Coffee?

July 13, 1999

I was just reading news stories about soccer star Akers, after

reading notes from a lecture by Dr. Klimas, and strangely, both of them

recommend drinking coffee to raise blood pressure for people with NMH-type

symptoms and low blood pressure. Akers drinks a cup of coffee at halftime,

though she is otherwise following a very restricted diet (gluten free, sugar

free, lots of juicing, etc.). I have severe CFIDS and gave up coffee when I

got sick (7 years ago). But I am more than willing to go on a coffee

protocol. It sounds way more fun than the yeast-free diet. What do others

think of this?

July 13, 1999

I too gave up coffee many years ago when I was diagnosed with CFIDS. I am

not sure that coffee is a way to go for everyone. About three weeks ago,

totally by accident my husband fixed me a mocha with caffeine in it. I flew

off the face of the earth for about a day. That night I could not sleep,

and the next day I was full of energy, but by nightfall, I crashed big time.

It was like being on a treadmill for a day and a half and then " nose dive " .

It took me several days to recover. This may not happen to everyone, but it

sure hit me hard. I was also diagnosed with NMH. So step softly if you try

this approach.

Trudy

Re: coffee?

> From: Peggomatic@...

>

> I was just reading news stories about soccer star Akers, after

> reading notes from a lecture by Dr. Klimas, and strangely, both of

them

> recommend drinking coffee to raise blood pressure for people with NMH-type

> symptoms and low blood pressure. Akers drinks a cup of coffee at

halftime,

> though she is otherwise following a very restricted diet (gluten free,

sugar

> free, lots of juicing, etc.). I have severe CFIDS and gave up coffee when

I

> got sick (7 years ago). But I am more than willing to go on a coffee

> protocol. It sounds way more fun than the yeast-free diet. What do

others

> think of this?

>

> ---------------------------

September 5, 2001

Hi Bob,

I bet this is one of those things that could be

endlessly debated. And maybe both sides would be

right. Maybe there is some good, and some bad. And too

much of even a good thing can be bad. I haven't given

up my coffee, and drink a cup, sometimes two almost

every day. A few years ago I heard a news report that

coffee had strong antioxident properties, but only if

freshly brewed. After 30 minutes that was gone. Then

today I just saw this:

Study Shows Coffee Is Rich Source of Antioxidants

LONDON (Reuters) - Coffee beats green tea by

containing four times the amount of

health-boosting antioxidants, which can assist

in preventing or postponing the onset of

degenerative diseases, according to a new

study. The study, carried out in Switzerland by the

Lausanne-based Nestle Research Center,

examined the effects of green tea, cocoa,

herbal teas and coffee on antioxidant activity.

``We have known for some time from our

monitoring of on-going research findings that

there are many potential health benefits of

consuming coffee,'' an official of the

International Coffee Organization said in a

statement Wednesday.

``This latest and exciting research finding

may help us better understand and prevent

common diseases which are triggered by

oxidative reactions.''

Antioxidants reduce the effects on the human

body of harmful substances known as free

radicals which may be a major contributor to

cardiovascular disease, cancer, cataracts and

decline of the immune and nervous system.

Fruits, vegetables, nuts and whole grains are

other foods high in antioxidant vitamins such

as C and E.

Robusta green coffee beans had a two-fold

higher antioxidant activity than arabica,

although this difference declined after

roasting, according to results of the

Nestle-financed center's study.

``In conclusion, these commonly consumed

beverages have a significant antioxidant

activity, the highest being soluble coffee on a

cup-serving basis,'' according to the study,

published recently in the international

publication Journal of Agricultural and Food

Chemistry.

Robusta beans are used to make instant coffee

and in blends with arabica coffees. Green

beans are never consumed in their native

state.

The study said antioxidant activity was greatly

influenced by the method of preparation of a

cup of coffee, which would lead to a

considerable difference in the amount ingested

by different countries.

One cup of coffee prepared by U.S. consumers

contained 0.7 percent soluble coffee,

compared to 1.7 percent for Swiss drinkers

and 2.0 percent in France.

The antioxidant activities were not affected by

the addition of milk to coffee, cocoa and tea.

The study was carried out ``in vitro,'' or in

test-tubes and further studies ``in vivo'' -- on

cells, cultures, animals, healthy humans and

eventually humans with diseases -- will need to be

carried out.

__________________________________________________

September 5, 2001

Hi Bob,

I bet this is one of those things that could be

endlessly debated. And maybe both sides would be

right. Maybe there is some good, and some bad. And too

much of even a good thing can be bad. I haven't given

up my coffee, and drink a cup, sometimes two almost

every day. A few years ago I heard a news report that

coffee had strong antioxident properties, but only if

freshly brewed. After 30 minutes that was gone. Then

today I just saw this:

Study Shows Coffee Is Rich Source of Antioxidants

LONDON (Reuters) - Coffee beats green tea by

containing four times the amount of

health-boosting antioxidants, which can assist

in preventing or postponing the onset of

degenerative diseases, according to a new

study. The study, carried out in Switzerland by the

Lausanne-based Nestle Research Center,

examined the effects of green tea, cocoa,

herbal teas and coffee on antioxidant activity.

``We have known for some time from our

monitoring of on-going research findings that

there are many potential health benefits of

consuming coffee,'' an official of the

International Coffee Organization said in a

statement Wednesday.

``This latest and exciting research finding

may help us better understand and prevent

common diseases which are triggered by

oxidative reactions.''

Antioxidants reduce the effects on the human

body of harmful substances known as free

radicals which may be a major contributor to

cardiovascular disease, cancer, cataracts and

decline of the immune and nervous system.

Fruits, vegetables, nuts and whole grains are

other foods high in antioxidant vitamins such

as C and E.

Robusta green coffee beans had a two-fold

higher antioxidant activity than arabica,

although this difference declined after

roasting, according to results of the

Nestle-financed center's study.

``In conclusion, these commonly consumed

beverages have a significant antioxidant

activity, the highest being soluble coffee on a

cup-serving basis,'' according to the study,

published recently in the international

publication Journal of Agricultural and Food

Chemistry.

Robusta beans are used to make instant coffee

and in blends with arabica coffees. Green

beans are never consumed in their native

state.

The study said antioxidant activity was greatly

influenced by the method of preparation of a

cup of coffee, which would lead to a

considerable difference in the amount ingested

by different countries.

One cup of coffee prepared by U.S. consumers

contained 0.7 percent soluble coffee,

compared to 1.7 percent for Swiss drinkers

and 2.0 percent in France.

The antioxidant activities were not affected by

the addition of milk to coffee, cocoa and tea.

The study was carried out ``in vitro,'' or in

test-tubes and further studies ``in vivo'' -- on

cells, cultures, animals, healthy humans and

eventually humans with diseases -- will need to be

carried out.

__________________________________________________

September 5, 2001

Hi Bob,

I bet this is one of those things that could be

endlessly debated. And maybe both sides would be

right. Maybe there is some good, and some bad. And too

much of even a good thing can be bad. I haven't given

up my coffee, and drink a cup, sometimes two almost

every day. A few years ago I heard a news report that

coffee had strong antioxident properties, but only if

freshly brewed. After 30 minutes that was gone. Then

today I just saw this:

Study Shows Coffee Is Rich Source of Antioxidants

LONDON (Reuters) - Coffee beats green tea by

containing four times the amount of

health-boosting antioxidants, which can assist

in preventing or postponing the onset of

degenerative diseases, according to a new

study. The study, carried out in Switzerland by the

Lausanne-based Nestle Research Center,

examined the effects of green tea, cocoa,

herbal teas and coffee on antioxidant activity.

``We have known for some time from our

monitoring of on-going research findings that

there are many potential health benefits of

consuming coffee,'' an official of the

International Coffee Organization said in a

statement Wednesday.

``This latest and exciting research finding

may help us better understand and prevent

common diseases which are triggered by

oxidative reactions.''

Antioxidants reduce the effects on the human

body of harmful substances known as free

radicals which may be a major contributor to

cardiovascular disease, cancer, cataracts and

decline of the immune and nervous system.

Fruits, vegetables, nuts and whole grains are

other foods high in antioxidant vitamins such

as C and E.

Robusta green coffee beans had a two-fold

higher antioxidant activity than arabica,

although this difference declined after

roasting, according to results of the

Nestle-financed center's study.

``In conclusion, these commonly consumed

beverages have a significant antioxidant

activity, the highest being soluble coffee on a

cup-serving basis,'' according to the study,

published recently in the international

publication Journal of Agricultural and Food

Chemistry.

Robusta beans are used to make instant coffee

and in blends with arabica coffees. Green

beans are never consumed in their native

state.

The study said antioxidant activity was greatly

influenced by the method of preparation of a

cup of coffee, which would lead to a

considerable difference in the amount ingested

by different countries.

One cup of coffee prepared by U.S. consumers

contained 0.7 percent soluble coffee,

compared to 1.7 percent for Swiss drinkers

and 2.0 percent in France.

The antioxidant activities were not affected by

the addition of milk to coffee, cocoa and tea.

The study was carried out ``in vitro,'' or in

test-tubes and further studies ``in vivo'' -- on

cells, cultures, animals, healthy humans and

eventually humans with diseases -- will need to be

carried out.

__________________________________________________

September 5, 2001

Hi Bob,

I bet this is one of those things that could be

endlessly debated. And maybe both sides would be

right. Maybe there is some good, and some bad. And too

much of even a good thing can be bad. I haven't given

up my coffee, and drink a cup, sometimes two almost

every day. A few years ago I heard a news report that

coffee had strong antioxident properties, but only if

freshly brewed. After 30 minutes that was gone. Then

today I just saw this:

Study Shows Coffee Is Rich Source of Antioxidants

LONDON (Reuters) - Coffee beats green tea by

containing four times the amount of

health-boosting antioxidants, which can assist

in preventing or postponing the onset of

degenerative diseases, according to a new

study. The study, carried out in Switzerland by the

Lausanne-based Nestle Research Center,

examined the effects of green tea, cocoa,

herbal teas and coffee on antioxidant activity.

``We have known for some time from our

monitoring of on-going research findings that

there are many potential health benefits of

consuming coffee,'' an official of the

International Coffee Organization said in a

statement Wednesday.

``This latest and exciting research finding

may help us better understand and prevent

common diseases which are triggered by

oxidative reactions.''

Antioxidants reduce the effects on the human

body of harmful substances known as free

radicals which may be a major contributor to

cardiovascular disease, cancer, cataracts and

decline of the immune and nervous system.

Fruits, vegetables, nuts and whole grains are

other foods high in antioxidant vitamins such

as C and E.

Robusta green coffee beans had a two-fold

higher antioxidant activity than arabica,

although this difference declined after

roasting, according to results of the

Nestle-financed center's study.

``In conclusion, these commonly consumed

beverages have a significant antioxidant

activity, the highest being soluble coffee on a

cup-serving basis,'' according to the study,

published recently in the international

publication Journal of Agricultural and Food

Chemistry.

Robusta beans are used to make instant coffee

and in blends with arabica coffees. Green

beans are never consumed in their native

state.

The study said antioxidant activity was greatly

influenced by the method of preparation of a

cup of coffee, which would lead to a

considerable difference in the amount ingested

by different countries.

One cup of coffee prepared by U.S. consumers

contained 0.7 percent soluble coffee,

compared to 1.7 percent for Swiss drinkers

and 2.0 percent in France.

The antioxidant activities were not affected by

the addition of milk to coffee, cocoa and tea.

The study was carried out ``in vitro,'' or in

test-tubes and further studies ``in vivo'' -- on

cells, cultures, animals, healthy humans and

eventually humans with diseases -- will need to be

carried out.

__________________________________________________

September 5, 2001

On the coffee thing.. I think it's more about what state your liver is in (mine

is in Texas) than the virus/coffee thing. I could be wrong. I drink a lot of

caffeine normally, tho not while I was on treatment, cuz I couldn't get thru a

day without stimulants (I could if I weren't working).

alley

Pat

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September 5, 2001

On the coffee thing.. I think it's more about what state your liver is in (mine

is in Texas) than the virus/coffee thing. I could be wrong. I drink a lot of

caffeine normally, tho not while I was on treatment, cuz I couldn't get thru a

day without stimulants (I could if I weren't working).

alley

Pat

mailto:alleypat@... andromedagurl@...

note: alleypat@... will be disconnected at the end of August

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September 5, 2001

On the coffee thing.. I think it's more about what state your liver is in (mine

is in Texas) than the virus/coffee thing. I could be wrong. I drink a lot of

caffeine normally, tho not while I was on treatment, cuz I couldn't get thru a

day without stimulants (I could if I weren't working).

alley

Pat

mailto:alleypat@... andromedagurl@...

note: alleypat@... will be disconnected at the end of August

---------------------------------

September 5, 2001

On the coffee thing.. I think it's more about what state your liver is in (mine

is in Texas) than the virus/coffee thing. I could be wrong. I drink a lot of

caffeine normally, tho not while I was on treatment, cuz I couldn't get thru a

day without stimulants (I could if I weren't working).

alley

Pat

mailto:alleypat@... andromedagurl@...

note: alleypat@... will be disconnected at the end of August

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January 4, 2003

Most of my life, I never drank much coffee - too sensitive to

jittering from the caffeine, I guess. But some 15 years

ago, I 'discovered' GOOD coffee - expresso, cappacino, in

the quaint coffee shops. So, I started drinking it and built

up my tolerance, I guess, because I stopped getting jittery.

SO, I didn't drink coffee daily, but after a good meal, on

special occasions, meeting friends for 'coffee', I'd have

a good cup or two - and enjoyed it emmensly.

Then, when my back got so bad, I was put on Celebrex, then

Methotrexate. I don't know which is the culprit or even

if either is a factor, but I can no longer drink coffee at

all. Even half a cup and I get horrendous headache, terrible

pain in my back and a squeezing feeling around my ribs - not

heart but muscle type pain. And, my legs feel like I've been

caught under a steam roller. These symptoms only develop about

an hour after drinking the coffee but last for hours and nothing

helps at all.

But, I drink tea - very weak tea, but lots of it. And I drink

coke and pepsi - not often and restricted amounts. And neither

of these cause similar symptoms, so I'm not convinced it's

caffeine but something else in coffee. ???

G

> Anyone out there find coffee, or any other source of caffeine, an issue?

>

> Bruce O'Brien

> obrienb612@...

>

--

kjg@...

Canberra, ACT Australia

January 5, 2003

In a message dated 1/5/03 12:50:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Obrienb612@... writes:

> and a question came to me: how many out there in RISG-land drink coffe?

>

Bruce, I personally drink exactly 1 1/2 cups of 1/2 real coffee and 1/2 decaf

coffee a day. That would be the equivalent of less than 1 cup of regular

coffee. In the evening we have 1 cup of decaf tea. I always drink decaf cola.

This has been my habit for many years. So my caffeine has always been

limited.

There was a study done in Finland a few years ago that seemed to imply that

heavy coffee drinking had something to do with RH factor. I've attached one

of the articles that the arthritis foundation put out.

Best regards, Connie (granny)

<A

HREF= " http://www.arthritis.org/resources/arthritistoday/2000_archives/2000_11_12\

_ar_coffee.asp " >Arthritis Today: Research Spotlight - Rheumatoid Arthritis -

Drink Less

Coffee: Advice for Prevention?</A>

January 5, 2003

absolutely , caffiene makes my urinary symptoms much worse , the urgency

, frequency and ability to initiate flow are all adversely affected

.............. nancy

January 5, 2003

I have to limit my intake of coffee to one cup or less in the mornings. I have

to have it to clear the grundge but know that if I drink more than a cup I'll be

paying for it the rest of the day with increases urinary irritation.

I read that the quick brewed coffee's actually pick up less caffiene than slower

brewed coffee's. Coffee has about twice the caffiene as a cup of tea or a cup

of coke, so you may be able to drink tea or cokes without getting the same

effect as coffee.

Ray

January 5, 2003

In a message dated 1/5/03 6:26:44 PM, countryms@... writes:

<< At times it(coffee) has been an issue as to whether my brain would function

or my body would get out of the bed for the day, but I don't remember that

it was a consideration as far as physical problems associated with AS per se

is considered. Maybe it's worth looking into though. I do hate the thought

of completely losing my brain to fog though. : (

>>

The strange thing for me was that I have always loved coffee.

I gave it up totally (cold turkey) and that's about when my AS started, a

year later.

A year after that, I started taking caffeine pills, and it (the pain )was

tolerable.

Gave that up, and it has gotten worse every since.

I am sure it is probably a coincidence, but interesting.

Pris

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January 5, 2003

At times it(coffee) has been an issue as to whether my brain would function

or my body would get out of the bed for the day, but I don't remember that

it was a consideration as far as physical problems associated with AS per se

is considered. Maybe it's worth looking into though. I do hate the thought

of completely losing my brain to fog though. : (

GA : )

Always wear a smile--it makes people wonder what you've been up to. : )

January 6, 2003

That's interesting, I gave up coffee and my arthritis has gotten worse.

There's probably no connection, but I never thought about it before reading

this. On Christmas Day, I had a very bad flare of pain in my knees. I

attributed it to several nights without enough sleep. Christmas night I had

coffee at dinner which is very unusual for me, slept well that night, and

the pain was almost gone the next day. I thought it was the sleep, but who

knows, maybe it was the coffee.

In a message dated 1/5/03 6:26:44 PM, countryms@... writes:

<< At times it(coffee) has been an issue as to whether my brain would

function

or my body would get out of the bed for the day, but I don't remember that

it was a consideration as far as physical problems associated with AS per se

is considered. Maybe it's worth looking into though. I do hate the thought

of completely losing my brain to fog though. : (

>>

The strange thing for me was that I have always loved coffee.

I gave it up totally (cold turkey) and that's about when my AS started, a

year later.

A year after that, I started taking caffeine pills, and it (the pain )was

tolerable.

Gave that up, and it has gotten worse every since.

I am sure it is probably a coincidence, but interesting.

Pris

January 6, 2003

I don't drink any coffee, but colas about 4 a week. Don't think that's a

whole lot. Have never noticed a big change on the days when I don't have any,

but I'll pay attention now. Thanks. Kathy from WI

January 7, 2003

Hello Everyone,

Here's my two cents on the coffee. Since caffeine is a drug of sorts, it

certainly could have a different effect on different people. In a drug-drug

intereaction study, I read that since caffeine is metabolised by the 1A2

pathway(I think that was the pathway), and that is a common pathway for a

fair number of prescription drugs to also be metabolised by, one of the

following could certainly occur. One, the caffeine stays in your body much

longer than it normally would, or two it changes to some extent the blood

level of a prescription med making that more or less effective. I am not a

pharmacist, so if you want a better explanation of this ask a pharmacist or

pharm D who could explain it better.

Have a Great Day,

Dave in NC

January 7, 2003

In a message dated 1/7/03 8:01:05 AM, jturner@... writes:

<< That's interesting, I gave up coffee and my arthritis has gotten worse.

There's probably no connection, but I never thought about it before reading

this. >>

This is very interesting. As I said before, I never had a serious pronlem

until I gave up coffee.

I notice some relief after having a cup of coffee.

Pris

January 7, 2003

That sounds right, Dave. I remember when I was young and went on birth

control pills, the medication increased the time caffeine stayed in my

system, and as a result I started getting bladder infections. I had to give

up caffeine while I was on that medication. I had forgotten about that.

Thanks for reminding me.

Janet