Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A> <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert ************************************************************** This week in the HSI Forum An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating healthy and being told that was the case. " In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an alternative to soy)? A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red clover, it should be used with caution by patients with hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid conditions, of course. If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week include: * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we are supposed to believe. * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe Drug for Osteoporosis. " If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with the conversations. ************************************************************** Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the ultimate guide to " underground " cures. Learn more about these miraculous treatments: http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) ************************************************************** Monday, June 23, 2003 Double Whammy Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple prescription drugs. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml Tuesday, June 24, 2003 Soy-onara Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the compound that is believed to be the active component in preventing breast cancer. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml Wednesday, June 25, 2003 McMedicine Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that is rapidly developing through the general consumption of commercial meat products. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml Thursday, June 26, 2003 P53, Where Are You? Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll examine the groundbreaking details of this important new study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet might be one of the best preventive health measures you can take. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml ************************************************************** BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a system of breathing techniques combined with simple body postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by step breathing guide. http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) ************************************************************** Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. 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Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Hi, >>If soy isoflavones cause thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an alternative to soy)? Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens (phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds??? Soy and Thyroid function-- Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A> <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert ************************************************************** This week in the HSI Forum An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating healthy and being told that was the case. " In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an alternative to soy)? A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red clover, it should be used with caution by patients with hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid conditions, of course. If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week include: * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we are supposed to believe. * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe Drug for Osteoporosis. " If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with the conversations. ************************************************************** Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the ultimate guide to " underground " cures. Learn more about these miraculous treatments: http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) ************************************************************** Monday, June 23, 2003 Double Whammy Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple prescription drugs. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml Tuesday, June 24, 2003 Soy-onara Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the compound that is believed to be the active component in preventing breast cancer. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml Wednesday, June 25, 2003 McMedicine Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that is rapidly developing through the general consumption of commercial meat products. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml Thursday, June 26, 2003 P53, Where Are You? Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll examine the groundbreaking details of this important new study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet might be one of the best preventive health measures you can take. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml ************************************************************** BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a system of breathing techniques combined with simple body postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by step breathing guide. http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) ************************************************************** Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. 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Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Hi, >>If soy isoflavones cause thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an alternative to soy)? Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens (phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds??? Soy and Thyroid function-- Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A> <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@... " >sandym@...</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert ************************************************************** This week in the HSI Forum An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating healthy and being told that was the case. " In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an alternative to soy)? A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red clover, it should be used with caution by patients with hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid conditions, of course. If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week include: * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we are supposed to believe. * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe Drug for Osteoporosis. " If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with the conversations. ************************************************************** Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the ultimate guide to " underground " cures. Learn more about these miraculous treatments: http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) ************************************************************** Monday, June 23, 2003 Double Whammy Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple prescription drugs. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml Tuesday, June 24, 2003 Soy-onara Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the compound that is believed to be the active component in preventing breast cancer. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml Wednesday, June 25, 2003 McMedicine Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that is rapidly developing through the general consumption of commercial meat products. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml Thursday, June 26, 2003 P53, Where Are You? Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll examine the groundbreaking details of this important new study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet might be one of the best preventive health measures you can take. http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml ************************************************************** BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a system of breathing techniques combined with simple body postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by step breathing guide. http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) ************************************************************** Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written permission. ************************************************************** Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml ************************************************************** HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users <a href= " http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm <a href= " http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June 23 - Double Whammy</A> <a href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June 24 - Soy-onara <a href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June 25 - McMedicine <a href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June 26 - P53, Where Are You? ************************************************************** If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e-Alerts and products or you're an HSI member and would like to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com ************************************************************** To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. Sandy Mintz http://www.vaccinationnews.com http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell (1811-1884), paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) http://www.909shot.com http://www.redflagsweekly.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE AUTHOR OR AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. BOB > Hi, > > >>If soy isoflavones cause > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > alternative to soy)? > > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens (phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds??? > Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > ************************************************************** > > This week in the HSI Forum > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > alternative to soy)? > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > conditions, of course. > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > include: > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > are supposed to believe. > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > the conversations. > > ************************************************************** > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > ************************************************************** > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > Double Whammy > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > prescription drugs. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > Soy-onara > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > compound that is believed to be the active component in > preventing breast cancer. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > McMedicine > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > commercial meat products. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > P53, Where Are You? > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > take. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > ************************************************************** > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > step breathing guide. > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > ************************************************************** > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > permission. > > ************************************************************** > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > ************************************************************** > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > <a > href= " http://www.agora- inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > <a > href= " http://www.agora- inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June 23 - > Double Whammy</A> <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June 24 - > Soy-onara <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June 25 - > McMedicine <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June 26 - P53, > Where Are You? > > ************************************************************** > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- Alerts and > products or you're an HSI member and would like > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > ************************************************************** > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > Sandy Mintz > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. BOB > Hi, > > >>If soy isoflavones cause > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > alternative to soy)? > > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens (phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds??? > Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > ************************************************************** > > This week in the HSI Forum > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > alternative to soy)? > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > conditions, of course. > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > include: > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > are supposed to believe. > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > the conversations. > > ************************************************************** > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > ************************************************************** > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > Double Whammy > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > prescription drugs. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > Soy-onara > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > compound that is believed to be the active component in > preventing breast cancer. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > McMedicine > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > commercial meat products. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > P53, Where Are You? > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > take. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > ************************************************************** > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > step breathing guide. > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > ************************************************************** > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > permission. > > ************************************************************** > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > ************************************************************** > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > <a > href= " http://www.agora- inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > <a > href= " http://www.agora- inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June 23 - > Double Whammy</A> <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June 24 - > Soy-onara <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June 25 - > McMedicine <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June 26 - P53, > Where Are You? > > ************************************************************** > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- Alerts and > products or you're an HSI member and would like > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > ************************************************************** > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > Sandy Mintz > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell (1811-1884), > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > http://www.909shot.com > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE AUTHOR OR > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Hello Bob, I'm not so sure whether your reply was addressed to me or not, since I see my post at the tail below. I DID NOT bash soy. However, having said that, I will admit that in line of all that I know about soy and non-fermented soy products I'm far from being a great fan of it. Fermented soy like Tempe, Miso, Tammari, Nato, are all OK and good source of protein. If I had cancer I would avoid all non-organic non-fermented soy products. I would certainly not use soy isoflavones if I had ER+ breast cancer unless it is used (in rare situations) as a promoter for use with a chemo type agent. With regards to Japanese and Chinese, while it is true that on the whole they eat more soy products than westerners, you must bear in mind that on an individual basis, for them soya is just another item to supplement their diverse high protein menue, which includes beef, pork, sea food etc. This is a far cry from the amount of soya eaten by some vegeterian yuppie westerners who might use soy as their only (or close to that) source of meat substitute, and eat it on a daily basis. I hope you can see that there is a difference there, and that the quantity does matter. If you read the study that White at al. conducted a few years ago, with americans from oriental origin living in the Bay area USA, you will understand that axcessive consumption of soy in mid-life was responsible for the cognitive degeneration ( Including Dementia and Alzheimer ) at older age in many of these people . There seems to a definite link there. I guess what I'm saying is that soy has some good things and some bad things in it, and that the jury is still out on this one. I usually don't like to argue about such things, as I see no merit in it, and I'm really not arguing this time either. at the end of the day we all make our individual decisions. I merely wanted to point that indeed as is the case with most coins, this one has another side as well. Regards, Gubi Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > ************************************************************** > > This week in the HSI Forum > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > alternative to soy)? > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > conditions, of course. > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > include: > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > are supposed to believe. > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > the conversations. > > ************************************************************** > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > ************************************************************** > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > Double Whammy > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > prescription drugs. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > Soy-onara > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > compound that is believed to be the active component in > preventing breast cancer. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > McMedicine > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > commercial meat products. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > P53, Where Are You? > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > take. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > ************************************************************** > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > step breathing guide. > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > ************************************************************** > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > permission. > > ************************************************************** > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > ************************************************************** > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > <a > href= " http://www.agora- inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > <a > href= " http://www.agora- inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June 23 - > Double Whammy</A> <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June 24 - > Soy-onara <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June 25 - > McMedicine <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June 26 - P53, > Where Are You? > > ************************************************************** > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- Alerts and > products or you're an HSI member and would like > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > ************************************************************** > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > Sandy Mintz > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell (1811-1884), > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > http://www.909shot.com > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE AUTHOR OR > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Hello Bob, I'm not so sure whether your reply was addressed to me or not, since I see my post at the tail below. I DID NOT bash soy. However, having said that, I will admit that in line of all that I know about soy and non-fermented soy products I'm far from being a great fan of it. Fermented soy like Tempe, Miso, Tammari, Nato, are all OK and good source of protein. If I had cancer I would avoid all non-organic non-fermented soy products. I would certainly not use soy isoflavones if I had ER+ breast cancer unless it is used (in rare situations) as a promoter for use with a chemo type agent. With regards to Japanese and Chinese, while it is true that on the whole they eat more soy products than westerners, you must bear in mind that on an individual basis, for them soya is just another item to supplement their diverse high protein menue, which includes beef, pork, sea food etc. This is a far cry from the amount of soya eaten by some vegeterian yuppie westerners who might use soy as their only (or close to that) source of meat substitute, and eat it on a daily basis. I hope you can see that there is a difference there, and that the quantity does matter. If you read the study that White at al. conducted a few years ago, with americans from oriental origin living in the Bay area USA, you will understand that axcessive consumption of soy in mid-life was responsible for the cognitive degeneration ( Including Dementia and Alzheimer ) at older age in many of these people . There seems to a definite link there. I guess what I'm saying is that soy has some good things and some bad things in it, and that the jury is still out on this one. I usually don't like to argue about such things, as I see no merit in it, and I'm really not arguing this time either. at the end of the day we all make our individual decisions. I merely wanted to point that indeed as is the case with most coins, this one has another side as well. Regards, Gubi Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > ************************************************************** > > This week in the HSI Forum > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > alternative to soy)? > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > conditions, of course. > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > include: > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > are supposed to believe. > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > the conversations. > > ************************************************************** > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > ************************************************************** > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > Double Whammy > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > prescription drugs. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > Soy-onara > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > compound that is believed to be the active component in > preventing breast cancer. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > McMedicine > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > commercial meat products. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > P53, Where Are You? > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > take. > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > ************************************************************** > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > step breathing guide. > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > ************************************************************** > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > permission. > > ************************************************************** > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > ************************************************************** > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > <a > href= " http://www.agora- inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > <a > href= " http://www.agora- inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June 23 - > Double Whammy</A> <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June 24 - > Soy-onara <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June 25 - > McMedicine <a > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June 26 - P53, > Where Are You? > > ************************************************************** > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- Alerts and > products or you're an HSI member and would like > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > ************************************************************** > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > Sandy Mintz > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell (1811-1884), > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > http://www.909shot.com > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE AUTHOR OR > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 I appreciate your comments Gubi and will take them to heart since I have been an avid soy product purchaser. Bev. Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > This week in the HSI Forum > > > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > > conditions, of course. > > > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > > include: > > > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > > are supposed to believe. > > > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > > the conversations. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > > Double Whammy > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > > prescription drugs. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > > Soy-onara > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > > compound that is believed to be the active component in > > preventing breast cancer. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > > McMedicine > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > > commercial meat products. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > > P53, Where Are You? > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > > take. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > > step breathing guide. > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > > permission. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June > 23 - > > Double Whammy</A> <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June > 24 - > > Soy-onara <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June > 25 - > > McMedicine <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June > 26 - P53, > > Where Are You? > > > > ************************************************************** > > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- > Alerts and > > products or you're an HSI member and would like > > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > > > ************************************************************** > > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > > > Sandy Mintz > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell > (1811-1884), > > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > > > http://www.909shot.com > > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR > PROVIDED HERE > > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE > CONSTRUED AS > > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT > TO BE > > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > DECISION > > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND > SHOULD BE > > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE > PROVIDER. > > > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE > AUTHOR OR > > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 I appreciate your comments Gubi and will take them to heart since I have been an avid soy product purchaser. Bev. Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > This week in the HSI Forum > > > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > > conditions, of course. > > > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > > include: > > > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > > are supposed to believe. > > > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > > the conversations. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > > Double Whammy > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > > prescription drugs. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > > Soy-onara > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > > compound that is believed to be the active component in > > preventing breast cancer. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > > McMedicine > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > > commercial meat products. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > > P53, Where Are You? > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > > take. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > > step breathing guide. > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > > permission. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June > 23 - > > Double Whammy</A> <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June > 24 - > > Soy-onara <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June > 25 - > > McMedicine <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June > 26 - P53, > > Where Are You? > > > > ************************************************************** > > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- > Alerts and > > products or you're an HSI member and would like > > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > > > ************************************************************** > > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > > > Sandy Mintz > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell > (1811-1884), > > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > > > http://www.909shot.com > > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR > PROVIDED HERE > > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE > CONSTRUED AS > > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT > TO BE > > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > DECISION > > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND > SHOULD BE > > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE > PROVIDER. > > > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE > AUTHOR OR > > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 I have lived in Indonesia for 12 years where 150 million Indonesians eat tofu and tempe ( both fried at that) every day. There is a high incidence of goiter here, but usually in very poor populations that eat a lot of cassava. Most Indonesians eat a well balanced diet with vegetables as well as the soy products and some eggs and frequently fish which provides iodine. Their diet is very carbo heavy. every meal is served on rice- more rice than side dishes. But it goes back to the ancestral diet thing- it works for them. When they get wealthy enough to buy meat every day- and processed food- they start to develop heart disease and other " modern western " illnesses. Virginia At 02:37 PM 7/11/03, you wrote: > If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that >approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be >suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! >There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole >thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our >diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese >and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease >brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash >the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are >eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it >causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. > >BOB > > > > > Hi, > > > > >>If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens >(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds??? > > Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > This week in the HSI Forum > > > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > > conditions, of course. > > > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > > include: > > > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > > are supposed to believe. > > > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > > the conversations. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > > Double Whammy > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > > prescription drugs. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > > Soy-onara > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > > compound that is believed to be the active component in > > preventing breast cancer. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > > McMedicine > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > > commercial meat products. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > > P53, Where Are You? > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > > take. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > > step breathing guide. > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > > permission. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- >inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- >inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June >23 - > > Double Whammy</A> <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June >24 - > > Soy-onara <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June >25 - > > McMedicine <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June >26 - P53, > > Where Are You? > > > > ************************************************************** > > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- >Alerts and > > products or you're an HSI member and would like > > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > > > ************************************************************** > > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > > > Sandy Mintz > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell >(1811-1884), > > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > > > http://www.909shot.com > > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR >PROVIDED HERE > > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE >CONSTRUED AS > > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT >TO BE > > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE >DECISION > > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND >SHOULD BE > > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE >PROVIDER. > > > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE >AUTHOR OR > > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 I have lived in Indonesia for 12 years where 150 million Indonesians eat tofu and tempe ( both fried at that) every day. There is a high incidence of goiter here, but usually in very poor populations that eat a lot of cassava. Most Indonesians eat a well balanced diet with vegetables as well as the soy products and some eggs and frequently fish which provides iodine. Their diet is very carbo heavy. every meal is served on rice- more rice than side dishes. But it goes back to the ancestral diet thing- it works for them. When they get wealthy enough to buy meat every day- and processed food- they start to develop heart disease and other " modern western " illnesses. Virginia At 02:37 PM 7/11/03, you wrote: > If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that >approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be >suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! >There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole >thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our >diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese >and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease >brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash >the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are >eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it >causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. > >BOB > > > > > Hi, > > > > >>If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens >(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds??? > > Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > This week in the HSI Forum > > > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > > conditions, of course. > > > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > > include: > > > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > > are supposed to believe. > > > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > > the conversations. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > > Double Whammy > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > > prescription drugs. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > > Soy-onara > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > > compound that is believed to be the active component in > > preventing breast cancer. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > > McMedicine > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > > commercial meat products. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > > P53, Where Are You? > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > > take. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > > step breathing guide. > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > > permission. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- >inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- >inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June >23 - > > Double Whammy</A> <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June >24 - > > Soy-onara <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June >25 - > > McMedicine <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June >26 - P53, > > Where Are You? > > > > ************************************************************** > > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- >Alerts and > > products or you're an HSI member and would like > > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > > > ************************************************************** > > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > > > Sandy Mintz > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a staple. Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@... . To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board . Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. BOB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a staple. Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@... . To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board . Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. BOB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Soy and mineral deficiency: The phytic acid or phytates in soybeans can cause mineral deficiency – especially zinc deficiency. Asians figured out that eating tofu with mineral-rich sea vegetables and some animal protein could make up for its mineral-depleting effects. Fermented soy foods such as miso and tempeh have the least phytic acid of all the soy foods. Tofu, whole soybeans, soy milk, soy chips, soy protein isolates and soy flour contain much higher levels of phytates. Re: Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a staple. Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@... . To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board . Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. BOB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Soy and mineral deficiency: The phytic acid or phytates in soybeans can cause mineral deficiency – especially zinc deficiency. Asians figured out that eating tofu with mineral-rich sea vegetables and some animal protein could make up for its mineral-depleting effects. Fermented soy foods such as miso and tempeh have the least phytic acid of all the soy foods. Tofu, whole soybeans, soy milk, soy chips, soy protein isolates and soy flour contain much higher levels of phytates. Re: Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a staple. Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@... . To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board . Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. BOB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Chinese and Japanese eat soy almost every day of the week. I lived in Asia (Thailand, Korea, Japan, Guam, Philippines) for close to 17 years and can tell you that soy and rice are staples of thier diet and not a supplement to Beef, pork and chicken. Particularly in Japan where beef is rarely if ever eaten at all. Seafood and not beef, pork and chicken are the staples in most Asian diets. Chinese and other Asians eat some beef and pork but not 1/10 th of what Americans eat. Most Americans eat more beef in one day than the average Japanese would eat in a year. In fact millions of Japanese have never eaten beef at all. As close to 1 billion people in India are Hindus and by religious law, vegetarians, 99 percent of them have probably never eaten meat in thier lives. Soy is a very healthy food and not medicine as some seem to think. Just because some guys in white lab coats with stethoscopes hanging around thier neck and a roast beef sandwich dangling out of thier mouths would like to treat food as a drug, it's food just the same and soy is quite safe and nutritious to eat in any form. Just so you understand something, India has approximately 1 billion Hindus and they are all vegetarians and eat lots of soy and no beef at all. You cannot equate the Chinese food you eat in the states with Chinese food cooked in Asia, they are two different animals. There are chinese living on every country on earth and they generally adapt thier cuisine to the local culture. In Pakistan Chinese food is loaded with curry, why? because the Pakistani's like lots of curry. Chinese food in Chinatown in Yokohama , Japan is nothing like you will ever eat in the states and is more like Japanese food. The menu is all soy, rice, vegetables and seafood. Most don't serve beef at all. It's absolute foolishness and stupidity to rely on some nitwit study by a couple of white UCLA/Harvard/Yale researchers involving at best a few hundred people when we already know that there are one billion people in China and another 100 million in Japan who eat soy and soy products regularly and have no cognitive difficulties in mid or later life. In fact, intellectually and healthwise they are kicking our collective butts and morons like White need to wake up and smell the Soy milk and get with reality. The entire populations of China and Japan negate the absolute worthless study by White et al . To look at some insignificant group in the bay area of San Francisco and say something that defies the reality that exists and has existed in both China and Japan for centuries is the height of stupidity and intellectual arrogance and simply proves the point as to why there is no cure for cancer after a trillion dollars of research. Do you really think that there are hundreds of millions of people in China, Japan and India living in rest homes with Dementia and Alzheimers disease? The Japanese have the longest life expectancy in the world and despite an aging population , in the dementia department , they are doing a heck of a lot better than we are. By the way, they eat a lot of seaweed, kelp, soy, rice, sea vegetables, cooked as well as lots of raw seafood of all kinds. Anything that lives and moves, they will eat. Chinese and various other Southeast Asians also eat lots of insects like grasshoppers, crickets and other species I could never identify. Laos has the lowest rate of Breast cancer in the world as reported by the WHO and Thailand has the lowest rates of almost all forms of cancer in the world as reported by the WHO. Korea has the lowest rates of Prostate cancer in the world. These are countries where much soy is eaten as is much rice. Due to the scarcity of land for grazing animals, beef is not eaten very much at all. Almost never in Japan. Up until very recently Asians have not consumed dairy products, which means no milk, no butter , no cheese. Of course much of this is now changing as Beef from Austrailia is much more accessable, so are dairy products and of course we good Americans export millions of packages of cigarettes. I'm sure that in the next 20 years cancer rates amongst these people will closely resemble ours as they embrace our dietary habits. I don't have a problem with you or anyone else but to frighten people away from a perfectly healthy food and attempt to use some study when entire populations of Asian countries contradict those studies borders on the absurd. Soy is great and eating it may make you as smart and to live as long as the Chinese and Japanese. Eat healthy and prosper. Best Regards, BOB > > Hi, > > > > >>If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens > (phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds??? > > Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > This week in the HSI Forum > > > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > > conditions, of course. > > > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > > include: > > > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > > are supposed to believe. > > > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > > the conversations. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > > Double Whammy > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > > prescription drugs. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > > Soy-onara > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > > compound that is believed to be the active component in > > preventing breast cancer. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > > McMedicine > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > > commercial meat products. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > > P53, Where Are You? > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > > take. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > > step breathing guide. > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > > permission. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June > 23 - > > Double Whammy</A> <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June > 24 - > > Soy-onara <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June > 25 - > > McMedicine <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June > 26 - P53, > > Where Are You? > > > > ************************************************************** > > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- > Alerts and > > products or you're an HSI member and would like > > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > > > ************************************************************** > > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > > > Sandy Mintz > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell > (1811-1884), > > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > > > http://www.909shot.com > > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR > PROVIDED HERE > > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE > CONSTRUED AS > > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT > TO BE > > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > DECISION > > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND > SHOULD BE > > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE > PROVIDER. > > > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE > AUTHOR OR > > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Chinese and Japanese eat soy almost every day of the week. I lived in Asia (Thailand, Korea, Japan, Guam, Philippines) for close to 17 years and can tell you that soy and rice are staples of thier diet and not a supplement to Beef, pork and chicken. Particularly in Japan where beef is rarely if ever eaten at all. Seafood and not beef, pork and chicken are the staples in most Asian diets. Chinese and other Asians eat some beef and pork but not 1/10 th of what Americans eat. Most Americans eat more beef in one day than the average Japanese would eat in a year. In fact millions of Japanese have never eaten beef at all. As close to 1 billion people in India are Hindus and by religious law, vegetarians, 99 percent of them have probably never eaten meat in thier lives. Soy is a very healthy food and not medicine as some seem to think. Just because some guys in white lab coats with stethoscopes hanging around thier neck and a roast beef sandwich dangling out of thier mouths would like to treat food as a drug, it's food just the same and soy is quite safe and nutritious to eat in any form. Just so you understand something, India has approximately 1 billion Hindus and they are all vegetarians and eat lots of soy and no beef at all. You cannot equate the Chinese food you eat in the states with Chinese food cooked in Asia, they are two different animals. There are chinese living on every country on earth and they generally adapt thier cuisine to the local culture. In Pakistan Chinese food is loaded with curry, why? because the Pakistani's like lots of curry. Chinese food in Chinatown in Yokohama , Japan is nothing like you will ever eat in the states and is more like Japanese food. The menu is all soy, rice, vegetables and seafood. Most don't serve beef at all. It's absolute foolishness and stupidity to rely on some nitwit study by a couple of white UCLA/Harvard/Yale researchers involving at best a few hundred people when we already know that there are one billion people in China and another 100 million in Japan who eat soy and soy products regularly and have no cognitive difficulties in mid or later life. In fact, intellectually and healthwise they are kicking our collective butts and morons like White need to wake up and smell the Soy milk and get with reality. The entire populations of China and Japan negate the absolute worthless study by White et al . To look at some insignificant group in the bay area of San Francisco and say something that defies the reality that exists and has existed in both China and Japan for centuries is the height of stupidity and intellectual arrogance and simply proves the point as to why there is no cure for cancer after a trillion dollars of research. Do you really think that there are hundreds of millions of people in China, Japan and India living in rest homes with Dementia and Alzheimers disease? The Japanese have the longest life expectancy in the world and despite an aging population , in the dementia department , they are doing a heck of a lot better than we are. By the way, they eat a lot of seaweed, kelp, soy, rice, sea vegetables, cooked as well as lots of raw seafood of all kinds. Anything that lives and moves, they will eat. Chinese and various other Southeast Asians also eat lots of insects like grasshoppers, crickets and other species I could never identify. Laos has the lowest rate of Breast cancer in the world as reported by the WHO and Thailand has the lowest rates of almost all forms of cancer in the world as reported by the WHO. Korea has the lowest rates of Prostate cancer in the world. These are countries where much soy is eaten as is much rice. Due to the scarcity of land for grazing animals, beef is not eaten very much at all. Almost never in Japan. Up until very recently Asians have not consumed dairy products, which means no milk, no butter , no cheese. Of course much of this is now changing as Beef from Austrailia is much more accessable, so are dairy products and of course we good Americans export millions of packages of cigarettes. I'm sure that in the next 20 years cancer rates amongst these people will closely resemble ours as they embrace our dietary habits. I don't have a problem with you or anyone else but to frighten people away from a perfectly healthy food and attempt to use some study when entire populations of Asian countries contradict those studies borders on the absurd. Soy is great and eating it may make you as smart and to live as long as the Chinese and Japanese. Eat healthy and prosper. Best Regards, BOB > > Hi, > > > > >>If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens > (phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds??? > > Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > This week in the HSI Forum > > > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > > conditions, of course. > > > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > > include: > > > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > > are supposed to believe. > > > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > > the conversations. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > > Double Whammy > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > > prescription drugs. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > > Soy-onara > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > > compound that is believed to be the active component in > > preventing breast cancer. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > > McMedicine > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > > commercial meat products. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > > P53, Where Are You? > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > > take. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > > step breathing guide. > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > > permission. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June > 23 - > > Double Whammy</A> <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June > 24 - > > Soy-onara <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June > 25 - > > McMedicine <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June > 26 - P53, > > Where Are You? > > > > ************************************************************** > > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- > Alerts and > > products or you're an HSI member and would like > > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > > > ************************************************************** > > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > > > Sandy Mintz > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell > (1811-1884), > > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > > > http://www.909shot.com > > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR > PROVIDED HERE > > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE > CONSTRUED AS > > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT > TO BE > > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > DECISION > > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND > SHOULD BE > > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE > PROVIDER. > > > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE > AUTHOR OR > > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Virginia, good post. There are several places on earth where the incidence of Goiter (thyroid disease) is high or was high in the past. Some pacific islands also have this problem and during the 1930's Goiter was a problem that effected a good part of the American midwest, otherwise known as ''the Goiter belt''. The problem stems from lack of Iodine in the native soil. Our government attempted to solve this problem by having salt companies make it available in the form of iodized salt. It's the one condiment that almost all Americans used and it could be stored indefinitely. We pretty much do not have this problem any longer as most vegetables eaten today come from California, Florida, Mexico and South America. If you lived in the midwest, ate only locally grown vegetables and ate no iodized salt it is possible you could have thyroid problems. There are programs now run by the WHO to get iodine into the diets of the people you mentioned. I do not know if the soy plant is a good carrier of iodine either. Some plants are better than others in extracting various minerals from the soil. For examble garlic uptakes a lot of selenium in soil that is rich in selenium. However, garlic grown in soil devoid of selenium won't have any selenium in it, yet it will look and taste the same as galic that does. Goiter and thyroid problems are most often due to either a lack of iodine or an inability by an individual to absorb iodine, which is a metabolic problem of the individual and not caused by soy. Unfortunately it's unknown why such people have this problem and it could be from eating the wrong foods or foods which may prevent the absorbtion of iodine. I have never read anywhere that soy prevents such absorbtion or interferes with thyroid regulation. Unfortunately at the moment there is a war going on between the soy and dairy industry for the hearts and minds of consumers. There are many problems associated with dairy consumption and in recent years the dairy industry through it's surrogates has led a campaign against soy and soy products. Regards, BOB > > > Hi, > > > > > > >>If soy isoflavones cause > > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > > alternative to soy)? > > > > > > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens > >(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds??? > > > Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > > > > > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > This week in the HSI Forum > > > > > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > > > > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > > > > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > > > > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > > > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > > > > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > > alternative to soy)? > > > > > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > > > conditions, of course. > > > > > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > > > > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > > > > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > > > include: > > > > > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > > > > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > > > are supposed to believe. > > > > > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > > > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > > > > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > > > the conversations. > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > > > > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > > > > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > > > Double Whammy > > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > > > prescription drugs. > > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > > > > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > > > Soy-onara > > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > > > compound that is believed to be the active component in > > > preventing breast cancer. > > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > > > McMedicine > > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > > > commercial meat products. > > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > > > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > > > P53, Where Are You? > > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > > > take. > > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > > > > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > > > step breathing guide. > > > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > > > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > > > permission. > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > > > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > > > <a > > > href= " http://www.agora- > >inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > > <a > > > href= " http://www.agora- > >inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June > >23 - > > > Double Whammy</A> <a > > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June > >24 - > > > Soy-onara <a > > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June > >25 - > > > McMedicine <a > > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June > >26 - P53, > > > Where Are You? > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- > >Alerts and > > > products or you're an HSI member and would like > > > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > > > > > Sandy Mintz > > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > > > > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell > >(1811-1884), > > > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > > > > > http://www.909shot.com > > > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > > > > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR > >PROVIDED HERE > > > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE > >CONSTRUED AS > > > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT > >TO BE > > > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > >DECISION > > > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND > >SHOULD BE > > > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE > >PROVIDER. > > > > > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > > > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE > >AUTHOR OR > > > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Virginia, good post. There are several places on earth where the incidence of Goiter (thyroid disease) is high or was high in the past. Some pacific islands also have this problem and during the 1930's Goiter was a problem that effected a good part of the American midwest, otherwise known as ''the Goiter belt''. The problem stems from lack of Iodine in the native soil. Our government attempted to solve this problem by having salt companies make it available in the form of iodized salt. It's the one condiment that almost all Americans used and it could be stored indefinitely. We pretty much do not have this problem any longer as most vegetables eaten today come from California, Florida, Mexico and South America. If you lived in the midwest, ate only locally grown vegetables and ate no iodized salt it is possible you could have thyroid problems. There are programs now run by the WHO to get iodine into the diets of the people you mentioned. I do not know if the soy plant is a good carrier of iodine either. Some plants are better than others in extracting various minerals from the soil. For examble garlic uptakes a lot of selenium in soil that is rich in selenium. However, garlic grown in soil devoid of selenium won't have any selenium in it, yet it will look and taste the same as galic that does. Goiter and thyroid problems are most often due to either a lack of iodine or an inability by an individual to absorb iodine, which is a metabolic problem of the individual and not caused by soy. Unfortunately it's unknown why such people have this problem and it could be from eating the wrong foods or foods which may prevent the absorbtion of iodine. I have never read anywhere that soy prevents such absorbtion or interferes with thyroid regulation. Unfortunately at the moment there is a war going on between the soy and dairy industry for the hearts and minds of consumers. There are many problems associated with dairy consumption and in recent years the dairy industry through it's surrogates has led a campaign against soy and soy products. Regards, BOB > > > Hi, > > > > > > >>If soy isoflavones cause > > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > > alternative to soy)? > > > > > > Does this also apply (or perhaps NOT) to lignan type phytoestrogens > >(phytochemicals with weak estrogen-like property) i.e Flaxseeds??? > > > Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > > > > > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > This week in the HSI Forum > > > > > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > > > > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > > > > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > > > > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > > > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > > > > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > > alternative to soy)? > > > > > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > > > conditions, of course. > > > > > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > > > > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > > > > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > > > include: > > > > > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > > > > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > > > are supposed to believe. > > > > > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > > > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > > > > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > > > the conversations. > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > > > > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > > > > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > > > Double Whammy > > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > > > prescription drugs. > > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > > > > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > > > Soy-onara > > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > > > compound that is believed to be the active component in > > > preventing breast cancer. > > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > > > McMedicine > > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > > > commercial meat products. > > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > > > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > > > P53, Where Are You? > > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > > > take. > > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > > > > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > > > step breathing guide. > > > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > > > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > > > permission. > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > > > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > > > <a > > > href= " http://www.agora- > >inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > > <a > > > href= " http://www.agora- > >inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June > >23 - > > > Double Whammy</A> <a > > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June > >24 - > > > Soy-onara <a > > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June > >25 - > > > McMedicine <a > > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June > >26 - P53, > > > Where Are You? > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- > >Alerts and > > > products or you're an HSI member and would like > > > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > > > > > Sandy Mintz > > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > > > > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell > >(1811-1884), > > > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > > > > > http://www.909shot.com > > > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > > > > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR > >PROVIDED HERE > > > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE > >CONSTRUED AS > > > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT > >TO BE > > > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > >DECISION > > > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND > >SHOULD BE > > > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE > >PROVIDER. > > > > > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > > > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE > >AUTHOR OR > > > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 I hate to tell you this but i've lived in Asia for 17 years and people eat soy and soy products almost daily. Lots of soy milk and lots of tofu. It's definitely not a condiment. In Japan beef could be considered a condiment because it is eaten so seldom if at all. Of course neither the Chinese or the Japanese have much to say about dairy products as they don't consume them so there was no reason to write about them. BOB -- In cures for cancer , " Loyd, Ph.D. " <drloyd@c...> wrote: > My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a staple. > > Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@c... . > To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board . > > > Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that > approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be > suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! > There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole > thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our > diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese > and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease > brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash > the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are > eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it > causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. > > BOB > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 I hate to tell you this but i've lived in Asia for 17 years and people eat soy and soy products almost daily. Lots of soy milk and lots of tofu. It's definitely not a condiment. In Japan beef could be considered a condiment because it is eaten so seldom if at all. Of course neither the Chinese or the Japanese have much to say about dairy products as they don't consume them so there was no reason to write about them. BOB -- In cures for cancer , " Loyd, Ph.D. " <drloyd@c...> wrote: > My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a staple. > > Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@c... . > To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board . > > > Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that > approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be > suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! > There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole > thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our > diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese > and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease > brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash > the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are > eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it > causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. > > BOB > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 That may add some insight into those people who have mineral absorbtion problems independent of soy consumption. If one already has such a problem the ingestion of soy may not be helpful. BOB > Soy and mineral deficiency: > > The phytic acid or phytates in soybeans can cause mineral deficiency – > especially zinc deficiency. Asians figured out that eating tofu with > mineral-rich sea vegetables and some animal protein could make up for its > mineral-depleting effects. > > Fermented soy foods such as miso and tempeh have the least phytic acid of > all the soy foods. Tofu, whole soybeans, soy milk, soy chips, soy protein > isolates and soy flour contain much higher levels of phytates. > > > > > Re: Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- > > My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some > articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese > writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out > that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese > and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a > staple. > > Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@c... . > To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board . > > > Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that > approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be > suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! > There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole > thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our > diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese > and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease > brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash > the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are > eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it > causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. > > BOB > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 That may add some insight into those people who have mineral absorbtion problems independent of soy consumption. If one already has such a problem the ingestion of soy may not be helpful. BOB > Soy and mineral deficiency: > > The phytic acid or phytates in soybeans can cause mineral deficiency – > especially zinc deficiency. Asians figured out that eating tofu with > mineral-rich sea vegetables and some animal protein could make up for its > mineral-depleting effects. > > Fermented soy foods such as miso and tempeh have the least phytic acid of > all the soy foods. Tofu, whole soybeans, soy milk, soy chips, soy protein > isolates and soy flour contain much higher levels of phytates. > > > > > Re: Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- > > My web site has a search feature. If you type in soy, you will find some > articles from the Nutri-Spec letters with references. Ancient Chinese > writings show that they knew that it was toxic. Eventually they figured out > that it could be made less toxic by fermentation. Even now most Japanese > and Chinese just use soy as as a condiment in very small amounts, never a > staple. > > Dick http://www.royalrife.com . New email - drloyd@c... . > To buy or sell used equipment, check out http://www.royalrife.com/board . > > > Re: Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > If Soy actually ''caused'' Thyroid problems it would mean that > approximately 100 million Japanese and 1 billion Chinese would be > suffering from acute Thyroid disease and guess what? They're not! > There is something very, very stupid and paranoid about this whole > thread. Perhaps the one who presented this new 1000th thing in our > diet to worry and fret over should tell us why 100 million Japanese > and 1 billion Chinese are not all suffering from Thyroid disease > brought on by eating soy products. I mean if you are going to bash > the soy industry, you had better think about how many people are > eating soy and soy products before you go telling everyone that it > causes thyroid disease when it's obvious that it does not. > > BOB > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2003 Report Share Posted July 12, 2003 SOOOY... what had we here??? We had a lecture that was SOOOY interesting. I hope, for your sake, that you enjoyed it as the rest of us did... Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > This week in the HSI Forum > > > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > > conditions, of course. > > > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > > include: > > > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > > are supposed to believe. > > > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > > the conversations. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > > Double Whammy > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > > prescription drugs. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > > Soy-onara > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > > compound that is believed to be the active component in > > preventing breast cancer. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > > McMedicine > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > > commercial meat products. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > > P53, Where Are You? > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > > take. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > > step breathing guide. > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > > permission. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June > 23 - > > Double Whammy</A> <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June > 24 - > > Soy-onara <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June > 25 - > > McMedicine <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June > 26 - P53, > > Where Are You? > > > > ************************************************************** > > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- > Alerts and > > products or you're an HSI member and would like > > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > > > ************************************************************** > > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > > > Sandy Mintz > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell > (1811-1884), > > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > > > http://www.909shot.com > > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR > PROVIDED HERE > > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE > CONSTRUED AS > > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT > TO BE > > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > DECISION > > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND > SHOULD BE > > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE > PROVIDER. > > > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE > AUTHOR OR > > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2003 Report Share Posted July 12, 2003 SOOOY... what had we here??? We had a lecture that was SOOOY interesting. I hope, for your sake, that you enjoyed it as the rest of us did... Soy and Thyroid function-- > > > > > > Subj: FW: This week in the HSI Forum > > Date: 7/8/2003 4:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > <A HREF= " mailto:sandym@t... " >sandym@t...</A> > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > This week in the Health Sciences Institute e-Alert > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > This week in the HSI Forum > > > > An important warning appears in the HSI Forum this week, > > posted in a thread titled " Soy-onara " - which, not > > coincidentally, is also the title of Tuesday's e-Alert about > > a Japanese study that examined the effects of soy and other > > isoflavone-rich foods on breast cancer. > > > > An HSI member who goes by the name of Chefgirl explains that > > at the age of 12 she was diagnosed as hypothyroid - a > > condition in which the thyroid gland produces inadequate > > amounts of two key hormones that help regulate metabolism. > > She points out that soy plays havoc for people with thyroid > > problems such as hers because the soy isoflavones limit the > > cells' ability to receive thyroid hormones. > > > > Chefgirl writes: " In reality, soy protein is one of the worst > > things that I could consume, especially on a daily basis. I > > can't begin to tell you the difference I felt when I stopped > > eating soy products, just within 2-3 days. " > > > > What infuriates her - and rightfully so - is that she > > consumed soy products for 10 years, " thinking I was eating > > healthy and being told that was the case. " > > > > In particular, I was concerned with one detail in Chefgirl's > > posting: her comment that the isoflavones in soy are > > responsible for thyroid dysfunction. If soy isoflavones cause > > thyroid problems, wouldn't that also be true of other > > sources, such as red clover (which we've recommended as an > > alternative to soy)? > > > > A little legwork with our research sources soon turned up a > > comment on the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center web > > site, warning that due to the estrogenic activity of red > > clover, it should be used with caution by patients with > > hormone-sensitive diseases. And that would include thyroid > > conditions, of course. > > > > If you consume a high quantity of soy foods, or if you use > > red clover, here are some of the symptoms of hypothyroid > > disease that you should be aware of: low energy, slowing of > > the healing process, edema (swelling, usually in the feet or > > legs), and unusual changes in skin, nails or hair. > > > > This serves as a perfect reminder that herbal supplements are > > natural medicines that can have powerful effects and should > > be used with care. So if you've been diagnosed with thyroid > > problems, you should probably avoid soy, red clover, and > > other foods or botanicals touted as high in isoflavones. And > > as always, consult your doctor whenever you use any > > nutritional or herbal remedy to address a medical condition. > > > > Other topics being discussed on the HSI Forum this week > > include: > > > > * If you have any doubt that genetic modification of crops is > > a hot button issue, just visit the thread " GM Foods, " which > > has more than 80 postings in a very lively debate. > > > > * A thread titled " Mc's to Eliminate Using Beef... " is > > a reaction to Wednesday's e-Alert, " McMedicine " (see > > below), but Big Macs may not be as antibiotic-free as we > > are supposed to believe. > > > > * An HSI member named Lee offers a warning in " Forteo, Unsafe > > Drug for Osteoporosis. " > > > > If you have questions or comments you'd like to add to these > > or any of the dozens of other threads on the Forum, just log > > on to our web site at www.hsibaltimore.com and join in with > > the conversations. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Underground Cures Your Doctor Doesn't Even Know About! > > > > Starting today, YOU can decide how healthy you want to be. No > > matter what you're suffering from - arthritis, heart disease, > > cancer, chronic pain, impotence, depression - there is > > something that can be done NOW. These breakthrough > > discoveries are so new that your doctor probably doesn't even > > know about them yet. Find the answers you seek, in the > > ultimate guide to " underground " cures. > > > > Learn more about these miraculous treatments: > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Monday, June 23, 2003 > > Double Whammy > > Patients with type 2 diabetes can reduce the risk of a heart > > attack or a stroke by 25 percent by using cholesterol- > > lowering statin drugs - even if they don't have elevated > > cholesterol levels - according to two recent studies. And > > while that may sound promising, you can be certain that there > > are gremlins in the details. This e-Alert looks at the > > misguided logic of trading a lower risk of one problem, for > > the side effects that come with a lifetime supply of multiple > > prescription drugs. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml > > > > Tuesday, June 24, 2003 > > Soy-onara > > Does soy intake help prevent breast cancer? In spite of what > > you may have heard, there's no easy answer to that question, > > which is at the heart of a long, ongoing debate. But a > > recently completed 10-year study from Japan reveals some > > promising new clues that could eventually lead to useful > > answers. We'll tell you about the best source for the > > compound that is believed to be the active component in > > preventing breast cancer. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml > > > > Wednesday, June 25, 2003 > > McMedicine > > Last week Mc's Corporation told its meat suppliers to > > discontinue the use of antibiotics in animals. But let's not > > jump to the conclusion that Mc's menu is going to be > > anything close to antibiotic-free. The details of this new > > policy leave something to be desired, especially in the face > > of the ticking time bomb of human antibiotic resistance that > > is rapidly developing through the general consumption of > > commercial meat products. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml > > > > Thursday, June 26, 2003 > > P53, Where Are You? > > Selenium has been shown to reduce both the risk and mortality > > for prostate, liver and colorectal cancers. Now another > > cancer can be added to that list: one that's closely > > associated with chronic heartburn and acid reflux. We'll > > examine the groundbreaking details of this important new > > study, and tell you why getting more selenium in your diet > > might be one of the best preventive health measures you can > > take. > > http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > BREATHE DISEASE OUT OF YOUR BODY > > > > Learn how to breathe disease out of your body using > > techniques found in Healing with Ki-Kou. This book details a > > system of breathing techniques combined with simple body > > postures, handed down for centuries by traditional Chinese > > doctors. These powerful techniques use the principle of chi, > > considered by Eastern disciplines to be the energy source > > that carries life through your body. Put a stop to colds, > > viruses, ulcers, heart disease, arthritis, headaches, and > > discomfort from menopause with this easy to follow step by > > step breathing guide. > > > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > (if you can't open here use the HTML links listed below) > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > Copyright ©1997-2003 by www.hsibaltimore.com, L.L.C. > > The e-Alert may not be posted on commercial sites without written > > permission. > > > > ************************************************************** > > Before you hit reply to send us a question or request, please > > click here http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealert/questions.shtml > > > > ************************************************************** > > HTML links for AOL, CompuServe and other users > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/XCUR/W680D625/home.cfm > > <a > > href= " http://www.agora- > inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm " >http://www.ag > > ora-inc.com/reports/SCBB/W680D621/home.cfm > > <A HREF= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030623.shtml " >June > 23 - > > Double Whammy</A> <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030624.shtml " >June > 24 - > > Soy-onara <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030625.shtml " >June > 25 - > > McMedicine <a > > href= " http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ea2003/ea_030626.shtml " >June > 26 - P53, > > Where Are You? > > > > ************************************************************** > > If you'd like to participate in the HSI Forum, search past e- > Alerts and > > products or you're an HSI member and would like > > to search past articles, visit http://www.hsibaltimore.com > > > > ************************************************************** > > To learn more about HSI, call (203) 699-4416 or visit > > http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/HSI/WHSIC313/home.cfm. > > > > Sandy Mintz > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm > > > > " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Wendell > (1811-1884), > > paraphrasing Philpot Curran (1808) > > > > http://www.909shot.com > > http://www.redflagsweekly.com > > > > ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR > PROVIDED HERE > > IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE > CONSTRUED AS > > REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT > TO BE > > CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > DECISION > > WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND > SHOULD BE > > MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE > PROVIDER. > > > > IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY > > NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE > AUTHOR OR > > AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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