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Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum 

Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A>

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This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

**************************************************************

This week in the HSI Forum

An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

healthy and being told that was the case. "

In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

alternative to soy)?

A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

conditions, of course.

If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

include:

* If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

  a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

  has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

* A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

  a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

  below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

  are supposed to believe.

* An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

  Drug for Osteoporosis. "

If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

the conversations.

**************************************************************

    Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About!

Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No

matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

(if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

**************************************************************

Monday, June 23, 2003

Double Whammy  

Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated

cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And

while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there

are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the

misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for

the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

prescription drugs.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Soy-onara 

Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

compound that is believed to be the active component in

preventing breast cancer.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

Wednesday, June 25, 2003  

McMedicine  

Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

commercial meat products.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

Thursday, June 26, 2003

P53, Where Are You?

Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

take.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

**************************************************************

               BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY

Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using

techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a

system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

step breathing guide.

http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm

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Soy-onara <a

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McMedicine <a

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**************************************************************

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products or you're an HSI member and would like

to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com

**************************************************************

To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit

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http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm

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paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808)

        

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Hi,

>>If soy isoflavones cause

thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

alternative to soy)?

Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens

(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds???

Soy and Thyroid function--

Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A>

<A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A>

Sent from the Internet (Details)

This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

**************************************************************

This week in the HSI Forum

An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

healthy and being told that was the case. "

In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

alternative to soy)?

A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

conditions, of course.

If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

include:

* If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

* A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

are supposed to believe.

* An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

Drug for Osteoporosis. "

If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

the conversations.

**************************************************************

Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About!

Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No

matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

(if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

**************************************************************

Monday, June 23, 2003

Double Whammy

Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated

cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And

while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there

are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the

misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for

the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

prescription drugs.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Soy-onara

Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

compound that is believed to be the active component in

preventing breast cancer.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

Wednesday, June 25, 2003

McMedicine

Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

commercial meat products.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

Thursday, June 26, 2003

P53, Where Are You?

Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

take.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

**************************************************************

BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY

Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using

techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a

system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

step breathing guide.

http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm

(if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

**************************************************************

Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C.

The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written

permission.

**************************************************************

Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please

click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml

**************************************************************

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<a

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ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm

<A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June 23 -

Double Whammy</A> <a

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June 24 -

Soy-onara <a

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June 25 -

McMedicine <a

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June 26 - P53,

Where Are You?

**************************************************************

If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e-Alerts and

products or you're an HSI member and would like

to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com

**************************************************************

To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit

http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm.

Sandy Mintz

http://www.vaccinationnews.com

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm

" Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell (1811-1884),

paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808)

http://www.909shot.com

http://www.redflagsweekly.com

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY

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Hi,

>>If soy isoflavones cause

thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

alternative to soy)?

Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens

(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds???

Soy and Thyroid function--

Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A>

<A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A>

Sent from the Internet (Details)

This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

**************************************************************

This week in the HSI Forum

An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

healthy and being told that was the case. "

In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

alternative to soy)?

A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

conditions, of course.

If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

include:

* If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

* A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

are supposed to believe.

* An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

Drug for Osteoporosis. "

If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

the conversations.

**************************************************************

Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About!

Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No

matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

(if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

**************************************************************

Monday, June 23, 2003

Double Whammy

Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated

cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And

while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there

are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the

misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for

the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

prescription drugs.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

Tuesday, June 24, 2003

Soy-onara

Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

compound that is believed to be the active component in

preventing breast cancer.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

Wednesday, June 25, 2003

McMedicine

Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

commercial meat products.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

Thursday, June 26, 2003

P53, Where Are You?

Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

take.

http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

**************************************************************

BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY

Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using

techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a

system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

step breathing guide.

http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm

(if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

**************************************************************

Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C.

The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written

permission.

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Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please

click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml

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<a

href= " http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag

ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm

<A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June 23 -

Double Whammy</A> <a

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June 24 -

Soy-onara <a

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June 25 -

McMedicine <a

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June 26 - P53,

Where Are You?

**************************************************************

If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e-Alerts and

products or you're an HSI member and would like

to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com

**************************************************************

To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit

http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm.

Sandy Mintz

http://www.vaccinationnews.com

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm

" Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell (1811-1884),

paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808)

http://www.909shot.com

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If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that

approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole

thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our

diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese

and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash

the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it

causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

BOB

> Hi,

>

> >>If soy isoflavones cause

> thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> alternative to soy)?

>

> Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens

(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds???

> Soy and Thyroid function--

>

>

> Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> Sent from the Internet (Details)

>

>

>

> This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

>

> **************************************************************

>

> This week in the HSI Forum

>

> An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

>

> An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

>

> Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

>

> What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> healthy and being told that was the case. "

>

> In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> alternative to soy)?

>

> A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> conditions, of course.

>

> If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

>

> This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

>

> Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> include:

>

> * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

>

> * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> are supposed to believe.

>

> * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> Drug for Osteoporosis. "

>

> If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

> or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

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> Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

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> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

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> Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> Soy-onara

> Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> compound that is believed to be the active component in

> preventing breast cancer.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

>

> Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> McMedicine

> Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> commercial meat products.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

>

> Thursday, June 26, 2003

> P53, Where Are You?

> Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> take.

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If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that

approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole

thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our

diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese

and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash

the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it

causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

BOB

> Hi,

>

> >>If soy isoflavones cause

> thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> alternative to soy)?

>

> Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens

(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds???

> Soy and Thyroid function--

>

>

> Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> Sent from the Internet (Details)

>

>

>

> This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

>

> **************************************************************

>

> This week in the HSI Forum

>

> An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

>

> An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

>

> Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

>

> What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> healthy and being told that was the case. "

>

> In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> alternative to soy)?

>

> A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> conditions, of course.

>

> If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

>

> This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

>

> Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> include:

>

> * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

>

> * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> are supposed to believe.

>

> * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> Drug for Osteoporosis. "

>

> If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

> or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

> on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

> the conversations.

>

> **************************************************************

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>

> Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No

> matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

> cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

> something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

> discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

> know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

> ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

>

> Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

>

> http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

> (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

>

> **************************************************************

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> Monday, June 23, 2003

> Double Whammy

> Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

> attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

> lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated

> cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And

> while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there

> are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the

> misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for

> the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

> prescription drugs.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

>

> Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> Soy-onara

> Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> compound that is believed to be the active component in

> preventing breast cancer.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

>

> Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> McMedicine

> Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> commercial meat products.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

>

> Thursday, June 26, 2003

> P53, Where Are You?

> Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> take.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

>

> **************************************************************

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>

> Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using

> techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a

> system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

> postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

> doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

> considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

> that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

> viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

> discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

> step breathing guide.

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Hello Bob,

I'm not so sure whether your reply was addressed to me or not, since I see my

post at the tail below.

I DID NOT bash soy. However, having said that, I will admit that in line of all

that I know about soy and non-fermented soy products I'm far from being a great

fan of it.

Fermented soy like Tempe, Miso, Tammari, Nato, are all OK and good source of

protein. If I had cancer I would avoid all non-organic non-fermented soy

products. I would certainly not use soy isoflavones if I had ER+ breast cancer

unless it is used (in rare situations) as a promoter for use with a chemo type

agent.

With regards to Japanese and Chinese, while it is true that on the whole they

eat more soy products than westerners, you must bear in mind that on an

individual basis, for them soya is just another item to supplement their diverse

high protein menue, which includes beef, pork, sea food etc. This is a far cry

from the amount of soya eaten by some vegeterian yuppie westerners who might use

soy as their only (or close to that) source of meat substitute, and eat it on a

daily basis. I hope you can see that there is a difference there, and that the

quantity does matter.

If you read the study that White at al. conducted a few years ago, with

americans from oriental origin living in the Bay area USA,

you will understand that axcessive consumption of soy in mid-life was

responsible for the cognitive degeneration ( Including Dementia and Alzheimer )

at older age in many of these people . There seems to a definite link there.

I guess what I'm saying is that soy has some good things and some bad things in

it, and that the jury is still out on this one.

I usually don't like to argue about such things, as I see no merit in it, and

I'm really not arguing this time either.

at the end of the day we all make our individual decisions. I merely wanted to

point that indeed as is the case with most coins, this one has another side as

well.

Regards,

Gubi

Soy and Thyroid function--

>

>

> Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> Sent from the Internet (Details)

>

>

>

> This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

>

> **************************************************************

>

> This week in the HSI Forum

>

> An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

>

> An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

>

> Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

>

> What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> healthy and being told that was the case. "

>

> In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> alternative to soy)?

>

> A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> conditions, of course.

>

> If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

>

> This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

>

> Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> include:

>

> * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

>

> * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> are supposed to believe.

>

> * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> Drug for Osteoporosis. "

>

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> Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> Soy-onara

> Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> compound that is believed to be the active component in

> preventing breast cancer.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

>

> Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> McMedicine

> Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> commercial meat products.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

>

> Thursday, June 26, 2003

> P53, Where Are You?

> Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> take.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

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Hello Bob,

I'm not so sure whether your reply was addressed to me or not, since I see my

post at the tail below.

I DID NOT bash soy. However, having said that, I will admit that in line of all

that I know about soy and non-fermented soy products I'm far from being a great

fan of it.

Fermented soy like Tempe, Miso, Tammari, Nato, are all OK and good source of

protein. If I had cancer I would avoid all non-organic non-fermented soy

products. I would certainly not use soy isoflavones if I had ER+ breast cancer

unless it is used (in rare situations) as a promoter for use with a chemo type

agent.

With regards to Japanese and Chinese, while it is true that on the whole they

eat more soy products than westerners, you must bear in mind that on an

individual basis, for them soya is just another item to supplement their diverse

high protein menue, which includes beef, pork, sea food etc. This is a far cry

from the amount of soya eaten by some vegeterian yuppie westerners who might use

soy as their only (or close to that) source of meat substitute, and eat it on a

daily basis. I hope you can see that there is a difference there, and that the

quantity does matter.

If you read the study that White at al. conducted a few years ago, with

americans from oriental origin living in the Bay area USA,

you will understand that axcessive consumption of soy in mid-life was

responsible for the cognitive degeneration ( Including Dementia and Alzheimer )

at older age in many of these people . There seems to a definite link there.

I guess what I'm saying is that soy has some good things and some bad things in

it, and that the jury is still out on this one.

I usually don't like to argue about such things, as I see no merit in it, and

I'm really not arguing this time either.

at the end of the day we all make our individual decisions. I merely wanted to

point that indeed as is the case with most coins, this one has another side as

well.

Regards,

Gubi

Soy and Thyroid function--

>

>

> Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> Sent from the Internet (Details)

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>

>

> This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

>

> **************************************************************

>

> This week in the HSI Forum

>

> An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

>

> An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

>

> Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

>

> What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> healthy and being told that was the case. "

>

> In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> alternative to soy)?

>

> A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> conditions, of course.

>

> If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

>

> This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

>

> Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> include:

>

> * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

>

> * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> are supposed to believe.

>

> * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> Drug for Osteoporosis. "

>

> If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

> or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

> on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

> the conversations.

>

> **************************************************************

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>

> Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No

> matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

> cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

> something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

> discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

> know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

> ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

>

> Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

>

> http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

> (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

>

> **************************************************************

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> Monday, June 23, 2003

> Double Whammy

> Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

> attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

> lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated

> cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And

> while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there

> are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the

> misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for

> the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

> prescription drugs.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

>

> Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> Soy-onara

> Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> compound that is believed to be the active component in

> preventing breast cancer.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

>

> Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> McMedicine

> Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> commercial meat products.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

>

> Thursday, June 26, 2003

> P53, Where Are You?

> Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> take.

> http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

>

> **************************************************************

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>

> Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using

> techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a

> system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

> postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

> doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

> considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

> that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

> viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

> discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

> step breathing guide.

>

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I appreciate your comments Gubi and will take them to heart since I have

been an avid soy product purchaser. Bev.

Soy and Thyroid function--

> >

> >

> > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > Sent from the Internet (Details)

> >

> >

> >

> > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > This week in the HSI Forum

> >

> > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

> >

> > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

> >

> > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

> >

> > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> > healthy and being told that was the case. "

> >

> > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> > conditions, of course.

> >

> > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

> >

> > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

> >

> > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> > include:

> >

> > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

> >

> > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> > are supposed to believe.

> >

> > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> > Drug for Osteoporosis. "

> >

> > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

> > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

> > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

> > the conversations.

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About!

> >

> > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No

> > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

> > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

> > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

> > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

> > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

> > ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

> >

> > Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

> >

> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

> > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > Monday, June 23, 2003

> > Double Whammy

> > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

> > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

> > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated

> > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And

> > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there

> > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the

> > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for

> > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

> > prescription drugs.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

> >

> > Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> > Soy-onara

> > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> > compound that is believed to be the active component in

> > preventing breast cancer.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

> >

> > Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> > McMedicine

> > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> > commercial meat products.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

> >

> > Thursday, June 26, 2003

> > P53, Where Are You?

> > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> > take.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY

> >

> > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using

> > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a

> > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

> > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

> > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

> > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

> > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

> > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

> > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

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I appreciate your comments Gubi and will take them to heart since I have

been an avid soy product purchaser. Bev.

Soy and Thyroid function--

> >

> >

> > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > Sent from the Internet (Details)

> >

> >

> >

> > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > This week in the HSI Forum

> >

> > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

> >

> > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

> >

> > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

> >

> > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> > healthy and being told that was the case. "

> >

> > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> > conditions, of course.

> >

> > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

> >

> > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

> >

> > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> > include:

> >

> > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

> >

> > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> > are supposed to believe.

> >

> > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> > Drug for Osteoporosis. "

> >

> > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

> > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

> > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

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> > Double Whammy

> > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

> > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

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> > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

> > prescription drugs.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

> >

> > Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> > Soy-onara

> > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> > compound that is believed to be the active component in

> > preventing breast cancer.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

> >

> > Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> > McMedicine

> > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> > commercial meat products.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

> >

> > Thursday, June 26, 2003

> > P53, Where Are You?

> > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> > take.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

> >

> > **************************************************************

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> >

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> > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

> > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

> > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

> > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

> > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

> > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

> > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

> > step breathing guide.

> >

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> >

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> 25 -

> > McMedicine <a

> > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June

> 26 - P53,

> > Where Are You?

> >

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> >

> > Sandy Mintz

> > http://www.vaccinationnews.com

> > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm

> >

> > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell

> (1811-1884),

> > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808)

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> > http://www.redflagsweekly.com

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I have lived in Indonesia for 12 years where 150 million Indonesians

eat tofu and tempe ( both fried at that) every day. There is a high

incidence of goiter here, but usually in very poor populations that eat a

lot of cassava. Most Indonesians eat a well balanced diet with vegetables

as well as the soy products and some eggs and frequently fish which

provides iodine. Their diet is very carbo heavy. every meal is served on

rice- more rice than side dishes. But it goes back to the ancestral diet

thing- it works for them. When they get wealthy enough to buy meat every

day- and processed food- they start to develop heart disease and other

" modern western " illnesses.

Virginia

At 02:37 PM 7/11/03, you wrote:

> If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that

>approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

>suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

>There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole

>thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our

>diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese

>and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

>brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash

>the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

>eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it

>causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

>

>BOB

>

>

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > >>If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens

>(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds???

> > Soy and Thyroid function--

> >

> >

> > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > Sent from the Internet (Details)

> >

> >

> >

> > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > This week in the HSI Forum

> >

> > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

> >

> > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

> >

> > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

> >

> > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> > healthy and being told that was the case. "

> >

> > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> > conditions, of course.

> >

> > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

> >

> > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

> >

> > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> > include:

> >

> > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

> >

> > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> > are supposed to believe.

> >

> > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> > Drug for Osteoporosis. "

> >

> > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

> > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

> > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

> > the conversations.

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About!

> >

> > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No

> > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

> > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

> > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

> > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

> > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

> > ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

> >

> > Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

> >

> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

> > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > Monday, June 23, 2003

> > Double Whammy

> > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

> > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

> > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated

> > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And

> > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there

> > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the

> > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for

> > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

> > prescription drugs.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

> >

> > Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> > Soy-onara

> > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> > compound that is believed to be the active component in

> > preventing breast cancer.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

> >

> > Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> > McMedicine

> > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> > commercial meat products.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

> >

> > Thursday, June 26, 2003

> > P53, Where Are You?

> > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> > take.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY

> >

> > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using

> > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a

> > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

> > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

> > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

> > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

> > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

> > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

> > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

> > step breathing guide.

> >

> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm

> > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C.

> > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written

> > permission.

> >

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> >

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>inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag

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> > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June

>25 -

> > McMedicine <a

> > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June

>26 - P53,

> > Where Are You?

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e-

>Alerts and

> > products or you're an HSI member and would like

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> >

> > **************************************************************

> > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit

> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm.

> >

> > Sandy Mintz

> > http://www.vaccinationnews.com

> > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm

> >

> > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell

>(1811-1884),

> > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808)

> >

> > http://www.909shot.com

> > http://www.redflagsweekly.com

> >

> > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR

>PROVIDED HERE

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>CONSTRUED AS

> > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT

>TO BE

> > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>DECISION

> > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND

>SHOULD BE

> > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE

>PROVIDER.

> >

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I have lived in Indonesia for 12 years where 150 million Indonesians

eat tofu and tempe ( both fried at that) every day. There is a high

incidence of goiter here, but usually in very poor populations that eat a

lot of cassava. Most Indonesians eat a well balanced diet with vegetables

as well as the soy products and some eggs and frequently fish which

provides iodine. Their diet is very carbo heavy. every meal is served on

rice- more rice than side dishes. But it goes back to the ancestral diet

thing- it works for them. When they get wealthy enough to buy meat every

day- and processed food- they start to develop heart disease and other

" modern western " illnesses.

Virginia

At 02:37 PM 7/11/03, you wrote:

> If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that

>approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

>suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

>There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole

>thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our

>diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese

>and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

>brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash

>the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

>eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it

>causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

>

>BOB

>

>

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > >>If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens

>(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds???

> > Soy and Thyroid function--

> >

> >

> > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > Sent from the Internet (Details)

> >

> >

> >

> > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

> >

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> >

> > This week in the HSI Forum

> >

> > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

> >

> > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

> >

> > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

> >

> > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> > healthy and being told that was the case. "

> >

> > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> > conditions, of course.

> >

> > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

> >

> > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

> >

> > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> > include:

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> > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

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> > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

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> > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

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> > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

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My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some

articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese writings

show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out that it

could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese and Chinese

just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a staple.

Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@... .

To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board .

Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that

approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole

thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our

diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese

and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash

the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it

causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

BOB

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My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some

articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese writings

show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out that it

could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese and Chinese

just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a staple.

Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@... .

To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board .

Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that

approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole

thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our

diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese

and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash

the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it

causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

BOB

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Soy and mineral deficiency:

The phytic acid or phytates in soybeans can cause mineral deficiency –

especially zinc deficiency. Asians figured out that eating tofu with

mineral-rich sea vegetables and some animal protein could make up for its

mineral-depleting effects.

Fermented soy foods such as miso and tempeh have the least phytic acid of

all the soy foods. Tofu, whole soybeans, soy milk, soy chips, soy protein

isolates and soy flour contain much higher levels of phytates.

Re: Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some

articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese

writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out

that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese

and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a

staple.

Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@... .

To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board .

Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that

approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole

thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our

diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese

and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash

the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it

causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

BOB

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Soy and mineral deficiency:

The phytic acid or phytates in soybeans can cause mineral deficiency –

especially zinc deficiency. Asians figured out that eating tofu with

mineral-rich sea vegetables and some animal protein could make up for its

mineral-depleting effects.

Fermented soy foods such as miso and tempeh have the least phytic acid of

all the soy foods. Tofu, whole soybeans, soy milk, soy chips, soy protein

isolates and soy flour contain much higher levels of phytates.

Re: Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some

articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese

writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out

that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese

and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a

staple.

Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@... .

To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board .

Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that

approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole

thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our

diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese

and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash

the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it

causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

BOB

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Chinese and Japanese eat soy almost every day of the week. I

lived in Asia (Thailand, Korea, Japan, Guam, Philippines) for close

to 17 years and can tell you that soy and rice are staples of thier

diet and not a supplement to Beef, pork and chicken. Particularly in

Japan where beef is rarely if ever eaten at all. Seafood and not

beef, pork and chicken are the staples in most Asian diets. Chinese

and other Asians eat some beef and pork but not 1/10 th of what

Americans eat. Most Americans eat more beef in one day than the

average Japanese would eat in a year. In fact millions of Japanese

have never eaten beef at all. As close to 1 billion people in India

are Hindus and by religious law, vegetarians, 99 percent of them have

probably never eaten meat in thier lives.

Soy is a very healthy food and not medicine as some seem to

think. Just because some guys in white lab coats with stethoscopes

hanging around thier neck and a roast beef sandwich dangling out of

thier mouths would like to treat food as a drug, it's food just the

same and soy is quite safe and nutritious to eat in any form. Just so

you understand something, India has approximately 1 billion Hindus

and they are all vegetarians and eat lots of soy and no beef at all.

You cannot equate the Chinese food you eat in the states with Chinese

food cooked in Asia, they are two different animals. There are

chinese living on every country on earth and they generally adapt

thier cuisine to the local culture. In Pakistan Chinese food is

loaded with curry, why? because the Pakistani's like lots of curry.

Chinese food in Chinatown in Yokohama , Japan is nothing like you

will ever eat in the states and is more like Japanese food. The menu

is all soy, rice, vegetables and seafood. Most don't serve beef at

all.

It's absolute foolishness and stupidity to rely on some nitwit

study by a couple of white UCLA/Harvard/Yale researchers involving at

best a few hundred people when we already know that there are one

billion people in China and another 100 million in Japan who eat soy

and soy products regularly and have no cognitive difficulties in mid

or later life. In fact, intellectually and healthwise they are

kicking our collective butts and morons like White need to wake up

and smell the Soy milk and get with reality. The entire populations

of China and Japan negate the absolute worthless study by White et

al . To look at some insignificant group in the bay area of San

Francisco and say something that defies the reality that exists and

has existed in both China and Japan for centuries is the height of

stupidity and intellectual arrogance and simply proves the point as

to why there is no cure for cancer after a trillion dollars of

research.

Do you really think that there are hundreds of millions of

people in China, Japan and India living in rest homes with Dementia

and Alzheimers disease? The Japanese have the longest life expectancy

in the world and despite an aging population , in the dementia

department , they are doing a heck of a lot better than we are. By

the way, they eat a lot of seaweed, kelp, soy, rice, sea vegetables,

cooked as well as lots of raw seafood of all kinds. Anything that

lives and moves, they will eat. Chinese and various other Southeast

Asians also eat lots of insects like grasshoppers, crickets and other

species I could never identify. Laos has the lowest rate of Breast

cancer in the world as reported by the WHO and Thailand has the

lowest rates of almost all forms of cancer in the world as reported

by the WHO. Korea has the lowest rates of Prostate cancer in the

world. These are countries where much soy is eaten as is much rice.

Due to the scarcity of land for grazing animals, beef is not

eaten very much at all. Almost never in Japan. Up until very recently

Asians have not consumed dairy products, which means no milk, no

butter , no cheese. Of course much of this is now changing as Beef

from Austrailia is much more accessable, so are dairy products and of

course we good Americans export millions of packages of cigarettes.

I'm sure that in the next 20 years cancer rates amongst these people

will closely resemble ours as they embrace our dietary habits.

I don't have a problem with you or anyone else but to frighten

people away from a perfectly healthy food and attempt to use some

study when entire populations of Asian countries contradict those

studies borders on the absurd. Soy is great and eating it may make

you as smart and to live as long as the Chinese and Japanese. Eat

healthy and prosper.

Best Regards, BOB

> > Hi,

> >

> > >>If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type

phytoestrogens

> (phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e

Flaxseeds???

> > Soy and Thyroid function--

> >

> >

> > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > Sent from the Internet (Details)

> >

> >

> >

> > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > This week in the HSI Forum

> >

> > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

> >

> > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

> >

> > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

> >

> > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> > healthy and being told that was the case. "

> >

> > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> > conditions, of course.

> >

> > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

> >

> > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

> >

> > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> > include:

> >

> > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

> >

> > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> > are supposed to believe.

> >

> > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> > Drug for Osteoporosis. "

> >

> > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

> > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

> > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

> > the conversations.

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> > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About!

> >

> > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No

> > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

> > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

> > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

> > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

> > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

> > ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

> >

> > Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

> >

> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

> > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

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> > Monday, June 23, 2003

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> > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

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> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

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Chinese and Japanese eat soy almost every day of the week. I

lived in Asia (Thailand, Korea, Japan, Guam, Philippines) for close

to 17 years and can tell you that soy and rice are staples of thier

diet and not a supplement to Beef, pork and chicken. Particularly in

Japan where beef is rarely if ever eaten at all. Seafood and not

beef, pork and chicken are the staples in most Asian diets. Chinese

and other Asians eat some beef and pork but not 1/10 th of what

Americans eat. Most Americans eat more beef in one day than the

average Japanese would eat in a year. In fact millions of Japanese

have never eaten beef at all. As close to 1 billion people in India

are Hindus and by religious law, vegetarians, 99 percent of them have

probably never eaten meat in thier lives.

Soy is a very healthy food and not medicine as some seem to

think. Just because some guys in white lab coats with stethoscopes

hanging around thier neck and a roast beef sandwich dangling out of

thier mouths would like to treat food as a drug, it's food just the

same and soy is quite safe and nutritious to eat in any form. Just so

you understand something, India has approximately 1 billion Hindus

and they are all vegetarians and eat lots of soy and no beef at all.

You cannot equate the Chinese food you eat in the states with Chinese

food cooked in Asia, they are two different animals. There are

chinese living on every country on earth and they generally adapt

thier cuisine to the local culture. In Pakistan Chinese food is

loaded with curry, why? because the Pakistani's like lots of curry.

Chinese food in Chinatown in Yokohama , Japan is nothing like you

will ever eat in the states and is more like Japanese food. The menu

is all soy, rice, vegetables and seafood. Most don't serve beef at

all.

It's absolute foolishness and stupidity to rely on some nitwit

study by a couple of white UCLA/Harvard/Yale researchers involving at

best a few hundred people when we already know that there are one

billion people in China and another 100 million in Japan who eat soy

and soy products regularly and have no cognitive difficulties in mid

or later life. In fact, intellectually and healthwise they are

kicking our collective butts and morons like White need to wake up

and smell the Soy milk and get with reality. The entire populations

of China and Japan negate the absolute worthless study by White et

al . To look at some insignificant group in the bay area of San

Francisco and say something that defies the reality that exists and

has existed in both China and Japan for centuries is the height of

stupidity and intellectual arrogance and simply proves the point as

to why there is no cure for cancer after a trillion dollars of

research.

Do you really think that there are hundreds of millions of

people in China, Japan and India living in rest homes with Dementia

and Alzheimers disease? The Japanese have the longest life expectancy

in the world and despite an aging population , in the dementia

department , they are doing a heck of a lot better than we are. By

the way, they eat a lot of seaweed, kelp, soy, rice, sea vegetables,

cooked as well as lots of raw seafood of all kinds. Anything that

lives and moves, they will eat. Chinese and various other Southeast

Asians also eat lots of insects like grasshoppers, crickets and other

species I could never identify. Laos has the lowest rate of Breast

cancer in the world as reported by the WHO and Thailand has the

lowest rates of almost all forms of cancer in the world as reported

by the WHO. Korea has the lowest rates of Prostate cancer in the

world. These are countries where much soy is eaten as is much rice.

Due to the scarcity of land for grazing animals, beef is not

eaten very much at all. Almost never in Japan. Up until very recently

Asians have not consumed dairy products, which means no milk, no

butter , no cheese. Of course much of this is now changing as Beef

from Austrailia is much more accessable, so are dairy products and of

course we good Americans export millions of packages of cigarettes.

I'm sure that in the next 20 years cancer rates amongst these people

will closely resemble ours as they embrace our dietary habits.

I don't have a problem with you or anyone else but to frighten

people away from a perfectly healthy food and attempt to use some

study when entire populations of Asian countries contradict those

studies borders on the absurd. Soy is great and eating it may make

you as smart and to live as long as the Chinese and Japanese. Eat

healthy and prosper.

Best Regards, BOB

> > Hi,

> >

> > >>If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type

phytoestrogens

> (phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e

Flaxseeds???

> > Soy and Thyroid function--

> >

> >

> > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > Sent from the Internet (Details)

> >

> >

> >

> > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > This week in the HSI Forum

> >

> > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

> >

> > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

> >

> > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

> >

> > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> > healthy and being told that was the case. "

> >

> > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> > conditions, of course.

> >

> > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

> >

> > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

> >

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> > include:

> >

> > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

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> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

> >

> > Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> > Soy-onara

> > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> > compound that is believed to be the active component in

> > preventing breast cancer.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

> >

> > Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> > McMedicine

> > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> > commercial meat products.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

> >

> > Thursday, June 26, 2003

> > P53, Where Are You?

> > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

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> > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

> > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

> > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

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> >

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Virginia, good post. There are several places on earth where

the incidence of Goiter (thyroid disease) is high or was high in the

past. Some pacific islands also have this problem and during the

1930's Goiter was a problem that effected a good part of the American

midwest, otherwise known as ''the Goiter belt''. The problem stems

from lack of Iodine in the native soil. Our government attempted to

solve this problem by having salt companies make it available in the

form of iodized salt. It's the one condiment that almost all

Americans used and it could be stored indefinitely. We pretty much do

not have this problem any longer as most vegetables eaten today come

from California, Florida, Mexico and South America. If you lived in

the midwest, ate only locally grown vegetables and ate no iodized

salt it is possible you could have thyroid problems. There are

programs now run by the WHO to get iodine into the diets of the

people you mentioned. I do not know if the soy plant is a good

carrier of iodine either. Some plants are better than others in

extracting various minerals from the soil. For examble garlic uptakes

a lot of selenium in soil that is rich in selenium. However, garlic

grown in soil devoid of selenium won't have any selenium in it, yet

it will look and taste the same as galic that does.

Goiter and thyroid problems are most often due to either a lack

of iodine or an inability by an individual to absorb iodine, which is

a metabolic problem of the individual and not caused by soy.

Unfortunately it's unknown why such people have this problem and it

could be from eating the wrong foods or foods which may prevent the

absorbtion of iodine. I have never read anywhere that soy prevents

such absorbtion or interferes with thyroid regulation.

Unfortunately at the moment there is a war going on between the

soy and dairy industry for the hearts and minds of consumers. There

are many problems associated with dairy consumption and in recent

years the dairy industry through it's surrogates has led a campaign

against soy and soy products.

Regards, BOB

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > >>If soy isoflavones cause

> > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > > alternative to soy)?

> > >

> > > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type

phytoestrogens

> >(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds???

> > > Soy and Thyroid function--

> > >

> > >

> > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > > Sent from the Internet (Details)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

> > >

> > > **************************************************************

> > >

> > > This week in the HSI Forum

> > >

> > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

> > >

> > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

> > >

> > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

> > >

> > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> > > healthy and being told that was the case. "

> > >

> > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > > alternative to soy)?

> > >

> > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> > > conditions, of course.

> > >

> > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

> > >

> > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

> > >

> > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> > > include:

> > >

> > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

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> > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> > > are supposed to believe.

> > >

> > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> > > Drug for Osteoporosis. "

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> > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

> > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

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> > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

> > > prescription drugs.

> > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

> > >

> > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> > > Soy-onara

> > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> > > compound that is believed to be the active component in

> > > preventing breast cancer.

> > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

> > >

> > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> > > McMedicine

> > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> > > commercial meat products.

> > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

> > >

> > > Thursday, June 26, 2003

> > > P53, Where Are You?

> > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> > > take.

> > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

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Virginia, good post. There are several places on earth where

the incidence of Goiter (thyroid disease) is high or was high in the

past. Some pacific islands also have this problem and during the

1930's Goiter was a problem that effected a good part of the American

midwest, otherwise known as ''the Goiter belt''. The problem stems

from lack of Iodine in the native soil. Our government attempted to

solve this problem by having salt companies make it available in the

form of iodized salt. It's the one condiment that almost all

Americans used and it could be stored indefinitely. We pretty much do

not have this problem any longer as most vegetables eaten today come

from California, Florida, Mexico and South America. If you lived in

the midwest, ate only locally grown vegetables and ate no iodized

salt it is possible you could have thyroid problems. There are

programs now run by the WHO to get iodine into the diets of the

people you mentioned. I do not know if the soy plant is a good

carrier of iodine either. Some plants are better than others in

extracting various minerals from the soil. For examble garlic uptakes

a lot of selenium in soil that is rich in selenium. However, garlic

grown in soil devoid of selenium won't have any selenium in it, yet

it will look and taste the same as galic that does.

Goiter and thyroid problems are most often due to either a lack

of iodine or an inability by an individual to absorb iodine, which is

a metabolic problem of the individual and not caused by soy.

Unfortunately it's unknown why such people have this problem and it

could be from eating the wrong foods or foods which may prevent the

absorbtion of iodine. I have never read anywhere that soy prevents

such absorbtion or interferes with thyroid regulation.

Unfortunately at the moment there is a war going on between the

soy and dairy industry for the hearts and minds of consumers. There

are many problems associated with dairy consumption and in recent

years the dairy industry through it's surrogates has led a campaign

against soy and soy products.

Regards, BOB

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > >>If soy isoflavones cause

> > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > > alternative to soy)?

> > >

> > > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type

phytoestrogens

> >(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds???

> > > Soy and Thyroid function--

> > >

> > >

> > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > > Sent from the Internet (Details)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

> > >

> > > **************************************************************

> > >

> > > This week in the HSI Forum

> > >

> > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

> > >

> > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

> > >

> > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

> > >

> > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> > > healthy and being told that was the case. "

> > >

> > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > > alternative to soy)?

> > >

> > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> > > conditions, of course.

> > >

> > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

> > >

> > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

> > >

> > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> > > include:

> > >

> > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

> > >

> > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> > > are supposed to believe.

> > >

> > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> > > Drug for Osteoporosis. "

> > >

> > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

> > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

> > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

> > > the conversations.

> > >

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> > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

> > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

> > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

> > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

> > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

> > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

> > >

> > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

> > >

> > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

> > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

> > >

> > > **************************************************************

> > >

> > > Monday, June 23, 2003

> > > Double Whammy

> > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

> > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

> > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated

> > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And

> > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there

> > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the

> > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for

> > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

> > > prescription drugs.

> > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

> > >

> > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> > > Soy-onara

> > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> > > compound that is believed to be the active component in

> > > preventing breast cancer.

> > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

> > >

> > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> > > McMedicine

> > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> > > commercial meat products.

> > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

> > >

> > > Thursday, June 26, 2003

> > > P53, Where Are You?

> > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> > > take.

> > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

> > >

> > > **************************************************************

> > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY

> > >

> > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using

> > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a

> > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

> > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

> > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

> > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

> > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

> > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

> > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

> > > step breathing guide.

> > >

> > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm

> > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

> > >

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> > > Sandy Mintz

> > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com

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> > >

> > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell

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I hate to tell you this but i've lived in Asia for 17 years and

people eat soy and soy products almost daily. Lots of soy milk and

lots of tofu. It's definitely not a condiment. In Japan beef could be

considered a condiment because it is eaten so seldom if at all.

Of course neither the Chinese or the Japanese have much to say

about dairy products as they don't consume them so there was no

reason to write about them.

BOB

-- In cures for cancer , " Loyd, Ph.D. " <drloyd@c...>

wrote:

> My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will

find some articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references.

Ancient Chinese writings show that they knew that it was toxic.

Eventually they figured out that it could be made less toxic by

fermentation. Even now most Japanese and Chinese just use soy as as

a condiment in very small amounts, never a staple.

>

> Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@c... .

> To buy or sell used equipment, check out

http://www.royalrife.com/board .

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>

> Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

>

>

> If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean

that

> approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

> suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

> There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this

whole

> thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in

our

> diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million

Japanese

> and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

> brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to

bash

> the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

> eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that

it

> causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

>

> BOB

>

>

>

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I hate to tell you this but i've lived in Asia for 17 years and

people eat soy and soy products almost daily. Lots of soy milk and

lots of tofu. It's definitely not a condiment. In Japan beef could be

considered a condiment because it is eaten so seldom if at all.

Of course neither the Chinese or the Japanese have much to say

about dairy products as they don't consume them so there was no

reason to write about them.

BOB

-- In cures for cancer , " Loyd, Ph.D. " <drloyd@c...>

wrote:

> My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will

find some articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references.

Ancient Chinese writings show that they knew that it was toxic.

Eventually they figured out that it could be made less toxic by

fermentation. Even now most Japanese and Chinese just use soy as as

a condiment in very small amounts, never a staple.

>

> Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@c... .

> To buy or sell used equipment, check out

http://www.royalrife.com/board .

>

>

> Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

>

>

> If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean

that

> approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

> suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

> There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this

whole

> thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in

our

> diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million

Japanese

> and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

> brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to

bash

> the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

> eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that

it

> causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

>

> BOB

>

>

>

>

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That may add some insight into those people who have mineral

absorbtion problems independent of soy consumption. If one already

has such a problem the ingestion of soy may not be helpful.

BOB

> Soy and mineral deficiency:

>

> The phytic acid or phytates in soybeans can cause mineral

deficiency –

> especially zinc deficiency. Asians figured out that eating tofu

with

> mineral-rich sea vegetables and some animal protein could make up

for its

> mineral-depleting effects.

>

> Fermented soy foods such as miso and tempeh have the least phytic

acid of

> all the soy foods. Tofu, whole soybeans, soy milk, soy chips, soy

protein

> isolates and soy flour contain much higher levels of phytates.

>

>

>

>

> Re: Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

>

> My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will

find some

> articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient

Chinese

> writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they

figured out

> that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most

Japanese

> and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts,

never a

> staple.

>

> Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@c... .

> To buy or sell used equipment, check out

http://www.royalrife.com/board .

>

>

> Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

>

>

> If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean

that

> approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

> suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

> There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole

> thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our

> diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million

Japanese

> and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

> brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash

> the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

> eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it

> causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

>

> BOB

>

>

>

>

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That may add some insight into those people who have mineral

absorbtion problems independent of soy consumption. If one already

has such a problem the ingestion of soy may not be helpful.

BOB

> Soy and mineral deficiency:

>

> The phytic acid or phytates in soybeans can cause mineral

deficiency –

> especially zinc deficiency. Asians figured out that eating tofu

with

> mineral-rich sea vegetables and some animal protein could make up

for its

> mineral-depleting effects.

>

> Fermented soy foods such as miso and tempeh have the least phytic

acid of

> all the soy foods. Tofu, whole soybeans, soy milk, soy chips, soy

protein

> isolates and soy flour contain much higher levels of phytates.

>

>

>

>

> Re: Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

>

> My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will

find some

> articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient

Chinese

> writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they

figured out

> that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most

Japanese

> and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts,

never a

> staple.

>

> Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@c... .

> To buy or sell used equipment, check out

http://www.royalrife.com/board .

>

>

> Re: Soy and Thyroid function--

>

>

> If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean

that

> approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be

> suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not!

> There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole

> thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our

> diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million

Japanese

> and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease

> brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash

> the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are

> eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it

> causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not.

>

> BOB

>

>

>

>

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SOOOY... what had we here???

We had a lecture that was SOOOY interesting.

I hope, for your sake, that you enjoyed it as the rest of us did...

Soy and Thyroid function--

> >

> >

> > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > Sent from the Internet (Details)

> >

> >

> >

> > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > This week in the HSI Forum

> >

> > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

> >

> > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

> >

> > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

> >

> > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> > healthy and being told that was the case. "

> >

> > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> > conditions, of course.

> >

> > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

> >

> > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

> >

> > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> > include:

> >

> > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

> >

> > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> > are supposed to believe.

> >

> > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> > Drug for Osteoporosis. "

> >

> > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

> > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

> > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

> > the conversations.

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About!

> >

> > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No

> > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

> > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

> > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

> > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

> > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

> > ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

> >

> > Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

> >

> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

> > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > Monday, June 23, 2003

> > Double Whammy

> > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

> > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

> > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated

> > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And

> > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there

> > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the

> > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for

> > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

> > prescription drugs.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

> >

> > Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> > Soy-onara

> > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> > compound that is believed to be the active component in

> > preventing breast cancer.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

> >

> > Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> > McMedicine

> > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> > commercial meat products.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

> >

> > Thursday, June 26, 2003

> > P53, Where Are You?

> > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> > take.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY

> >

> > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using

> > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a

> > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

> > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

> > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

> > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

> > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

> > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

> > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

> > step breathing guide.

> >

> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm

> > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

> >

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> >

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June

> 25 -

> > McMedicine <a

> >

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June

> 26 - P53,

> > Where Are You?

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e-

> Alerts and

> > products or you're an HSI member and would like

> > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com

> >

> > **************************************************************

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> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm.

> >

> > Sandy Mintz

> > http://www.vaccinationnews.com

> > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm

> >

> > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell

> (1811-1884),

> > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808)

> >

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> > http://www.redflagsweekly.com

> >

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THE

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SOOOY... what had we here???

We had a lecture that was SOOOY interesting.

I hope, for your sake, that you enjoyed it as the rest of us did...

Soy and Thyroid function--

> >

> >

> > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum

> > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time

> > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A>

> > Sent from the Internet (Details)

> >

> >

> >

> > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > This week in the HSI Forum

> >

> > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week,

> > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not

> > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about

> > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other

> > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer.

> >

> > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that

> > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a

> > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate

> > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism.

> > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid

> > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the

> > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones.

> >

> > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst

> > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I

> > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped

> > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. "

> >

> > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she

> > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating

> > healthy and being told that was the case. "

> >

> > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's

> > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are

> > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause

> > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other

> > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an

> > alternative to soy)?

> >

> > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a

> > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web

> > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red

> > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with

> > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid

> > conditions, of course.

> >

> > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use

> > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid

> > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of

> > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or

> > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair.

> >

> > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are

> > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should

> > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid

> > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and

> > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And

> > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any

> > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition.

> >

> > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week

> > include:

> >

> > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is

> > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which

> > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate.

> >

> > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is

> > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see

> > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we

> > are supposed to believe.

> >

> > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe

> > Drug for Osteoporosis. "

> >

> > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these

> > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log

> > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with

> > the conversations.

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About!

> >

> > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No

> > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease,

> > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is

> > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough

> > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even

> > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the

> > ultimate guide to " underground " cures.

> >

> > Learn more about these miraculous treatments:

> >

> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

> > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > Monday, June 23, 2003

> > Double Whammy

> > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart

> > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol-

> > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated

> > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And

> > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there

> > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the

> > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for

> > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple

> > prescription drugs.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml

> >

> > Tuesday, June 24, 2003

> > Soy-onara

> > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what

> > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question,

> > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a

> > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some

> > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful

> > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the

> > compound that is believed to be the active component in

> > preventing breast cancer.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml

> >

> > Wednesday, June 25, 2003

> > McMedicine

> > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to

> > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not

> > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be

> > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new

> > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face

> > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that

> > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of

> > commercial meat products.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml

> >

> > Thursday, June 26, 2003

> > P53, Where Are You?

> > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality

> > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another

> > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely

> > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll

> > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new

> > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet

> > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can

> > take.

> > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY

> >

> > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using

> > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a

> > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body

> > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese

> > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi,

> > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source

> > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds,

> > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and

> > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by

> > step breathing guide.

> >

> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm

> > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below)

> >

> > **************************************************************

> >

> > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C.

> > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without

written

> > permission.

> >

> > **************************************************************

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> > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml

> >

> > **************************************************************

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> inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag

> > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm

> > <a

> > href= " http://www.agora-

> inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag

> > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm

> > <A

HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June

> 23 -

> > Double Whammy</A> <a

> >

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June

> 24 -

> > Soy-onara <a

> >

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June

> 25 -

> > McMedicine <a

> >

href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June

> 26 - P53,

> > Where Are You?

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e-

> Alerts and

> > products or you're an HSI member and would like

> > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com

> >

> > **************************************************************

> > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit

> > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm.

> >

> > Sandy Mintz

> > http://www.vaccinationnews.com

> > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm

> >

> > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell

> (1811-1884),

> > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808)

> >

> > http://www.909shot.com

> > http://www.redflagsweekly.com

> >

> > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR

> PROVIDED HERE

> > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE

> CONSTRUED AS

> > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS

NOT

> TO BE

> > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE.

THE

> DECISION

> > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE

AND

> SHOULD BE

> > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH

CARE

> PROVIDER.

> >

> > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN

NO WAY

> > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE

> AUTHOR OR

> > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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