SCD

[Guest guest]

Dear Vilik,

I have the book and followed its recommendations for some months back in

1995. I was not impressed with it. The celiac disease did not markedly

change.

Only when I had Bicom treatments (like Voll) did I get a really noticeable

change for the better.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

SCD

> Dear Friends,

>

> I have stumbled across the most interesting information about

> a diet called the Selective Carbohydrate Diet based on the

> research of Dr. Gottschall. The diet treats not only bowel

> problems but auto-immune diseases. My mind is spinning from

> all the information. If this interests you, here is a bit

> of information and some places to go for more.

>

> ~^^V^^~

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> The SC Diet is detailed in a book entitled " Breaking the Vicious Cycle, "

> by Elaine Gottschall. The diet seems to work for Celiac, IBD and IBS -

> pretty much anyone with bowel problems may benefit. The diet allows a

> wide range of foods. You should be able to get the book from your

> local library.

>

> Here are some websites that cover info on the SCD:

> http://www.scdiet.org

> http://www.scdrecipe.com

> http://www.healingcrow.com

>

> Also, check out the testimonials on amazon.com and bn.com

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like just another name for any of the 'Atkins-like', high protein,

low-carb diets, to me.

> SCD

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> I have stumbled across the most interesting information about

> a diet called the Selective Carbohydrate Diet based on the

> research of Dr. Gottschall. The diet treats not only bowel

> problems but auto-immune diseases. My mind is spinning from

> all the information. If this interests you, here is a bit

> of information and some places to go for more.

>

> ~^^V^^~

[Guest guest]

SCD stands for Strict Carbohydrate Diet and allows NO grains. It does allow

some milk products, but only those that are fermented (regular yogurt

doesn't cut it, you have to ferment your own for at least 24 hours I think.)

What few baked goods are on the diet are made from nut flours, pimarily

almond flour.

Karyn Seroussi and just coordinated an informal study to look at

the GFCF versus SCD diets and its effects on kids. They used a casien free

version of the SCD diet.

Search on the net for " Breaking the Vicious Cycle " and you'll find a

website dedicated to discussions of the diet. There is also a group

for it as well.

cs

[Guest guest]

SCD stands for Strict Carbohydrate Diet and allows NO grains. It does allow

some milk products, but only those that are fermented (regular yogurt

doesn't cut it, you have to ferment your own for at least 24 hours I think.)

What few baked goods are on the diet are made from nut flours, pimarily

almond flour.

Karyn Seroussi and just coordinated an informal study to look at

the GFCF versus SCD diets and its effects on kids. They used a casien free

version of the SCD diet.

Search on the net for " Breaking the Vicious Cycle " and you'll find a

website dedicated to discussions of the diet. There is also a group

for it as well.

cs

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I am gearing up to launch into the SCD again on the advice of Dr Usman. Who is doing it? Is it Sharon...Maybe you could help me...We tried it before and was a bit high especially when eating almond muffins. However, we have NEVER really tackled yeast issues directly (except enzyme usage and probiotics) so I wonder if that was the problem then. We didnt stay on it for long maybe about 3-4 weeks then we started to see Dr Danzcak who advised against it and we decided to see if he could help us.

I would like to bake some bread substitute and try again with the almonds because now takes extra enzymes and maybe we wont have that problem now. I have BTVC and have read that and tried only the recipes from there. I know about pecanbread.com so will check that out again too. Does anyone have a recipe I could try or any advice about starting out?

It would be much appreciated.

Kind Reagrds

Caroline in Aberdeenshire

PS Where do you buy ground nuts from. I have only seen small packs in both Asda and Sainsburys can you get a big load from somewhere if she reacts OK to them this time?? TIA

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline,

Yes we do SCD, the dairy free version (though I am increasingly

thinking of giving goats milk yoghurt a go - coconut milk just

doesn't do it).

Not much of a baker I'm afraid, so you'd be better off checking out

pecanbread site for that. The only baking I do everyday is the

muffins. My kids have these for breakfast. We use almond flour

(organic ground almonds) 2.5kg bags from Infinity Foods, Brighton.

Our local Health Food Store (Food for Thought) orders the bags in for

me and charges £26.50. My hubby (bless him) makes chicken nuggets

and fish fingers coated in almonds for my boy and we freeze them,

also almond pancakes and he also uses almonds as filler in meatballs

and, occasionally when the energy level is up, he will make sausages.

Otherwise its very Atkins ie straight meat and veg, bolognaise (great

for smuggling in extra veggies)and lots of fruit and coconut

milk/honey ice cream (home-made).

Diet is heavy on almonds so I'm lucky he tolerates them well. Not

all do. They are high phenol apparently. Also many children don't

digest them well to start with either.

We HAD been treating for yeast for ages before going SCD. Even then,

Owen had one mother of a die-off reaction, so beware! But the prize

was big improvements in the poo department - much higher percentage

of formed stools and much less foul, a great relief all round. His

BMs were such a state before going SCD it keeps me motivated to

continue. We just couldn't go back to the way it was before.

Hope this helps. I'm sure others will chip in with their own

experiences.

Sharon

(who is still smilling a the thought of Sam chatting away to Mandi

tonight!!

> Hi All,

> I am gearing up to launch into the SCD again on the advice of Dr

Usman. Who

> is doing it? Is it Sharon...Maybe you could help me...We tried it

before and

> was a bit high especially when eating almond muffins.

However, we have

> NEVER really tackled yeast issues directly (except enzyme usage

and

> probiotics) so I wonder if that was the problem then. We didnt

stay on it for long

> maybe about 3-4 weeks then we started to see Dr Danzcak who

advised against it

> and we decided to see if he could help us.

> I would like to bake some bread substitute and try again with the

almonds

> because now takes extra enzymes and maybe we wont have that

problem now.

> I have BTVC and have read that and tried only the recipes from

there. I know

> about pecanbread.com so will check that out again too. Does anyone

have a

> recipe I could try or any advice about starting out?

> It would be much appreciated.

> Kind Reagrds

> Caroline in Aberdeenshire

> PS Where do you buy ground nuts from. I have only seen small packs

in both

> Asda and Sainsburys can you get a big load from somewhere if she

reacts OK to

> them this time?? TIA

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

This seems a tad expensive for almond flour, ours costs £5 per Kg at

a local asian store. There is somewhere else you can buy in bulk (if

you have freezer space) and they deliver, I'll dig it out for you.

It's a company that supplies all the cereal makers, but as a favour

supplies all the scd'ers as well - I got the address from

group 'scduk' a while back.

I also bought some unblanched ground almonds from them at one point

to make almond milk!

Mark

> > Hi All,

> > I am gearing up to launch into the SCD again on the advice of Dr

> Usman. Who

> > is doing it? Is it Sharon...Maybe you could help me...We tried it

> before and

> > was a bit high especially when eating almond muffins.

> However, we have

> > NEVER really tackled yeast issues directly (except enzyme usage

> and

> > probiotics) so I wonder if that was the problem then. We didnt

> stay on it for long

> > maybe about 3-4 weeks then we started to see Dr Danzcak who

> advised against it

> > and we decided to see if he could help us.

> > I would like to bake some bread substitute and try again with the

> almonds

> > because now takes extra enzymes and maybe we wont have

that

> problem now.

> > I have BTVC and have read that and tried only the recipes from

> there. I know

> > about pecanbread.com so will check that out again too. Does

anyone

> have a

> > recipe I could try or any advice about starting out?

> > It would be much appreciated.

> > Kind Reagrds

> > Caroline in Aberdeenshire

> > PS Where do you buy ground nuts from. I have only seen small

packs

> in both

> > Asda and Sainsburys can you get a big load from somewhere if she

> reacts OK to

> > them this time?? TIA

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline,

We also do SCD but I don't use almond flour as even with No Fenol

Joe still reacts. I use cashew nuts which are low in sals. I can't

buy cashew nut flour so I buy the raw nuts and grind them up in the

food processor. It is not as hard as it sounds I am no wonder chef.

It is quite noisy though guaranteed to send Joe running for cover

with his hands over his ears! I think the raw nuts work out about

£10 a kg but you can buy smaller bags in any supermarket. I probably

get through about 250g a day,maybe less.Joe probably eats more nuts

than he should.

I like the cashew nut butter muffins which are made with banana,I

think the recipe is on the pecanbread website, they are really easy

to make and taste really nice, much better than gfcf stuff.I also

make some biscuits using cooked pear and green beans and cashew

nuts,I can give you the recipe if you like but they're not as nice

as the muffins. You could probably make some kind of flat bread

with the recipe though. I don't bother with bread anymore just use

the biscuits instead.

I had already eliminated alot of stuff from Joe's diet before we

started SCD,he never liked potatoes except crisps,so it was really

just corn I had to pull (major withdrawals) so we did it all at once

and did 2 days on the intro diet that pecanbread recomend. After

that we waited a week before introducing nut butters. It was a long

week, trust me, with Joe starving all the time,he would eat a whole

chicken every day, it cst me a fortune! Even now 10 months on I

still grind the cashews into nut butter rather than nut flour. If

you use a food processor it doesn't clog anything up.

Hope this helps,

Good luck

[Guest guest]

It's very important that ground almonds are fresh as the fats will oxidise fast after grinding. Suggest ensuring your supply is very very fresh and that it is then frozen in small batches for use as needed later.

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay

>

> Do you still allow Honey in your diet when treating Yeast or do

you

> cut down the amount in the recipes?

I cut the honey down to an absolute minimum,maybe 1/4 of the recipe

amount,depending on the taste. I haven't made the tomato sauce so

can't help there.

Can

> you just coat chicken pieces with egg and dip in Nut Flour?

Yes, I made some with nut flour mixed with garlic and pepper, they

were really nice, Joe didn't eat them though!

Could

> you just do the same with fish for Fish Fingers?

I guess so.

>

> Also fruit plays a major part in the diet but again with Yeast

> issues do you still just limit it to Pears?

I also give Joe golden delicious apples, and cook with over ripe

bananas and mango. On gfcf he didn't have any fruit at all in the

end, his yeast is no worse now, comes and goes.

I give enzymes as well though, which must help.

> How well do things like the Muffins freeze, as I like to batch

cook

> wherever possible?

>

They freeze fine,

> Can anyone help me by letting me know where they get the dry curd

> cheese from?

>

I don't think you can buy it in the UK. You can make goat yoghurt

and use that as a substitute, I think. If you haven't already, look

at the pecanbread website, the recipes there are more child friendly

than BTVC.

Hope this helps

[Guest guest]

Hi

Many thanks for the info. I have been busy trying some more recipes and

Louis is just gobbling them up!

Still not sure whether to commit totally to SCD or just to use nutflour

wherever I can to try to keep the carbs down in an attempt to keep the yeast

down.

Don't seem to be seeing any improvements re fighting the Yeast, we are in

week 7 of giving Nystatin, and still lots of negatives especially with the

sleeping or the lack of it!

Anyway thanks for your help.

Regards Kay.

> >>

> . If you haven't already, look

> at the pecanbread website, the recipes there are more child friendly

> than BTVC.

>

Will have a look at this tonight, probably not until 10.00 pm as its taking

us that long to get Louis to bed at the moment!

> Hope this helps

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son was a child who crossed over from GF/CF to SCD. I saw gains on GF/CF but

his

clostridia levels went through the roof and that's when I learned that rice

feeds yeast (we

replaced milk with rice milk). That's when I learned the wonders of SCD (minus

IGG food

allergies).

Your children are showing some really nasty fungal and bacterial issues... so

the good

news is that SCD will probably do great things for you. I would also get on an

antifungal

like Diflucan asap.

- Stan

>

> Hi Everyone

> while attending the DAN conference a few weeks back, I realized how much I

need to

clean

> up my children's diet. Getting started with gf/cf about 9 months ago was a lot

of work,

but

> mostly because my children's preschool feeds the children lunch. it took a lot

of time to

> get them on board. They've done a great job with it too. Despite being gf/cf,

I really

have

> been wanting to do more of the Feingold thing - almost there but not quite.

When I

heard

> more about SCD at the conference it really made sense to me, and I definitely

have

already

> implemented components of it by trying to reduce di/polysacharrides. My

children dont

> have serious outward gut issues BUT they do have quite a bit of yeast..My son

has 4+

> Candida Krusei (these were thru Doctors Data) and he also has 3+ Gamma Strep

(will

that

> need to be treated)....My dd has Candida Krusei, Candida Albicans and

Rhototorula sp -

all

> 2+..... She also has Gamma Strep 4+, Haemolytic E Coli - 4+ ,Klebsiella

pneumoniae - 1

+

> (man oh man, how'd she get so overgrown with bad bacteria)...We've eliminated

everything

> that the children were sensitive too on IgG... I was very surprised that my

dd's IgE came

> back with her allergic to 8 out of the 12 items (Alltess) as she never showed

any kind of

> outward signs, altho now looking back I suspect it was the more subtle things

like

> geographic tongue, the red rash around her mouth, etc.. I never made the

connection.

> Anyway, my son is on his first round of ketoconozole...

>

> So my question....Do folks go SCD also as a way to more quickly get the yeast

under

> control? At one point do folks who are gf/cf cross over to SCD? Would love to

hear any

> thoughts

> Leigh

>

[Guest guest]

My son was a child who crossed over from GF/CF to SCD. I saw gains on GF/CF but

his

clostridia levels went through the roof and that's when I learned that rice

feeds yeast (we

replaced milk with rice milk). That's when I learned the wonders of SCD (minus

IGG food

allergies).

Your children are showing some really nasty fungal and bacterial issues... so

the good

news is that SCD will probably do great things for you. I would also get on an

antifungal

like Diflucan asap.

- Stan

>

> Hi Everyone

> while attending the DAN conference a few weeks back, I realized how much I

need to

clean

> up my children's diet. Getting started with gf/cf about 9 months ago was a lot

of work,

but

> mostly because my children's preschool feeds the children lunch. it took a lot

of time to

> get them on board. They've done a great job with it too. Despite being gf/cf,

I really

have

> been wanting to do more of the Feingold thing - almost there but not quite.

When I

heard

> more about SCD at the conference it really made sense to me, and I definitely

have

already

> implemented components of it by trying to reduce di/polysacharrides. My

children dont

> have serious outward gut issues BUT they do have quite a bit of yeast..My son

has 4+

> Candida Krusei (these were thru Doctors Data) and he also has 3+ Gamma Strep

(will

that

> need to be treated)....My dd has Candida Krusei, Candida Albicans and

Rhototorula sp -

all

> 2+..... She also has Gamma Strep 4+, Haemolytic E Coli - 4+ ,Klebsiella

pneumoniae - 1

+

> (man oh man, how'd she get so overgrown with bad bacteria)...We've eliminated

everything

> that the children were sensitive too on IgG... I was very surprised that my

dd's IgE came

> back with her allergic to 8 out of the 12 items (Alltess) as she never showed

any kind of

> outward signs, altho now looking back I suspect it was the more subtle things

like

> geographic tongue, the red rash around her mouth, etc.. I never made the

connection.

> Anyway, my son is on his first round of ketoconozole...

>

> So my question....Do folks go SCD also as a way to more quickly get the yeast

under

> control? At one point do folks who are gf/cf cross over to SCD? Would love to

hear any

> thoughts

> Leigh

>

[Guest guest]

There are so many posts that I can't keep everyone straight. Sorry.

As for responding. If you are doing it on the web use the REPLY option in the upper left corner of the message.

Steph

SCD

to steph -

yes, I mentioned in my first post that SCD is only thing that's helped me. I started that in Nov. 2002. Not sure best way to post to continue a thread. I tried "reply to sender" on your last post re: BTVC and SCD, but it just put your email address in a new email, and didn't think that was right. I'm also a tooth soap user x 6 months

[Guest guest]

What is the difference between the SCD diet and Bee's candida diet?

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

Welcome to Bee's group! Can you tell us your name so we know who we are

responding to?

From what I can tell, the SCD allows many of the foods that feed candida. A big

one that comes to mind is honey! That will feed candida like crazy - yikes!

Besides, sugar, even in very small amounts, can really trigger some people's

sweet tooth, making it even harder to remain on a low carb diet.

The SCD also recommends bad oils which are damaging to the body. Bee recommends

a high fat diet (using good, saturated fats) so the body goes into ketosis. I'm

not sure that the SCD does that.

Bee also recommends important supplements that the body requires for healing. I

can't tell from the SCD website what they recommend, so I can't comment on that.

I guess to get a really in depth answer, you would have to do a content analysis

of both diets. These are just a few things come to mind right now.

Here is a list of the foods allowed on Bee's diet and the supplements list. Her

diet is more restrictive than the SCD, but for good reason.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foodslist.php

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/supp1.php

Hope that answers your question,

>

> What is the difference between the SCD diet and Bee's candida diet?

>