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Hi, ,

>a. I understand from below that c. pneumoniae will cause an antibody

response when the bacteria

>exits the cell to move to another cell. What I can't understand is why I

>do

>not get pneumonia or bronchitis or

>another clinical manifestation of c. pneumoniae.

>I do have elevated antibodies. What I wonder is -> does pneumonia or

>bronchitis occur when the bacteria is outside of the cell. If so, then I

>am

>not getting these things because my antibodies are taking care of the

extracellular piece?

>

That is a good guess - the most likely reason by far.

One other possible thing might be that your membrane-based immune defenses

are stronger than bloodstream defenses, allowing your lungs to stay

disease-free even though the bugs are able to get around bloodstream

IgG-based defenses.

>b. Re. thick blood again:

>I have found out that I have elevated plasma volume. I have read that

>hyperviscosity of the blood will cause elevated plasma volume. I also have

>a low sed rate. I wonder if there is a way to determine what is making the

>blood thick. ie. is there some kind of detailed analysis that can be done.

>

The HEMEX test panel is a good starting point. That will indicate if the

hyperviscosity is due to clottingn activation.

If that comes back normal and you still have hyperviscosity, I would think

that a blood protein profile (don't know the official name of this test)

would indicate what you have an excess of to give the high viscosity.

It is possible, for instance, that you are making too much albumin.

(Probably a genetic reason behind this.) Since that is the most common

protein in blood, too much of it will have a larger effect than an excess of

other proteins like Igs. Too much albumin will also lead to excess blood

volume as the body tries to adjust osmotic pressure.

Jerry

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Way to go Cheryl for doing a great job along with your daughter!

I'm at that point now I am starting to look ahead for preschool in the

school, but they are spec ed. I did find a magnate school that does full

inclusion montessori style. He still has a year and a half, but I am doing

things now to prepare him. My son is very social and is very focused and

motivated to do things. There is limited visits on early intervention so I

try other things too that may help him. One person said to put your goal of

inclusion on the 1st IEP. I was also told that where we live the meetings are

only 30 min long at the most! I can't talk within this time line much less

have a team of people talk. Any suggestions?

in FL

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In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

papertree820@... writes:

> Way to go Cheryl for doing a great job along with your daughter!

>

> Really, I wish I had done more! But the biggest factor in my daughter's

success is her! She strives to do well, she loves participating with her

peers, she loves doing well on her school work. We are very lucky that she

had that desire. She has always had such a high esteem of herself and her

abilities, it has stood her well throughout her life.

What I have stressed to the educational staff involved with her is that they

regard her as a learner, and not to apply any stereotype to her. I have told

them not to limit her and challenged them to help her succeed. Some of them

ignored me but many took that to heart. Once they realized she could learn

and she was a fine student, in need of more support perhaps than other

students, they took responsibility for her as their student.

Many things we did still work well for parents. Profiles of her, her likes,

her dislikes, her family, all that info brought to IEPS to share with

everyone. IEPS at a glance given to all her regular ed teachers to give them

the most important info to focus on. I always shared inclusion information

(I actually made a notebook) with all her teachers and found a professional

mentor that was willing to offer advice or assitance should they need that. I

let them know right up front what my expectations were for their work with my

daughter and where I expected her to be when the year was over. I was a very

good resource for the teachers and I assured them that we were a " team. "

She has done very well on the path we chose. I believe that inclusion was a

big factor in her success because it allowed her to access a meaningful

curriculum, meet and socialize with so many more students than she ever would

have in the way our self contained classes are set up here. Her education in

her LRE, the regular classroom, was much more richer, much more varied, much

more broad, it was just much more than what the students here in the self

contained classes experience.

That doesn't mean I think every child should be included, it means I believe

every child should have that option and for us it proved to be a good one!

;-)

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 5/22/2004 7:55:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

From: " Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Zonegran

,

You stated that when your son was on Lamictal that he had halluciations.,

anger and rage, this is the first time I've heard of these side effects

with Lamictal. Was your son on any other meds at the same time or was it

just Lamictal? I'm asking this because we will be switching to Lamictal

at the next neuro's visit. is currently on Zonegran and it's

not working for her and she did have hallucinations, poor concentration,

trouble speeking, tired most of the time and looks like she's always in a

daze. I'm hoping that Lamictal will work better for her. What are you

going to try next? What type of seizures did you say your son has? Take

care!

Grace

..

..>>> Grace

As you know, my son's been on Lamictal for over five years. When the dose

is too high, his sleep becomes light and his level of irritability and

moodiness increases exponentially.

mjh

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MJH,

Thanks for explaining, please read my reply to and tell me what

you think. I'm actually thinking about just taking her off the meds if

Lamictal doesn't work and just trying the supplements I read in those

books you told me to read along with the flaxseed oil, etc. Right now, I

feel like I'm poisoning instead of helping her with the AEDs.

Grace

On Sat, 22 May 2004 08:25:18 EDT foxhillers@... writes:

> In a message dated 5/22/2004 7:55:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:

> From: " Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Zonegran

>

> ,

>

> You stated that when your son was on Lamictal that he had

> halluciations.,

> anger and rage, this is the first time I've heard of these side

> effects

> with Lamictal. Was your son on any other meds at the same time or

> was it

> just Lamictal? I'm asking this because we will be switching to

> Lamictal

> at the next neuro's visit. is currently on Zonegran and

> it's

> not working for her and she did have hallucinations, poor

> concentration,

> trouble speeking, tired most of the time and looks like she's always

> in a

> daze. I'm hoping that Lamictal will work better for her. What are

> you

> going to try next? What type of seizures did you say your son has?

> Take

> care!

>

> Grace

> .

> .>>> Grace

> As you know, my son's been on Lamictal for over five years. When

> the dose

> is too high, his sleep becomes light and his level of irritability

> and

> moodiness increases exponentially.

>

> mjh

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

>

>

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MJH,

I forgot to tell you on my last reply to you, but I started on

Taurine Thursday night. I started her on 250mg. I'm also taking it since

I always take any vitamin I give her to make sure that it's OK.

Grace

On Sat, 22 May 2004 08:25:18 EDT foxhillers@... writes:

> In a message dated 5/22/2004 7:55:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:

> From: " Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Zonegran

>

> ,

>

> You stated that when your son was on Lamictal that he had

> halluciations.,

> anger and rage, this is the first time I've heard of these side

> effects

> with Lamictal. Was your son on any other meds at the same time or

> was it

> just Lamictal? I'm asking this because we will be switching to

> Lamictal

> at the next neuro's visit. is currently on Zonegran and

> it's

> not working for her and she did have hallucinations, poor

> concentration,

> trouble speeking, tired most of the time and looks like she's always

> in a

> daze. I'm hoping that Lamictal will work better for her. What are

> you

> going to try next? What type of seizures did you say your son has?

> Take

> care!

>

> Grace

> .

> .>>> Grace

> As you know, my son's been on Lamictal for over five years. When

> the dose

> is too high, his sleep becomes light and his level of irritability

> and

> moodiness increases exponentially.

>

> mjh

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

>

>

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MJH,

What does taurine do for your child in relation to

taking lamictal. My son has started taking it again

with some breakthroughs and I now am remembering the

side effect to his personality. Moodiness, anger and

slow to complete things like (ADD symptoms). He still

does well in school, impossible to get the homework

and reading done unless he takes concerta. He has

trouble swallowing the concerta hard pill. Any tips on

pill swallowing?

--- " Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...> wrote:

> MJH,

>

> I forgot to tell you on my last reply to you, but I

> started on

> Taurine Thursday night. I started her on 250mg. I'm

> also taking it since

> I always take any vitamin I give her to make sure

> that it's OK.

>

> Grace

>

> On Sat, 22 May 2004 08:25:18 EDT foxhillers@...

> writes:

> > In a message dated 5/22/2004 7:55:29 AM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> > writes:

> > From: " Grace H. " <foxyfox8@...>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Zonegran

> >

> > ,

> >

> > You stated that when your son was on Lamictal that

> he had

> > halluciations.,

> > anger and rage, this is the first time I've heard

> of these side

> > effects

> > with Lamictal. Was your son on any other meds at

> the same time or

> > was it

> > just Lamictal? I'm asking this because we will be

> switching to

> > Lamictal

> > at the next neuro's visit. is currently

> on Zonegran and

> > it's

> > not working for her and she did have

> hallucinations, poor

> > concentration,

> > trouble speeking, tired most of the time and looks

> like she's always

> > in a

> > daze. I'm hoping that Lamictal will work better

> for her. What are

> > you

> > going to try next? What type of seizures did you

> say your son has?

> > Take

> > care!

> >

> > Grace

> > .

> > .>>> Grace

> > As you know, my son's been on Lamictal for over

> five years. When

> > the dose

> > is too high, his sleep becomes light and his level

> of irritability

> > and

> > moodiness increases exponentially.

> >

> > mjh

> > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

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My husband also does concrete work and finds Cornhuskers Lotion helps his

hands more than anything else he has tried. You should be able to find this at

the drug store. Hope this helped.

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Can someone fill me in on how to make these rice foot and neck warmers?

They sound fabulous and easy to make. My questions are:

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what kind of rice do you use?

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Can a scent be added to the rice?

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>

> My husband also does concrete work and finds Cornhuskers Lotion helps his

> hands more than anything else he has tried. You should be able to find

this at

> the drug store. Hope this helped.

I have a recipe for a Corn Huskers type lotion, but will have to go through

my toiletries recipes to find it. If you want, I will look for it and post

it.

Raven

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>Just wondering if you have taken him to a ped.neurologist..I'd be concerned

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>neurological issue going on..movement disorder..I don't know but the

>constant need for " prompting " is a major concern especial since it didn't

>exist before.I've heard of prompting for certain things but not every

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>My son is 15, diagnosed at age 22 months. has not spoken since he

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>got a tetanus shot at age 3. My dilemma is this: I feel as though I

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>am losing my son again, just like I did 13 years ago. He was near

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>normal at age 10, except for his inability io speak. He has become so

>

>very severely prompt dependent in the last couple of years, that I

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>would call it his main disability at this time. He has lost 40 pounds

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>in the last 2 years because he waits for prompting for every single

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>movement he must make, from stabbing his food, lifting the fork to

>

>mouth, placing fork in mouth, removing fork, chewing food, continue

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>chewing food, swallow, etc. He does the same thing with getting

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>dressed...step by step. He no longer has any interests, or

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>personality. He is STUCK on this prompt dependent-ness and OCD. I am

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>about to fall apart myself. I have a 15 year old son and a 14 year old

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>with me. I was up most of the night trying to keep Andy quiet and calmed so

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> My son is 15, diagnosed at age 22 months. has not spoken

>since he

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>got a tetanus shot at age 3. My dilemma is this: I feel as though I

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>am losing my son again, just like I did 13 years ago. He was near

>

>normal at age 10, except for his inability io speak. He has become so

>

>very severely prompt dependent in the last couple of years, that I

>

>would call it his main disability at this time. He has lost 40 pounds

>

>in the last 2 years because he waits for prompting for every single

>

>movement he must make, from stabbing his food, lifting the fork to

>

>mouth, placing fork in mouth, removing fork, chewing food, continue

>

>chewing food, swallow, etc. He does the same thing with getting

>

>dressed...step by step. He no longer has any interests, or

>

>personality. He is STUCK on this prompt dependent-ness and OCD. I am

>

>becoming severley depressed and also bitter. I used to enjoy spending

>

>time with my son, now it seems more like pure hell. HELP!

>

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> My son is 15, diagnosed at age 22 months. has not spoken

>since he

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>got a tetanus shot at age 3. My dilemma is this: I feel as though I

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>am losing my son again, just like I did 13 years ago. He was near

>

>normal at age 10, except for his inability io speak. He has become so

>

>very severely prompt dependent in the last couple of years, that I

>

>would call it his main disability at this time. He has lost 40 pounds

>

>in the last 2 years because he waits for prompting for every single

>

>movement he must make, from stabbing his food, lifting the fork to

>

>mouth, placing fork in mouth, removing fork, chewing food, continue

>

>chewing food, swallow, etc. He does the same thing with getting

>

>dressed...step by step. He no longer has any interests, or

>

>personality. He is STUCK on this prompt dependent-ness and OCD. I am

>

>becoming severley depressed and also bitter. I used to enjoy spending

>

>time with my son, now it seems more like pure hell. HELP!

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> Mon Oct 2, 2006 8:56 am (PST)

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>Just wondering if you have taken him to a ped.neurologist..I'd be concerned

>that with each " movement " he makes he needs prompting .Possibly some

>neurological issue going on..movement disorder..I don't know but the

>constant need for " prompting " is a major concern especial since it didn't

>exist before.I've heard of prompting for certain things but not every

>single body movement.Has he ever had a CT scan or MRI?

>

>

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>Stacey

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>From: reverseautism <reverseautism@...>

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>Date: 2006/10/01 Sun PM 07:13:21 CDT

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>autism

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>Subject: Losing my son..AGAIN!!

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>My son is 15, diagnosed at age 22 months. has not spoken since he

>

>got a tetanus shot at age 3. My dilemma is this: I feel as though I

>

>am losing my son again, just like I did 13 years ago. He was near

>

>normal at age 10, except for his inability io speak. He has become so

>

>very severely prompt dependent in the last couple of years, that I

>

>would call it his main disability at this time. He has lost 40 pounds

>

>in the last 2 years because he waits for prompting for every single

>

>movement he must make, from stabbing his food, lifting the fork to

>

>mouth, placing fork in mouth, removing fork, chewing food, continue

>

>chewing food, swallow, etc. He does the same thing with getting

>

>dressed...step by step. He no longer has any interests, or

>

>personality. He is STUCK on this prompt dependent-ness and OCD. I am

>

>becoming severley depressed and also bitter. I used to enjoy spending

>

>time with my son, now it seems more like pure hell. HELP!

>

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> Mon Oct 2, 2006 1:13 pm (PST)

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> I can sure relate. My son is now 19 and severley self-abusive.

>It's to the point now that I am considering residential placement for him.

>I have always said he was going to live at home but it's to the point I am

>about to fall apart myself. I have a 15 year old son and a 14 year old

>daughter (bipolar II, unmedicated and 35 weeks pregnant) living at home

>with me. I was up most of the night trying to keep Andy quiet and calmed so

>he wouldn't hit. He has given himself boxer's ears and has blackened both

>of his eyes because of the temporal hitting he does. He even wears a

>protective helmet and it's not protecting enough.

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>reverseautism <reverseautism@...> wrote:

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> My son is 15, diagnosed at age 22 months. has not spoken

>since he

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>got a tetanus shot at age 3. My dilemma is this: I feel as though I

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>am losing my son again, just like I did 13 years ago. He was near

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>normal at age 10, except for his inability io speak. He has become so

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>very severely prompt dependent in the last couple of years, that I

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>would call it his main disability at this time. He has lost 40 pounds

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>in the last 2 years because he waits for prompting for every single

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>movement he must make, from stabbing his food, lifting the fork to

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>mouth, placing fork in mouth, removing fork, chewing food, continue

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>chewing food, swallow, etc. He does the same thing with getting

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>dressed...step by step. He no longer has any interests, or

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>personality. He is STUCK on this prompt dependent-ness and OCD. I am

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>becoming severley depressed and also bitter. I used to enjoy spending

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>time with my son, now it seems more like pure hell. HELP!

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Hi another aussie here.

I would like to clarify a few points about the aussie way of banding etc which I

feel need clarifying.

The actual cost of banding with health insurance over here is more around the

$3,000 - $8,000 (depending on in which state and what surgeon you go to) out of

pocket price that one pays for the privilege of having the band. If you have no

private health insurance, then you are paying up to $18,000. Many of us

bandsters do encourage people to get private health insurance as you have those

ongoing costs of fills and what not. Some of the surgeons do have " packages "

included in their prices like all refills, dietitian appointments, and

headshrinks. Mine actually had 8 free visits to a gym and a personal trainer..

sadly, I could not take advantage of this as I live in the Northern Territory

but got banded in South Australia

Yes the public system is more and more getting into banding but as this is

funded by the government and at no cost of the patient, the waiting list for

this elective surgery is years. You are looking at a 5 to 7 year wait in most

states and hospitals and as the surgery is not considered " critical " you can be

right up there and schedule for surgery tomorrow and you get bumped because

someone with a more urgent need gets priority. Which is really only right.

I do have dispute the quickness in the process from seeing the surgeon and

having surgery.. the normal process is that after the initital appointment with

the surgeon, he sends you away to two weeks or three to one, think about it, and

in the meanwhile, have multi blood tests, have gastrocopy (the look down your

throat into your stomach.. sorry, the word has escaped me), see a dietitian and

in some cases, a head shrinks. If all if fine and after the consultations with

the " professional " are supportive in you being banded, the surgeon usually looks

at his diary and books you in for surgery.. Now the majority of the surgeons

will request that you do the " optifast " fast for two to four weeks before

surgery depending on your size, in the hope to get your liver to reduce down in

size, so it not a problem during surgery. One is told that if they find your

liver too enlargened during surgery, they will revert to open surgery from the

lapro and with my surgeon, she might even abort, treat the liver and then do the

banding another day... The thought of going right up to the table, being knocked

out for surgery and then waking to find it didn't happen was too much for me,

that I stuck with the " Optifast' program so straight, that I didnt even have a

last supper before surgery..

A more truer time period, I believe is about 5 to 6 weeks in the actually

process from initial appointment with the surgeon to surgery..

Cheers

Kerry from Australia

3c.

Re: workplace descrimination could increase

Posted by: " dandmcheck@... " dandmcheck@... checkym1

Thu Nov 8, 2007 3:56 am (PST)

Pardon my Aussie ignorance, and nothing to do with banding, but from reading

all the posts it is my understanding that health insurance is only gained

through employment in US. Is this right? Can you not pay direct to a health

insurance fund yearly? And then does this mean that better jobs are more

likely to have better health plans? It's definitely different here. Everyone

is covered under a general health cover to which we contribute 1% of our

annual income, even the unemployed from their benefits. Then you choose

whether you want to take out private cover as well. Employers don't enter

into health insurance very often. Sometimes they may offer to pay the yearly

contribution or help with medical bills but it's not a common occurence. Once

you've been with a private health insurance company for 1 year, you are then

covered for everything albeit with a small out of pocket expense on some ops

(Banding is about $1800 Au) A large number of people in Australia are ge

tting the b!

and under the government paid health scheme with hospital waiting lists of

only 3 months and it doesn't cost them a cent. It seems like you guys have to

go through a lot of hard work - especially the doctor directed diets for 6 or

12 months. At least it would prove to everyone how committed you are. It's

like a production line over here. Think about it on one day, book an

appointment with the doc later that week and you are in hospital a week later

with a gastric band. Seems a little dangerous to me - but hey that's the

system. I did it although I thought about it for a year and researched as

well. Anyhow sorry for the interrogation, just was curious on how the other

half live.

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