You still have not answered the million dollar question Mark!

[Guest guest]

Mark, I am so sick of you pussy footing around the fact that you lied about

BodyBalance and where it was made. I guess I will have to paste it again and

again until you answer the question of why your " scientific research " had led

you to the conclusion that BodyBalance is made from humic shale in a mine in

Emery Utah, when in fact it is from the ocean, made by Life Force International,

out of Chula Vista California!

See previous lying post you made, I will paste as a reminder, then just

answer the 1 question I keep asking so you will not " inflame " the post

recipients here. I ask a question, I get rhetoric, and your name calling. The

reason God was brought up is because the elements that you are so worried sick

about are in nature. It was tongue and cheek to tell you that you'd have to

deliberate that with your maker. Life Force did not put those elements into the

sea vegetation which BodyBalance is derived from, they are present in nature.

The only extras added are aloe vera, black cherry and a touch of honey. Hello,

are you listening?

All I hear from you are the echoings of a " yea butter " through your so called

scientific research on BodyBalance which is either a big lie, or a really bad,

botched up hunk of research by you.

The people on this post are not interested in more of your so-called

research about " mlm " companies and how horrible they are. They want you to

explain your findings to my 1 question I keep asking, and you keep avoiding, so

we can end this discussion. I am asking the question, and you need to answer

it. If it isn't common knowledge, I will make it so. I believe close to 95% of

mlm companies fail do to the ivory tower schemings of the originators. There

are a few, about 5%, that succeed! Of those 5% or so there are a few that

really do care about peoples health that are in that field, and base their

efforts on this premise when they do their referral marketing.(through their own

personal experience by using the product and making conclusions on their own!)

Life Force International has been growing since it's birth in 1996. Before

1996, BodyBalance was sold by doctors as Doctors Signature Products! It is in

the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and most recently Singapore.

Well over 5 million quarts of BodyBalance have been sold through referral

marketing. The reason for this type of marketing is because you certainly are

beating your head against the wall trying to convince anyone you do not know (

the internet) to try and purchase a health product?! The reason I mentioned it

to this post is because I have a son with epilepsy. I have lost my chronic

fatigue in one day, and my son had significantly reduced his seizures.

The reason now that I am posting is because of you Mark Schauss. You keep

avoiding why you lied to me, and this post about BodyBalance I have pasted

below, and continue to say things to try and defend your anti-scientifically

researched mlm theories. If I were a skeptical poster in this group, before I

would listen to your hiding behind my childrens health speech to avoid answering

my 1 question, I would do a couple of things concerning BodyBalance. Consider

the over 6000 doctors that have recommended BodyBalance (all who of course are

" lining their pocketswith that filthy cash " )over the years, with well over 5

million quarts sold, the 1000's of lives changed dramatically over the years,

the testimonies from doctors and users on www.healthgotit.com ,

and the fact that Life Force International is so confident in the quality of the

liquid nutrition that gives you that " feeling of well being and energy " that

they give you the first quart for free so there is no risk? I have to say that

is powerful testimony by itself!! So stop your ranting and raving Mark about

how horrible mlm's are, and how horrible BodyBalance is, and how you are

protecting your children and just answer my 1 question! SEE ORIGINAL POST FROM

MARK BELOW and MY RESPONSE. Anyone tired of me not getting my question answered

yet? I know I am! Good Day! Don

HERE IS THE BIG LIE THAT I AM BATTLING NOW

From: " Mark Schauss " <schauss@c...>

Date: Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:29 am

Subject: RE: [ ] Supplements-costs-and credibility

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Arnold,

Thanks for the post. I found out a little bit more about the product in

question. It seems that part of its source for the minerals is none

other than the Rockland Corporation, a group out of Utah that sells

ground up clay (collodial's) that they say comes from an ancient sea

vegetable source. My brother , did a paper for the NIH that tested

products like theirs and found levels of heavy metals up to 100 times

the label claim and that many of the essential trace elements they had

on their label weren't there.

What bothers me the most is when you peel off the outer layers of the

organizations like Life Force, you find people who make a living out of

recycling products that have been removed from the market by the FDA

only to be renamed, slightly reformulated and resold using the same

drivel that got them into trouble in the first place. People like Don

are down line distributors who genuinely think they are doing the right

thing but don't have the knowledge base in which to make an informed

decision about a product.

The saddest thing to me is that children are taking this product.

Adults have the ability to make decisions, right or wrong. Children

don't have that luxury and I sincerely believe that this product can

hurt them in both the short and especially the long term.

In health,

Mark Schauss

P.S. My doctorate is not a Ph.D. Arnold it is a Doctorate in Business.

I am a bit sensitive about this as I have seen too many people out there

lie about their degrees (2 of whom did it to me) so I want to make sure

that my educational background is honestly portrayed.

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From: " Don Vance " <dvance@a...>

Date: Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:07 pm

Subject: More Bullcrap coming out of your business degree lips!

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Did they teach you to misconstrue the facts for your own personal

patting

yourself on the back in business school Mark? Or do you just like to

hear

yourself speak and believe that what you say is pure truth??!! I

said I would

not post again, but you are bashing me, BodyBalance and Life Force.

The product you keep bashing is BodyBalance. So once you read this

and realize

your caught, do not try and say oh, I was talking about Liquid Life

and not

BodyBalance, you already played that card with inferring inorganic

metals are

added(when they are not, just aloe, honey and black cherry juice) to

oh, it's

got organic elements in there, that's even worse! (line of BULL! )

The product that you are now bashing as BodyBalance is called Liquid

Life. Some

research! How will you know when Mark says something that isn't

true? His lips

are moving. Your research is so bad that you are either a really bad

researcher,

or a liar. It really does not matter. If you had just kept your

mouth closed

after I said I would not post again, but you did not. I was going to

stop

fighting for the truth for everyone watching these posts ABOUT

BODYBALANCE and

their optimal health, AND LET YOU CONTINUE TO BE THE (IN YOUR OWN

MIND) EXPERT!

Since you want to make accusations that are not true again, I am

putting on the

gloves for everyone who reads this.

Everyone go to www.liquidlife.com and see that this is what's made

out of a

mine in Utah, not BodyBalance like Mark is saying! BodyBalance is

from the

OCEAN like I said! LIFE FORCE INTERNATIONAL DOES NOT MINE TO ADD

THINGS TO

BODYBALANCE! THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE ADDED TO THE NINE DIFFERENT

SEA

VEGETABLES IS BLACK CHERRY JUICE, ALOE VERA, AND A TOUCH OF

HONEY!!!!!!!!!

PERIOD! It's 100% vegetarian!

Here is how Liquid Life, NOT BODYBALANCE is made according to their

website(

from humic shale). Also go to www.trclabs.com and learn about the

real company

who makes Liquid Life from mines in Utah, not Life Force

International in Chula

Vista California! You can only tell falsehoods so long, and

eventually they

catch up with you Mark. Gotcha!

From Liquid Life's website! www.liquidlife.com

As the thick growth of vegetation died, it accumulated in large

piles and

years later, it was buried from rock and mudflows and deposits of

sand and

silt. The weight of the overflow compacted or compressed out all of

the

moisture, and what remains today is a deposit of dried, prehistoric

plant

derivatives. This is known as humic shale. End of website material

pasted.

BodyBalance is a " live " whole food supplement, meaning the product

is

formulated from live plants in the ocean which then also gives you

the

phytonutrients that are in an ionic format, readily bio-available to

the

cellular level, versus what their website says of taking millions of

years

old compressed plants and then sticking them into a large vat, and

through

their processes extract their product. Old technology (strip

mining),

versus new technology (ocean mining).

I am copy and pasting users of BodyBalance's testimonies to add as

real evidence

that the product is awesome, not poisonous, and has dramatically

changed 1000's

of lives! I have been using natural products for the past five

years, and I

have found Body Balance to be the best product on the market today.

I used to

suffer daily and my days used to be very stressful and overwhelming.

I found my

peace with Body Balance. It gives me that extra boost to make it

through the

day. I feel calm yet energized to accomplish my goals. I love the

product, and

have recommended it to all my coworkers and friends.

-- Crystal Benton, Clinton MD

" Body Balance provides the nutritional support

to meet the nutritional needs of all patients.

This is an exceptional supplement worth

considering as part of any wellness program. "

-- G. Hallwanger, M.D.

" With full confidence I endorse this product and recommend it for

improved

energy and vitality. I use it myself...I have never seen one

product, in 22

years of practicing pharmacy, that has benefited so many. "

Mark F. Binkley, Ph.D, (pharmacist)

[ ] MLM

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More than a hundred multilevel companies are marketing health-related

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until their customer base is well established. Other companies make

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people to try their products and credit them for any improvement that

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self-treatment. It may also promote distrust of science-based health

professionals and their treatment methods.

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offerings of more than 100 MLM companies offering health-related

products, has concluded that every one of them has made false or

misleading claims in their promotional materials [2]. The products

that have nutritional value (such as multivitamins) are invariably

overpriced and usually not needed. The products promoted as remedies

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unsuitable for self-medication [2].

MLM solicitations fail to give a clear picture of how difficult it is

to earn money selling health-related MLM products. Because person-to-

person sales are labor-intensive and involve high commission expense,

MLM products generally cost much more than similar products purchased

through pharmacies, health-food stores and other retail outlets.

Most supplement companies get their raw ingredients from the same

bulk wholesalers and merely repackage them into brand-name products.

To compete with retail outlets, MLM distributors must persuade

prospective customers that their products are superior, even though

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cost less. This requires misrepresentation. Moreover, people who like

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original seller will no longer profit from retail sales to those

customers.

Most multilevel companies tell distributors not to make claims for

the products except for those found in company literature. (That way

the company can deny responsibility for what distributors do.)

However, many companies hold sales meetings at which people are

encouraged to tell their story. Some companies sponsor telephone

conference calls during which leading distributors describe their

financial success, give sales tips, and describe their personal

experiences with the products. Testimonials also may be published in

company magazines, audiotapes or videotapes. Testimonial claims can

trigger enforcement action, but since it is time-consuming to collect

evidence of their use, government agencies seldom bother to do so.

Physician Involvement

During the past several years, many physicians have begun selling

health-related multilevel products to patients in their offices.

Doctors are typically recruited with promises that the extra income

will replace income lost to managed care.

The sale of health-related products by physicians presents a

financial conflict of interest that can undermine the primary

obligation of physicians to serve the interests of their patients

before their own [3]. The greater the potential profit, the greater

the potential problem. In June 1999, the AMA House of Delegates

narrowly approved new ethical guidelines emphasizing that physicians

should not coerce patients to purchase health-related products or

recruit them to participate in marketing programs in which the

physician personally benefits, financially or otherwise, from the

efforts of their patients. The guidelines frown on doctors profiting

from the sale of health-related nonprescription products such as

dietary supplements [3]. Although the guidelines do not mention

products sold through multilevel marketing, the chairman of the AMA's

Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs has indicated that they were

triggered by the growing number of physicians who selling MLM

products to their patients [4].

Inadequate Government Regulation

Government enforcement action against multilevel companies has not

been vigorous. These companies are usually left alone unless their

promotions become so conspicuous and their sales volume so great that

an agency feels compelled to intervene. Even then, few interventions

have substantial impact once a company is well established.

During the past 20 years, more than 25 health-related MLM companies

have faced regulatory actions for false advertising, operating a

pyramid scheme, or both [5]. Although such actions usually improve

future behavior, they rarely provide adequate redress for victims.

Moreover, the number of MLM frauds known to Federal Trade Commission

vastly exceeds its capacity to prosecute them on a case-by-case basis.

Recommendations

To Consumers

Avoid health-related multilevel products altogether. Those that have

nutritional value are invariably overpriced and may be unnecessary as

well. Those promoted as remedies are either unproven, bogus, or

intended for conditions that are unsuitable for self-medication.

Consider it likely that people who promote products to e-mail

discussion groups are MLM distributors.

Be very skeptical of claims for high income.

People who feel they have been defrauded by MLM companies should file

complaints with their state attorney general and with local FDA and

FTC offices. A letter detailing the events may be sufficient to

trigger an investigation. The more complaints received, the more

likely that corrective action will be taken.

To Professional Organizations

The American Medical Association should amend its guidelines to

acknowledge that MLM-related sales represent a special problem that

physicians should avoid. Other health professional groups should

issue similar guidelines.

To Government Agencies

Government agencies should police the multilevel marketplace

aggressively, using undercover investigators and filing criminal

charges when wrongdoing is detected.

The Federal Trade Commission should require MLM companies to disclose

full and truthful " income opportunity " information to all persons

solicited to participate in the income program [6].

References

Fitzpatrick RL. Ten big lies of multilevel marketing. MLM Watch, Aug

4, 2002.

Barrett S. The mirage of multilevel marketing. Quackwatch, revised

Aug 17, 2001.

AMA Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs. Sale of health-related

products from physicians' offices. CEJA Opinion 8.063, June 1999.

Should doctors sell non-health-related products to their patients?

The AMA targets Amway. Health Care Business Digest 3(2):22-24, 1998.

See case reports on MLM Watch Web site, Jan 20, 2003.

Petition to prevent multilevel marketing companies from operating as

pyramid schemes. MLM Watch Web site, Aug 30, 2002.