Re: Re: The gut brain: stomach grumbles

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

I asked Marcelia (my 7yo), the other day if she could remember anything

that happened just before she had a seizure. She said, yes, her stomach

grumbled, but not a " hunger " kind of grumble, a different kind and more

on the side.

Other people on this list have mentioned that their children's stomachs

grumble so hard right before a seizure, they can hear it from another

room.

Can anybody which had a similar experience provide more information

about this? Does this mean the seizure following the grumble is food

(allergy to) related?

Thanks,

Lorinda

On Sunday, September 15, 2002, at 09:20 , zoe88025 wrote:

> www.ahealthyme.com/article/primer/101186767

[Guest guest]

Zoe, thanks so much for the information!

Marcelia only had 5 seizures in her life (between 24 Dec 2001 and 20

January 2002), but it remains in my mind that it can recur unless I find

the cause. She is on Epilim (Sodium Valproate) and at the last visit to

the neuro he said, since her EEG is clean and she hasn't had any since

1/20/2002 she can come off it in February. But there are still quite a

few loose ends.

> You might want to take a closer look at what may be irritating

> Marcelia's gut. Has she had diarrhea? Been sick in any way?

Yes, she had diarrhea and vomited two days before the first one.

> A couple of things to consider in this: one she may be sensitive to

> something

> she is eating , and perhaps cannot digest well, such as gluten, which

> is not always allergy related.

What do you mean when you say, gluten is not always allergy related?

Does it mean you may be sensitive to it, but it will not show up in an

allergy blood test? We had her blood tested about two weeks ago and it

showed allergies to cigarette smoke, aerosols, food colouring,

flavouring and preservatives. I wondered why it didn't say gluten as

well, because she gets a heavy post nasal drip from eating anything

containing gluten.

> Food reactions can increase respiration which in turn can lower the

> seizure threshold. Just today

> aI picked up a book on gastro intestinal disorders. The doctor who

> wrote it (Raphael Kellman, MD), notes that celiac disease (inherited

> gluten intolerance disorder ) leads to malabsorption. This in turn,

> will throw off the electrolyte balance which will also increase the

> chance of having a seizure.

What can I give her to improve and help maintain the electrolyte

balance? It was during the summer when she suffered from the seizures,

so I believe she could have been a bit dehydrated (all were in the late

afternoon, early evening, except one). Now, summer is on its way again

(we live in South Africa) and I'm worried.

>

> You may want to try checking out gluten free diets and see how

> this works.

Yes, we have eliminated gluten since April when she had a completely

blocked, left maxillary sinus.

Gluten elimination has improved her health somewhat, but the recurring

sinusitis lead to a sinus flush and the abovementioned bloodtest (IgE +

food substances + animals) to find out what keeps triggering the

sinusitus infections.

Thank you for all the advice, I will definitely look into this some more.

Lorinda

[Guest guest]

Thanks Zoe.

On Tuesday, September 17, 2002, at 01:28 , zoe88025 wrote:

> Hi Lorinda,

> Below is one link on abdominal epilepsy. I searched the

> International League on Epilepsy site and this article is posted on

> their web site as well.

> ---------

> Abdominal Epilepsy

> ... ABDOMINAL EPILEPSY The association of abdominal symptoms with

> epilepsy has been

> recognized for many years. ... The spectrum of abdominal epilepsy in

> adults. ...

> www.meridianinstitute.com/abepilep.htm

> -------------------

> You might want to take a closer look at what may be irritating

> Marcelia's gut. Has she had diarrhea? Been sick in any way? A couple

> of things to consider in this: one she may be sensitive to something

> she is eating , and perhaps cannot digest well, such as gluten, which

> is not always allergy related. Food reactions can increase

> respiration which in turn can lower the seizure threshold. Just today

> aI picked up a book on gastro intestinal disorders. The doctor who

> wrote it (Raphael Kellman, MD), notes that celiac disease (inherited

> gluten intolerance disorder ) leads to malabsorption. This in turn,

> will throw off the electrolyte balance which will also increase the

> chance of having a seizure.

> The area of the brain which helps regulate digestion, the amygdala,

> is a common site of the brain where seizures originate. These kinds

> of seizures can trigger gut reactions. An upset gut an lead to

> seizures and seizures can affect the gut. Other food sensitities,

> such as lactose, may aggravate seizures. Chemical sensitivities also

> can cause seizures.

> You may want to try checking out gluten free diets and see how

> this works. Also, there is testing that can help identify any

> problems she may have with digestion related to seizures. The book I

> have mentions Great Smokies Laboratory, so you might want to contact

> them about getting some testing done (www.gsdl.com. The sensations

> may be triggered by a seizure or may be triggering the seizures.

> Finding and removing anything related to her gut that might

> provoke seizures may help get them under better control. You can turn

> up a lot in an Internet search on abdominal seizures or abdominal

> epilepsy at Google (http://www.google.com).

> Zoe

>

>

>>

>>> www.ahealthyme.com/article/primer/101186767

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Possibly allergy e.g. gluten.

But you should also look into the possibility of a parasite infestation.

Dr. Hulda who sponsors this web site believes that the ascaris

parasite almost always is implicated in epilepsy.

I believe ascaris and/or similar parasites are probably implicated in

epilepsy.

I am a temporal lobe epilepsy person, who in the last 2 weeks on the product

PCA-RX from www.maxamlabs.com (taken to detox heavy metals and other toxins)

had a very big detox of parasites in the stools.

I am thinking better, and everything else is a little better. I am stil on

the PCA-RX detox.

Parasites unfortunately are very difficult to diagnose, as lab results from

even the best labs frequently give negative results for parasites, but the

practicalities of a parasite detox prgram done anyway create significant

empirical results.

From: Lorinda Theron <lorindatheron@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: The gut brain: stomach grumbles

>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:47:15 +0200

>

>Hi Zoe,

>

>I asked Marcelia (my 7yo), the other day if she could remember anything

>that happened just before she had a seizure. She said, yes, her stomach

>grumbled, but not a " hunger " kind of grumble, a different kind and more

>on the side.

>Other people on this list have mentioned that their children's stomachs

>grumble so hard right before a seizure, they can hear it from another

>room.

>Can anybody which had a similar experience provide more information

>about this? Does this mean the seizure following the grumble is food

>(allergy to) related?

>

>Thanks,

>Lorinda

>

>

>On Sunday, September 15, 2002, at 09:20 , zoe88025 wrote:

>

> > www.ahealthyme.com/article/primer/101186767

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Glen,

Thank you so much for the information. I will visit

http://www.maxamlabs.com.

This is very interesting, the parasite connection. Tracey is a firm

believer in parasites as a cause of epilepsy. She told me about the boy

who got the Naegleria fowleri amoeba in a lake. This amoeba swims into

the victims brain and causes death in 95% of cases (amebic meningitis).

So, this set me thinking...our cat had a (staring) seizure only ten to

fourteen days before Marcelia's first seizure. Maybe Marcelia had an

amoeba, but it must gone now, since she hadn't had a seizure since

1/20/2002.

I am not sure that she's toxic on metals, although one doc did pick up

high levels of aluminum in her system, and she had an MMR three months

before the first seizure. But, as Tracey once said to me, sometimes a

seizure is just a culmination of a lot of things, and it takes only one

final thing to " break the camel's back " .

Lorinda

On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 07:25 , Glen wrote:

>

>

> Possibly allergy e.g. gluten.

>

> But you should also look into the possibility of a parasite infestation.

> Dr. Hulda who sponsors this web site believes that the

> ascaris

> parasite almost always is implicated in epilepsy.

> I believe ascaris and/or similar parasites are probably implicated in

> epilepsy.

> I am a temporal lobe epilepsy person, who in the last 2 weeks on the

> product

> PCA-RX from www.maxamlabs.com (taken to detox heavy metals and other

> toxins)

> had a very big detox of parasites in the stools.

>

> I am thinking better, and everything else is a little better. I am stil

> on

> the PCA-RX detox.

>

> Parasites unfortunately are very difficult to diagnose, as lab results

> from

> even the best labs frequently give negative results for parasites, but

> the

> practicalities of a parasite detox prgram done anyway create significant

> empirical results.

[Guest guest]

Hi. Jim Cole the president of Maxamlabs is very accessible. You can phone

him or email him directly jim@...

Do not underestimate heavy metals or parasites.

Be happy about the lack of seizures, but be vigilant.

I would still buy maxam's PCA-RX product, and on the first spray day, use it

as an inducement for a stool or urine test through Doctor's Data labs. Jim

could probably suggest a methodology.

My inducer this spring for my Doctor's Data metal and minerals test was the

drug DMPS. It is somewhat controversial and PCA-RX will probably do the

job, but safer.

15 years after my amalgam removal, and 9 years after a series of DMPS

injections in 1993, to my naive surprise, my mercury levels are still quite

high, and I am genetically hypersensitive to the stuff anyway. I am sure the

PCA-RX is working as I am definitely thinking better these past 10 days.

My mineral levels on my Doctor's Data test were incredibly low, which led

DR. Klinghaardt, my Seattle neurologist to immediately suspect parasites.

His applied kiniesiology muscle testing confirmed it , and in fact produced

seizures on the spot.

Dr. Klinghardt has found no good labs in the U.S. for testing parasites.

Patients of his on his parasite program who have had negative parasite lab

tests have frequently subsequently brought

parasites expelled in the stools to his office as proof.

The PCA-RX on the first 5 days of me taking it caused me to expell all kinds

of parasites.

I am seeing Dr. Klinghardt on Thursday. Amongst other things we will muscle

test for any residual parasites.

Glen

>From: Lorinda Theron <lorindatheron@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: The gut brain: stomach grumbles

>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:54:11 +0200

>

>Hi Glen,

>

>Thank you so much for the information. I will visit

>http://www.maxamlabs.com.

>This is very interesting, the parasite connection. Tracey is a firm

>believer in parasites as a cause of epilepsy. She told me about the boy

>who got the Naegleria fowleri amoeba in a lake. This amoeba swims into

>the victims brain and causes death in 95% of cases (amebic meningitis).

>So, this set me thinking...our cat had a (staring) seizure only ten to

>fourteen days before Marcelia's first seizure. Maybe Marcelia had an

>amoeba, but it must gone now, since she hadn't had a seizure since

>1/20/2002.

>

>I am not sure that she's toxic on metals, although one doc did pick up

>high levels of aluminum in her system, and she had an MMR three months

>before the first seizure. But, as Tracey once said to me, sometimes a

>seizure is just a culmination of a lot of things, and it takes only one

>final thing to " break the camel's back " .

>

>Lorinda

>

>On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 07:25 , Glen wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Possibly allergy e.g. gluten.

> >

> > But you should also look into the possibility of a parasite infestation.

> > Dr. Hulda who sponsors this web site believes that the

> > ascaris

> > parasite almost always is implicated in epilepsy.

> > I believe ascaris and/or similar parasites are probably implicated in

> > epilepsy.

> > I am a temporal lobe epilepsy person, who in the last 2 weeks on the

> > product

> > PCA-RX from www.maxamlabs.com (taken to detox heavy metals and other

> > toxins)

> > had a very big detox of parasites in the stools.

> >

> > I am thinking better, and everything else is a little better. I am stil

> > on

> > the PCA-RX detox.

> >

> > Parasites unfortunately are very difficult to diagnose, as lab results

> > from

> > even the best labs frequently give negative results for parasites, but

> > the

> > practicalities of a parasite detox prgram done anyway create significant

> > empirical results.

>

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Hello Glen,

In what way do you think parasites are linked to heavy metals? (You

used a product to remove heavy metals, and parasites were expelled.)

Thanks

Lorinda

On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 06:03 , Glen wrote:

> Hi. Jim Cole the president of Maxamlabs is very accessible. You can

> phone

> him or email him directly jim@...

>

> Do not underestimate heavy metals or parasites.

>

> Be happy about the lack of seizures, but be vigilant.

>

> I would still buy maxam's PCA-RX product, and on the first spray day,

> use it

> as an inducement for a stool or urine test through Doctor's Data

> labs. Jim

> could probably suggest a methodology.

>

> My inducer this spring for my Doctor's Data metal and minerals test was

> the

> drug DMPS. It is somewhat controversial and PCA-RX will probably do the

> job, but safer.

>

> 15 years after my amalgam removal, and 9 years after a series of DMPS

> injections in 1993, to my naive surprise, my mercury levels are still

> quite

> high, and I am genetically hypersensitive to the stuff anyway. I am

> sure the

> PCA-RX is working as I am definitely thinking better these past 10 days.

>

> My mineral levels on my Doctor's Data test were incredibly low, which

> led

> DR. Klinghaardt, my Seattle neurologist to immediately suspect

> parasites.

> His applied kiniesiology muscle testing confirmed it , and in fact

> produced

> seizures on the spot.

>

> Dr. Klinghardt has found no good labs in the U.S. for testing parasites.

> Patients of his on his parasite program who have had negative parasite

> lab

> tests have frequently subsequently brought

> parasites expelled in the stools to his office as proof.

>

> The PCA-RX on the first 5 days of me taking it caused me to expell all

> kinds

> of parasites.

>

> I am seeing Dr. Klinghardt on Thursday. Amongst other things we will

> muscle

> test for any residual parasites.

>

> Glen

[Guest guest]

Heavy Metals weaken the entire system period, particularly in those

allergic/hypersensititve to heavy metals. A weakened immune system in

general will have difficulty in fighting off any bugs, including parasites.

Specifically, Dr. Klinghardt believes that the parasites tend to concentrate

in the body where " depots " or " nests " of the heavy metals have deposited.

So an overall parasite program can be important. But removing the heavy

metals removes the opportunity for the parasites to concentrate.

>From: Lorinda Theron <lorindatheron@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: The gut brain: stomach grumbles

>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:22:46 +0200

>

>Hello Glen,

>

>In what way do you think parasites are linked to heavy metals? (You

>used a product to remove heavy metals, and parasites were expelled.)

>

>Thanks

>Lorinda

>

>On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 06:03 , Glen wrote:

>

> > Hi. Jim Cole the president of Maxamlabs is very accessible. You can

> > phone

> > him or email him directly jim@...

> >

> > Do not underestimate heavy metals or parasites.

> >

> > Be happy about the lack of seizures, but be vigilant.

> >

> > I would still buy maxam's PCA-RX product, and on the first spray day,

> > use it

> > as an inducement for a stool or urine test through Doctor's Data

> > labs. Jim

> > could probably suggest a methodology.

> >

> > My inducer this spring for my Doctor's Data metal and minerals test was

> > the

> > drug DMPS. It is somewhat controversial and PCA-RX will probably do the

> > job, but safer.

> >

> > 15 years after my amalgam removal, and 9 years after a series of DMPS

> > injections in 1993, to my naive surprise, my mercury levels are still

> > quite

> > high, and I am genetically hypersensitive to the stuff anyway. I am

> > sure the

> > PCA-RX is working as I am definitely thinking better these past 10 days.

> >

> > My mineral levels on my Doctor's Data test were incredibly low, which

> > led

> > DR. Klinghaardt, my Seattle neurologist to immediately suspect

> > parasites.

> > His applied kiniesiology muscle testing confirmed it , and in fact

> > produced

> > seizures on the spot.

> >

> > Dr. Klinghardt has found no good labs in the U.S. for testing parasites.

> > Patients of his on his parasite program who have had negative parasite

> > lab

> > tests have frequently subsequently brought

> > parasites expelled in the stools to his office as proof.

> >

> > The PCA-RX on the first 5 days of me taking it caused me to expell all

> > kinds

> > of parasites.

> >

> > I am seeing Dr. Klinghardt on Thursday. Amongst other things we will

> > muscle

> > test for any residual parasites.

> >

> > Glen

>

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Thank you Glen.

On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, at 04:17 , Glen wrote:

> Heavy Metals weaken the entire system period, particularly in those

> allergic/hypersensititve to heavy metals. A weakened immune system in

> general will have difficulty in fighting off any bugs, including

> parasites.

>

> Specifically, Dr. Klinghardt believes that the parasites tend to

> concentrate

> in the body where " depots " or " nests " of the heavy metals have

> deposited.

>

> So an overall parasite program can be important. But removing the heavy

> metals removes the opportunity for the parasites to concentrate.

>

>

>> From: Lorinda Theron <lorindatheron@...>

>> Reply-

>>

>> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: The gut brain: stomach grumbles

>> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:22:46 +0200

>>

>> Hello Glen,

>>

>> In what way do you think parasites are linked to heavy metals? (You

>> used a product to remove heavy metals, and parasites were expelled.)

>>

>> Thanks

>> Lorinda

>>

>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 06:03 , Glen wrote:

>>

>>> Hi. Jim Cole the president of Maxamlabs is very accessible. You can

>>> phone

>>> him or email him directly jim@...

>>>

>>> Do not underestimate heavy metals or parasites.

>>>

>>> Be happy about the lack of seizures, but be vigilant.

>>>

>>> I would still buy maxam's PCA-RX product, and on the first spray day,

>>> use it

>>> as an inducement for a stool or urine test through Doctor's Data

>>> labs. Jim

>>> could probably suggest a methodology.

>>>

>>> My inducer this spring for my Doctor's Data metal and minerals test

>>> was

>>> the

>>> drug DMPS. It is somewhat controversial and PCA-RX will probably do

>>> the

>>> job, but safer.

>>>

>>> 15 years after my amalgam removal, and 9 years after a series of DMPS

>>> injections in 1993, to my naive surprise, my mercury levels are still

>>> quite

>>> high, and I am genetically hypersensitive to the stuff anyway. I am

>>> sure the

>>> PCA-RX is working as I am definitely thinking better these past 10

>>> days.

>>>

>>> My mineral levels on my Doctor's Data test were incredibly low, which

>>> led

>>> DR. Klinghaardt, my Seattle neurologist to immediately suspect

>>> parasites.

>>> His applied kiniesiology muscle testing confirmed it , and in fact

>>> produced

>>> seizures on the spot.

>>>

>>> Dr. Klinghardt has found no good labs in the U.S. for testing

>>> parasites.

>>> Patients of his on his parasite program who have had negative parasite

>>> lab

>>> tests have frequently subsequently brought

>>> parasites expelled in the stools to his office as proof.

>>>

>>> The PCA-RX on the first 5 days of me taking it caused me to expell all

>>> kinds

>>> of parasites.

>>>

>>> I am seeing Dr. Klinghardt on Thursday. Amongst other things we will

>>> muscle

>>> test for any residual parasites.

>>>

>>> Glen

>>

>

>

>

>

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It is abundantly clear that heavy metal toxicity is not good for

living things. Why should it be good for parasites? Does Dr. Klinghardt

cite any studies for this odd belief? Most anti-parasite preparations are

poisonous to human beings, too, and

must be used with care. I think there is a tendency to label " bad "

and think that bad seeks bad. No way! Some bad things are bad to bad

things.

Dr. Von

Re: [ ] Re: The gut brain: stomach grumbles

> >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:22:46 +0200

> >

> >Hello Glen,

> >

> >In what way do you think parasites are linked to heavy metals? (You

> >used a product to remove heavy metals, and parasites were expelled.)

> >

> >Thanks

> >Lorinda

> >

> >On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 06:03 , Glen wrote:

> >

> > > Hi. Jim Cole the president of Maxamlabs is very accessible. You can

> > > phone

> > > him or email him directly jim@...

> > >

> > > Do not underestimate heavy metals or parasites.

> > >

> > > Be happy about the lack of seizures, but be vigilant.

> > >

> > > I would still buy maxam's PCA-RX product, and on the first spray day,

> > > use it

> > > as an inducement for a stool or urine test through Doctor's Data

> > > labs. Jim

> > > could probably suggest a methodology.

> > >

> > > My inducer this spring for my Doctor's Data metal and minerals test

was

> > > the

> > > drug DMPS. It is somewhat controversial and PCA-RX will probably do

the

> > > job, but safer.

> > >

> > > 15 years after my amalgam removal, and 9 years after a series of DMPS

> > > injections in 1993, to my naive surprise, my mercury levels are still

> > > quite

> > > high, and I am genetically hypersensitive to the stuff anyway. I am

> > > sure the

> > > PCA-RX is working as I am definitely thinking better these past 10

days.

> > >

> > > My mineral levels on my Doctor's Data test were incredibly low, which

> > > led

> > > DR. Klinghaardt, my Seattle neurologist to immediately suspect

> > > parasites.

> > > His applied kiniesiology muscle testing confirmed it , and in fact

> > > produced

> > > seizures on the spot.

> > >

> > > Dr. Klinghardt has found no good labs in the U.S. for testing

parasites.

> > > Patients of his on his parasite program who have had negative parasite

> > > lab

> > > tests have frequently subsequently brought

> > > parasites expelled in the stools to his office as proof.

> > >

> > > The PCA-RX on the first 5 days of me taking it caused me to expell all

> > > kinds

> > > of parasites.

> > >

> > > I am seeing Dr. Klinghardt on Thursday. Amongst other things we will

> > > muscle

> > > test for any residual parasites.

> > >

> > > Glen

> >

>

>

>

>

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