RE: Digest Number 34

October 31, 1999

> Subject: Re: mercury fillings

Hello everyone.

I know of several instances of people having to have amalgam fillings

replaced because it caused them to have severe headaches. This was done as a

last resort, as it was the last thing on the 'predisposing causes' list.

Each time it proved to be the problem. Another unfortunate person had to

have the wiring in his mouth changed, as his teeth kept buzzing when near a

loud radio source, giving him no peace.

Anything 'Alien' to the human body has a chance to be an upset to the bodies

system, especially if that person is hypersensitive.

Mercury has been used a lot in medical history. It is a poison to the

system, and there are alternatives to be used instead.

Don't let this put you off going to the Dentist, there is nothing like your

own teeth!

Smile, and be happy...... :-)=)

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November 2, 1999

JEWL,I have been thinking about you.How are you doing?We got married on Sat.

the 30th and it was a beautiful day.Let me hear from you soon.Hugs.....Barb

>From: " Rayesi " <rayesi@...>

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>Subject: RE: [ ] Digest Number 34

>Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:59:41 -0000

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> > Subject: Re: mercury fillings

>

>Hello everyone.

>I know of several instances of people having to have amalgam fillings

>replaced because it caused them to have severe headaches. This was done as

>a

>last resort, as it was the last thing on the 'predisposing causes' list.

>Each time it proved to be the problem. Another unfortunate person had to

>have the wiring in his mouth changed, as his teeth kept buzzing when near a

>loud radio source, giving him no peace.

>Anything 'Alien' to the human body has a chance to be an upset to the

>bodies

>system, especially if that person is hypersensitive.

>Mercury has been used a lot in medical history. It is a poison to the

>system, and there are alternatives to be used instead.

>Don't let this put you off going to the Dentist, there is nothing like your

>own teeth!

>Smile, and be happy...... :-)=)

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>Jan 1 2000 - Stardate 0001.01 Let the voyage begin.....

>Rayesi@...

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December 28, 1999

In a message dated 12/28/99 1:57:41 PM Central Standard Time,

onelist writes:

<< Any good recipes for laundry soap. The commercial

stuff is just making me itch like crazy. I switch >>

girlfriend, get " symphony " . i am allergic to everything under the sun. if

you use this, you won't need softener and IT WORKS FOR ME. if you can't find

it locally on your grocer's shelf, let me know and i'll give you the addy of

a local chem co. who reps it.

LISA MITCHELL/COZY MOON

February 2, 2000

Donnna-

Don't be skeptical on the vaccines. I allready did that for you. Another

virus could caus liver failure and luckily by the grace of God I

survived it. I don't wish that on anyone.

-

" ...I dream then ask why not "

February 2, 2000

Donnna-

Don't be skeptical on the vaccines. I allready did that for you. Another

virus could caus liver failure and luckily by the grace of God I

survived it. I don't wish that on anyone.

-

" ...I dream then ask why not "

February 2, 2000

I find it so strange that mot people are never told about hep a and b. I

know years ago, think hep a was considered a gay mans disease, because

supposedly they had unsafe sex, and were diganosed with it alot. I have

knowa alot of people who have had hep b. I know hep b is extremley easy

to catch. I am lucky for working at a hospital in 1989 to1995. I was so

aware of diseases and viruses because I worked with patients. we had

some thing called " universal precautions " where u assume every patient

as something that can be spread through blood or body fluids, including

stool. i worked with tb ( sputum ) patients, hiv, hep a, b, and c. I

feel it is unfortunate that alot of doctors wil just assume the general

public is knowledgeable of whatthe medical world knows.

The comment about vaccines by somone.

I have had the Hep B vac, and was told it was good for life, than read

in a medical book it is only good for 3 to 5 years. I am anxous to be

vaccinated for hep a and b, but cautious about maybe down the line

having something awful happen because of it. I dont trust the medical

comunity, especially after working in it.

February 3, 2000

Peggy,

Don't be surprised if your skin where you inject gets

blotchy/reddish and itches. Keep lots of moisturizer on

your skin. Combo made me dry out. If you live in one of

the 7 states where it's legal, I'd ask your doc about

medical cannabis for the nausea and headaches.

I hated treatment, but at least it was some treatment. Now

that I'm a non-responder, it's really hard for me to not do

anything (other than milk thistle, licithin, water, water,

water). I go back for a 6-month checkup in March to see if

the GI's going to let me try one of the new treatments. I

had to stop combo after 6 months due to anemia & thyroid

problems.

Good luck and hang in there. It will get easier with each

shot. I pray you're one of the 40% that clears the virus.

February 3, 2000

Peggy,

Don't be surprised if your skin where you inject gets

blotchy/reddish and itches. Keep lots of moisturizer on

your skin. Combo made me dry out. If you live in one of

the 7 states where it's legal, I'd ask your doc about

medical cannabis for the nausea and headaches.

I hated treatment, but at least it was some treatment. Now

that I'm a non-responder, it's really hard for me to not do

anything (other than milk thistle, licithin, water, water,

water). I go back for a 6-month checkup in March to see if

the GI's going to let me try one of the new treatments. I

had to stop combo after 6 months due to anemia & thyroid

problems.

Good luck and hang in there. It will get easier with each

shot. I pray you're one of the 40% that clears the virus.

February 15, 2000

Hey you guys, this is so weird, reading all of these stories! I can't

believe that I've been on this list for almost a year and this is the very

first that this issue about pica has come up- and it is so prevalent, it

seems. We haven't had this issue with Ben at all, except for a litle

licking when he was around 3 or 4 which lasted for a few months.

He is a kid who can't use his tongue to swipe the food out of the sides of

his mouth and down the chute to swallow, so to speak. He also doesn't use

his tongue to lick anything. I tried to get him to lick the last bit of

banana with meds off of a spoon. Nothing. He brought a sucker to me

(Valentine's Candy) and said " candy " and wanted me to unwrap it. I

unwrapped it and he just wanted to feel it. I kept putting it in his mouth

and when he wouldn't lick it and couldn't bite off a chunk, he wanted to

just feel it being nice and sticky. I showed him how to lick it and he

just wasn't interested. So weird.

He does chew on his fingers- they're all calloused, and from the sounds of

the regular DS list, this seems pretty prevalent. We've had OT's give him

rubber tubing but he won't chew on it- he just flips it. It fact, the

tubing is his all-time favorite flippy. So I save them until he's either

done something really great or he is in need of a real " boost " . Chewing

gum is unreliable- don't know where the gum will end up, either.

He also craves textures on his palms and on his feet. He'll take brushes

or my fingernails to rub on his hands. A small sticky ball is often

helpful in public- he gets the texture and it's discreet.

So far as contortionism, well, he of course can get his feet up around his

neck like most of our kids. The funniest time was when he was walking by

the teacher who was seated next to a child at the child's desk and he

stopped and casully flung HIS foot up on her shoulder for a moment. I

still laugh thinking about it.

Well, you gotta love em!

Beth, Mum to Ben, 9

February 15, 2000

Gail:

I couldn't believe your comments about rather having your child eat and/or

lick crap than losing a night's sleep due to restless kids.........well, I,

for one, would rather stay up ALL NIGHT than have my child subjected to

eating crap full of bacteria and God knows what other germs he may pick up.

I can't believe your doctor thinks this is harmless.......would YOU want to

be operated on by him if HE was a pica person and he didn't wash his hands

first?? Would you eat at his house if he was the chef????

Sorry for the soapbox, but that comment just killed me.........

February 15, 2000

in reference to the pica vs sleepless child......... i think i would much

rather stay up endless nights without ANY SLEEP than have ashton doodooing

and eating it.......... and plaster and cement and grass and bark,,,,,,,,,, i

have grown accustomed to no sleep..... we have a routine., ashton goes to bed

around 9pm and wakes around 1-3 am and then i get up and study while she does

school work or watches her movies........sounds strange but i sorta of look

forward to her allnighters because it gives me and her mommy time....daddy

and cameron are sleeping, so ITS A GIRLS NIGHT OUT........heheh if that were

only realisticly true........ no wine involved here........just books and the

puter and an adorable little angel who i would put my butt in front of a bus

to save....... But.......... all of us on this list have special children or

are involved with them somehow and are caring loving people...... all of

these kids have their own querks and perks and little problems............ i

am sure gail didnt choose to have a poop eating son on purpose nor did i

intentionally wish for a child who is sleepless and sings LOUDLY at night and

has pdd.......... but the fact is we all have something wrong and we have to

deal with what is on our plate as best we can and sometimes the only way to

do that is to LAUGH AND JOKE ABOUT IT TO KEEP SAIN..........so i think when

we do no harm is meant to any others.....we are just trying to keep sanity in

our souls for the sake of our children......... okay i am shutting up

now..........have a good day to all......leah

February 16, 2000

,

you bet I'd choose poop eating over night after night of no sleep! Not that

I like it, but it's what Seth does. I can handle anything if I get my sleep.

Seth has the most beautiful smile (when his mouth is clean) and he's the

happiest, cutest little guy on this earth who just happens to eat weird,

disgusting things! Maybe it's that we all get used to all the weird things

our kids do and they don't seem so bad. Endless, sleepless nights seem like

the very worst thing to me. I have had my share with occasional all nighters

between the 5 kids, but night after night? Not something I could handle.

Oh, I would also choose that my husband be healthier, my daughter never touch

alcohol again and 1,000 other things if I could. I'll take what I've got and

choose to laugh instead of cry.

gail

February 16, 2000

In a message dated 2/15/0 3:43:51 PM, paul.3@... writes:

<< The funniest time was when he was walking by

the teacher who was seated next to a child at the child's desk and he

stopped and casully flung HIS foot up on her shoulder for a moment. I

still laugh thinking about it. >>

Beth,

That is the best story, I can't stop laughing----hope the teacher had a sense

of humor.

Pam

July 23, 2002

Very good points- especially when one considers the existence of 'beeswax

absolute'- I suspect that the rich undertone to which you refer is thus to

be obtained au natural in this case.

The point on the frac coco- I had bought 3 batches of this. First had a

definite 'off-tone'. I had wondered if it somehow had absorbed something

from the plastic material of the bottle itself. 2nd batch was better. By the

time I bought the 3 and larger batch it went straight into my fridge. Now I

see your note on the alteration with heat, I am glad I went the way I did.

I think I had a chance to share with Roseanne the scent of a bit of

'propolis absolute' I had made. It is truly exquisite, and I must find the

time to work on this some more. The summer is so full of activity, that the

bees are just getting to exist and fertilize without any intervention from

me- hence no honey, but I hope this hive will continue to survive despite

the mites. This is their 3rd year. I think they swarmed a while ago, and if

so I hope I am seeding the environment with newly resistant bees. I do see

(as has been reported by others) increasing evidence of wild bees doing

well. There were several this year with sufficiently different coloration

from my hive bees (and yet clearly they were honeybees) that I am sure there

are wild hives around. I am watching the corn tassels to see what population

will be working them. The wild bees were working multiflora rose and rosa

canina.

Now here's an OT note ...I made 'May wine' this spring with sweet

woodruff and some Australian white. 'Twas interesting...so a few days ago I

had picked a sprig of basil to avoid the plant going to seed- thought about

putting it in tea- did put it in a cold cuppa, but not effectually. So THEN-

I was having a bit of sake and I dropped the sprig in there. Well,

HMMM...very quickly diffused into the wine. Quite nice. So of course tonight

I tried it with a small bit of blossom of clary sage...this is very

interesting indeed. What would you call this method? I see the possibility

of a lot of the culinary herbs. I am quite familiar with herb vinegars- but

herb wines? Almost along the line of the old medicinal cordials. I guess

it's like a tincture, but very short term and not as harsh.I did hawthorn

flower tincture this spring and will follow with hawthorne berry tincture-

but what about hawthorne flower wine as a mild medicinal? I wonder.

-- L Wakefield, owner and operator of the beastly truck heretik, that

refuses to stay between the lines when parking --

Message: 2

Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:55:43 EDT

From: scentart@...

Subject: Bases I like for solids

I have used beeswax, a combo of beeswax and shea butter and for liquid oils

I

have used jojoba, and fractionated coconut.

I prefer beeswax. It holds the scent, augments it a bit with it's rich

undertone, and I find the texture allows for longer life without somewhat

dampening it as the shea butter has.

This is a subtle difference, however, and shea butter allows for a richer

creamier texture. eliminate 1/3 of however much beeswax you are using and

substitute that amount w/shea butter.

I have found that one has to be careful about heating frac. coconut btw. I

infused some orris root in it, and gently heated it. It changed the frac.

coconut and created a rancid quality. This has happened twice with

infusions

of jasmine, and infusions of the orris...

I have gone back to jojoba. This is my all time favorite general purpose

carrier. But all is personal and subjective (g)

blessings, gail

" She was wearing a French perfume so dark it was almost carbolic... "

Fowles 'The Magus'

Gail , Fragranceur L.Cos.

www.gailadrian.com

Custom-Blended Natural Artisan Perfumes

T'arotmatics, Facials, Reiki, Energy Bodywork

May 26, 2004

Excuse me A. Habok - I was merely asking a question! We're all in the

same boat here (messed up spines & necks) and I was merely trying to

learn something.

I don't know what would be left to do after they cut out part of the

boney structure. Where would they screw in the hardware if they cut

out the back part of the vertebrae? These are the questions I have.

I guess your problem is lumbar - while I have herniations, bone spurs, &

stenosis in all three levels... my c-spine is the most severe right now.

I'm sorry you misunderstood. And I don't know how you think I was

" going on " .

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Message: 3

Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:53:39 -0400

From: " A. Habok " <northernstars@...>

Subject: Re: Digest Number 33

I know a lot of people on other lists that have had fusions done. I

know what hard ware is and I know all about what fusion is. It reduces

the mobility of the spine and stabilizes it but puts more strain on the

other levels that compensate. Well yes with a laminectomy they remove

vertebrae but with many types of stenosis they have to mainly because of

bone and osteophytes and/or discs (well duh!). In lumbar spine surgery

depending on what needs to be done anything that has to do with discs

either a laminotomy or laminectomy is performed. In my case I had such

a huge centrally herniated disc that they HAD to do an open discectomy

(and not a micro) in order to get all of the contents out of my canal

and remove the bone overgrowth that occurred because of my DDD.

Laminectomy is the norm with dealing with stenosis as it clears the way

for the nerves. I don't need a fusion yet and I am so glad I never had

one. I have other lumbar herniated discs what would be worse I'm sure.

I doubt I'd ever fuse with the way I heal. If I had a fusion it would

not be because of stenosis it would be because of the DDD. I am just

curious how they manage to remove your bone spurs without either a

laminectomy or a foramenotomy because I know fusions do not remove them.

I was just trying to be helpful and nice. With the way you are going

on then why should I bother?

safegirl@... wrote:

> Well with a fusion (I've already had one and many more to come) they

> add hardware.

>

> With a laminectomy the cut out section of the vertebrae. Don't they?

>

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Message: 7

Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 22:36:36 -0400

From: " A. Habok " <northernstars@...>

Subject: stenosis links

I just wanted to add that a Laminectomy is NOT the removal of a vertebra

as a whole. It is only the removal of the laminar (roof) area of the

vertebra and usually they do not remove 100% of the lamina. In some

cases a partial laminectomy can be done and they only remove what they

have to in order to access the disc, make more room for the nerve roots,

be able to get enough room to explore the thecal sac for disc fragments,

etc.

A Corpectomy is the removal/partial removal of a vertebral body. It is

normally done when a vertebra is crushed by trauma, etc. I have only

met one person to this day that has had one and it was only done because

he/she were shot in the back and the bullet completely crushed the L3

vertebra. WHen this happens sometimes doctors use rib bone or whatever

to try to rebuild a new vertebra in a sense. Fusion is mandatory in

this situation because there is no stability when this happens.

Remember we are all different and there are many types of spinal

stenosis. I have added two links to the links page on the group home

page which clarify how different they are from each other.

I hope this clarifies some things for some of us.

Have a nice day

Ama

May 26, 2004

PS - I also have DDD and fibromyalgia.

May 26, 2004

Well excuse me M. Hussli, actually you were coming across in your

email as quite condescending and in return I was treating you the way

you treated me when I asked you if a fusion is necessary at ALL those

levels. The reason why I got so annoyed is your definition of

" laminectomies being the be all end all of spine surgeries " . I know

many people that would argue against that and most people would say that

definition describes fusion and not a laminectomy. The only reason why

I asked in the first place is because you told me you never fused so I

was wondering if they had to fuse all those levels and could get away

with other decompression. If you don't fuse at one level then you are

bound to have the same problem with fusion at another level. A

laminectomy is done frequently and yes they can fuse with a laminectomy.

Heck I know someone who has been able to fuse after a corpectomy which

is way more invasive than a laminectomy. When they do a fusion they to

not attach hard ware to the lamina in the first place. Normally the

instrumentation is put in and screws are put into the pediles to hold

the instrumentation in place. If they can do successful fusion with a

corpectomy which is a lot more invasive than a laminectomy it is

possible. I've met many people who have had laminectomies in

combination with a fusion and they have fused fine. BTW it is normally

a laminectomy that removes bone spurs if you were wondering so what did

the operation do to remove yours if you never had one?

BTW I have DDD, lumbar herniated discs, Cauda Equina Syndrome, Stenosis,

all in the lumbar spine plus I have spondylolysis (slippage) from C2

through C5. Yah know the simple fact that I haven't ended up in a

wheelchair for life from the CES makes me feel extremely lucky to be

alive. My life may be agony but with the right balance of pain meds I

live life all I can and don't let my disabilities define who I am.

Ok I want this subject dropped before this gets out of hand. I came to

this group for support and to give advice not to have flame wars with

members. I have made my point and will ignore any further emails on

this thread.

M. Hussli wrote:

> Excuse me A. Habok - I was merely asking a question! We're all in the

> same boat here (messed up spines & necks) and I was merely trying to

> learn something.

>

> I don't know what would be left to do after they cut out part of the

> boney structure. Where would they screw in the hardware if they cut

> out the back part of the vertebrae? These are the questions I have.

>

> I guess your problem is lumbar - while I have herniations, bone spurs, &

> stenosis in all three levels... my c-spine is the most severe right now.

>

> I'm sorry you misunderstood. And I don't know how you think I was

> " going on " .

May 29, 2004

You know what? Why is it that I go and join a list hoping to find help, information, support and a shoulder to cry on cuz God knows my husband doesn't care how much pain I'm in or what my future looks like and yet everytime I'm fool enough to join one of these lists, everybody acts like know it alls and starts fighting and who is that helping?

<sigh> I wish you all well......

Someone with Spinal Stenosis and a perorated disc who knows hardly anything about my condition except that it will get worse with age and that I'm in alot of pain already......

-- Re: Digest Number 34

Well excuse me M. Hussli, actually you were coming across in your

email as quite condescending and in return I was treating you the way

you treated me when I asked you if a fusion is necessary at ALL those

levels. The reason why I got so annoyed is your definition of

"laminectomies being the be all end all of spine surgeries". I know