emergency room

[Guest guest]

Makes you wonder how many others lie, too, and it just seems most people

vaccinate. Could it be there are more of us than them??

Winnie

Re: Emergency Room

> Vaccinations

> Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:03 AM

>

> I have 2 kids and we have been to the ER once for each kid in

> the last 2 mo.. Due to a lip injury that needed stiches for my

> daughter and my son fell and hurt his head. I have been a few

> other times for my son. But the lip injury was the 1st time I

> got pestered about not vax. They thought she might need tetnus.

> But she fell and did not touch anything. She bit through her

> wole lip top to bottom. I saw it happen too.

>

> I used to say they are not vaxed but since the whole lip

> thing I now say they have an exemption. They can't turn you

> away. I will not lie b/c it could affect the care they reccieve

> esp. if I go in there w/ a kid w/ spots and I saw they are up to

> date and they really are not and say they do have mumps or

> something.

>

> I work at a children's hosp. At least where I work and take my

> kids they can't turn away care. No hospital can. tey may

> hratenbut stand strog nddoo't let a pushy Dr.push you around.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have thought of saying " Can I ask why--No. " next time....When I was pestered

when my DD busted her lip the Doc did ask why. I told him there was poision in

the vax and he could tell me till he was blue in the face they are safe but I

would not belive him.....

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone that responded. Your answers were very helpful.

Rose

>

> I have thought of saying " Can I ask why--No. " next time....When I was pestered

when my DD busted her lip the Doc did ask why. I told him there was poision in

the vax and he could tell me till he was blue in the face they are safe but I

would not belive him.....

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/3/2009 11:19:14 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

Sassygirl1218@... writes:

> Become confrontational with them in a situation where they have some sort

> of control could certainly end in a phone call to social services.

>

I think there's a lot of truth to what you said, I was an ER nurse for a

long time. Looking at it from the inside out, a huge part of the decision

making process by both ER doctors and nurses is simply to avoid malpractice

lawsuits. It's unfortunate, but a lot of what's done is just to CYA (and,

yes, you'll hear that used among the staff as a reason for doing things).

Also, ER nurses are constantly told that it is our *duty* to observe for and

report anything that could possibly be considered a form of neglect or abuse.

This is a threat not only to your job but your nursing license if you fail

to report something suspicious. And it's the same with doctors. So some ER

staff are behaving the way they do for those reasons. Though some, no

doubt, do have control issues.

Becca

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[Guest guest]

I bet the nurses who pressure parents and ask why one does not vaccinate don't

have a clue what is really in vaccines. They just don't know what they are

talking about but yet try to make parents feel guilty for protecting their

children.

NJ

Re: Emergency Room

Thanks to everyone that responded. Your answers were very helpful.

Rose

>

> I have thought of saying " Can I ask why--No. " next time....When I was pestered

when my DD busted her lip the Doc did ask why. I told him there was poision in

the vax and he could tell me till he was blue in the face they are safe but I

would not belive him.....

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wasn't defending any specific nurse or any specific actions. I was just

trying to provide a little insight on the thought process from the other

side, since I spent a lot of time there. I'm here on a non-vax list just like

you are.

Becca

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the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)

[Guest guest]

Good for you!

Winnie

Re: Emergency Room

Vaccinations

> I have thought of saying " Can I ask why--No. " next time....When

> I was pestered when my DD busted her lip the Doc did ask why. I

> told him there was poision in the vax and he could tell me till

> he was blue in the face they are safe but I would not belive him.....

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would like to speak in defense for the nurses talks about, as I am a

nurse from 30 years ago. We were taught that vaccinations were good and the

right thing to do, we didn't question that at the time and I'm sure they

still teach that. But it is up to the individual nurse to go against the

grain, as I did, and find out the truth. I think nurses are nore open to

the truth about vax, it's just all in the opportunity they have to come to

the truth. But I can say, it can't be shoved down there throat (like door

to door bible thumpers), or presented in a condisending way. More and more

will see the conspiracies in the medical world and it will change, it will

just take time, a few generations or more even, but it will change

Margaret RN

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM, <ruszala4@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I bet the nurses who pressure parents and ask why one does not vaccinate

> don't have a clue what is really in vaccines. They just don't know what they

> are talking about but yet try to make parents feel guilty for protecting

> their children.

>

> NJ

>

> Re: Emergency Room

>

> Thanks to everyone that responded. Your answers were very helpful.

>

> Rose

>

>

>

> >

>

> > I have thought of saying " Can I ask why--No. " next time....When I was

> pestered when my DD busted her lip the Doc did ask why. I told him there was

> poision in the vax and he could tell me till he was blue in the face they

> are safe but I would not belive him.....

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Just talked to a nurse yesterday.

She said they had to take their jabs in nursing school. She been a nurse 5 years

and said nobody pushes it if you don't want it.  Just read 58 percent of doctors

don't take the flu jab.

So the next time a nurse or doctor suggest shots, look them dead in their eyes

and ask, when did you last get yours and may I see the records please.

Jim

________________________________

From: " ruszala4@... " <ruszala4@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 10:13:20 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Emergency Room

I bet the nurses who pressure parents and ask why one does not vaccinate don't

have a clue what is really in vaccines. They just don't know what they are

talking about but yet try to make parents feel guilty for protecting their

children.

NJ

Re: Emergency Room

Thanks to everyone that responded. Your answers were very helpful.

Rose

>

> I have thought of saying " Can I ask why--No. " next time....When I was pestered

when my DD busted her lip the Doc did ask why. I told him there was poision in

the vax and he could tell me till he was blue in the face they are safe but I

would not belive him.....

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, that'll work.

Become confrontational with them in a situation where they have some sort of

control could certainly end in a phone call to social services.

When you answer it should be with an air of confidence and simple. If you feel

your child is " up to date " then tell them that, it will end right there. If you

feel that is lying, then tell them that the decision to vaccinate is between you

and your regular doctor and that is who you trust for regular medical care (even

if you don't).

I would never try to " educate " them, they will end up laughing at you when they

leave your area or think that you are a loon. Doctors don't like anyone trying

to " educate " them on anything health related. Shoot, doctors don't even know

how to do a proper rape kit, and they won't allow the organization that I

volunteer for to teach them what they are doing wrong!

If you say that you don't believe in them, they will hound you. If you say that

you don't feel that they are safe, they will try to make you look stupid by

giving the stats that they feel are accurate. They will give you " facts " and

say things like, " Vaccines have not been shown to cause autism. " " The number of

children who have reactions is so minimal. " " More children died from (insert

fear inducing disease here) than from any vaccine. " " Vaccines have erradicated

such and such disease, do you want your child to contract that? " And so on.

If you are there for an emergency, you don't have much of a choice, they will

most likely call the police if you try to leave with a sick/hurt child because

you don't like the way you were treated. I even take the prescriptions and

don't fill them if I don't feel that my child needs it, just so that they think

that I am the good little mother who will follow his/hers instructions.

---- Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote:

=============

Just talked to a nurse yesterday.

She said they had to take their jabs in nursing school. She been a nurse 5 years

and said nobody pushes it if you don't want it.  Just read 58 percent of

doctors don't take the flu jab.

So the next time a nurse or doctor suggest shots, look them dead in their eyes

and ask, when did you last get yours and may I see the records please.

Jim

________________________________

From: " ruszala4@... " <ruszala4@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 10:13:20 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Emergency Room

I bet the nurses who pressure parents and ask why one does not vaccinate don't

have a clue what is really in vaccines. They just don't know what they are

talking about but yet try to make parents feel guilty for protecting their

children.

NJ

Re: Emergency Room

Thanks to everyone that responded. Your answers were very helpful.

Rose

>

> I have thought of saying " Can I ask why--No. " next time....When I was pestered

when my DD busted her lip the Doc did ask why. I told him there was poision in

the vax and he could tell me till he was blue in the face they are safe but I

would not belive him.....

>

>

[Guest guest]

No problem, , I understand the frustration. There are no doubt plenty

of bad apples in the medical profession - but I do think lawyers have

contributed to the problem with the threat of a malpractice suit constantly

looming, esp. in an ER setting.

Becca

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[Guest guest]

I love that, Jim. Next time I'm asked I'm going to turn it around on

them like that!

For the record, I have been in and out of the ER a LOT with my

one-year-old in the last few months and I haven't once been pressured

or bullied about vaccinations. They ask if he's up to date, I say " We

don't do those " in a tone like they're nuts for even asking, they note

it in the file and that's the end of it. The last visit the nurse

pulled up my son's computer file, said " You're still exempting from

vaccination, right? " I said, " Yes " and that was the end of it. In

fact, one of the pulmonary ped specialists my son had to see in the

hospital was grateful I hadn't vaxed because he said that would open a

whole other can of worms and they'd likely be dealing with something

even worse than we already are! So these docs know! THEY ALL KNOW

the vaccines are poison.

I don't like having to be involved in the allopathic realm at all, but

if I am forced to because of emergency and/or crisis, I much prefer

dealing with ER's because they people are used to seeing trauma. They

are there to save lives, not lecture us on our daily " wellness " care,

which the allopathic community has NOT A CLUE about. The ER is the

way to go if you need an allopath, IMO. I'm not saying I haven't had

bad experiences, because the last visit was a NIGHTMARE, but not

because of the vaccine issue... it was because the nurse was ignorant

and a control freak. I finally got in her face and said " I'm the

Mommy, I'M the boss... back off! " Literally... that's what I said to

her. It was either that or punch her lights out, which would have

been my next couse of action.

So anyway, don't let not vaxing keep you from going to the ER if you

need to. It's there for a reason.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Jim O<jimokelly@...> wrote:

>

>

> Just talked to a nurse yesterday.

> She said they had to take their jabs in nursing school. She been a nurse 5

> years and said nobody pushes it if you don't want it.  Just read 58 percent

> of doctors don't take the flu jab.

>

> So the next time a nurse or doctor suggest shots, look them dead in their

> eyes and ask, when did you last get yours and may I see the records please.

>

> Jim

[Guest guest]

Yeah, well the nurse I had to back down came in an physically put her

finger on my breast and delatched my son while he was nursing and told

me I was NOT allowed to nurse him at all, even though he was in a

complete state of panic and that was the only thing that would calm

him and bring his heart rate out of the 240 range. He wasn't really

nursing and getting milk, he was just holding my breast in his mouth

for comfort. I told the ER doc what she did and the doc told me I

should file a complaint on the nurse because she was COMPLETELY in the

wrong and had no good reason for doing that... and then told me to

nurse him as much as he wanted. The nurse kept saying she didn't want

him to nurse because he might throw up (he's not an urpy baby but she

didn't know that). Hello??? I'll take a little vomit on me any day of

the week over a baby that can't breath and is about to have a heart

attack because he's in shear panic. She also refused to let the ped

nurse help her start the IV and she missed... I had to tell her that

if she missed again the ped nurse WAS going to start the IV... PERIOD!

She took her time and got it right the second time. She was a real

witch! After she delatched my son, he's start whailing at the top of

his lungs and his heart rate would spike really high every time she

stepped over the threshold. She had to check on us from the hall to

keep him calm... how is that effective nursing or keeping your license

protected? It's not.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM, <moftap@...> wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 7/3/2009 11:19:14 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

>

> Sassygirl1218@... writes:

> This is a threat not only to your job but your nursing license if you fail

> to report something suspicious. And it's the same with doctors. So some ER

> staff are behaving the way they do for those reasons. Though some, no

> doubt, do have control issues.

[Guest guest]

No guts no glory.

I have taken cps on and won.

When you know what your talking about and a little law there is no fight.

For 30 plus years I have talked to many parents who learned the law and decided

not to vax. Then they said oh we don't tell anyone about it, we just keep quiet

and go about our merry way.

Maybe that's why were in the fight were in now..

I never said to try to educate an allopath, I just said when they bring it  up

(you or your child to get vaxed )  ask them when they got there last shot and to

show you the record.

If a patient(customer) feels they can't ask question's then the problem is not

with the doctor its with the patient.(customer) Why would anyone do business

with someone they don't trust?

Anyway maybe you misunderstood my message. I said the nurses don't have to take

the jabs once they are in the profession a while. I have had other nurses  say

to me there is no way they are taking this shot or that shot.

If you don't think you have a choice, then you haven't studied the law or your

rights.

I would and have suggested a copy of " The patients rights  by J. s.

You will be amazed at how the walls of medical bull shit come tumbling down.

Jim

 

________________________________

From: Sara <Sassygirl1218@...>

Vaccinations

Cc: Jim O <jimokelly@...>

Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 1:18:40 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Emergency Room

Oh yeah, that'll work.

Become confrontational with them in a situation where they have some sort of

control could certainly end in a phone call to social services.

When you answer it should be with an air of confidence and simple. If you feel

your child is " up to date " then tell them that, it will end right there. If you

feel that is lying, then tell them that the decision to vaccinate is between you

and your regular doctor and that is who you trust for regular medical care (even

if you don't).

I would never try to " educate " them, they will end up laughing at you when they

leave your area or think that you are a loon. Doctors don't like anyone trying

to " educate " them on anything health related. Shoot, doctors don't even know how

to do a proper rape kit, and they won't allow the organization that I volunteer

for to teach them what they are doing wrong!

If you say that you don't believe in them, they will hound you. If you say that

you don't feel that they are safe, they will try to make you look stupid by

giving the stats that they feel are accurate. They will give you " facts " and say

things like, " Vaccines have not been shown to cause autism. " " The number of

children who have reactions is so minimal. " " More children died from (insert

fear inducing disease here) than from any vaccine. " " Vaccines have erradicated

such and such disease, do you want your child to contract that? " And so on.

If you are there for an emergency, you don't have much of a choice, they will

most likely call the police if you try to leave with a sick/hurt child because

you don't like the way you were treated. I even take the prescriptions and don't

fill them if I don't feel that my child needs it, just so that they think that I

am the good little mother who will follow his/hers instructions.

---- Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote:

============ =

Just talked to a nurse yesterday.

She said they had to take their jabs in nursing school. She been a nurse 5 years

and said nobody pushes it if you don't want it.  Just read 58 percent of doctors

don't take the flu jab.

So the next time a nurse or doctor suggest shots, look them dead in their eyes

and ask, when did you last get yours and may I see the records please.

Jim

____________ _________ _________ __

From: " ruszala4aol (DOT) com " <ruszala4aol (DOT) com>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 10:13:20 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Emergency Room

I bet the nurses who pressure parents and ask why one does not vaccinate don't

have a clue what is really in vaccines. They just don't know what they are

talking about but yet try to make parents feel guilty for protecting their

children.

NJ

Re: Emergency Room

Thanks to everyone that responded. Your answers were very helpful.

Rose

>

> I have thought of saying " Can I ask why--No. " next time....When I was pestered

when my DD busted her lip the Doc did ask why. I told him there was poision in

the vax and he could tell me till he was blue in the face they are safe but I

would not belive him.....

>

>

[Guest guest]

My kind of girl.

________________________________

From: Roberg <trinnea@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 1:25:18 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Emergency Room

I love that, Jim. Next time I'm asked I'm going to turn it around on

them like that!

For the record, I have been in and out of the ER a LOT with my

one-year-old in the last few months and I haven't once been pressured

or bullied about vaccinations. They ask if he's up to date, I say " We

don't do those " in a tone like they're nuts for even asking, they note

it in the file and that's the end of it. The last visit the nurse

pulled up my son's computer file, said " You're still exempting from

vaccination, right? " I said, " Yes " and that was the end of it. In

fact, one of the pulmonary ped specialists my son had to see in the

hospital was grateful I hadn't vaxed because he said that would open a

whole other can of worms and they'd likely be dealing with something

even worse than we already are! So these docs know! THEY ALL KNOW

the vaccines are poison.

I don't like having to be involved in the allopathic realm at all, but

if I am forced to because of emergency and/or crisis, I much prefer

dealing with ER's because they people are used to seeing trauma. They

are there to save lives, not lecture us on our daily " wellness " care,

which the allopathic community has NOT A CLUE about. The ER is the

way to go if you need an allopath, IMO. I'm not saying I haven't had

bad experiences, because the last visit was a NIGHTMARE, but not

because of the vaccine issue... it was because the nurse was ignorant

and a control freak. I finally got in her face and said " I'm the

Mommy, I'M the boss... back off! " Literally... that's what I said to

her. It was either that or punch her lights out, which would have

been my next couse of action.

So anyway, don't let not vaxing keep you from going to the ER if you

need to. It's there for a reason.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Jim O<jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>

> Just talked to a nurse yesterday.

> She said they had to take their jabs in nursing school. She been a nurse 5

> years and said nobody pushes it if you don't want it.  Just read 58 percent

> of doctors don't take the flu jab.

>

> So the next time a nurse or doctor suggest shots, look them dead in their

> eyes and ask, when did you last get yours and may I see the records please.

>

> Jim

[Guest guest]

If you want to take about the attitude of the medical profession , Let's talk.

Before they KILLED   my daughter in the hospital, I was the advocate and NOBODY

did anything without consulting me first. I knew the law and the laws of health

and the allopathic insanity of thinking poisopn heals the human body.

Then they got tired of me calling the shots and that it was going to change, and

the head administrator told me the hospital lawyer was considering charging me

with practicing medicine without a license. I laugh in her lying face.

Then they gave her drugs that they knew would knock out her kidneys and gave

those drugs in overdose AFTER my daughter told them three times in front of 9

witnesses she didn't want them. I have the proof.

My last meeting with the ethics committee which was a joke, had one medical

staffer follow me out and said, I know this isn't comforting to you now, but if

i am ever in a hospital I hope to have some one like you on my side.

It is your child, your body, not theirs.

Jim

________________________________

From: Roberg <trinnea@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 2:01:08 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Emergency Room

Yeah, well the nurse I had to back down came in an physically put her

finger on my breast and delatched my son while he was nursing and told

me I was NOT allowed to nurse him at all, even though he was in a

complete state of panic and that was the only thing that would calm

him and bring his heart rate out of the 240 range. He wasn't really

nursing and getting milk, he was just holding my breast in his mouth

for comfort. I told the ER doc what she did and the doc told me I

should file a complaint on the nurse because she was COMPLETELY in the

wrong and had no good reason for doing that... and then told me to

nurse him as much as he wanted. The nurse kept saying she didn't want

him to nurse because he might throw up (he's not an urpy baby but she

didn't know that). Hello??? I'll take a little vomit on me any day of

the week over a baby that can't breath and is about to have a heart

attack because he's in shear panic. She also refused to let the ped

nurse help her start the IV and she missed... I had to tell her that

if she missed again the ped nurse WAS going to start the IV.... PERIOD!

She took her time and got it right the second time. She was a real

witch! After she delatched my son, he's start whailing at the top of

his lungs and his heart rate would spike really high every time she

stepped over the threshold. She had to check on us from the hall to

keep him calm... how is that effective nursing or keeping your license

protected? It's not.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM, <moftap@...> wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 7/3/2009 11:19:14 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

>

> Sassygirl1218@ charter.net writes:

> This is a threat not only to your job but your nursing license if you fail

> to report something suspicious. And it's the same with doctors. So some ER

> staff are behaving the way they do for those reasons. Though some, no

> doubt, do have control issues.

[Guest guest]

Oh, I understand that, and certainly wasn't upset with you for your

post... but I do still fume every time I think about how that nurse

treated my baby, who was at her mercy, turning blue and couldn't

breathe! We're all entitled to a bad day, but we don't take out our

bad days on sick babies.

I happen to be a little more " in your face " than a lot of people

though, and I find myself more and more " Type A " every day when it

comes to the health, safety and wellbeing of my baby. I tend to stand

up and get in people's faces rather than back down about bow out...

for those who aren't as fiesty as me, I don't recommend standing up

and being " in your face " at all. We all have different strengths and

should use our own strengths in this vaccine fight... if you are

better at killing them with kindness or taking the low road and just

making sure your family is safe and protected, then by all means do

that... if you have the warrior gene in you, stand up and get loud!

It's gonna take all of us with all our various strengths to win this

war.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:18 PM, <moftap@...> wrote:

>

>

> I wasn't defending any specific nurse or any specific actions. I was just

> trying to provide a little insight on the thought process from the other

> side, since I spent a lot of time there. I'm here on a non-vax list just

> like

> you are.

>

> Becca

[Guest guest]

Well, the original point of my post was to let others know NOT to be

afraid of taking your child or yourself to the ER if you need to,

because I've never had vaccines be an issue there... but you do still

have to watch over your loved ones like a hawk so that you don't end

up getting a bunch of unneeded protocol. For instance, they wanted to

give my baby Tylenol, but he didn't have a fever (and I wouldn't have

allowed it even for fever) and he wasn't in PAIN, he just couldn't

breathe. Tylenol doesn't help one breathe, it just would have made

the nurse feel better that she was " giving him something " .

You know how the old saying goes... " If we didn't have lawyers, we

wouldn't need lawyers! "

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:18 PM, <moftap@...> wrote:

>

>

> No problem, , I understand the frustration. There are no doubt plenty

> of bad apples in the medical profession - but I do think lawyers have

> contributed to the problem with the threat of a malpractice suit constantly

> looming, esp. in an ER setting.

>

> Becca

[Guest guest]

Oh, you were quite restrained. I'm sure I'd have pinched her witchy finger until

she begged me to let go.

Winnie

Re: Re: Emergency Room

Vaccinations

> Yeah, well the nurse I had to back down came in an physically

> put her

> finger on my breast and delatched my son while he was nursing

> and told

> me I was NOT allowed to nurse him at all, even though he was in a

> complete state of panic and that was the only thing that would calm

> him and bring his heart rate out of the 240 range. He wasn't really

> nursing and getting milk, he was just holding my breast in his mouth

> for comfort. I told the ER doc what she did and the doc told me I

> should file a complaint on the nurse because she was COMPLETELY

> in the

> wrong and had no good reason for doing that... and then told me to

> nurse him as much as he wanted. The nurse kept saying she

> didn't want

> him to nurse because he might throw up (he's not an urpy baby

> but she

> didn't know that). Hello??? I'll take a little vomit on me any

> day of

> the week over a baby that can't breath and is about to have a heart

> attack because he's in shear panic. She also refused to let the ped

> nurse help her start the IV and she missed... I had to tell her that

> if she missed again the ped nurse WAS going to start the IV... PERIOD!

> She took her time and got it right the second time. She was a real

> witch! After she delatched my son, he's start whailing at the

> top of

> his lungs and his heart rate would spike really high every time she

> stepped over the threshold. She had to check on us from the

> hall to

> keep him calm... how is that effective nursing or keeping your license

> protected? It's not.

>

[Guest guest]

My little ones are under two, so I just say " we're not vaccinating until he/she

is two. " That seems to satisfy them because no one has ever questioned that.

Once they get to be two, I'll say three, and so on. :-)

Elissa

>

> the few times we've gone to the ER, they've asked us " have they had all the

> necessary vaccinations? "

>

> to which i have simply answered " yes " !!!

>

> (because i do not believe ANY are necessary and it shuts them up and

> keeps them happy)

>

> a

[Guest guest]

Bee,

I went to the emergency room last night due to rapid heart beat. Here are my

thoughts about why: I'm pretty sure it had to do with gas. It was really wierd,

at one point I almost passed out. Last night I did eat two or three smores, but

I highly doubt it was sugar intake. Only because last weekend I went camping and

had more smores than I wanted. (I cheated a bit ...) I recently started taking

natural factors hydrochloric acid two days ago. I only took one pill the one day

and then yesterday I took one after breakfast and two after dinner. Do you think

that would have anything to do with it? I was consuming sauerkraut for about a

month then stopped for a little then I took the hydrocholoric acid for two days.

Maybe that created the gas in my system. The doctors were trying to tell me I

had an anxiety attack, but I'm a really calm person all the time. Also, ever

since I've been back from Costa Rica my bowel movements have not been consistent

so that's another reason why I think it had to do with gas. My parents are

trying to tell me that it's all the supplements I'm taking. Should I intake less

for a little while. I've been doing well on the diet since May 29th. I've had a

about a 10 day period of cheating in Costa Rica just because it was a once in a

lifetime experience and a couple other days where I've had a few things here and

there. I apologize for the length of this message, I just needed to be a little

detailed so you knew what was going on.

Thank you so much,

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee, I went to the emergency room last night due to rapid heart beat. Here are

my thoughts about why: I'm pretty sure it had to do with gas. It was really

wierd, at one point I almost passed out. Last night I did eat two or three

smores, but I highly doubt it was sugar intake. Only because last weekend I went

camping and had more smores than I wanted. (I cheated a bit ...)

+++Hi Jeff. You wouldn't have rapid heart beat because of gas (which is in the

stomach or intestines. The Smores definitely caused your high heart rate.

+++You cheated more " than a bit " last weekend and last night!

I recently started taking natural factors hydrochloric acid two days ago. I only

took one pill the one day and then yesterday I took one after breakfast and two

after dinner. Do you think that would have anything to do with it?

+++No, that would not have caused rapid heart rate.

I was consuming sauerkraut for about a month then stopped for a little then I

took the hydrocholoric acid for two days. Maybe that created the gas in my

system.

+++If you had gas in your system it was caused by eating Smores/sugar which fed

the candida so it was overgrowing like mad, which in turn produced carbon

dioxide (gas).

The doctors were trying to tell me I had an anxiety attack, but I'm a really

calm person all the time. Also, ever since I've been back from Costa Rica my

bowel movements have not been consistent so that's another reason why I think it

had to do with gas. My parents are trying to tell me that it's all the

supplements I'm taking. Should I intake less for a little while. I've been doing

well on the diet since May 29th.

+++None of the supplements recommended cause anyone health problems, so please

don't point to them as the cause. Members of this group are taking all of the

supplements along with the diet and they are having great successes.

+++Smores/sugar caused your reactions!!

I've had a about a 10 day period of cheating in Costa Rica just because it was a

once in a lifetime experience and a couple other days where I've had a few

things here and there. I apologize for the length of this message, I just needed

to be a little detailed so you knew what was going on.

+++Since you just got back from 10 days of cheating it will take time for you

get back on track, but you can't be eating Smores and expect to do okay.

Bee