head lice

[Guest guest]

Sharen,

Neem oil is said to work really well without using any chemicals.

Joyce

Subject: head lice

>Does anyone have a natural lice cure? We are really having a big problem

with it here and the stuff we are buying in the drug store is not working.

Please help if you can. Sharen

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I am responding to your plea about addressing conflicting advice in primary

care. A health visitor in North Tyneside, Olley, had done some work

around this. He developed a file box with parents frequently asked

questions with the evidence -based advice sheets that were meant to be used

with the health professionals concerned. All local surgeries and clinics

were supplied with the box. The advice sheets were clearly and attractively

presented. If you would like to hear first hand how these were developed he

can be emailed on Olley@... He is also a presenter at the

conference of Primary Care in Birmingham on May 10th and 11th (I think I've

got the dates right!)

Head Lice

> Following a recent workshop I facilitated at a local primary school

> on the topic of headlice, I am now questioning the local policy

> guidelines. I had no hesitation in accepting the invitation because

> as a nurse prescriber I was well aware of the prevention, diagnosis

> and treatments for headlice ( as stated in the Tayside Health Board

> Policy 1999) but the session raised some interesting points which I

> didn't have answers for.

>

> Parents showed concern about the use of toxic chemicals (something

> which causes me anxiety), but how effective are these treatments -

> the parents reported many cases of apparant resistance. Parents

> remain unclear of the correct methods of detection, despite each

> schoolchild being issued with clear instructions. Non-chemical

> methods are being adopted, for example, tea-tree oil and bug busting

> strategies, but I was unaware of any evidence supporting their use.

> Primary health care professionals continue to give contradicting

> advice and treatment, pharmacists suggest one thing, GP's another and

> teachers, social workers appear to have their own opinions.

>

> I have since examined the literature and note that Cochrane Review

> (2001) examined 70 RCT's but included only 3 that met their selection

> criteria and they were looking at chemical treatments. There does

> not appear to be a methodologically sound RCT comparing chemical

> treatments (2 applications, 7 days apart) with physical methods of

> head lice removal (bug busting). There have been some interesting

> articles written and innovations happening but it is apparant there

> is a lack of evidence.

>

> I would be interested in other practitioners comments, what are your

> local guidelines, are you comfortable with them, do you know of or

> are you involved in any current RCT's examining the effectiveness of

> bug busting. Also I am interested in how to address conflicting

> advice within primary care and across disciplines - does anyone know

> of any research undertaken in this area - in particular, common

> childhood illnesses and the practice of evidence-based child health.

>

> I look forward to your replies.

> Burton

> Health Visitor

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[Guest guest]

Dear Cath,

Have just seen your message and by coincidence Sally Kendall

and I were discussing this topic this afternoon! I think the

questions you raise are fascinating. As you say many authorities

have gone over to bug busting. When I was in Hull that was the

approach of the Trust but there were also protests from local

parents reported in the local paper about the lack of school nurses

to undertake nit sessions. Perhaps if there are no trials comparing

the different approaches then this is one on which the combined

strength of SENATE could collaborate - at least there must be a

huge population out there to sample from! Seriously, as it appears

that child health is high on the agenda again it could be an area for

us all to work on.

Thanks for raising the subject, Ros

[Guest guest]

I am afraid that I have extensvie family experience of nits! bug busting in

school didn't work although it was tried on several occasions. The failure

was attributed jto parents not being careful enough in following the

directions given (not that there was any victim blaming going on...). We

finally got rid of them when we used chemicals I'm afraid. I have a feeling

that Leeds public health did some work on bug busting and found it

ineffective, but I have never seen it published.

R.M.Bryar@... wrote:

> Dear Cath,

>

> Have just seen your message and by coincidence Sally Kendall

> and I were discussing this topic this afternoon! I think the

> questions you raise are fascinating. As you say many authorities

> have gone over to bug busting. When I was in Hull that was the

> approach of the Trust but there were also protests from local

> parents reported in the local paper about the lack of school nurses

> to undertake nit sessions. Perhaps if there are no trials comparing

> the different approaches then this is one on which the combined

> strength of SENATE could collaborate - at least there must be a

> huge population out there to sample from! Seriously, as it appears

> that child health is high on the agenda again it could be an area for

> us all to work on.

>

> Thanks for raising the subject, Ros

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In my experience any woman with children in the Uk has extensive

experience of head lice - like local school provision its the sort of

topic you can have a conversation about in any gathering with other

women with children including those you ve never met before

(like waiting for the bus, checkouts at supermarkets etc etc ).

I think , ,you are refering to the welsh study in the Lancet

last August (Comparison of wet combing with malathion for treatment

of head lice in ,the UK: a pragmatic randomised controlled trial .R J

, , D Casey, D A and M Petrovic vol 355, 9206 p819 -

fairly damning on wet-combing) together with the commentary (same

issue page 523 ) It raises all sorts of interesting questions -

not least some basic science issues about pesticides ,

organo-phosphates and children .

My own view on dealing with head lice relates to my view of most

evidence based health care that is the evidence from

research/RCTs/professional experience/life helps

us(patients/professionals /service users) make choices in

particular individual and community circumstances but there is rarely

an absolute right way for everyone . So its good to hear about the

info. sheets put together that reports on. Certainly the

BugBusters web site has helpful info. tho' not the whole picture.

Some of the questions/issues that never get mentioned in the

professional press are

a. the number of woman hours that has to go into successfully bug

busting even one child - what chance any women with more than one

child ? or a child who is already known as unable to sit still for 5

minutes let alone the time it takes to wet-comb ? or a child who

has long , curly hair .

b. best strategies for different communities (e.g play group/

class/school) to work on reducing volume of infestation and length of

infestations - (anyone know of work on length of infestations in

particular communities -using different strategies? )I know of one

London fee paying school that excludes any child with head lice until

treated with insecticide and a state primary that used to get parents

to take children out if staff noticed any sign of infestation.

c. on the lighter side - those requisite social skills for parent and

child - such as coping with the public humiliation of being sent out

of a hairdressers because the hairdresser has observed white nit

shells and cant be persuaded these are from an old infestation as they

are inches down the hair and you had not spotted them before in your

independent minded childs mop.

I could go on ....

Vari

>

> > Dear Cath,

> >

> > Have just seen your message and by coincidence Sally Kendall

> > and I were discussing this topic this afternoon! I think the

> > questions you raise are fascinating. As you say many authorities

> > have gone over to bug busting. When I was in Hull that was the

> > approach of the Trust but there were also protests from local

> > parents reported in the local paper about the lack of school

nurses

> > to undertake nit sessions. Perhaps if there are no trials

comparing

> > the different approaches then this is one on which the combined

> > strength of SENATE could collaborate - at least there must be a

> > huge population out there to sample from! Seriously, as it

appears

> > that child health is high on the agenda again it could be an area

for

> > us all to work on.

> >

> > Thanks for raising the subject, Ros

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear

I have found one relevant randomised, blinded controlled trial with a

follow up at 7 days after completion. This shows that children with head

lice who were treated with bug busting were more likely to have live lice 7

days after treatment than children treated with malathion lotion.

The reference is :

RJ, Casey D, DA, et al. 'Comparison of wet combing with

malathion for treatment of head lice in the UK : a pragmatic randomised

controlled trial. Lancet 2000 Aug 12; 356;540-4.

Hope this helps

Malone

[Guest guest]

Haven't got all the details to hand but there is research being done to look

at effectiveness of bug busting.

However, government funding to community hygiene concern is currently in

jeopardy.

I am a School Nurse and have, in the past, tried various methods of educating

parents and children (although it is often the professionals who are not

giving consistently advice leading to parents being encouraged to use

chemical treatments far too frequently and when lice have not been detected

onlyeggs)

Oh no, this is the first time I have responded to an email from SENATE

(although I have been enjoying reading the debates for some time) and I have

fallen into the trap of head lice-school nurse! It's just that I had a big

query about it at a school today.

Nicky

[Guest guest]

Delighted to hear from you Nicky. Head lice may not be life-threatening, but

they are a major concern so thank Goodness school nurses are continuing to take

them seriously. As the discussions show, it is not a simple matter!

princesroadbjs@... wrote:

> Haven't got all the details to hand but there is research being done to look

> at effectiveness of bug busting.

> However, government funding to community hygiene concern is currently in

> jeopardy.

> I am a School Nurse and have, in the past, tried various methods of educating

> parents and children (although it is often the professionals who are not

> giving consistently advice leading to parents being encouraged to use

> chemical treatments far too frequently and when lice have not been detected

> onlyeggs)

> Oh no, this is the first time I have responded to an email from SENATE

> (although I have been enjoying reading the debates for some time) and I have

> fallen into the trap of head lice-school nurse! It's just that I had a big

> query about it at a school today.

> Nicky

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Malone,

Did you used to work with the CPHVA?

Ruth Grant

Malone wrote:

> Dear

>

> I have found one relevant randomised, blinded controlled trial with a

> follow up at 7 days after completion. This shows that children with head

> lice who were treated with bug busting were more likely to have live lice 7

> days after treatment than children treated with malathion lotion.

>

> The reference is :

>

> RJ, Casey D, DA, et al. 'Comparison of wet combing with

> malathion for treatment of head lice in the UK : a pragmatic randomised

> controlled trial. Lancet 2000 Aug 12; 356;540-4.

>

> Hope this helps

>

> Malone

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ruth

Although I have been involved with SIGET I have never worked at the CPHVA.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/12/03 5:14:22 PM Central Standard Time,

earthfinds@... writes:

> Well, I must admit - you learn something new everyday.

> So " CLEAN " hair attracts bugs and dirty hair doesn't.

>

>

AAAAAAAACCKKK, ok, going to scrub some mud in my daughter's hair! Two kids

in the kindergarten class next to hers were sent home with lice this week!

Kay, Stoli and Queso

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/14/03 8:03:34 PM Central Standard Time,

Jane.Caleo@... writes:

> To be brief, one thing they did find out was that the hair that had been

> conditioned after washing did not seem to attract the lice.

Oh good, has very fine curly hair so we always condition so we can

comb through it!

Kay, Stoli and Queso

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[Guest guest]

Hi All,

My daughter (med student) worked with an associate professor who was studying

head lice.

We live in North Queensland Australia & head lice are a big problem here in

the tropics, plague proportions, they thrive.

To be brief, one thing they did find out was that the hair that had been

conditioned after washing did not seem to attract the lice. This they concluded,

was the coating the conditioner put on the hair, it made it difficult for the

lice to get a grip on the hair; this hair was too much trouble so they were not

interested & no doubt jumped to another head.

Friends of mine whose daughters hair was long & used a detangler also had the

same results - my daughter said that it had the same effect as conditioner,

naturally. As my daughter's hair was long when she was at school I always

conditioner her hair & sometimes I would find 1 or 2 eggs but nothing more,

could never understand why this was until her time with this doctor, then it

made sense.

Hope this all helps you in some way, even if it is in a little way.

They might even have a site on this & if you are interested I think you might be

able to find it by doing a search of head lice - Tropical Medicine - North

Queensland, Australia, Cook University, Associate Professor Rick Speare.

Cheers

Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi Green,

I run a child care business and I have come across this a couple of times. 1st

thing I do is mayonnaise up the head, and wrap it with plastic wrap, 2nt. sleep

over night with it on head. 3 rd. shampoo then dry. 4 th. zap it with a

electronic lice zapper. This worked perfect for my son. I have also used all

natural product over the counter at a health food store. Make sure to vacuum and

wash all bedding.

Laurie

head lice

Can anyone suggest an effective holistic treatment for head lice?

I don't trust the long-term safety of over-the-counter products like

Rid that contain pyrethrins and piperonyl butoxide, though I've

used them in the past and found them effective in eliminating lice

infestations.

I " seem to remember " a recommendation for lice treatment on list

some months past, but the archive search engine is no help, serving

up posts unrelated to lice.

Green

[Guest guest]

Hi Green,

I run a child care business and I have come across this a couple of times. 1st

thing I do is mayonnaise up the head, and wrap it with plastic wrap, 2nt. sleep

over night with it on head. 3 rd. shampoo then dry. 4 th. zap it with a

electronic lice zapper. This worked perfect for my son. I have also used all

natural product over the counter at a health food store. Make sure to vacuum and

wash all bedding.

Laurie

head lice

Can anyone suggest an effective holistic treatment for head lice?

I don't trust the long-term safety of over-the-counter products like

Rid that contain pyrethrins and piperonyl butoxide, though I've

used them in the past and found them effective in eliminating lice

infestations.

I " seem to remember " a recommendation for lice treatment on list

some months past, but the archive search engine is no help, serving

up posts unrelated to lice.

Green

[Guest guest]

Tea tree oil kills head lice and melts the eggs, so no re-infestation.

jim

> Can anyone suggest an effective holistic treatment for head lice?

> I don't trust the long-term safety of over-the-counter products like

> Rid that contain pyrethrins and piperonyl butoxide, though I've

> used them in the past and found them effective in eliminating lice

> infestations.

>

> I " seem to remember " a recommendation for lice treatment on list

> some months past, but the archive search engine is no help, serving

> up posts unrelated to lice.

>

> G

[Guest guest]

I forgot to mention that I use to put 1 drop of pure tea tree oil per ounce of

shampoo for preventative care, someone I knew told me lice didn't like it. This

is the first I've ever heard of using straight Tea Tree Oil. Thanks for the

information.

Laurie

head lice

Go to the health food store. Buy a bottle of Tea Tree Oil. Wash the hair.

Apply the tea tree oil. Soak for 10 to 15 minutes. Comb out the hair with a

nit comb. Repeat this again in seven day. I found that after I did this I

found no more nasty bugs.

Harriet

[Guest guest]

dear green,

neem tree oil is also effective on lice. it smells so awful, all lice run

away. no, seriously. mix the neem oil with another oil 1:3 and put it all

over the head.leave it in over night, wash the hair next day. put another

smelly load of oil in, leave on over night. that should solve the problem.

when mixing styrax with the oil, it kills the lice, rather their eggs

faster.

good luck. also good luck wit the dog.

if nothing can be found in south africa, i will send a small bottle.okay?

marlene

head lice

> Can anyone suggest an effective holistic treatment for head lice?

> I don't trust the long-term safety of over-the-counter products like

> Rid that contain pyrethrins and piperonyl butoxide, though I've

> used them in the past and found them effective in eliminating lice

> infestations.

>

> I " seem to remember " a recommendation for lice treatment on list

> some months past, but the archive search engine is no help, serving

> up posts unrelated to lice.

>

> Green

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

dear green,

neem tree oil is also effective on lice. it smells so awful, all lice run

away. no, seriously. mix the neem oil with another oil 1:3 and put it all

over the head.leave it in over night, wash the hair next day. put another

smelly load of oil in, leave on over night. that should solve the problem.

when mixing styrax with the oil, it kills the lice, rather their eggs

faster.

good luck. also good luck wit the dog.

if nothing can be found in south africa, i will send a small bottle.okay?

marlene

head lice

> Can anyone suggest an effective holistic treatment for head lice?

> I don't trust the long-term safety of over-the-counter products like

> Rid that contain pyrethrins and piperonyl butoxide, though I've

> used them in the past and found them effective in eliminating lice

> infestations.

>

> I " seem to remember " a recommendation for lice treatment on list

> some months past, but the archive search engine is no help, serving

> up posts unrelated to lice.

>

> Green

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear green,

I know of several moms who have used ozonated olive oil.

One application was sufficient, followed by shampooing.

If you do an ozonetherapy list search it should come up.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: " green1 " <green1@...>

Reply-oxyplus

<oxyplus >

Subject: head lice

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:07:39 -0700

Can anyone suggest an effective holistic treatment for head lice?

I don't trust the long-term safety of over-the-counter products like

Rid that contain pyrethrins and piperonyl butoxide, though I've

used them in the past and found them effective in eliminating lice

infestations.

I " seem to remember " a recommendation for lice treatment on list

some months past, but the archive search engine is no help, serving

up posts unrelated to lice.

Green

[Guest guest]

-

A much healthier alternative to mayo! Thanks Bruce I used mayo

years ago...this was long before I knew of the wonderful uses of

coconut oil. Caitlin Lorraine

-- In Coconut Oil , " Bruce Fife "

<bruce@p...> wrote:

> In India they have a relatively simple cure for head lice. They rub

coconut oil in the hair.

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

Just an idea, but I remember when I was a kid I got head lice when it was going around.. and I was just thinking, (not sure if it has anything to do with it), but I also always had big issues with getting bit by mosquitos.. I grew up outside Chicago and there were lots of mosquitos and things around the softball diamonds I used to play on, but the strange thing was, nobody else was getting bit anywhere near as much as I was.. also, my sister and other family members did not have these issues I did... it was like, if there was one mosquito in the whole park, it would come seek me out! Well, I was a pretty hardcore athlete at the time (maybe even more than the other girls I knew, I went on to play pro-baseball ) and so I was constantly eating warm energy type foods to keep my energy high for playing sports and being very active, etc.. So I think these bugs and lice could be attracted to the heat in a persons body... And perhaps kids in general could have particularly warm bodies as they may like to be active and play a lot etc, so they have high energy and not like to sleep as much and eat salads and cucmbers ... so they may be more out of balance on the hot blooded side, which may attract the mites..

Speaking of extreme working out/pro-athlete types, I think it also threw my hormones off and I had skin trouble too.. its the excess body heat.. I guess it can be fun and is a choice to be professionally involved, but I don't think extreme working out is natural or good for you... Now as an adult, I am doing other things ofcourse, but have a more balanced life physically and with diet, etc.. And my QXCI helps keep me in check ... So I feel as healthy as ever!

Maggie Moline

maggie@...

-----Original Message-----From: & Lyndal Coon [mailto:ybs@...]Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 4:52 AMqxci-english Subject: Head Lice

Howdy All,

I have been asked a question about Head Lice and why they like some members of a family and not others, even though they have the same hygiene habits, diet, etc... the family in question have 3 children, two have regularly had Head Lice, whilst the other none.

I recall hearing something about the liver being involved. Does anyone know of this or can elaborate why some do and some don't, is it liver function, vitamin deficiency, or what ????

Any suggestions or feedback, especially on prevention would be most welcomed. Thanks in advance.

ybs@...

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[Guest guest]

In terms of prevention, regarding the thoughts I was saying about the excess body heat -To help the problem I would then try eating more balanced diet with more cooler foods perhaps - like salads, cucumbers, watermelon, etc.. and run programs to balance mental/emotional as that would help calm them down to not want to go hyper with the energy foods and then heat, etc.. (Oh yeah, I also was ADD but it seems to be in control now.. but that type of hyper issue in the mind may contribute to the whole situation.. so maybe running the ADD programs would also help bring them into balance.. and so not to attract so much lice and things..)

I am not sure I have read any studies or things about my thoughts here, so I can't say for sure, but just thought I would share my personal experience and conclusions for me

Maggie Moline

maggie@...

-----Original Message-----From: & Lyndal Coon [mailto:ybs@...]Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 4:52 AMqxci-english Subject: Head Lice

Howdy All,

I have been asked a question about Head Lice and why they like some members of a family and not others, even though they have the same hygiene habits, diet, etc... the family in question have 3 children, two have regularly had Head Lice, whilst the other none.

I recall hearing something about the liver being involved. Does anyone know of this or can elaborate why some do and some don't, is it liver function, vitamin deficiency, or what ????

Any suggestions or feedback, especially on prevention would be most welcomed. Thanks in advance.

ybs@...

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

we too had a problem with head lice when our daughter started school. Parasites on the outside mean they have internal parasites. We zapped all the top worms and autozap top 12. Then we tried all the natural products for extermination of the external parasites and nothing worked. Finally we were advised to use Frontline for Cats its a anti parasite. One dose at the top of the head and we have now been headlice free for 6 months.

Nana

Head Lice

Howdy All,

I have been asked a question about Head Lice and why they like some members of a family and not others, even though they have the same hygiene habits, diet, etc... the family in question have 3 children, two have regularly had Head Lice, whilst the other none.

I recall hearing something about the liver being involved. Does anyone know of this or can elaborate why some do and some don't, is it liver function, vitamin deficiency, or what ????

Any suggestions or feedback, especially on prevention would be most welcomed. Thanks in advance.

ybs@...

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[Guest guest]

The issue wether genetic, blood, pathogens or whatever is very interesting but time consuming ( I didnot think yet of a clue; I think chromosomes, AND blood, at least ), but a tiny little tea tree oil in the last shampoo twice a week as a maintenance dose will do fine as a preventative against lice . As a treatment take some more drops. Noel

Head Lice

Howdy All,

I have been asked a question about Head Lice and why they like some members of a family and not others, even though they have the same hygiene habits, diet, etc... the family in question have 3 children, two have regularly had Head Lice, whilst the other none.

I recall hearing something about the liver being involved. Does anyone know of this or can elaborate why some do and some don't, is it liver function, vitamin deficiency, or what ????

Any suggestions or feedback, especially on prevention would be most welcomed. Thanks in advance.

ybs@...

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