emergency room

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In a message dated 3/20/2007 9:18:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

howelleli@... writes:

Do you lie and say they are vaxed?

I (thank God) have not had to go to the emergency room w/ (12mos). If

I did, I think I would lie and say she is up to date. Just like when she was

born, I would NEVER leave her alone w/any hospital personnel.

Holly

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About 6 months ago I had to take my 3-year-old unvaxed daughter to the emergency

room when she fell and we thought her arm was broken. Turned out to be a bad

sprain. Anyway, the subject of vaccines never came up. We were instructed to

follow up with our family physician, and that was that.

howelleli <howelleli@...> wrote:

Has anyone had any emergency room visits for your non vaxed children?

I

worry about that. What do you say? Do you lie and say they are vaxed?

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If they ask, I always say that they are " up to date " . It isn't a lie, because in

my mind, they are up to date.

Sara

---- howelleli <howelleli@...> wrote:

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Has anyone had any emergency room visits for your non vaxed children? I

worry about that. What do you say? Do you lie and say they are vaxed?

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I have four children. None of them are vaccinated. I

have been to the ER only with my youngest. Each time

I have taken him in for any one of his mishaps, I have

been accused of doing the damage to him. Honest. He

is now 15, and he was mugged recently while taking a

Sunday Afternoon jog, and when I took him to the ER

because he was all beaten up and bruised and sore, the

doctor and nurse kept separating us and asking what

happened.

For this reason, I always say he is " up-to-date "

because otherwise I would have only one more problem

to deal with.

For the record, I am five feet tall, 120 pounds and I

am 53 years old. Why anyone would suspect I would

injure my child the way he has accidentally done all

by himself is beyond me.

--- Sassygirl1218@... wrote:

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> If they ask, I always say that they are " up to

> date " . It isn't a lie, because in my mind, they are

> up to date.

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> Sara

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> Has anyone had any emergency room visits for your

> non vaxed children? I

> worry about that. What do you say? Do you lie and

> say they are vaxed?

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When I am asked if they have all their vaccinations I just say yes(the

unspoken text is-yes they have had all the vaccinations they need which is

to say none:) The area I live in is very quick to call social services if

you haven't vaxed exactly on their schedule. One woman I know was reported

for not vaxing when she had explained she and her doctor had worked out a

slow vax schedule giving the shots one at a time due to her sons ill health,

she basically gave them too much info-the correct answer to the question is

: yes they are appropriately vaxed-because you as the parent get to decide

what that means-fully vaxed, non-vaxed or selectively vaxed. If the symptoms

they are seeing suggest tetnus or deptheria, have then test for it. As far

as I know those are the only vax diseases with an antitoxin, and vaccination

immunity fails all the time, your child's vaccination status is irrelevant

to treatment.

Cat

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>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Emergency room

>Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:16:47 -0000

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>Has anyone had any emergency room visits for your non vaxed children? I

>worry about that. What do you say? Do you lie and say they are vaxed?

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At 01:16 AM 3/21/2007 -0000, you wrote:

>Has anyone had any emergency room visits for your non vaxed children? I

>worry about that. What do you say? Do you lie and say they are vaxed?

Just say they are up to date

PERIOD

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I have had an ER visit with my 1 year old son. I simply tell them I chose

not to vax. When they argue, I tell them they are infringing on my rights of

religion and the ability to be a parent. If they do not stop I will make an IG

complaint about them. (We are military, so filing a complaint IG is a big

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I have been to the ER twice with my ds. He is 2. He has had stitches

two times. Both times, I told the truth. When asked I said " We do not

vaccinate. " I was far from being confidant about saying this but I had

called my ped the first time on the way top the ER panicking. I was

worried what to say. She said " tell the truth, it's not against the law

not to vaccinate. " All the ER doc had to say was " well then I guess I

can't talk you into a tetanus then. " He laughed! I am in Ga by the way

if that makes a difference.

I have been wondering this question though. If it's not against the

law, what can they do to us? I mean, everytime I am put into the

position of having to tell someone we don't vaccinate, I get scraed.

Sandy

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I'm with you, Sandy. I live in NY and we told the truth at Stony Brook

University Hospital ER too. I suppose if you have a blemished record or your

children are accident prone you might be suspect and CPS could be called. I feel

bad that so many are scared by this situation. God forbid you don't tell the

truth and an investigation does take place. Your credability is shot. What

then?...Anita

Sandy Redding <srr1933@...> wrote: I have been to the ER twice with my

ds. He is 2. He has had stitches

two times. Both times, I told the truth. When asked I said " We do not

vaccinate. " I was far from being confidant about saying this but I had

called my ped the first time on the way top the ER panicking. I was

worried what to say. She said " tell the truth, it's not against the law

not to vaccinate. " All the ER doc had to say was " well then I guess I

can't talk you into a tetanus then. " He laughed! I am in Ga by the way

if that makes a difference.

I have been wondering this question though. If it's not against the

law, what can they do to us? I mean, everytime I am put into the

position of having to tell someone we don't vaccinate, I get scraed.

Sandy

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Technically I don't think an ER can force you to do anything against your

wishes unless it is literally a life-or-death emergency involving a child (as

an adult you can refuse even if it is life-or-death).

That doesn't mean they won't try to intimidate you into it or threaten you

with reporting to CPS, etc.

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I took my son to the ER a couple of months ago, they asked about vaccination

status and I told them he had none.

THe doc seemed a little annoyed and told me that now they'd have to take MORE

blood to test for Mumps - idiot!

Other than that they didn't pester me.

I'm in a state with only Medical or Religious exemptions.

Chelly

Vaccinations

From: hellofrompgh@...

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 02:14:34 +0000

Subject: Emergency Room

Hello All,

When I interviewed doctors for my daughter, I was repeatedly

told that my daughter would not be accepted as a patient

if she was not vaccinated.

So far we have been to the ER once, and they asked if she was

up to date on her shots. I lied and said YES because I was

afraid they would refuse to treat her or insist on giving her

vaccinations before doing an x-ray for a possible broken bone.

So my question is this: can an ER refuse to treat you if you

do not have your vaccinations? can they insist on vaccinating

you right on the spot?

Thanks,

Rose

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no they cannot. I had my non vaccinated 2 yr old in the ER  AND a direct admit.

Once for Rotovirus and once because he passed out and went limp. Both times they

asked if he was up to date and I said nope..not a one. The triage nurse said

really snotty ...Can I ask Why? and I told her no...I have my reasons and that

was it...period. 

From: hellofrompgh <hellofrompgh@...>

Subject: Emergency Room

Vaccinations

Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 2:14 AM

Hello All,

When I interviewed doctors for my daughter, I was repeatedly

told that my daughter would not be accepted as a patient

if she was not vaccinated.

So far we have been to the ER once, and they asked if she was

up to date on her shots. I lied and said YES because I was

afraid they would refuse to treat her or insist on giving her

vaccinations before doing an x-ray for a possible broken bone.

So my question is this: can an ER refuse to treat you if you

do not have your vaccinations? can they insist on vaccinating

you right on the spot?

Thanks,

Rose

[Guest guest]

I don't think they can refuse you but if there is some as#@*^ there that might

make your life miserable and call social services or some stupid thing. I

always say yes, and let it go at that, because as far as I am concerned they ARE

up to date on their vaccinations. I have heard stories of kids taken away

because of some nutcase hotlining people because the kids were not vaccinated.

Western NY

Emergency Room

Hello All,

When I interviewed doctors for my daughter, I was repeatedly

told that my daughter would not be accepted as a patient

if she was not vaccinated.

So far we have been to the ER once, and they asked if she was

up to date on her shots. I lied and said YES because I was

afraid they would refuse to treat her or insist on giving her

vaccinations before doing an x-ray for a possible broken bone.

So my question is this: can an ER refuse to treat you if you

do not have your vaccinations? can they insist on vaccinating

you right on the spot?

Thanks,

Rose

[Guest guest]

Hello Rose,

When we go to an after hours dr or ER we almost shout at them, NO VACCINES/ABX,

and we write it all over their forms.

We used to go in very upbeat with the children and that rubbed off on them. One

time I arrived at the hospital before my DS arrived in the ambulance. DH had

called me asking me to meet them at the hospital. I was scared, but I strolled

in to see DS when he arrived and said, " I've warned you about chasing cars. Now

look what's happened! "   A wan grin, then a strangled giggle.

From then on he was OK while recalling the antics of a dog on our street that

used to chase cars.

We only go to the ER for trauma, never illness, as we know we will not want to

do their drug treatments. They are too darned handy with that diphtheria/tetanus

jab and I have even been offered it for torn ligaments. I was also offered anti

inflams and painkillers!!! I only went in to find out if my fingers were broken.

Next day we go to a homoeopath to help clear the local anaesthetic out if

necessary, as it is toxic too, and can hang around in the joints for months, and

we fruit & veg juice fast to help detox. The children never asked for

painkillers. Before I knew better, I would have got analgesics had they asked,

but the Ledum, Symphytum, Arnica, Rescue Remedy, Apis and Hypericum have been so

helpful, they were never needed.

Mara

Hello All,

When I interviewed doctors for my daughter, I was repeatedly

told that my daughter would not be accepted as a patient

if she was not vaccinated.

So far we have been to the ER once, and they asked if she was

up to date on her shots. I lied and said YES because I was

afraid they would refuse to treat her or insist on giving her

vaccinations before doing an x-ray for a possible broken bone.

So my question is this: can an ER refuse to treat you if you

do not have your vaccinations? can they insist on vaccinating

you right on the spot?

Thanks,

Rose

[Guest guest]

Love that response! Will have to remember that one.

NJ

Emergency Room

Vaccinations

Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 2:14 AM

Hello All,

When I interviewed doctors for my daughter, I was repeatedly

told that my daughter would not be accepted as a patient

if she was not vaccinated.

So far we have been to the ER once, and they asked if she was

up to date on her shots. I lied and said YES because I was

afraid they would refuse to treat her or insist on giving her

vaccinations before doing an x-ray for a possible broken bone.

So my question is this: can an ER refuse to treat you if you

do not have your vaccinations? can they insist on vaccinating

you right on the spot?

Thanks,

Rose

[Guest guest]

I've never had any problem in Milwaukee. I've been to the ER at least four

times for my girls and once for me. When asked I just say " we don't

vaccinate " . I've never had a problem. Even though doctors and nurses don't

agree, I think most are more comfortable with people who choose NOT to

vaccinate vs. families that just have bothered to vaccinate. Maybe I've

just been lucky but I do live in a state where philosophical exemption is

available so ...

L.

Emergency Room

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> Hello All,

>

> When I interviewed doctors for my daughter, I was repeatedly

> told that my daughter would not be accepted as a patient

> if she was not vaccinated.

>

> So far we have been to the ER once, and they asked if she was

> up to date on her shots. I lied and said YES because I was

> afraid they would refuse to treat her or insist on giving her

> vaccinations before doing an x-ray for a possible broken bone.

>

> So my question is this: can an ER refuse to treat you if you

> do not have your vaccinations? can they insist on vaccinating

> you right on the spot?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rose

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[Guest guest]

I have 2 kids and we have been to the ER once for each kid in the last 2 mo. Due

to a lip injury that needed stiches for my daughter and my son fell and hurt his

head. I have been a few other times for my son. But the lip injury was the 1st

time I got pestered about not vax. They thought she might need tetnus. But she

fell and did not touch anything. She bit through her wole lip top to bottom. I

saw it happen too.

 

I  used to say they are not vaxed but since the whole lip thing I now say they

have an exemption. They can't turn you away. I will not lie b/c it could affect

the care they reccieve esp. if I go in there w/ a kid w/ spots and I saw they

are up to date and they really are not and say they do have mumps or something.

 

I work at a children's hosp. At least where I work and take my kids they can't

turn away care. No hospital can. tey may hratenbut stand strog nddoo't let a

pushy Dr.push you around.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I wouldn't lie either, but not for that reason. It won't matter, as vaccines

don't prevent disease.  No doubt working at a childrens' hospital, you will have

come across angry parents who had their babies vaccinated, yet the children

still got the disease against which they were supposed to be immune. Sometimes

though, the parents don't know that their child has caught a so-called vaccine

" preventable " disease, as the staff call it by a different name to hide the fact

- eg., polio/meningitis.

Mara

From: Jon & <jonandmelissacox@...>

Subject: Re: Emergency Room

Vaccinations

Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:03 AM

I have 2 kids and we have been to the ER once for each kid in the last 2 mo..

Due to a lip injury that needed stiches for my daughter and my son fell and hurt

his head. I have been a few other times for my son. But the lip injury was the

1st time I got pestered about not vax. They thought she might need tetnus. But

she fell and did not touch anything. She bit through her wole lip top to

bottom. I saw it happen too.

 

I  used to say they are not vaxed but since the whole lip thing I now say they

have an exemption. They can't turn you away. I will not lie b/c it could affect

the care they reccieve esp. if I go in there w/ a kid w/ spots and I saw they

are up to date and they really are not and say they do have mumps or something.

 

I work at a children's hosp. At least where I work and take my kids they can't

turn away care. No hospital can. tey may hratenbut stand strog nddoo't let a

pushy Dr.push you around.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I lie because we live in a VERY close minded area, where there are people

reported for non vaccing.

Most of the people that get the chicken pox are ones that were vaccinated. My

sons got it from kid at school and then spread it to others that were

vaccinated, school nurse told me this.

And, " they " lie to us, they say vaccines are safe, so I lie to them....

Western NY

Re: Emergency Room

Vaccinations

Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:03 AM

I have 2 kids and we have been to the ER once for each kid in the last 2 mo..

Due to a lip injury that needed stiches for my daughter and my son fell and hurt

his head. I have been a few other times for my son. But the lip injury was the

1st time I got pestered about not vax. They thought she might need tetnus. But

she fell and did not touch anything. She bit through her wole lip top to bottom.

I saw it happen too.

I used to say they are not vaxed but since the whole lip thing I now say they

have an exemption. They can't turn you away. I will not lie b/c it could affect

the care they reccieve esp. if I go in there w/ a kid w/ spots and I saw they

are up to date and they really are not and say they do have mumps or something.

I work at a children's hosp. At least where I work and take my kids they can't

turn away care. No hospital can. tey may hratenbut stand strog nddoo't let a

pushy Dr.push you around.

[Guest guest]

With four kids (along with us aging parents!) we are at the ER several times a

year. Never had a problem. When asked, I just say " oh, we don't do those. " As

time has gone by, I usually add something about them being poison.

Winnie

Emergency Room

Vaccinations

> Hello All,

>

> When I interviewed doctors for my daughter, I was repeatedly

> told that my daughter would not be accepted as a patient

> if she was not vaccinated.

>

> So far we have been to the ER once, and they asked if she was

> up to date on her shots. I lied and said YES because I was

> afraid they would refuse to treat her or insist on giving her

> vaccinations before doing an x-ray for a possible broken bone.

>

> So my question is this: can an ER refuse to treat you if you

> do not have your vaccinations? can they insist on vaccinating

> you right on the spot?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rose

>

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't lied and it hasn't been a problem. We live in NY state.

Bronwyn

[Guest guest]

I don't necessarily lie, but I don't tell them the truth that they are asking

for. When they ask if my kids are up to date with their vaccines, I always tell

them " yes " . Hey, in my head, they are as up to date as they will ever be.

I talked to our doctor about it beforehand and she to go ahead and say that, she

said that it does not affect how your child is treated and can save you lots of

grief. Our old chiropractors, they were a couple, took their son in to the ER.

The hospital staff took them into a seperate room to try to convince them to

vaccinate. It delays their son's treatment, he was getting stitches and caused

them extra stress.

I try to avoid that at all costs.

Sara

---- Petric <bluheron@...> wrote:

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I lie because we live in a VERY close minded area, where there are people

reported for non vaccing.

Most of the people that get the chicken pox are ones that were vaccinated. My

sons got it from kid at school and then spread it to others that were

vaccinated, school nurse told me this.

And, " they " lie to us, they say vaccines are safe, so I lie to them....

Western NY

Re: Emergency Room

Vaccinations

Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 4:03 AM

I have 2 kids and we have been to the ER once for each kid in the last 2 mo..

Due to a lip injury that needed stiches for my daughter and my son fell and hurt

his head. I have been a few other times for my son. But the lip injury was the

1st time I got pestered about not vax. They thought she might need tetnus. But

she fell and did not touch anything. She bit through her wole lip top to bottom.

I saw it happen too.

I used to say they are not vaxed but since the whole lip thing I now say they

have an exemption. They can't turn you away. I will not lie b/c it could affect

the care they reccieve esp. if I go in there w/ a kid w/ spots and I saw they

are up to date and they really are not and say they do have mumps or something.

I work at a children's hosp. At least where I work and take my kids they can't

turn away care. No hospital can. tey may hratenbut stand strog nddoo't let a

pushy Dr.push you around.

[Guest guest]

the few times we've gone to the ER, they've asked us " have they had all the

necessary vaccinations? "

to which i have simply answered " yes " !!!

(because i do not believe ANY are necessary and it shuts them up and

keeps them happy)

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" Can I ask why--No. "

Haha, I love it.

Winnie

Emergency Room

> Vaccinations

> Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 2:14 AM

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> Hello All,

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> When I interviewed doctors for my daughter, I was repeatedly

> told that my daughter would not be accepted as a patient

> if she was not vaccinated.

>

> So far we have been to the ER once, and they asked if she was

> up to date on her shots. I lied and said YES because I was

> afraid they would refuse to treat her or insist on giving her

> vaccinations before doing an x-ray for a possible broken bone.

>

> So my question is this: can an ER refuse to treat you if you

> do not have your vaccinations? can they insist on vaccinating

> you right on the spot?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rose

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[Guest guest]

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> > So my question is this: can an ER refuse to treat you if you

> do not have your vaccinations? can they insist on vaccinating

> you right on the spot?

>

> Thanks,

>

No they can not!!!

This is America after all. They can't refuse care to unvaccinated person. It's

your choice to get or not get vaccines! I've been to ER with my son once, and I

proudly satted that we chose not to vaccinate my son.

Katarina