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, low iron even with the vitamins Rocky has us taking? What did

your doctor suggest, does the doctor know you are already taking 3 vitamins

with iron?????

Re: LOW hemoglobin

I also have low iron (that is the same, right?).. Why would this be? I

have never had low iron and I am not losing as much blood, due to less

and less periods (I am going thru menopause)...I do bruise easily now

that I think about it... I also have more problems with arthritis in my

joints, I am just 41 and seem to be aging rapidly!! I am glad it is

while

I am getting skinnier!!! I need 1 lb to break the 200 barrier and be

199!!! If I have to hook the old hoover vaccum up to me and perform

home

lipo, I will get that 16 oz off me!!!

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:26:18 -0400 ~k~ <kacherra@...> writes:

> hi all,

>

> Got my results from my 6 ms check up and everything seems fine

> except that

> i have low hemoglobin.......i know we have some nurses

> here.......when i

> called in to get my results the nurse was on another line so i

> havent

> spoken with anyone yet regarding this........ive emailed dr r until

> i can

> talk to my Dr (he was out of town and i had to see the PA-- sure

> wish peeps

> would let me know this at my drs office) im like the prodigy patient

> there

> lol.......he now has several people that are comin to him to have

> WLS and

> he tells them to talk to me.........a lady was there that was over

> 400 when

> i went in on friday and they girls when they found out what she was

> there

> for ....had her come to my room and talk to me........of course i

> have

> nothing but good things to say but i remind her that the surgery i

> had is

> not the same surgery ..she was going for an open RNY........but i

> can only

> talk bout my experiences so i did so........it was nice to share

> somethings

> with her......and she appreciated it......

> NEWAYZZZ,,

>

> LOW HEMOGLOBIN??? can any of you nurses share some light on

> this???

>

>

> I kinda figured something was up when i can press my finger against

> my skin

> and look back a few minutes later na di have a Dark bruise

> there........

>

>

>

>

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I also have low iron (that is the same, right?).. Why would this be? I

have never had low iron and I am not losing as much blood, due to less

and less periods (I am going thru menopause)...I do bruise easily now

that I think about it... I also have more problems with arthritis in my

joints, I am just 41 and seem to be aging rapidly!! I am glad it is while

I am getting skinnier!!! I need 1 lb to break the 200 barrier and be

199!!! If I have to hook the old hoover vaccum up to me and perform home

lipo, I will get that 16 oz off me!!!

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:26:18 -0400 ~k~ <kacherra@...> writes:

> hi all,

>

> Got my results from my 6 ms check up and everything seems fine

> except that

> i have low hemoglobin.......i know we have some nurses

> here.......when i

> called in to get my results the nurse was on another line so i

> havent

> spoken with anyone yet regarding this........ive emailed dr r until

> i can

> talk to my Dr (he was out of town and i had to see the PA-- sure

> wish peeps

> would let me know this at my drs office) im like the prodigy patient

> there

> lol.......he now has several people that are comin to him to have

> WLS and

> he tells them to talk to me.........a lady was there that was over

> 400 when

> i went in on friday and they girls when they found out what she was

> there

> for ....had her come to my room and talk to me........of course i

> have

> nothing but good things to say but i remind her that the surgery i

> had is

> not the same surgery ..she was going for an open RNY........but i

> can only

> talk bout my experiences so i did so........it was nice to share

> somethings

> with her......and she appreciated it......

> NEWAYZZZ,,

>

> LOW HEMOGLOBIN??? can any of you nurses share some light on

> this???

>

>

> I kinda figured something was up when i can press my finger against

> my skin

> and look back a few minutes later na di have a Dark bruise

> there........

>

>

>

>

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Too much Vit E will also make you bruise easily also. The first month after

surgery when I took the extra E I started bruising so badly that I had to stop

the extra E.

Pat

Low Hemoglobin

Most people get low hemoglobin as a result of blood loss. Sometimes

this can be as simple as bleedling alot during your period. Others

will get it as a result of surgery and loss of blood. Womens

hemoglobin numbers are higher than mens (we need our blood richer due

to childbirth and periods). There are prescription iron supplements

that are not as hard on your stomach as what used to be available.

Also, it often takes a long time to rebuild your supply of iron, not

just a week or so, especially if you are doing it through

supplements. As far as the brusing goes, that usually has to do with

your clotting time - have you taken aspirin or blood thinners?

Often when patients are on aspirin therapy they bruise easily.

Usually when someone has low hemoglobin there energy level is also

VERY low! Hope this helps, but I would think if your Dr gave you the

results, he would give you the solution - what's up with that???

Jeanne M. Barton 8/23/00

240/160

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Even with the vitamins. I never got a number, so I am not sure how low.

I assumed it was part of the malabsorbion issue.

shannon

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:05:27 -0400 Vellucci

<LINDA.VELLUCCI@...> writes:

> , low iron even with the vitamins Rocky has us taking? What

> did

> your doctor suggest, does the doctor know you are already taking 3

> vitamins

> with iron?????

>

>

> Re: LOW hemoglobin

>

> I also have low iron (that is the same, right?).. Why would this be?

> I

> have never had low iron and I am not losing as much blood, due to

> less

> and less periods (I am going thru menopause)...I do bruise easily

> now

> that I think about it... I also have more problems with arthritis in

> my

> joints, I am just 41 and seem to be aging rapidly!! I am glad it is

> while

> I am getting skinnier!!! I need 1 lb to break the 200 barrier and

> be

> 199!!! If I have to hook the old hoover vaccum up to me and

> perform

> home

> lipo, I will get that 16 oz off me!!!

>

>

> On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:26:18 -0400 ~k~ <kacherra@...>

> writes:

> > hi all,

> >

> > Got my results from my 6 ms check up and everything seems fine

> > except that

> > i have low hemoglobin.......i know we have some nurses

> > here.......when i

> > called in to get my results the nurse was on another line so i

> > havent

> > spoken with anyone yet regarding this........ive emailed dr r

> until

> > i can

> > talk to my Dr (he was out of town and i had to see the PA-- sure

> > wish peeps

> > would let me know this at my drs office) im like the prodigy

> patient

> > there

> > lol.......he now has several people that are comin to him to have

>

> > WLS and

> > he tells them to talk to me.........a lady was there that was over

>

> > 400 when

> > i went in on friday and they girls when they found out what she

> was

> > there

> > for ....had her come to my room and talk to me........of course i

>

> > have

> > nothing but good things to say but i remind her that the surgery i

>

> > had is

> > not the same surgery ..she was going for an open RNY........but i

>

> > can only

> > talk bout my experiences so i did so........it was nice to share

> > somethings

> > with her......and she appreciated it......

> > NEWAYZZZ,,

> >

> > LOW HEMOGLOBIN??? can any of you nurses share some light on

> > this???

> >

> >

> > I kinda figured something was up when i can press my finger

> against

> > my skin

> > and look back a few minutes later na di have a Dark bruise

> > there........

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Another thing that helps with iron levels is to cook in the old style iron

frying pan. The foods actually absorb some of the iron!

And don't forget liver and spinach in your diet. Both are loaded.

Bankie in SC

12/14/00

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Hal,

How much was your Hgb at the time of your last CBC and how steeply has it been dropping over time? I have tried some non-rx compounds for RBC production, but don't know if your RBC levels are similar to mine.

Andy

-- Low Hemoglobin

Has anyone on the list found a remedy for Hg. trending lower? I expected this shoe to drop as my prognostic markers are poor, and it was just a matter of time.. But maybe someone has tried something that works, short of doing chemo. at this time. I'm due for my 2nd round of Rituxan (mtce.) as soon as my WBC hits 40.0; now 27.0-- just my own theory of when to treat. Thanks. Hal Skye.

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Dear Hal,

This would be the time to start low dose Chlorambucil at about 2mg a day up to 6mg a day for two weeks on then two weeks off. The strength is your choice, but 2mg or 4mg or 6mg are all low dose and to properly mix it with Rituxan, in my opinion, you should start now so that you are taking the Chlorambucil for at least 3 to 4 2wk sessions with 2wk rest sessions inbetween. Then by the ttime your ready to take the Rituxan, the Chlorambucil will be established in your peripheral blood.

After taking the Chlorambucil for 4 sessions, 2wks on and 2wks off, then you should most likely not have any further Hgb or Hct problems. All this according to Dr. Hamblin and as proven thus far by my own treatment as well as the treatment of Chonette and several others in England and here also.

Good luck, K.

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Hal Skye" <HALSKYE@...>

Has anyone on the list found a remedy for Hg. trending lower? I expected this shoe to drop as my prognostic markers are poor, and it was just a matter of time.. But maybe someone has tried something that works, short of doing chemo. at this time. I'm due for my 2nd round of Rituxan (mtce.) as soon as my WBC hits 40.0; now 27.0-- just my own theory of when to treat. Thanks. Hal Skye.

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Thanks to everyone for replies re. my situation. I will answer your queries as best I can on an individual basis. For Andy: Latest CBC results as of 8-9-06---My RBC has been trending ( 6 month trend) from 5.33 down to 4.81 but still within the low normal range. So I am not concerned yet with that trend. My HGB has been trending ( 6 month trend) from 16.1 to 13.6. So I got a new (L) on my CBC. I know, you'll all laugh that I'm even concerned at this level but it does indicate a trend lower. My Onc says he's not concerned till it's in the 10.0 range. Thanks. Hal Skye.

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for Kurt---Yes, I've filed all your posts re the low dose Chlor. + Rit protocol you've been following these past 4 years or so. I was hoping to squeeze another few mini partial remissions out of Rit. mono & /or Humax CD 20 if it becomes available, when the Rit. doesn't work for me anymore. Then I was going to go up the toxicity ladder to low-dose Chlo. combos with either Rit. or Humax. My 2nd opinion Onc. even after reading about the Dr. Hamblin trial on low-dose Chlor. still does not feel it is a sound tx. And he's no slouch---Dr. Hainsworth, the one who did the protocol on Rit. mono. followed by the 6 month mtce. txs. My local Onc. though accepts Dr. Hamblins blogs & other writings as being good enuf for the Chlor. + Rit. combo for me to follow when I've exhausted those txs. mentioned above. Unfortunately he is leaving Honolulu for the Scripps Clinic in San Diego to take on another position there permanently. So I have to search for another Onc./Haemo. who is still not stuck permanently on the Gold Standard. BTW. this Onc was researching the effects of Noni juice capsules on the general cancer public here inHawaii His conclusion---No meaningful benefit was obseved after 2 years of trials. The odd individual case did show some improvement, but nthing to hang your hat on. Methinks the trial has now folded. Thanks. Hal Skye.

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Dear Hal,

I didn't realize that your Hgb was still in the 13 range. With a Hgb reading in that area you should not be considering doing anything at all differently unless you have other prognostic problems suggesting treatment. Sounds to me like you are doing fine. Your Hgb is much better than most of us who are in W & W.

I think it's great that you are looking forward to what you will do next, but like said "IF" you have low Hgb then at that time you need to figure out why first and then decide on treatment. At the moment apparently you have nothing critical to treat? Good luck, K.

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Hal, if it’s any consolation my HGB all time high was 13 and it has

trended down to 8.7. The good news

is, it is still pretty manageable although I wish there was something I could

do to reduce the decline. I have

been taking 3 iron pills a day for 2 and ½ years now and it doesn’t seem to be

helping any more. I don’t have the

stamina type endurance I used to have but for day to day normal stuff like

walking, short bike rides, working full time, etc., it’s hard to notice that it is even low.

, MI, 49, dx 5/04 wbc 40K, now at 598K. W & W stage III.

All the poor prognostics except for a normal FISH.

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Dear ,

I am very surprised that your Hgb is down to 8.7 without your doc doing something about it. At that point you are very close to needing a transfusion. Many people take shots of procrit or much better yet, Aranesp to counteract the effects of a low Hgb, but this depends upon your doc. You are definitely at the place where you need something to counteract this low Hgb as having it below 10 put a tremendous strain on your heart and will promote congestive heart failure by changing the shape of the heart. This has been been explained by Dr. Hamblin in detail.

Depending upon your treatment history and your prognostic markers, this is potentially a good point at which to consider taking Chlorambucil and Rituxan combination, both low dose. Rituxan is being given at low dose now by subQ injection. Chlorambucil is in pill form. They can both help raise the Hgb to acceptable levels. However, depending upon your doctor, he will have his own ideas for treatment.

Good luck, Kurt

-------------- Original message -------------- From: " Drost" <cindy.drost@...>

Hal, if it’s any consolation my HGB all time high was 13 and it has trended down to 8.7. The good news is, it is still pretty manageable although I wish there was something I could do to reduce the decline. I have been taking 3 iron pills a day for 2 and ½ years now and it doesn’t seem to be helping any more. I don’t have the stamina type endurance I used to have but for day to day normal stuff like walking, short bike rides, working full time, etc., it’s hard to notice that it is even low.

, MI, 49, dx 5/04 wbc 40K, now at 598K. W & W stage III. All the poor prognostics except for a normal FISH.

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I have the chlorambucil + rituxan treatment all lined up. It's just a

matter of when I give the green light for treatment. It won't be

sub-q rituxan but I am pleased that my dr is willing to allow me to

try the R+Chl. My doctor monitors me very closely, especially the

heart and is quite amazed at how well I am doing. While he recommends

treatment, he knows he can't force me into it and is willing to abide

by my wishes.

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Hi, I

just had to chime in. I started treatment the first of September it went

something like this: Rituxan x 4 , 14days Chlorambucil then 14 days off

followed this line again after the wait. (I’m now on the last two pills)

I also was able to persuade my onc to have GM-CSF x 4 he wasn’t has

hard to convince as the insurance co. they were very hard nosed although they

finely agreed .

I

have to say right now I feel like someone let the air out, pulled the plug etc.

if you understand with I’m saying. This heavy fatigue really just started

on last Thursday soon after I received my last shot of GM-CSF. Friday is

was worse and Thursday and don’t have much improvement as of today. They

did a CBC on Thursday and my RBC had dropped to 3.14 they are usually in the 3.50

range, the HGB was lower at 11.4 were it is in the 12 to 13 range. The HCT was

also lower. I’m being told we will do another CBC on Thursday and in the

meantime just to get extra rest. That is very profound because I really don’t

have any energy, even a nice little walk isn’t something I can do with

our a real challenge and then feeling like I just want to lay down. So each of

us are maybe more aware of these changes in our bodies and our body will react

maybe differently. That being said if I’m having some problems with the

11.4 number would I be almost dead at the 8.6 or whatever number. My hats off

to you all that are that strong or maybe we need to listen to our bodies a

little more closely.

I’m

hoping my counts will start improving after I’m done taking these last 3

pills. The treatment seems to have done a very nice job on the Lymphs, and

that is what we were trying to control Thursday they were 0.70 with the Neuts

being 4.9

Thanks

to Kurt for his input and Dr. Hamblin on adding the low dose Chlor. I am using 2

mg

Any feed

back or commitments are welcome.

Best regards’,

Connie

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Posted by: " Gach" unclewolf@... I find it hard to believe that an Hg count of 11.4 would cause so muchfatigue. Mine fluctuates between 12.5 and 11.2 and I haven't experiencedany ill effects.

***************

One of the chemo nurses told me that it makes a difference how quickly your hemoglobin gets to some low number. As I understand it, if it drops quickly, you feel the effect of fatigue more strongly than if it moves down slowly and you, in effect, adjust to the lower level with less fatigue.

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That makes sense!

Andy

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Posted by: " Gach" unclewolf@... I find it hard to believe that an Hg count of 11.4 would cause so muchfatigue. Mine fluctuates between 12.5 and 11.2 and I haven't experiencedany ill effects.

***************

One of the chemo nurses told me that it makes a difference how quickly your hemoglobin gets to some low number. As I understand it, if it drops quickly, you feel the effect of fatigue more strongly than if it moves down slowly and you, in effect, adjust to the lower level with less fatigue.

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I've had the same advice. My Hg was below 6 when I first was diagnosed, but

the descent was so slow that I still functioned as a pedestrian in nyc. My

onc told me that I had adjusted. But my sister-in-law who had fibroids and

had an Hgb of 10 felt like she took knock-out pills because it happened so

quickly.

At hte same time, I think 's basically saying that you should look

into it, because it might be something else that you can actually do

something about!

Good luck!

Marietta

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I find it hard to believe that an Hg count of 11.4 would cause so much

fatigue. Mine fluctuates between 12.5 and 11.2 and I haven't experienced

any ill effects.

***************

One of the chemo nurses told me that it makes a difference how quickly your

hemoglobin gets to some low number. As I understand it, if it drops

quickly, you feel the effect of fatigue more strongly than if it moves down

slowly and you, in effect, adjust to the lower level with less fatigue.

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Dear Marietta,

Also, regardless of the fact that one can function at times quite well with a low Hgb, the real problem is that according to Dr. Hamblin when the Hgb goes below 10 the changes in the provision of oxygen to the body vs the need for oxygen at normal higher levels begins a process that actually changes the shape of the heart, which then slowly contributes to the onset of Congestive heart failure. I verified this with a couple different cardiologists. Like nna nnaDanna said, "If it's not one thing it's another"!

K.

--------- Re: Low HemoglobinDate: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:47:26 -0600Posted by: " Gach" unclewolfolypenI find it hard to believe that an Hg count of 11.4 would cause so muchfatigue. Mine fluctuates between 12.5 and 11.2 and I haven't experiencedany ill effects.***************One of the chemo nurses told me that it makes a difference how quickly your hemoglobin gets to some low number. As I understand it, if it drops quickly, you feel the effect of fatigue more strongly than if it moves down slowly and you, in effect, adjust to the lower level with less fatigue.

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Thank you!!! I had no idea about that.

As I'm in and out of this post a lot, I've been curious about Dr. Hamblin.

Is he available for consultation?

Thanks.

Marietta

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Dear Marietta,

Also, regardless of the fact that one can function at times quite well with

a low Hgb, the real problem is that according to Dr. Hamblin when the Hgb

goes below 10 the changes in the provision of oxygen to the body vs the need

for oxygen at normal higher levels begins a process that actually changes

the shape of the heart, which then slowly contributes to the onset of

Congestive heart failure. I verified this with a couple different

cardiologists. Like nna nnaDanna said, " If it's not one thing it's

another " !

K.

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:47:26 -0600

Posted by: " Gach " unclewolf@...

I find it hard to believe that an Hg count of 11.4 would cause so much

fatigue. Mine fluctuates between 12.5 and 11.2 and I haven't experienced

any ill effects.

***************

One of the chemo nurses told me that it makes a difference how quickly your

hemoglobin gets to some low number. As I understand it, if it drops

quickly, you feel the effect of fatigue more strongly than if it moves down

slowly and you, in effect, adjust to the lower level with less fatigue.

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Marietta,

Yes, you can send him an e-mail, either on ACOR digest or personally, his e-mail is TERJOHA@... however, it does often take him a long time to answer as he is so busy and gets a lot of e-mails. My advice is to make the e-mail short, clear and concise. He also prefers to answer questions on the digest for all to see.

Good luck, Kurt

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] Re: Low HemoglobinDate: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:47:26 -0600Posted by: " Gach" unclewolfolypenI find it hard to believe that an Hg count of 11.4 would cause so muchfatigue. Mine fluctuates between 12.5 and 11.2 and I haven't experiencedany ill effects.***************One of the chemo nurses told me that it makes a difference how quickly yourhemoglobin gets to some low number. As I understand it, if it dropsquickly, you feel the effect of fatigue more strongly than if it moves downslowly and you, in effect, adjust to the lower level with less fatigue.

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Marietta - I agree with Kurt, I was told quite specifically once that Hamblin prefers to be on the list, and deal with a minimum of personal e-mails.

Unfortunately for us, he's on ACOR.

I tried to get us a medical advisor, and did, and he is on the list. He is stretched thin beyond belief, but he's one of the best CLL people in the country.

Lets force his hand.

Write an e-mail to the group, ask your question, and put into the subject line: SPECIAL FOR OUR MEDICAL ADVISOR.

That'll, I hope, force his hand and get him into the act.

Dear Connie, I am sorry you are suffering from fatigue, it must be very hard, I had 6 months treatment with Rituximab and low doses chlorambucil, started with 6 mg. the first 4 months and we dropped down to 2 mg. for the last two months as my netrophils were very low and also all my counts were ok. We are all different, I have had Hb of 7 and still do not have fatigue. I now know through all the research I have been doing lately that the Fatigue can be independent to Hb, I was reading a very interesting booklet published by Cancer Care UK just on fatigue, and it is very good that they give so much importance to it and seem to understand the reality of the problem even they do not have all the answers, at least acknowledgement is progress. "I also was able to persuade my onc to have GM-CSF x 4 ", sorry my ignorance but I do not know what is GM-CSF. How many rounds are you going to have of this protocol? Your netrophils are very good, mine have gone up to 3, but they were very low for a couple of months during treatment. All the best and keep us in touch, it is nice to support each other. regards Chonette Re: Low Hemoglobin Posted by: "Connie Fox" djcjfox@... djcjfox Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:07 am (PST) Thanks to Kurt for his input and Dr. Hamblin on adding the low dose Chlor. Iam using 2 mg Any feed back or commitments are welcome.Best regards',Connie

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>

> Hi Bee

> My hemoglobin was low 7.7 because of vaginal bleeding ( bled for 3 weeks in

May) stop for two weeks and then again bled for 1 1/2 week. The doctor gave me

iron, and I took it for two days on the second day I was very constipated and my

kidneys were hurting. I read on the side effects that it can cause kidney

problems. I haven't had my kidneys checked.

The doctor wanted to do a CT Scan to check my organs because I've been having a

lot of bloating and problems with the intestines they found cysts in the uterus

and the ovaries. I want to know what the problem is but at the same time I am

kind of skeptical to some tests. Is there a good accurate way to diagnose this

problems or do I have to go through those tests?

+++Hi Ileana. Welcome to our group. Are you on my program, since it appears

you may have candida overgrowth which causes bloating, intestinal problems, and

many other malfunctions throughout the body. Many women with candida have

cysts, low iron levels, and other menstrual problems.

+++So the problem is that your symptoms mean your body is not healthy and has a

very depressed immune system, etc. which is mainly caused by a lack of " proper

nutrients " and too many toxins. Symptoms are simply " signs " your body is badly

out of whack, and you can do something about it like many members of this group

have.

+++Sorry, my friend, but there are no quick fixes. What you need to do to get

healthy is to give your body what it needs so it can heal itself naturally the

way Nature intended, which includes my diet plus supplements, and eliminating

toxins and foods that feed candida and/or are damaging to our bodies.. But that

takes time, patience and persistence on the program.

About the iron I bought a natural iron from the health food store and I am

eating food that has iron. The doctors wanted to do a blood transfusion but I

didn't want that.

+++If your hemoglobin is dangerously low, you may have to get blood transfusions

as an emergency measure.

>Some people has told me that you can raise the iron by eating foods high in

iron and with natural supplements. Doctors say you have to take their iron and

the pill to soften the stools. I am a confused here.

+++Yes, you can raise iron levels but iron works along with many other nutrients

too, so iron alone doesn't necessarily help. One member of our group only did

my program for 6 months (she didn't take any iron supplements nor consume more

liver or red meats), yet after 6 months her iron levels went from 4 to 64. That

is because your body is smart enough to level out all of its nutrients IF you

give it what it needs to do its job, which is healing itself naturally.

I suggest you start on my program - but first read these 2 important articles so

you understand what you need to do and why:

1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

For encouragement see these wonderful Success Stories by members of this group:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

Remember that this program isn't just for curing candida, since it has proved to

improve anyone's health

All the best, Bee

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