. Two days

into it I got sick, my sinusitis acted up, I got throat infection, and almost

got flu.

>

> Maybe being vegan is not for everyone, like me. Or is there a good process to

go through to successfully become vegan? Are there other substitute to animal

meats other than soya meat? Any advise will be much appreciated.

>

> Tony

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http://www.vhemt.org/

sol

Alobar wrote:

> As the population grows, as more land is used for bio-fuels, and as

> farmland is turned into housing developments, the cost of food goes up

> and up. I suspect food costs will continue to increase and going

> vegan is not likely to reverse the trend.

>

> Alobar

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To me, voluntary human extinction is a cop out. A way to avoid

responsibility for the mess us humans have made of the earth. I feel

we, as a species, owe it to mother earth to clean up our mess, rather

than simply disappearing. People like Stamets are working to

this end. Given my skill set, I can't help directly, but I can tell

folks about 's work, and possibly obtain some of the products he

is developing to rid old homes of carpenter ants and termites.

Alobar.

On 11/25/08, sol <solbun@...> wrote:

> http://www.vhemt.org/

> sol

>

> Alobar wrote:

> > As the population grows, as more land is used for bio-fuels, and as

> > farmland is turned into housing developments, the cost of food goes up

> > and up. I suspect food costs will continue to increase and going

> > vegan is not likely to reverse the trend.

> >

> > Alobar

> >

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  • 11 months later...

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> I am a vegan and I saw the diet to be on to cure candida. But its difficult

because I don't have many options. Legumes and nuts is one of the foods that I

eat to get my protein. Also how do I keep my blood sugar up if I stay away from

fruits? I know stevia is a substitue for sugar but it doesn't keep it up. I

heard of a diet similar to this on the Jeff McCombs Plan. I would also like to

know if I am taking probiotics is it safe to take garlic also because I am

afraid that garlic also attacks good bacteria in your body.

>

>

+++Hi Clint - Welcome to our group. We've had many vegans join this

group, and the ones who are successful have meats and eggs. See this article on

Myths & Truths About Vegetarianism:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods34.php

Did you know that 58% of protein and 10% of good fats turn into glucose inside

your body, which can easily keep blood sugar levels where they should be.

Fructose in fruits is one of the worst kinds of sugar you can have too - do a

search for fructose on Dr. Mercola's website: www.mercola.com

If garlic attacked good bacteria the Russians and Italians would have been wiped

off the Planet ages ago due to candida/fungal overgrowth!

There are Four Reasons Health Fails:

1. Lack of proper nutrition and oxygen.

2. Accumulation of toxins, poisons, and waste.

3. Lowered vitality due to stress, shock, injury, emotional upsets, relationship

or financial worries and concerns, etc.

4. Nutritional status inherited from your parents upon conception.

Also Candida is only cured by building up the immune system, which is done by -

of course that's true for any health problems:

1) Consuming " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements), which is the same for

all humans.

2) Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer).

3) Eliminating damaging foods.

4) Eliminating toxins in general.

The best in health, Bee

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Thank you Bee for all your kind help! I read in the book " The Yeast Connection "

that for some people it is ok to have legumes and nuts (except peanuts) and

certain kinds of fruits but I am a vegan for spiritual reasons so I am not going

to change that one above anything else! But I will certainly be staying away

from refined sugars, yeast, and mushrooms among other things. There is a website

that might be pretty good called 123candida.com.

Clint -

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