Black eyes

[Guest guest]

Margaret;

My son is 17mths. old and he also has dark circle under his eyes. We

do not do dairy either. I have a 14 yr. old who also always had dark

circles too. They seem to run in my family myself and brother and

sister. I'm very fare skinned and also have alot of environmental

allergies. Don't know if it is related.

I would love to get to the bottom of it. My son bumped his forehead

the other day and the black and blue mark on his head does not look

as bad as underneath his eyes.

[Guest guest]

This is awful to say but I am glad to hear someone else is wondering too.

I have done all I know. Maybe your right.. she is very fair skinned and we

are very olive. She is our only blonde. I just worry is all... maybe

there's something I'm missing.

Margaret White

[Guest guest]

I don't know if I have mentioned this to this group, but if your child has

allergies, one incredibly non-invasive approach, using an oriental medicine

technique, is NAET. Their website is: www.naet.com

I highly recommend that anyone with, or concerned they may have, allergies

look into this. This technique, using oriental medicine and applied

kinesiology (muscle testing to determine allergies) has even cured children

of allergies which had caused anaphylactic shock.

I myself have been cured of very serious allergies using this approach.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

At 10:37 AM 11/15/00 -0500, you wrote:

>I was wondering if anyone could tell me if they know why a healthy, well

>rested child would continuously have dark circles under her eyes? I have

>read a lot and I know it is not from dairy products... we don't do milk or

>dairy, she doesn't eat too much sugar, eats rather well and she doesn't

>have any allergies that I KNOW of.

>

>Margaret White

The dark circles are often allergy related. It can be difficult to

determine a food allergy. I have some odd food allergies. I actually have

a wheat allergy, but due to all my other allergies, if I avoid wheat as

well, I pretty much can't eat anything except meat. And not even

interesting, just cooked. So I live with the headaches and other problems

that my wheat allergy causes because I'd rather not starve or go on an only

meat diet. You may want to remove things you don't think are causing an

allergy in a systematic way and see after about a week off the item, if her

eyes improve. Does she have any other signs of allergies or problems?

Another thought is a possible iron deficiency. Low iron makes a person

pale. My daughter is already fair, and then with the added paleness of low

iron, any bruise or mark on her skin looks just awful. Not within the

range of normal at all. I fear someone may think I beat her because of the

usual bumps and bruises a 15 month old gets magnified by her fairness can

get to looking pretty severe.

These are just some thoughts. I'm not a medical person at all, just my own

personal experience and some avenues you may wish to explore.

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Do you think vitamins are enough? I give her vitamins along with

nutritious meals. She doesn't tend to bruise easily but when she does get

one they are ugly. I can try the elimination process. Any suggestions

about the order of elimination? Thank you

Margaret White

Adrienne

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Subject: Re: black

eyes

11/15/2000

12:34 PM

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At 10:37 AM 11/15/00 -0500, you wrote:

>I was wondering if anyone could tell me if they know why a healthy, well

>rested child would continuously have dark circles under her eyes? I have

>read a lot and I know it is not from dairy products... we don't do milk or

>dairy, she doesn't eat too much sugar, eats rather well and she doesn't

>have any allergies that I KNOW of.

>

>Margaret White

The dark circles are often allergy related. It can be difficult to

determine a food allergy. I have some odd food allergies. I actually have

a wheat allergy, but due to all my other allergies, if I avoid wheat as

well, I pretty much can't eat anything except meat. And not even

interesting, just cooked. So I live with the headaches and other problems

that my wheat allergy causes because I'd rather not starve or go on an only

meat diet. You may want to remove things you don't think are causing an

allergy in a systematic way and see after about a week off the item, if her

eyes improve. Does she have any other signs of allergies or problems?

Another thought is a possible iron deficiency. Low iron makes a person

pale. My daughter is already fair, and then with the added paleness of low

iron, any bruise or mark on her skin looks just awful. Not within the

range of normal at all. I fear someone may think I beat her because of the

usual bumps and bruises a 15 month old gets magnified by her fairness can

get to looking pretty severe.

These are just some thoughts. I'm not a medical person at all, just my own

personal experience and some avenues you may wish to explore.

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

At 01:53 PM 11/15/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Do you think vitamins are enough? I give her vitamins along with

>nutritious meals. She doesn't tend to bruise easily but when she does get

>one they are ugly. I can try the elimination process. Any suggestions

>about the order of elimination? Thank you

>Margaret White

Like I said, I'm not medically trained. I just know what I've gone through

myself and with my daughter. For the iron deficiency, only a blood test

will give definite results and there are various treatments. We give

nn as much iron is possible in her diet. This can be difficult when

she eats as a normal toddler does. Supplements were not helping much

because we could not get her to take them. We have her on a vitamin

supplement with iron, and her last blood tests were getting back to the

normal range. This has helped us, but there are a lot of ways to be sure

your child is getting enough iron.

As for allergies, from a book called Complete Self-Care Guide to Holistic

Medicine: Treating Our Most Common Ailments the most likely offenders of

food allergies are cow's milk, wheat, sugar, corn, eggs, nuts, chocolate,

citrus, soy, yeast, and additives. I have known allergies to 5 of those,

plus shellfish and mushrooms. You might want to start with removing the

most likelies. That book also suggested: " The 5 Day Allergy Relief System "

by Mandel, Allergies and the Hyperactive Child by Rapp, No More Allergies

by Null, Allergies and Your Family by Rapp, An Alternative Approach to

Allergies by Randolph, and Detecting Your Hidden Allergies by Crook. I

haven't had a chance to read any of these, so I can't say which ones are

better.

HTH

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your help. I think I will start with citrus.... didn't think

of this. She tends to eat a lot of citric foods and drink.

Margaret White

Adrienne

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Subject: Re: black

eyes

11/15/2000

02:20 PM

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respond to

Vaccinations

At 01:53 PM 11/15/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Do you think vitamins are enough? I give her vitamins along with

>nutritious meals. She doesn't tend to bruise easily but when she does get

>one they are ugly. I can try the elimination process. Any suggestions

>about the order of elimination? Thank you

>Margaret White

Like I said, I'm not medically trained. I just know what I've gone through

myself and with my daughter. For the iron deficiency, only a blood test

will give definite results and there are various treatments. We give

nn as much iron is possible in her diet. This can be difficult when

she eats as a normal toddler does. Supplements were not helping much

because we could not get her to take them. We have her on a vitamin

supplement with iron, and her last blood tests were getting back to the

normal range. This has helped us, but there are a lot of ways to be sure

your child is getting enough iron.

As for allergies, from a book called Complete Self-Care Guide to Holistic

Medicine: Treating Our Most Common Ailments the most likely offenders of

food allergies are cow's milk, wheat, sugar, corn, eggs, nuts, chocolate,

citrus, soy, yeast, and additives. I have known allergies to 5 of those,

plus shellfish and mushrooms. You might want to start with removing the

most likelies. That book also suggested: " The 5 Day Allergy Relief System "

by Mandel, Allergies and the Hyperactive Child by Rapp, No More Allergies

by Null, Allergies and Your Family by Rapp, An Alternative Approach to

Allergies by Randolph, and Detecting Your Hidden Allergies by Crook. I

haven't had a chance to read any of these, so I can't say which ones are

better.

HTH

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have been following this and hope I am not repeating too much.. I

am also suffer from allergies.. My main allergy is mold related.. I

get what is called the raccoon look when the allergies are up.. That

is dark under the eyes and white around the high part of the cheek..

My allergies were more cronic in that they affected my joints,

headaches, fatigue, digestive problems... I could go on for ever.. I

have used several methods to improve my situation and I have..

I think elimitation is good for some cases but it your daughter has

some tollerance for these things, eliminating might make it worse for

her when she does come in contact with them..

I would encourage you to find someone in chines medicine or

Homeopathy who can confirm if this is indeed what is going on for or

your daughter. My understanding of the dark circle is that something

could be stagnant in her system.. Usually the kidneys.. I am not

saying that she has a kidney problem but they may be working harder

to support something else.. This does not mean what the kidneys are

supporting is chronic either..

If your daughter is happy and healthy. She seems to get the right

amount of sleep and eat normally she may just have a darker area

under her eyes..

I am not sure if it was you or someone else whos daughter burises

easily.. Bioflavinoids help stengthen that and it also something that

can be helped with Chinese Medicine...

I not a doctor just a seeker and I have been dealing with these

problems for over ten years... These are some of the things that have

helped me.. I hope to have provided some other choices..

All the Best

Dena

>

> >Do you think vitamins are enough? I give her vitamins along with

> >nutritious meals. She doesn't tend to bruise easily but when she

does get

> >one they are ugly. I can try the elimination process. Any

suggestions

> >about the order of elimination? Thank you

> >Margaret White

>

>

> Like I said, I'm not medically trained. I just know what I've gone

through

> myself and with my daughter. For the iron deficiency, only a blood

test

> will give definite results and there are various treatments. We

give

> nn as much iron is possible in her diet. This can be

difficult when

> she eats as a normal toddler does. Supplements were not helping

much

> because we could not get her to take them. We have her on a vitamin

> supplement with iron, and her last blood tests were getting back to

the

> normal range. This has helped us, but there are a lot of ways to

be sure

> your child is getting enough iron.

>

> As for allergies, from a book called Complete Self-Care Guide to

Holistic

> Medicine: Treating Our Most Common Ailments the most likely

offenders of

> food allergies are cow's milk, wheat, sugar, corn, eggs, nuts,

chocolate,

> citrus, soy, yeast, and additives. I have known allergies to 5 of

those,

> plus shellfish and mushrooms. You might want to start with

removing the

> most likelies. That book also suggested: " The 5 Day Allergy Relief

System "

> by Mandel, Allergies and the Hyperactive Child by Rapp, No More

Allergies

> by Null, Allergies and Your Family by Rapp, An Alternative Approach

to

> Allergies by Randolph, and Detecting Your Hidden Allergies by

Crook. I

> haven't had a chance to read any of these, so I can't say which

ones are

> better.

>

> HTH

>

> Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Candida ALbicans overgrowth also causes " allergic

shiners, " (dark circles under the eyes). My twins

(almost 3) and myself were just recently treated for

this by a naturopath. Conventional testing for it and

treatment (as with most things conventional in my

mind) are drug-related and can cause more problems or

the candidiasis can return. We were tested through

kinesiology and treated alternatively, with drops

administered subcutaneously. (I want to say it is

similar to homeopathy). Email me privately for more

info..

Sue

--- Adrienne <adrienne@...> wrote:

> At 10:37 AM 11/15/00 -0500, you wrote:

> >I was wondering if anyone could tell me if they

> know why a healthy, well

> >rested child would continuously have dark circles

> under her eyes? I have

> >read a lot and I know it is not from dairy

> products... we don't do milk or

> >dairy, she doesn't eat too much sugar, eats rather

> well and she doesn't

> >have any allergies that I KNOW of.

> >

> >Margaret White

>

>

> The dark circles are often allergy related. It can

> be difficult to

> determine a food allergy. I have some odd food

> allergies. I actually have

> a wheat allergy, but due to all my other allergies,

> if I avoid wheat as

> well, I pretty much can't eat anything except meat.

> And not even

> interesting, just cooked. So I live with the

> headaches and other problems

> that my wheat allergy causes because I'd rather not

> starve or go on an only

> meat diet. You may want to remove things you don't

> think are causing an

> allergy in a systematic way and see after about a

> week off the item, if her

> eyes improve. Does she have any other signs of

> allergies or problems?

>

> Another thought is a possible iron deficiency. Low

> iron makes a person

> pale. My daughter is already fair, and then with

> the added paleness of low

> iron, any bruise or mark on her skin looks just

> awful. Not within the

> range of normal at all. I fear someone may think I

> beat her because of the

> usual bumps and bruises a 15 month old gets

> magnified by her fairness can

> get to looking pretty severe.

>

> These are just some thoughts. I'm not a medical

> person at all, just my own

> personal experience and some avenues you may wish to

> explore.

>

> Adrienne

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I had dark circles as a child and I was put on a big iron pill.

[Guest guest]

My daughter went through a period of this. I never could find a real

allergy, though I suspected mold allergies which run in our family and

affect me. Though the mold is very specific - IOW, just because the mold

count is high in the area does not mean our allergies will necessarily be

bothered - only specific ones. My specific allergies cause me to wake up

with my eyes puffed up like I have a black eye (usually one side worse

than another) and do cause a little darkening and my face swells a

little. Terrible looking because it looks like I've been beaten.

Generally subsides through the day after I get up. I have noticed on

days my allergies seem to bother me, my kids' eyes sometimes also appear

to have a little swelling.

I also took a closer look at how well my daughter was sleeping. Though

she technically slept enough, she wasn't really sleeping as well as she

could. Juggling a few different ideas on helping her to sleep better and

more often finally seemed to help there. It's my opinion that children

do not always get the sleep they need because it is assumed that a

certain amount of hours is enough and/or schedules to keep, etc.. And we

also focussed on her getting a better portion of meat in her diet for

iron. Plus I started giving her acidophilus and yogurt. So far, since

working on these levels, her dark eyes have disappeared and she does seem

to be much better rested and even easier to deal with in general.

Wouldn't have noticed it otherwise until the change brought about better.

Jules in TX

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:37:29 -0500 margaret.white@... writes:

> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if they know why a healthy,

well

> rested child would continuously have dark circles under her eyes? I

have

> read a lot and I know it is not from dairy products... we don't do milk

or

> dairy, she doesn't eat too much sugar, eats rather well and she doesn't

> have any allergies that I KNOW of.

>

> Margaret White

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[Guest guest]

I would like to thank everyone on the list for their suggestions. I

posted also about my son's black eyes. The mold and or candida

connection just might be his problem. His eyelids swell especially in

the morning. Although is eyes stay black most of the time. He is very

gassy and is usually up about one or two times a night, only for

about 10 minutes at a time.

I'm still nursing at 17mths. old. He is allergic to dairy. He can't

have yogurt. Does anyone have any suggestions??

Thanks

[Guest guest]

My dh has these and he is has dark olive skin. We think it may be an allergy

to dust?

HTH,

Steph

SAH Mama to Incredible, Co-Sleeping, Non-Vaxed, Nursling Maddie (2-7-00)

[Guest guest]

Once again, I would like to suggest the oriental medicine technique called

NAET. If you want to merely avoid allergens, expecting to live with the

allergy, and having to avoid the allergen (if you are lucky enough to figure

out what it actually is) forever, then it is not the solution. If you want

to first have an excellent chance of identifying the allergen and then

eliminating the allergy, i.e., cure the allergy so that you no longer have a

problem and do not have to avoid it, NAET is worth looking into.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Sandy,

Thanks for suggesting NAET. I am only just starting to explore

non-allopathic avenues concerning my own health issues. As I've mentioned

before, I have many allergies, some diagnosed, others not. I'm going to

look further into this.

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Adrienne,

You're welcome. Hope it helps. I had/have so many allergies, many of which

I seem to be over. For instance, I had a white wine allergy that would

result in a form of anaphylactic shock (not the kind you normally think of -

at least according to Dr. Nambudripad) even if I had the small amount you

might get in a salad dressing made with dijon mustard. I now can drink

white wine. I developed an allergy to licorice/licorice root which seems to

be gone. I have a lot of animals and it used to be if I petted my cats and

then rubbed my eyes, I would have to wash them out with cold water. Now

they don't itch at all when I do that. It goes on and on.

I treated 2 allergies a week for 6 months and am taking a break right now.

Anyway, good luck. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer what

I can. Sandy

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I posted earlier about my mold allergy.. I was also diagnosed for

candida.. One of the better books I found on the subject is called

The Yeast Syndrom,,, I am not talking about the Yeast Connection.. I

say this about the connection book because I found incomplete

sentences in it..LOL.. The Syndrom book is a little harder to find

but it is out there..

Candida is an over growth of yeast in ones system and what is yeast

but a type of mold or fungus.. I am over simplifying it but they go

together.. Dairy will cause a lot of mucus in for people with

Candida.. Since yeast is a living thing is has to eat to survive.. It

lives on sugar.. Dairy is a good sorce of sugar.. I would try giving

your son plain yogert with assadophilice(sp?) culture in it.. He

should be okay with that..Because yeast eats it throws off waiste..

It is the cycle of eating and throwing off the waist that taxes the

system and causes allergies.. Macrobiotics is a great way to start

eating to help with the die off of the yeast.. It is more balanced

than the candida diet and works very well for healing..

When you change things to kill the yeast it is my experience that you

may feel worse before you feel better..

Sandy has mentioned a type of accupuncture that helps allergies..I

have also done this type of accupncture and it has also worked for

me..

Homeopathy is also a great alternative..

Dena

> I would like to thank everyone on the list for their suggestions. I

> posted also about my son's black eyes. The mold and or candida

> connection just might be his problem. His eyelids swell especially

in

> the morning. Although is eyes stay black most of the time. He is

very

> gassy and is usually up about one or two times a night, only for

> about 10 minutes at a time.

>

> I'm still nursing at 17mths. old. He is allergic to dairy. He can't

> have yogurt. Does anyone have any suggestions??

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Just to clarify, NAET can be done using acupuncture or accupressure. For

the most part I only needed accupressure (the only time I needed

accupuncture was when my throat affected - I couldn't swallow and it felt

like it was swelling up - I went to the hospital, had prednisone, and was

all screwed up). Sandy

[Guest guest]

A really terrific book for helping figure out allergies/food intolerances is

" Is this your Child? " by Dr. Doris Rapp.

[Guest guest]

Black eyes is said to be sign of adrenal exhaustion.

Nil

>

> Yes- very noticable black circles around the eyes especially under

the

> eyes. Looks a lot like " allergy shiners " only blacker. My wife

>

[Guest guest]

,

What is your mag glycinate dosage? Do you take zinc also? Thanks

Nil

>

> Yes- very noticable black circles around the eyes especially under

the

> eyes. Looks a lot like " allergy shiners " only blacker. My wife

> describes my eyes as black holes.

>

[Guest guest]

I have been having the same black circles and recently got a lot worse

with the onset of my recent downfall after the benicar 3 month trial.

One eye has always been worse than the other, but both have been very

bad recently (getting better since on B12).

Do you self inject the Hydroxocobalamin?

I have not tried Hydroxocobalamin yet, I have been playing with

Cyanocobalamine 1-mg oral/injectable solution and Methyl 1-mg tablets.

The former seeming to be more active. I did self inject the

Cyanocobalamine but I had a nasty shock. Too much too quickly.

Im a bit worried about the cyanide issue. And have switched half too

Methyl.

I am taking about 4-mg per day with b6, folic acid and complex.

Can you tell me what you mean about crashing. What do you mean about

this? I had a serious of what I can only describe as adrenal crisis

prior to the discovery that my problem was closely related to b12.

BTW I recently had a serum B12 test and that was normal. I since learn

it is an unreliable test.

>

>

> Yes- very noticable black circles around the eyes especially under the

> eyes. Looks a lot like " allergy shiners " only blacker. My wife

> describes my eyes as black holes.

> The same thing happens when I go beyond my limits and am crashing. The

> addition of 1 mg of cyancobalmin in the morning [ according to my wife

> ] also allows me to do more before crashing - seems I am one of those

> that needs both B-12's. For me the B-12's, clonazepam and magnsium

> glycinate have been life savers.

> The mixed Omegas [ borage seed oil plus fish oil ]also help - however

> I cannot take evening primrose oil - it seems better for women than

> men - at least in my case.

>

> Bye the way Hydroxocobalamin is in stage 3 [ or phase 3 ]

> approval/registration by the FDA for cyanide poisoning antidote -

> smoke inhalation [ It is a CHELATOR for other things too ].

>

> Turns out it removed SOME of radioactive junk the U.S. { Military }

> injected volunteers with back in the late 1950's. Stange isn't it that

> hydroxocobalmin wasn't taught to medical personnel on this side of the

> pond even though researchers have been using it for decades in North

> America and For medical personnel in Europe such as France it is Drug

> of Choice [ DOC ]for smoke inhaltion.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

> each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee

When I first started my candida cleansing I was still eating some carbs, but not

near as much as I used to. During this time when i first started cleansing, my

skin was very bright and glowing, and my dark circles under my eyes were almost

non existent. Over the past week I have become more strict with my eating and

cutting out more and more carbs, and i m now seeing the opposite affect on my

face. My black circles are worse than ever and I look very drained and tired all

of the time. Is this retracing or am I not getting enough nutrition in my diet?

Also- is it possible to over-exercise when candida cleansing? I run 45- 60

miutes 6 days a week (which is becoming more and more difficult to do every day)

Thanks

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>

>

> Hi Bee

>

> When I first started my candida cleansing I was still eating some carbs, but

not near as much as I used to. During this time when i first started cleansing,

my skin was very bright and glowing, and my dark circles under my eyes were

almost non existent. Over the past week I have become more strict with my eating

and cutting out more and more carbs, and i m now seeing the opposite affect on

my face. My black circles are worse than ever and I look very drained and tired

all of the time. Is this retracing or am I not getting enough nutrition in my

diet?

>

> Also- is it possible to over-exercise when candida cleansing? I run 45- 60

miutes 6 days a week (which is becoming more and more difficult to do every day)

>

+++Hi . FYI, my program does not cleanse candida, since candida cannot be

cured by cleansing it or by killing it off, etc. Candida is only cured by

building up the immune system, which is done by:

1) Consuming " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements),

2) Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer),

3) Eliminating damaging foods, and

4) Eliminating toxins in general.

When your body is in the " healing mode " it becomes more able to get rid of

toxins, i.e. your black eyes, so it is simply a die-off/detoxifying symptom,

which is a good thing! Here's a good article that describes die-off, etc.

symptoms: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal2.php

Yes it is possible to over-exercise because it uses up energy your body needs in

order to heal itself. That's why I recommend mild forms of exercise like dry

skin brushing or rebounding on a mini trampoline or just walking.

All the best, Bee