Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Joyce, I don't know whether this was addressed to me, but I couldn't find the Neesby product using Google. Do you have a URL? I assume that the 1150mg is the total weight. How much elemental phosphorous is in AEP I haven't been able to find out. Those with a predisposition to soft tissue deposition of calcium phosphate should be wary of phosphorous but if you have osteoporosis, I don't think it's possible to advise you on this point. You need to seek medical advice. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: " joyce kaye " <jamkaye@...> I have osteoporsis of the spine. Am I correct when I say that the best magnesium for me is orotate and the best calcium is 2aep or magnesium 2AEP. I should not take phosphorous? joy jamkaye@.... I am taking osteoprime and magnesium orotate. Also I am taking Neesby Calcium Ethanolamine phosphate which has 1,150mg of phosphorus. Is this one not to take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Hi Rob, It is http://www.needs.com/store/product_note.asp?prod_id=1518 6 capsules contain 740 mg calcium and 1150 mg phosphorus. Nil Re: calcium and magnesium > Joyce, > > I don't know whether this was addressed to me, but I couldn't find the > Neesby product using Google. Do you have a URL? > > I assume that the 1150mg is the total weight. How much elemental > phosphorous is in AEP I haven't been able to find out. > > Those with a predisposition to soft tissue deposition of calcium phosphate > should be wary of phosphorous but if you have osteoporosis, I don't think > it's possible to advise you on this point. You need to seek medical > advice. > > Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " joyce kaye " <jamkaye@...> > > > I have osteoporsis of the spine. Am I correct when I say that the best > magnesium for me is orotate and the best calcium is 2aep or magnesium > 2AEP. I should not take phosphorous? joy jamkaye@.... I am taking > osteoprime and magnesium orotate. Also I am taking Neesby Calcium > Ethanolamine phosphate which has 1,150mg of phosphorus. Is this one not to > take? > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 I also have severe osteoporosis and I have been using MCHA form of Calcium. I lately ordered NEESBY 2-aep product from NEEDS and slowly switching to 2-aep. It seems to me that amount of calcium it contains is less than the amount hydroxyapatite form contains.I also noticed that Napier mentions of using calcium oratate together with 2-aep for osteoporosis. So,I still have some questions in my mind. Should we add calcium oratate for osteoporosis? Is 2-aep form better than hydroxapatite form for the treatment of osteoporosis? Any info will be appreciated. Thanks Nil Re: calcium and magnesium > Joyce, > > I don't know whether this was addressed to me, but I couldn't find the > Neesby product using Google. Do you have a URL? > > I assume that the 1150mg is the total weight. How much elemental > phosphorous is in AEP I haven't been able to find out. > > Those with a predisposition to soft tissue deposition of calcium phosphate > should be wary of phosphorous but if you have osteoporosis, I don't think > it's possible to advise you on this point. You need to seek medical > advice. > > Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " joyce kaye " <jamkaye@...> > > > I have osteoporsis of the spine. Am I correct when I say that the best > magnesium for me is orotate and the best calcium is 2aep or magnesium > 2AEP. I should not take phosphorous? joy jamkaye@.... I am taking > osteoprime and magnesium orotate. Also I am taking Neesby Calcium > Ethanolamine phosphate which has 1,150mg of phosphorus. Is this one not to > take? > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 I also have severe osteoporosis and I have been using MCHA form of Calcium. I lately ordered NEESBY 2-aep product from NEEDS and slowly switching to 2-aep. It seems to me that amount of calcium it contains is less than the amount hydroxyapatite form contains.I also noticed that Napier mentions of using calcium oratate together with 2-aep for osteoporosis. So,I still have some questions in my mind. Should we add calcium oratate for osteoporosis? Is 2-aep form better than hydroxapatite form for the treatment of osteoporosis? Any info will be appreciated. Here is some more info on 2-AEP Calcium http://www.medaus.com/index.php?view=43 & p=73 Thanks Nil Re: calcium and magnesium > Joyce, > > I don't know whether this was addressed to me, but I couldn't find the > Neesby product using Google. Do you have a URL? > > I assume that the 1150mg is the total weight. How much elemental > phosphorous is in AEP I haven't been able to find out. > > Those with a predisposition to soft tissue deposition of calcium phosphate > should be wary of phosphorous but if you have osteoporosis, I don't think > it's possible to advise you on this point. You need to seek medical > advice. > > Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " joyce kaye " <jamkaye@...> > > > I have osteoporsis of the spine. Am I correct when I say that the best > magnesium for me is orotate and the best calcium is 2aep or magnesium > 2AEP. I should not take phosphorous? joy jamkaye@.... I am taking > osteoprime and magnesium orotate. Also I am taking Neesby Calcium > Ethanolamine phosphate which has 1,150mg of phosphorus. Is this one not to > take? > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Nil, try as I might, I just couldn't get to any information for this product -- this URL is for the " add to my cart " page. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: " Nil " <ng2113@...> Hi Rob, It is http://www.needs.com/store/product_note.asp?prod_id=1518 6 capsules contain 740 mg calcium and 1150 mg phosphorus. Nil ----- Original Message ----- From: " Napier " <rob.nap@...> > Joyce, > > I don't know whether this was addressed to me, but I couldn't find the > Neesby product using Google. Do you have a URL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 That is right. There is no info there. I have the product and I have given you the info from the label of the product.I could not find any info on this product at web when I was making a search about it. Than I asked to NEEDS if it was 2-AEP or not. They answered me that it was. So,that is how I started getting it.It is written `Calcium Ethanolamine Phosphate`,and `derived from phophorylated ethanolamine that is present as a salt of calcium` on the label.I think this product is cheaper.I don't know why? Best regards. Nil Re: calcium and magnesium > Nil, try as I might, I just couldn't get to any information for this > product -- this URL is for the " add to my cart " page. > > Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Nil " <ng2113@...> > > Hi Rob, > > It is http://www.needs.com/store/product_note.asp?prod_id=1518 > > 6 capsules contain 740 mg calcium and > 1150 mg phosphorus. > > Nil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Napier " <rob.nap@...> > > > Joyce, > > > > I don't know whether this was addressed to me, but I couldn't find the > > Neesby product using Google. Do you have a URL? > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Hilchie wrote: > I had some calcium and magnesium in my vitamins but I would like to purchase more magnesium. I need to know the best form, then I will get someone to translate that into Chinese and then I will try and buy it here. Otherwise I will have to get my son to buy it and send me a 'care' package. > > from Canada in China Hmmm- The one the body likes and uses best to avert chronic disease is Magnesium chloride. (Mg Cl2) It takes about 8 hrs to absorb and makes a good supplement, and a research associate in Italy is doing fantastic work showing how well this form enhances health in general. Most USA tablets have 64mg of Magnesium each so you need several fro a dose. If you are in need of urgent magnesium however, such as for cramping or some such - then the best form is Magnesium gluconate. (C12H22MgO14) It absorbs in an hour. There's very little magnesium in a tablet of magnesium gluconate - so you need it in volume. (For example a 500 mg tablet of magnesium gluconate only has 27 mg of magnesium in it, so I take it in groups of 6 or ten for a dose.) Always avoid anything antacid such as magnesium oxide or magnesium sulfate as it will interfere with digestion by removing your stomach acid, messing with acid feedback mechanisms and generally interfering with your ability to digest protein. There are other options like Magnesium citrate - but as someone with a chronic magnesium deficiency due to a kidney defect - I know from experience what works and how well, and the first two are best. Citrate and other common ones are a poor second place - but of course they help. Namaste, IRene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Thank your Irene. To the best of my knowledge I don't have a deficiency per se, but as this discussion has gone, we need more magnesium than is available in the standard 'vitamine' pills. I know I can buy liquid calcium gluconate here in china easily so I hope I will also be able to buy the magnesium. I do have osteoarthritis and some bone loss so getting more calcium/magnesium is important. I am 62 (3/4) so not a spring chicken any longer. I do have to do a lot of walking here. The school I teach at is a 12 min walk up a steep hill. I am also taking Tai Chi classes. I have lost over 2 KG since I arrived here this time. Meat is harder to buy though. from Canada in China Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: Hilchie wrote: > I had some calcium and magnesium in my vitamins but I would like to purchase more magnesium. I need to know the best form, then I will get someone to translate that into Chinese and then I will try and buy it here. Otherwise I will have to get my son to buy it and send me a 'care' package. > > from Canada in China Hmmm- The one the body likes and uses best to avert chronic disease is Magnesium chloride. (Mg Cl2) It takes about 8 hrs to absorb and makes a good supplement, and a research associate in Italy is doing fantastic work showing how well this form enhances health in general. Most USA tablets have 64mg of Magnesium each so you need several fro a dose. If you are in need of urgent magnesium however, such as for cramping or some such - then the best form is Magnesium gluconate. (C12H22MgO14) It absorbs in an hour. There's very little magnesium in a tablet of magnesium gluconate - so you need it in volume. (For example a 500 mg tablet of magnesium gluconate only has 27 mg of magnesium in it, so I take it in groups of 6 or ten for a dose.) Always avoid anything antacid such as magnesium oxide or magnesium sulfate as it will interfere with digestion by removing your stomach acid, messing with acid feedback mechanisms and generally interfering with your ability to digest protein. There are other options like Magnesium citrate - but as someone with a chronic magnesium deficiency due to a kidney defect - I know from experience what works and how well, and the first two are best. Citrate and other common ones are a poor second place - but of course they help. Namaste, IRene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " Messages in this topic (8) --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 > > To the best of my knowledge I don't have a deficiency per se, but as this discussion has gone, we need more magnesium than is available in the standard 'vitamine' pills. I know I can buy liquid calcium gluconate here in china easily so I hope I will also be able to buy the magnesium. > If you can get them, you could eat a cup of walnuts which has 250mg of magnesium. And they're yummy and not a bad source or protein too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 We are using Biocare Calcium EAP2 Caps and also Biocare Magnesium EAP2 caps Joanne > > Dear all, > > I am looking for ideas please for alternative supplements for calcium > and magnesium. We have been using Kirkman's magnesium and calcium for > a long time and want to rotate onto something different. > > Best wishes, > Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 We are using Biocare Calcium EAP2 Caps and also Biocare Magnesium EAP2 caps Joanne > > Dear all, > > I am looking for ideas please for alternative supplements for calcium > and magnesium. We have been using Kirkman's magnesium and calcium for > a long time and want to rotate onto something different. > > Best wishes, > Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 We are using Biocare Calcium EAP2 Caps and also Biocare Magnesium EAP2 caps Joanne > > Dear all, > > I am looking for ideas please for alternative supplements for calcium > and magnesium. We have been using Kirkman's magnesium and calcium for > a long time and want to rotate onto something different. > > Best wishes, > Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hi we use cal/mag but we get it from the States so probably not much good Peta -- In Autism Treatment , " Sandy and Tim " wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am looking for ideas please for alternative supplements for calcium > and magnesium. We have been using Kirkman's magnesium and calcium for > a long time and want to rotate onto something different. > > Best wishes, > Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 Hi we use cal/mag but we get it from the States so probably not much good Peta -- In Autism Treatment , " Sandy and Tim " wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am looking for ideas please for alternative supplements for calcium > and magnesium. We have been using Kirkman's magnesium and calcium for > a long time and want to rotate onto something different. > > Best wishes, > Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Hi, It's been about 10 days since we started using pure Vitamin C powder by Lamberts. We live in Spain and I actually prefer Jo Mar Lab's Vitamin C powder but I haven't received my shipment yet. Jo Mar's has Ca, Mg, Zn, and K, in addition to the Vitamin C. So I got Lamberts' Vitamin C as Calcium Ascorbate & Vitamin C as Magnesium Ascorbate And I give 1/8 teaspoonfuls of both, twice a day, which totals to 2,000mg per day. They're pure- no excipients, binders, etc., have a bland taste, can be mixed with anything and I get that its manufactured in the UK. Hope it helps. Nora from BArcelona Check out the all-new beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Sorry... My mistake.... Here you are asking about Calcium and Magnesium and I am talking about Vitamin C... Have a nice day Nora Check out the all-new beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Hi Sandy, Just wanted to add that we use combined Cal/Magnesium Citramate from Thorne Research. Mind you it depends on what ratio you want to be on. This form comes in a 1:1 ratio and has been the only one good for us. HTH emily > > Dear all, > > I am looking for ideas please for alternative supplements for calcium > and magnesium. We have been using Kirkman's magnesium and calcium for > a long time and want to rotate onto something different. > > Best wishes, > Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Hi Sandy, Just wanted to add that we use combined Cal/Magnesium Citramate from Thorne Research. Mind you it depends on what ratio you want to be on. This form comes in a 1:1 ratio and has been the only one good for us. HTH emily > > Dear all, > > I am looking for ideas please for alternative supplements for calcium > and magnesium. We have been using Kirkman's magnesium and calcium for > a long time and want to rotate onto something different. > > Best wishes, > Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 I use Buffered Vitamin C powder from Allergy research group. One tsp contains: Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid) 2135 mg Calcium (as Calcium Carbonate)405 mg Magnesium (as Magnesium Carbonate) 215 mg Potassium (as Potassium Carbonate) 90 mg It provides half of daily dose of calcium and magnesium and vitamin C as well. They offer a choise of corn or cassava source for those with corn allergy. Galina > > Dear all, > > I am looking for ideas please for alternative supplements for calcium > and magnesium. We have been using Kirkman's magnesium and calcium for > a long time and want to rotate onto something different. > > Best wishes, > Sandy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Hi, I have been taking magnesium glycinate for a long time. What is the difference between glycinate and citrate? Also, the calcium I am taking has vitamin D in it. Is it best to get my D from cod liver oil or can I continue taking it in the calcium and just adding fish oil and shart liver oil for the A? Just trying to get this all correct. Thanks, Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 I would give it seperately whenever it suits you and N and less often if needs be. The Mag is more important than the calcium when chelating IMHO Mandi x (from Times Square NY My problem is when to give the calcium if I have to give it 4 times a day ? My only option seems to be give it last thing at night as a single dose ? Is there anyone with a better understanding of these things who can give some advice for chelation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 I would give it seperately whenever it suits you and N and less often if needs be. The Mag is more important than the calcium when chelating IMHO Mandi x (from Times Square NY My problem is when to give the calcium if I have to give it 4 times a day ? My only option seems to be give it last thing at night as a single dose ? Is there anyone with a better understanding of these things who can give some advice for chelation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Start spreading the news....i'm leaving today...I'm going to be a part of it, NY NY Hope you're enjoying it!!! Kirsty Boring Kent > > I would give it seperately whenever it suits you and N and less often if > needs be. The Mag is more important than the calcium when chelating IMHO > > Mandi x (from Times Square NY > > > In a message dated 22/10/2010 09:48:06 GMT Daylight Time, > peteandlindajohnson@... writes: > > My problem is when to give the calcium if I have to give it 4 times a day > ? My only option seems to be give it last thing at night as a single dose ? > Is there anyone with a better understanding of these things who can give > some advice for chelation. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Start spreading the news....i'm leaving today...I'm going to be a part of it, NY NY Hope you're enjoying it!!! Kirsty Boring Kent > > I would give it seperately whenever it suits you and N and less often if > needs be. The Mag is more important than the calcium when chelating IMHO > > Mandi x (from Times Square NY > > > In a message dated 22/10/2010 09:48:06 GMT Daylight Time, > peteandlindajohnson@... writes: > > My problem is when to give the calcium if I have to give it 4 times a day > ? My only option seems to be give it last thing at night as a single dose ? > Is there anyone with a better understanding of these things who can give > some advice for chelation. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Tom made me listen to the Empire State of Mind on his ipod through one ear plug whilst at the top of the Empire State Building, he said it was naff but we had to do it LOL.......man these tall building MOVE IN T|HE WIND!!! get me down I said, we came down first 6 floors by the stairs so keen was I to get back on terra firma, or at least as firma as you can get on small island. Central park tomorrow mx Start spreading the news....i'm leaving today...I'm going to be a part of it, NY NYHope you're enjoying it!!!KirstyBoring Kent>> I would give it seperately whenever it suits you and N and less often if > needs be. The Mag is more important than the calcium when chelating IMHO> > Mandi x (from Times Square NY > > > > > My problem is when to give the calcium if I have to give it 4 times a day > ? My only option seems to be give it last thing at night as a single dose ? > Is there anyone with a better understanding of these things who can give > some advice for chelation.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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