The truth

[Guest guest]

That's the spirit !!!

You just keep thinking this ~ and it will become a reality!

Hugs,

The Avenging Angel

Joyful Inspirations wrote:

“All truth passes

through three stages: First it is Ridiculed. Second, it is Violently Opposed.

Third, it is Accepted as being Self-Evident.”

- Arthur Schopenhauer (1778-1860) Well,

I have been through the ridiculed and am now facing the violently opposed

but it will become self-evident to all of them. Joy

[Guest guest]

I agree homesexuality isn't the problem and homesexuals aren't the only who

engage in anal and oral sex. Isn't there a higher population of straight

people with aids and less for homosexuals?

[Guest guest]

You have some good points, but leave " homosexual " out of it. Last I checked, we

all have assholes and I use mine. Sorry if that's TFI, everybody. However,

we're

bathing in evil buggies every day. I agree that we need to be clean, however,

animals

and people have been doing this since the beginning. Unless someone is very

susceptible,

I doubt anal sex in moderation is something to really worry about. But it isn't

homosexuality that's the problem. Caer

The Truth

When homosexuals engage in anal sex, anilingus and fellatio, they are

eating and literally bathing in e. coli and other death-dealing

microorganisms. To suppose one can heal from AIDS while continuing to

engage in homosexual sex is foolhardy in the extreme.

Take it or leave it. It is the truth. Period.

Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

Anal sex and rimming would be more accurate descriptions. There is an issue

that more women engage in anal sex than men ...

Kev

The Truth

> When homosexuals engage in anal sex, anilingus and fellatio, they are

> eating and literally bathing in e. coli and other death-dealing

> microorganisms. To suppose one can heal from AIDS while continuing to

> engage in homosexual sex is foolhardy in the extreme.

>

> Take it or leave it. It is the truth. Period.

>

>

>

>

> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

interesting anecdote:

I read that women are 10 times more likely to contract HIV through anal sex than

through vaginal sex.

I can only imagine that there are many people out there who would gladly have

anal sex without a condom, reasoning that it isn't possible to get pregnant that

way.

The Truth

> When homosexuals engage in anal sex, anilingus and fellatio, they are

> eating and literally bathing in e. coli and other death-dealing

> microorganisms. To suppose one can heal from AIDS while continuing to

> engage in homosexual sex is foolhardy in the extreme.

>

> Take it or leave it. It is the truth. Period.

>

>

>

>

> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

Of course! Half the planet is made up of women. That's a substantially higher

number of those than active homosexual men. Very logical. Caer

[Guest guest]

> I agree homesexuality isn't the problem and homesexuals aren't the

only who

> engage in anal and oral sex. Isn't there a higher population of

straight

> people with aids and less for homosexuals?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carolina, i just love that we have so many international people here!

even in this fairly-small group, when compared to the huge groups with

thousands of people. When Dan started this group and asked me to take

part, I don't think we ever envisioned more than 1200 people -it's

very rewarding, so thanks to all of you for wanting to be here.

We're pretty much known for the " truth " , even if it's not " politically

correct " , " nice " or " what people want to hear " . Although I can't speak

for Dan, I believe we both feel that we've all been pretty much making

excuses and covering up and defending poor choices the the past - and

that obviously didn't work or we would not have gotten so fat, or would

not be having most of the band troubles we get into. For me, I found

that certain words were " red-flag " words that I was making excuses.

Words like:

" BUT " (But, " I CAN " T exercise, I have bad knees " ) Ok, so what about

your arms? What about water areobics?

" NEVER " (I NEVER eat veggies.. " ) WEll, you need to. There are surely

some you will like with a nice lowfat butter or cheese sauce..

" ALWAYS: (I ALWAYS eat chips in front of the TV " ) Well, you'll need to

change this if you want to lose. And get out more - don't even BE in

front of the TV..

" CAN'T " - (I CAN'T get to the doc this week, even if I've been

vomitting 10x a day for 2 weeks) Well, you really must. The Band's

needs have to be a big priority.

You get the idea...

So, facing the TRUTH as best we know and have learned, is the only

solution, even if it makes us uncomfortable to hear, and raises issues

we'd rather not face. No sugar-coating on this site, although we try to

be as gentle as possible.

SAndy R

---

In , " Carolina " <yoquieroadelgazar@...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sandy thank you for telling me the straight truth, I know that

> vomiting is bad but sometimes it is easier just to think it is part

of

> my new banded life. I am always going back to the rules but sometimes

> I slip .

> I am from Chile I was banded there, but currently live in Dominican

> Republic.

> kisses

> Carolina

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolina,

read your post. I am originally from Argentina but lots of years here in

California. I was banded by Dr. Kuri,

I had problem with vomits before, and sometime once a months, it appens when

I eat too fast or I am too stress out and no pay attention or if I ate enough

and id not listen to my " solf point " then I PB ( productive burp , burb with

food and not air). Most of the ime I burp air and that is a good singn that

foodis going in.

Keep in touch.

Lidia

4/20/06

225/203/150

Carolina <yoquieroadelgazar@...> wrote:

Dear Sandy thank you for telling me the straight truth, I know that

vomiting is bad but sometimes it is easier just to think it is part of

my new banded life. I am always going back to the rules but sometimes

I slip .

I am from Chile I was banded there, but currently live in Dominican

Republic.

kisses

Carolina

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[Guest guest]

Hi concerned, I got banded by dr. A almost a year ago (banderversary

oct. 6th), and I have lost 92 lbs, and a total of 112 lbs since right

before surgery. So, I am living proof that the band does work! It is

not a cure all, and it is not a " the easy road " . But the band is a God

send of a tool to help those of us who cannot do this on our own. Most

of us who resort to the band or other weight loss surgerys have tried

everything in the book and are tired of failing. So, the band offers

us the help that we need to get those pounds off and get healthy. IT

is totally normal to be nervous right before surgery. But if you have

done your research, and decided this is the best thing for you, then be

encouraged that it does work! We all have plateaus, and may gain a few

pounds here and there, but the scale does continue to go in the right

direction. :-) and honestly and I believe that DR. A, Dr. C and Nina

will back me on this, if a person is banded and not loosing the weight

they are lying that they are doing everything they are supposed to!

Either they do not have the proper restriction or they are eating way

to many calories. Some people have serious " food addictions " and like

other addictions will be in denial about why they will not loose

weight. Some people do loose slower than others. that depends on how

you use your tool and how your body wants to drop the pounds. Most

people loose an average of 2 lbs a week. That average is pretty

accurate too, because if I was banded 12 months ago and I have lost 92,

that is pretty close to the average of 2 lbs a week. because that is 8

lbs a month X's 12, so I am only like 4 lbs away from that average.

So, coming from a bandster that is a year out, it works!!! :-)

Anything you do is just a tool, the rest will be up to you! You can do

this!!! and your life will change in ways you never imagined. :-)

I hope this is encouraging to you. You will love Dr. A and his staff!

they are the best!!!

take care,

dob 10/6/06

(342) 322/230/160

>

> I am a little scared about the operacion. The more I read, the more

> worried I become. Some of you have said that you have gained weight

> instead of lost and that you have gone by the rules, is this true?

How

> many of you can honestly state that you have done exactly what the

> doctor has told you to do and have not lost even one pound? Because I

> think that if you follow the rules you will lose weight, right!

>

[Guest guest]

...

Be sure and note if someone is on the post op diet vs. a band with restriction. People do sometimes gain a few pounds on the post op diet but they don't have a fill in their band and they aren't able to USE their band yet. The post op diet isn't designed for weight loss, it's designed for healing.

252/150/150

Banded 12/06

At goal in 10 months!!!

On 10/4/07, <claudia-estrada@...> wrote:

I am a little scared about the operacion. The more I read, the more worried I become. Some of you have said that you have gained weight instead of lost and that you have gone by the rules, is this true? How

many of you can honestly state that you have done exactly what the doctor has told you to do and have not lost even one pound? Because I think that if you follow the rules you will lose weight, right!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Do not be afraid of the surgery. I had a huge hiatal hernia fixed at the same time as the band was put on, and I think for me it was not bad at all. I am six days after the surgery, still on clear liquids. Have not weighed my self yet ( I do not have a scale in SF, where I now live), but just looking at my thighs and belly, they look smaller. I have been wearing pants with loose waistbands for comfort of my incisions, so I cannot tell if my waist is smaller or not. It is easier to get up for me than before and have more energy. You may not do as well as I did, because I have a very high pain tolerance. I took Tylenol the first day back at work, last Tuesday, but nothing since. My incisions look good, no redness or puffiness. That is the result of good surgical procedures practiced by our red-cheeked Dr. A and his team.

You'll do fine,

Margaret

On 10/4/07, <claudia-estrada@...> wrote:

I am a little scared about the operacion. The more I read, the more worried I become. Some of you have said that you have gained weight instead of lost and that you have gone by the rules, is this true? How

many of you can honestly state that you have done exactly what the doctor has told you to do and have not lost even one pound? Because I think that if you follow the rules you will lose weight, right!

[Guest guest]

I was banded on 9/15/07 and am almost 3 weeks out. I have followed the rules until today when I ate Chicken Dumpling soup and had 2 or 3 small chunks of chicken in it. I have lost 15 pounds since surgery and have not been able to exercise except for walking around the house and office. I have terrible back problems and cannot walk much. I do walk in a pool and swim some. I am waiting a few more days until there is no sight of even the least little scab on my incision before I get in the water. I am anxious to do that to see how it helps.

I am concerned about beginning to eat mushy food and then real food. Before the fill, I don't know if I will be able to stop. I have always cleaned my plate and have gone for second helpings. I even had a second helping of soup today! I am still keeping my calorie intake below 800.

I have tried to have at least 60 grams of protein, but am having trouble getting 64 oz of water down. Need to keep working on that.Don;t worry about all you read on the message boards. I felt the same way when I read everything before my surgery. All has turned out well. I think you must insist to yourself that you are going to follow the diet exactly after the surgery. When I read about people eating french fries 2 weeks after surgery, I wonder " what are they thinking?! Why go to the expense and pain and not follow the rules?

I am sure you will do fine.you may email me at skromines@...or call me at 806-787-0442 if you have questions or need to talk,sk

On 10/4/07, <claudia-estrada@...> wrote:

I am a little scared about the operacion. The more I read, the more

worried I become. Some of you have said that you have gained weight

instead of lost and that you have gone by the rules, is this true? How

many of you can honestly state that you have done exactly what the

doctor has told you to do and have not lost even one pound? Because I

think that if you follow the rules you will lose weight, right!

[Guest guest]

Congrats Bipley!!!!At goal!!!!!!10 months!!!AWESOME

Kira

---- Bipley <Bipley@...> wrote:

> ...

>

> Be sure and note if someone is on the post op diet vs. a band with

> restriction. People do sometimes gain a few pounds on the post op diet but

> they don't have a fill in their band and they aren't able to USE their band

> yet. The post op diet isn't designed for weight loss, it's designed for

> healing.

>

> 252/150/150

> Banded 12/06

> At goal in 10 months!!!

>

>

> On 10/4/07, <claudia-estrada@...> wrote:

> >

> > I am a little scared about the operacion. The more I read, the more

> > worried I become. Some of you have said that you have gained weight

> > instead of lost and that you have gone by the rules, is this true? How

> > many of you can honestly state that you have done exactly what the

> > doctor has told you to do and have not lost even one pound? Because I

> > think that if you follow the rules you will lose weight, right!

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

I am probably the culprit that posted the fact that I had gained 4

lbs since the surgery. I am sincerely sorry for that post, I was

knocked down by a fellow bandster and it really hurt because I had

met her in person and she said I admited to " forgeting " to walk. I

NEVER said that! I admitted that I didn't walk because I had had 2

lower back surgeries and it was very painful to walk.

I just adjusted my schedule a bit and walk right after my pain meds

kick in so it doesn't hurt as much.

That post was made the morning after no night of sleep whatsoever. I

was tired, low and exhausted. I practically got out of bed crying

then got on the scale, I went into self-pity overdrive.

Bipley, bless her heart, reassured me that this was not the time

loose weight, but to heal. She is a very wize person and you can

read her posts all over these pages...she is an RN and had the band

put in last December. She has just recently reached her goal!!!!

I have since lost that 4 lbs and am down a total of 7.5 from the date

of surgery. What I'm afraid of is actually having to eat real

food. Come this coming Monday ( a week from today) I am scheduled to

go on the 3 meals with solids. It was so easy just to have liquids,

no choices, not much cooking. I have had absolutely no appetite

whatsoever.

Again, I am truly sorry if I scared you, it will be the best decision

of your life and Dr. Aceve's team will take great care of you!!! Let

us know how it goes....Jeanie

> >

> > I am a little scared about the operacion. The more I read, the

more

> > worried I become. Some of you have said that you have gained

weight

> > instead of lost and that you have gone by the rules, is this

true? How

> > many of you can honestly state that you have done exactly what the

> > doctor has told you to do and have not lost even one pound?

Because I

> > think that if you follow the rules you will lose weight, right!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jeanie, please dont beat yourself up over that post. shoot I have

gained and lost the same 4 lbs in this past month so many times I

Thought that stupid scale would never move! but eventually it

does. :-) sometimes we gain water weight, or are just bloated. LIke

today I feel so bloated. My tummy even feels big. I think it is

because I have had to much salt the past few days. salt really seems

to do a number on me. so take the wonderful advice of bipley and

just heal. :-) and do not stress over walking alot if you were just

banded. I didnt really get into working out hard until recently.

because once you have lost most your weight, it then becomes a true

struggle. for me it has been like a fight to get every single pound

off at this stage! But I have lost almost 100 lbs and 120 lbs

total. we all have our good and bad days. and if you cant be honest

here, then where the heck can you be? we are here to support each

other through good and bad times!! :-)

take care,

hugs,

> > >

> > > I am a little scared about the operacion. The more I read,

the

> more

> > > worried I become. Some of you have said that you have gained

> weight

> > > instead of lost and that you have gone by the rules, is this

> true? How

> > > many of you can honestly state that you have done exactly what

the

> > > doctor has told you to do and have not lost even one pound?

> Because I

> > > think that if you follow the rules you will lose weight, right!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Don't worry, I can imagine that you felt bad after having gained

weight(beause weren't we suppose to lose weight not gain?). I am

just a little scared about the whole procedure and scared that I

might not lose anything. I did not want to make anyone feel bad. So

my appologies to you if I did. I just wanted to know the truth. You

know it is hard taking this step and imagining that you might not

lose those pounds that you are or have been struggling with all you

life. It is even harder when you have your own family members

putting you down and telling you that you will fail.

Once again my appologies to you and I wish you the best of luck!

Sincerly,

Estrada

> > >

> > > I am a little scared about the operacion. The more I read,

the

> more

> > > worried I become. Some of you have said that you have gained

> weight

> > > instead of lost and that you have gone by the rules, is this

> true? How

> > > many of you can honestly state that you have done exactly what

the

> > > doctor has told you to do and have not lost even one pound?

> Because I

> > > think that if you follow the rules you will lose weight, right!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I have finally decided that I should tell you all the truth about myself. Some

people are probably wondering where I had gone too ( specially thank you

for the email about your concern for my health problems and my studies...don't

worry I don't think that it is at all creepy...its very sweet and I too wonder

how you are doing and how everything is going with your son and your studies).

Like it has been said by some people I did seem and was indeed very determined

about this diet at the beginning and if everything had gone according to plan I

would probably have been half way through curing my candida. However things

didn't at all go like that, almost everything that could have gone wrong did go

wrong.

Right from the beginning I had huge financial problems. I am a full time student

who doesn't work or earn a cent. I have been looking for a job but it is so hard

to get one as a student because no one wants to hire for short hours. So

basically I am dependent on my parents for my livihood and that is why, even

though I am twenty, I sort of need their permission to do many things.

However having said this, even though my parents know about me having candida I

didn't really direct my parents to Bee's website and indicate to them all the

protocols that I was planning to implement in order to cure my candida; I know

that a lot of people would be thinking I am sure that they will understand and

that I should probably really try to talk to them, but the thing is they are

just to set in their old ways. They have way too much (albeit undeserved)

reverence towards doctors to pay heed to anything that Bee's website recommends.

The thing is that I wanted to purchase all of the supplements and follow all of

the diet protocols and lifestyle changes without my parent's financial support.

And I thought that I could do this because I had several hopes of money coming

my way from various sources. All of these hopes fell through and so for the last

8 months I have just been consumed with trying to acquire money...that is all

that was on my mind. Basically I haven't purchased any of the supplements or

implemented many of the lifestyle or dietary protocols(except for eliminating

all of the bad foods) simply because I didn't have the money to do so. It got

to the point where I became severely depressed and frustrated because I was

stagnant in a predicament that I knew wasn't fair; I neglected everything, my

academics, my social life and mental stability (and I am sure that having

candida wasn't helping with this)...everything was going wrong. I eventually

realised that I needed to talk to someone professional about my predicament when

I almost failed my exams. I went to see the university councillor and explained

to her the whole situation. She referred me to Centerlink seeing my financial

troubles and now I am getting youth allowance. This is a huge burden of my

shoulders and now I can finally start curing myself and be on the path to better

health. I just wanted to share my happy news with everyone and thank Bee and

everyone else who has helped me from the bottom of my heart.

lvu,

Nithya

[Guest guest]

Since I have the time right now before my company gets here I'll take the

precious time to address your bullshit once again.  When I came into this group

I was lost, I was scared and I had full faith in the system.  I was an advocate

for HIV, I trusted the researchers, I hoped for a cure, I trusted the

medications and the doctors.  I did ARV's for 6 miserable long months and

although I looked good in paper (High T-cells and undetecable viral load) I felt

like shit.  I fatigued all day, I had diarrhea, nausea, nightmares, etc.  I

came here looking for a cure and encouraged others to get together and

brainstorm remedies that were out in the market, I did the Hydrogen Peroxide

therapy and Immusist, another member named Hugo did his own thing and so did

other members.  When I left the meds and got better I was thinking my T-cells

were going to go up and my viral load was going to stay undetectable, but when

my CD4 stayed at 198 and my viral load went

up a little I began to questions things and thats when I started reading

disclaimers and getting educated on this whole HIV issue.  Now I am no longer

scared, I am in control, I feel cured because once you realize there is NO TEST

IN THE WORLD SPECIFIC TO THE HIV VIRUS, (something you refuse to acknowledge )

you come to realize that you never test positive for a virus to begin with, you

only tested REACTIVE for an ANTI-BODY.  If you were so dedicated to exploding

this HIV nonsense like you are exploding me then you would realize that all this

is a fraud!  I don't' encourage people to get tested like I used to because of

how unreliable these tests are, I do encourage everybody who tested HIV+ to test

again  to they can see they're no longer reactive and to see for themselves how

much of a scam HIV is.  Did you not see House of Numbers and realize how each

manufacturer designs each HIV test differently?  I want you DOUG to show me AN

ACCURATE TEST

that truly confirms the pressence of the HIV virus, not a viral load test, not

an ANTi-BODY TEST and ACTUAL VIRUS HARMING, HEALTHY CELL EATING HIV test that

will shut me up, as well as shut up experts like Deusberg, Joan Shenton,

Crowe and ever Luc Montangier WHO DISCOVERED HIV!!  But no you're not

listening to the actual man that discovered HIV in France you're listening to a

Nurse from the 1980's who's the " expert " in all this.  Doug you are dangerous

to the group, you spread your nonsense and incompetent ways to others around

you, you can go around quoting me all you want on other posts but my knowledge

on this issue changes the more I get educated on this and the more I hear people

take control of their lives, but you, you're not in control, you rely on those

medications that give you neuropathy and vital organ complications.  You're

just a poor unfortunate soul that wants others to share your same fate and

misery.  I'll admit my

advise and my way of thinking has changed, and your advise never changes

because you have believed this nonsense all your life, your whole life you have

been let to believe what science can still not prove.  You're stuck in hole and

you're only sinking.  Go ahead and blame this ghost virus all you want.  Until

you demand your blood to be examined by high scientific technology to confirm

it's presence and not rely on and antibody test that can yield a positive

response for 70 known reasons then you have no business to be spreading your

shit all over this group.  I pray you find the solution and listen to the right

people.  I used to fight with Ed on this group and he even left!  Now I

realize he was right all long.  He might have had a different way of

communicating his message which led to my frustration in my mission to find a

cure but he was right.  He has rubbed elbows with peter deusberg, he was

featured in Maggories book and he

was diagnosed in the late 80's and refused medications and he's as healthy as

can be.  There's nothing to cure when there's no proof in the pie that the

monster in indeed in there.   And with that I leave you, my friends are here

time go enjoy my weekend and party!!! Don't want to end up a pathetic miserable

old man like you.!

UN  BESITO!!!

DonJ

From: Doug <dougman1@...>

Subject: The truth

cures for AIDS

Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 5:31 PM

 

Donnie says: once you test positive and you can never take an HIV test

again is just

insane! I have tested over and over and I'm negative, i believe everybody

should do the same.

Mr. immature illiterate bad mouth Donnie is now negitive. That is not what he

indicated before or has lead us to believe. All of his advice and treatments are

second hand because they do not apply to hm. I bet he doesn't even take them,

why would he he is negitive. He does NOT have this virus. No wonder his advice

is so ignorant. BEWARE of anything Donnie tells you. I post this so you all know

the truth.

[Guest guest]

My CD4 have been under 200 for almost 5 years without meds and I am very

healthy. Even my doctor tells me that my blood work is remarkable except for CD4

and vl.

Sent from my iPhone

[Guest guest]

you're not going to find it in google this is mentioned in Deusbergs work

and in the work of another researcher I will post a link where he briefly talks

about his findings when I get home, I'm at work right now.

From: Happytype <happytype@...>

Subject: Re: The truth

" cures for AIDS " <cures for AIDS >

Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 5:57 AM

 

Please show us the studies of non HIV athletes with CD4 under 200.

Sent from my iPhone