Homeopathics

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In a message dated 12/19/1999 1:27:52 AM Central Standard Time,

avanbeek@... writes:

<< Can someone please explain the theory behind " nosodes " . Do they typically

work like vaccines, ingredients, dosage, etc? I was curious if this would be

a safer route to take if you wanted only to get one of the vaccinations?

>>

Homeopathics are always safe. The efficacy of nosodes is about 4 years.

Therefore, you would do the dosage every four years. I am not personally

familiar with them, as I preferred my children to get the diseases, and they

have. But I would have done nosodes had my kids not gotten natural immunity

by puberty. It is infinitely safer to do nosodes every 4 years, than to take

chances with vaccines that are dangerous to begin with, but even more

dangerous with adults (just like the diseases). Some NDs are familiar with

them, some are not. Your best bet is to talk to a homeopathic doctor. I

would guess that they work the same way as the high dose my son got for his

speech delay. He took 1 200x dose for 4 successive nights. And that was it.

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At 02:48 AM 12/20/1999 -0600, you wrote:

>From: Chambers <mommabiker@...>

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>Yes, I'd also like to know what a nosode is...

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>On 19 Dec 1999 07:27:45 -0000 avanbeek@... writes:

>>From: avanbeek@...

>>

>>Can someone please explain the theory behind " nosodes " . Do they

>>typically work like vaccines, ingredients, dosage, etc? I was curious

>>if this would be a safer route to take if you wanted only to get one

>>of the vaccinations?

>

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Yes, I'd also like to know what a nosode is...

On 19 Dec 1999 07:27:45 -0000 avanbeek@... writes:

>From: avanbeek@...

>

>Can someone please explain the theory behind " nosodes " . Do they

>typically work like vaccines, ingredients, dosage, etc? I was curious

>if this would be a safer route to take if you wanted only to get one

>of the vaccinations?

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I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience. Homeopathy is not supposed to

be expensive - not from practitioners I know.

Homeopathy is only as good as the practitioner and I don't know who this

one was and there is no magic cure with homeopathy, I have just seen in

cure me of severe migraines that I'd had for 15 years and have seen it cure

lots of things that allopathic medicine couldn't cure. My homeopath

charged $85 for first visit, $5 for remedy and $35 for follow up and in 2

months I was cured.

I only share this information because of the numbers of people including

myself that I have seen it help and cure. Again, I'm sorry for your daughter.

Sheri

At 03:19 PM 03/06/2001 -0500, you wrote:

> From: Sheri Nakken <snakken@...>

>Subject: Re: Digest # 1453 (fevers)

>

>Regarding this -

>I spent MANY thousands of dollars taking my daughter to a VERY respected and

>extremely highly recomended homeopathic doctor. 18 months later my daughter

>still had debilitating arthritis and I had a LOT of debt that almost cost me

>my home. I have tried it. And I am remain hopeful that there will be cures.

>

> I have since offered the same " deal " to the many well intentioned

>practitioners who promised to " cure " my daughter of her arthritis. I told

>them, if they wanted to provide all the remedies UP FRONT, and keep track of

>all costs - when my daughter was cured I would anti up ALL expenses and

>MORE, and they could use our story as advertising to gain even further world

>acclaim, recognition and the undying gratitude of all those out there

>suffering from this terrible disease. Funny thing though - all of them seem

>to expect me to pay up front on trust - not one of them is willing to put

>their money and reputations on the line - despite their assurances that they

>can certainly cure her.

>

>Lynn

>

>>I'm not sure of homeopathic remedies, I hope someone else will answer that

>>for you. I know most of you on this board are against most medications, but

>>for myself personally - my daughter would have NO quality of life without

>>the medications she takes for her arthritis. She would endure permanent

>>joint damage and deformity, be in constant terrible pain, and be in a

>>wheelchair. I have looked extensively into diet, homeopathics and many other

>> " miracle " cures - the reality for us/her is that as bad as the meds she

>>needs are, and as scary as the long term side effects of the drugs - the

>>alternative is totally unpalatable to us.

>>

>>Lynn

>

>YOu certainly do what you have to do for your child in the long run.

>I also would encourage you to look into a quality homeopath. You really

>can't look into 'homeopathics' as an answer on your own. It is not a

>miracle cure but an actual system of medicine that has cured many people -

>and people find that hard to believe since there are few cures in

>allopathic medicine.

>Sheri

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Hi Kathy,

I can't get my 4yo to take homoeopathic pillules, so I simply dissolve them

in a glass of water. Work just as well. Leave to stand for a while so

nothing is visible. The energetic imprint of the remedy is left in the

water and still does its job.

HTH.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears " - Minquass proverb

> homeopathics

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> How important is it for these to be under the tongue? Re: 20 month old

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> Kathy

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dilute them in distilled water and give that way it is how i give to my 20 mo

old and she loves it she actually goes to get her remedy and brings it to me

when she isnt feeling well EX: teething, stomach ache or tired.

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Glad you are looking into this. And the pillules are just coated with the

remedy, so if they are under the tongue for a few seconds, really does the

trick too. Don't need to totally dissolve. They are only teh 'vehicle'

for the solution dripped on them

Sheri

At 02:25 AM 09/05/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi Kathy,

>

>I can't get my 4yo to take homoeopathic pillules, so I simply dissolve them

>in a glass of water. Work just as well. Leave to stand for a while so

>nothing is visible. The energetic imprint of the remedy is left in the

>water and still does its job.

>

>HTH.

>

>Love, light and peace,

>

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> How important is it for these to be under the tongue? Re: 20 month old

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> Kathy

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Hi Allie,

I bought into a deal thru Dolisos in my last year at school. They

sold me 15 ml bottles in 30C, 200C and 1M, of about 175 remedies, for I

think about $1.50 each. It was great because everything is labelled and

with droppers and there was no mess to fiddle with. Durr used to

contend that if you try pouring out all of your own stuff by going in

on a larger deal with someone, that you could potentially dose yourself

with a lot of the remedies. maybe so, i don't know, I know that having

the stuff already bottled was a lot easier. The down side is that the

more I've learned from DT and anthroposophy, the more I'm wishing I had

lower potency remedies as well. I like what Zeff does. He doesn't use

liquid remedies, because evidently in the past Boiron bought up all the

pellets in the world and cornered the market on them, making pellets

near impossible to get. May be he'd use liquid today, at any rate, the

system he's bought into is just to buy the homeopathic pellets from

Boiron, in 6c and 12C and so on, and then make up a liquid remedy FROM

them, putting 2-3 pellets in a bottle and succussing it to make

essentially a 7C or a 13C potency, and so forth. i thought that was a

clever approach, as one bottle of pellets will last you quite awhile on

these terms. I'm thinking that's how I'll solve the problem of gettiing

my loower potencies economically. They don't take up much space this

way either. For my bottles, I essentially made some mouse bleachers

and drilled a lot of holes in them to fit all the bottles on tiered

shelves, that I've labelled in the front. It's fairly compact, but

still, 500 some bottles is a lot of little bits to fool with. Hope this

helps..........o

On Jan 10, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Allisa Tanzer wrote:

> Hello.

> I am looking for the most efficient/cost-effective way to build my

> homeopathic medicinary.  I would like to order liquid remedies and

> make my own pellets.  I am wondering what all of you did and what good

> deals or ways there are to do so.  Any suggestions would be

> fantastic.  Thanks.

>  

> Allie Tanzer ND

> Seaside, OR

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Hello all and I order blanc pellets from Dolisos all the time and 1/2 oz bottles of what ever remedy I need at what ever potency I need. Take care White Ct.

Re: Homeopathics

Hi Allie,I bought into a deal thru Dolisos in my last year at school. They sold me 15 ml bottles in 30C, 200C and 1M, of about 175 remedies, for I think about $1.50 each. It was great because everything is labelled and with droppers and there was no mess to fiddle with. Durr used to contend that if you try pouring out all of your own stuff by going in on a larger deal with someone, that you could potentially dose yourself with a lot of the remedies. maybe so, i don't know, I know that having the stuff already bottled was a lot easier. The down side is that the more I've learned from DT and anthroposophy, the more I'm wishing I had lower potency remedies as well. I like what Zeff does. He doesn't use liquid remedies, because evidently in the past Boiron bought up all the pellets in the world and cornered the market on them, making pellets near impossible to get. May be he'd use liquid today, at any rate, the system he's bought into is just to buy the homeopathic pellets from Boiron, in 6c and 12C and so on, and then make up a liquid remedy FROM them, putting 2-3 pellets in a bottle and succussing it to make essentially a 7C or a 13C potency, and so forth. i thought that was a clever approach, as one bottle of pellets will last you quite awhile on these terms. I'm thinking that's how I'll solve the problem of gettiing my loower potencies economically. They don't take up much space this way either. For my bottles, I essentially made some mouse bleachers and drilled a lot of holes in them to fit all the bottles on tiered shelves, that I've labelled in the front. It's fairly compact, but still, 500 some bottles is a lot of little bits to fool with. Hope this helps..........oOn Jan 10, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Allisa Tanzer wrote:

Hello.I am looking for the most efficient/cost-effective way to build my homeopathic medicinary. I would like to order liquid remedies and make my own pellets. I am wondering what all of you did and what good deals or ways there are to do so. Any suggestions would be fantastic. Thanks. Allie Tanzer NDSeaside, OR

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Allisa,

You may have already ordered your remedies, but I thought I'd let you know about this anyway. Hahnemann Laboratories has a deal where you get a full set of their most frequently ordered remedies in nice storage cases. They are premedicated pellets, not liquids, but you get many different potencies. There is a choice of 120 or 240 different remedies. You pay a deposit for the whole kit (I believe around $400), and basically keep it on consignment. You keep a list of what remedies you use then when the page is full (44 remedies), you send in the page along with $400. Then they send you replacements for the 44 remedies that you have used. A pretty good deal!

They call this the "Quinn Dispensing Kit". They can be reached at (888) 427-6422, or www.Hahnemannlabs.com

All the best, Sharif, ND

Bellevue, WA----- Original Message -----From: "Allisa Tanzer" Subject: HomeopathicsDate: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:34:31 -0500

Hello.

I am looking for the most efficient/cost-effective way to build my homeopathic medicinary. I would like to order liquid remedies and make my own pellets. I am wondering what all of you did and what good deals or ways there are to do so. Any suggestions would be fantastic. Thanks.

Allie Tanzer ND

Seaside, OR

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Bee,

You stated , " Homeopathic drops won't help. "

Please understand that anything i say on this topic , in no way shape or form

displays any disrespect for you. I have a question. Why would you say

homeopathics dont do anything? Have you done any studies on it and have you ever

experienced the modality?

I do not believe in using certain homeopathics that contain alcohol ( unless the

alcohol is cooked out of it), sugar etc. But there are homeopahtics that do not

contain anything but the energetics and water.

Ive used homeopathics for 8 years on my son and myself with success. I was very

skeptical about them in the beginning , but I was in a position where the DAN!

docs made my son worse with chelation and drugs. Medical docs from his insurance

company had nothing to offer either. So , in desperation I turned to herbals and

homeopathics.

I have seen MANY retracing symptoms in my son over the years when using his

energetic detox program. You could argue its his diet for he has been strictly

clean for 8 years. But Every time I start a program on him or use homeopathics I

see it working and I see the detox symptoms.

I broke my arm recently. I did not use any pain medicine. The doctor was floored

that I was walking around with a broken arm and did not desire pain meds. I took

arnica. I have used arnica for years when working out heavy with weights. It

works. Also My left leg was bruised on my entire thigh from the fall. The

doctors and nurses could not believe my bruise healed so darn fast.

Years ago I put myself on a detox program using the same homeopathic my son

uses. The very first day I used the parasite detox I had such bad diarrhea I had

to stay inside for three days and I had to wear a diaper. I could not get to the

toilet fast enough, had no stomach upset. My body just flooded out some nasty

thing that was brewing up in there.

There are many more stories with me and my family, but also I know many more

people that we share info about this topic.

In the case of some of these autistic children, there immune system is taxed as

much as a cancer patients system and sometimes worse. In the event that the

child is so unhealthy diet is very good and number one key, but there is a

window of time to work under to repair the damage to the brain. Although older

people will benefit from diet always it still stands to reason the earlier we

catch the children the better it is. I do believe in some cases diet is not

enough to repair and the a gentle detox program is warranted. I also would

thing it would help people who are not autistic but very ill. People like to ask

if they can skip the diet and just do the detox. i always say no. They have to

be done together otherwise you get back to square one.

So Im just curious what makes you think homeopathics have no value.

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> Bee,

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> You stated , " Homeopathic drops won't help. "

>

> Please understand that anything i say on this topic , in no way shape or form

displays any disrespect for you. I have a question. Why would you say

homeopathics dont do anything? Have you done any studies on it and have you ever

experienced the modality?

++, sometimes homeopathics do help, but in the situation I was

responding to I didn't think they would.

Bee

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I am tempted to bite my tongue....

For those interested, read how most homeopathic medications are prepared, through MANY dilutions of the original, until it is hard to find one molecule of the original stuff.

In a message dated 7/23/2010 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rhudy@... writes:

You claimed yourself that homeopathics are not necessarily "effective."So, if you think they're not effective, then how can they do any harm?Homeopathic remedies are so diluted that often there is not a singlemolecule of the original substance left in the pills. The theory behindhomeopathy is that water has a memory. Some just call them sugar pills,and think they're not efficacious. They are not one millionth the dangerof conventional drugs, so there should be no interactions. Chuck, give usa specific case, if you can. I bet it'll be hard to find. I justresearched this, and the FDA does indeed regulate them. Of course, alwaysknow what you're doing, consult a pharmacist or nutritionist, and don'ttrust a mom-and-pop type company. But a company such as Boiron(http://www.boironusa.com), which is all over the world, has a great dealof integrity. Here is a page from wikipedia describing what homeopathyis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomeopathyHere are some FAQs from another highly reputable company, Hyland's.http://hylands.com/faq/faq.phpSome say it's just a placebo effect, but I know that the pills work well.The Queen of England, who is pushing 90, I know is an aficianado ofhomeopathy, as was her mother.EllenChuck Knull wrote:> Homeopathics are not necessarily safe. Or effective. They were> grandfathered from FDA drug regulation back in 1993 because, in a> nutshell, they were listed in a book of homeopathic remedies and had> been around for a while. (I deal with FDA issues as a lawyer)>> A lot of them work and have been studied, but you have to be sure that> they will not interract with other intake the same as anything else put> in the body.>> Chuck Knull

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Nevertheless, they do work. There's something to be said about the

energy that gets into the final product.................I guess I'm speaking

to deaf ears, but I'm all about energy vis-a-vis health. It's all

about quantum physics.

Ellen

jb50192@... wrote:

I

am tempted to bite my tongue.... For

those interested, read how most homeopathic medications are prepared, through

MANY dilutions of the original, until it is hard to find one molecule of

the original stuff. In

a message dated 7/23/2010 12:27:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rhudy@...

writes:

You

claimed yourself that homeopathics are not necessarily "effective."

So, if you think

they're not effective, then how can they do any harm?

Homeopathic

remedies are so diluted that often there is not a single

molecule of

the original substance left in the pills. The theory behind

homeopathy is

that water has a memory. Some just call them sugar pills,

and think they're

not efficacious. They are not one millionth the danger

of conventional

drugs, so there should be no interactions. Chuck, give us

a specific case,

if you can. I bet it'll be hard to find. I just

researched this,

and the FDA does indeed regulate them. Of course, always

know what you're

doing, consult a pharmacist or nutritionist, and don't

trust a mom-and-pop

type company. But a company such as Boiron

(http://www.boironusa.com),

which is all over the world, has a great deal

of integrity.

Here is a page from wikipedia describing what homeopathy

is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

Here are some

FAQs from another highly reputable company, Hyland's.

http://hylands.com/faq/faq.php

Some say it's

just a placebo effect, but I know that the pills work well.

The Queen of

England, who is pushing 90, I know is an aficianado of

homeopathy,

as was her mother.

Ellen

Ch

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Oh come on .. energy / quantum physics .. from a 19th century form of treatment.

Let's move on and save this for the alternative site, in my humble opinion.

Lynn

>

> Nevertheless, they do work. There's something to be said about the

> energy that gets into the final product.................I guess I'm

> speaking to deaf ears, but I'm all about energy vis-a-vis health. It's

> all about quantum physics.

> Ellen

>

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Our bodies have electricity, otherwise why would docs do ELECTROcardiograms

(EKGs), and ELECTROencephalograms (EEGs)? Every molecule in our bodies has

protons,

neutrons, and ELECTRONS. Without electrical energies in our bodies, we'd be

dead. Electricity=energy in our bodies. As for quantum physics, I'm afraid

it's

over the heads of 95% of people who don't know about it and haven't studied it.

I recently had a very, very interesting conversation about quantum physics with

Dr. Joe Lucas, a physicist, who is also one of the scientists who invented the

FISH test. We've been corresponding for years. It's very real. Not 19th

century

at all, more like 22nd century. More about this field is being learned all the

time.

Ellen

lynnb65 wrote:

> Oh come on .. energy / quantum physics .. from a 19th century form of

treatment. Let's move on and save this for the alternative site, in my humble

opinion.

>

> Lynn

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> > Nevertheless, they do work. There's something to be said about the

> > energy that gets into the final product.................I guess I'm

> > speaking to deaf ears, but I'm all about energy vis-a-vis health. It's

> > all about quantum physics.

> > Ellen

> >

>

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Exactly why I totally hate the idea of MRI's. Get all your electrons going

one way and then slam the brakes on. LOL The Moody Blues had a song that

spoke about ones " magnetic ink " .

30 years ago I had a conversation with a gal about how light carries memory.

You know how when you look up in the sky the stars have already moved or

maybe they are not even there anymore. For whatever reason she burst out in

tears and demanded I not say any more. She could not mentally handle the

science.

Many many years ago they use-to-use leaches, then it was totally disregarded

for any benefit, now they are used in come cases to debris wounds. May be

other uses too but I don't care to know about them. I can say that grosses

me totally out. My point is we never know. Look what happened when that

apple fell out of the tree and hit Newton on the head. ) Not one of us on

this list is not hoping and wishing and praying for SOME cure and real fast

and soon. I don't care where it comes from as long as it gets here.

Dana

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Ellen .. of course electricity is present in our bodies as energy and the

potential for energy. I was only commenting about HOMEOPATHY and its not clear

connection to the grand notions of energy and quantum physics. And, please,

let's not drag this forum any further into our discussion. I respect beliefs, I

respect science. In my world, they are different. If your belief in homeopathy

brings you peace of mind and promotes health for you, then that is good for you.

End of story for me.

>

> Our bodies have electricity, otherwise why would docs do ELECTROcardiograms

(EKGs), and ELECTROencephalograms (EEGs)? Every molecule in our bodies has

protons,

> neutrons, and ELECTRONS. Without electrical energies in our bodies, we'd be

dead. Electricity=energy in our bodies. As for quantum physics, I'm afraid

it's

> over the heads of 95% of people who don't know about it and haven't studied

it. I recently had a very, very interesting conversation about quantum physics

with

> Dr. Joe Lucas, a physicist, who is also one of the scientists who invented the

FISH test. We've been corresponding for years. It's very real. Not 19th

century

> at all, more like 22nd century. More about this field is being learned all

the time.

> Ellen

>

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Once again we're cluttering e-mails with things that aren't relative to 95% of the people on this list serve

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Ellen <rhudy@...> wrote:

 

Our bodies have electricity, otherwise why would docs do ELECTROcardiograms (EKGs), and ELECTROencephalograms (EEGs)? Every molecule in our bodies has protons,neutrons, and ELECTRONS. Without electrical energies in our bodies, we'd be dead. Electricity=energy in our bodies. As for quantum physics, I'm afraid it's

over the heads of 95% of people who don't know about it and haven't studied it. I recently had a very, very interesting conversation about quantum physics withDr. Joe Lucas, a physicist, who is also one of the scientists who invented the FISH test. We've been corresponding for years. It's very real. Not 19th century

at all, more like 22nd century. More about this field is being learned all the time.Ellenlynnb65 wrote:> Oh come on .. energy / quantum physics .. from a 19th century form of treatment. Let's move on and save this for the alternative site, in my humble opinion.

>> Lynn >> > >> > Nevertheless, they do work. There's something to be said about the

> > energy that gets into the final product.................I guess I'm> > speaking to deaf ears, but I'm all about energy vis-a-vis health. It's> > all about quantum physics.> > Ellen

> >>

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I also respect science. Science is my bedrock. But there's much we do not

know.

Ellen

lynnb65 wrote:

> Ellen .. of course electricity is present in our bodies as energy and the

potential for energy. I was only commenting about HOMEOPATHY and its not clear

connection to the grand notions of energy and quantum physics. And, please,

let's not drag this forum any further into our discussion. I respect beliefs, I

respect science. In my world, they are different. If your belief in homeopathy

brings you peace of mind and promotes health for you, then that is good for you.

End of story for me.

>

>

> >

> > Our bodies have electricity, otherwise why would docs do ELECTROcardiograms

(EKGs), and ELECTROencephalograms (EEGs)? Every molecule in our bodies has

protons,

> > neutrons, and ELECTRONS. Without electrical energies in our bodies, we'd be

dead. Electricity=energy in our bodies. As for quantum physics, I'm afraid

it's

> > over the heads of 95% of people who don't know about it and haven't studied

it. I recently had a very, very interesting conversation about quantum physics

with

> > Dr. Joe Lucas, a physicist, who is also one of the scientists who invented

the FISH test. We've been corresponding for years. It's very real. Not 19th

century

> > at all, more like 22nd century. More about this field is being learned all

the time.

> > Ellen