push/pull adjustment to ATD when trying to normalise

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Hey everyone.

I just got my latest set of results and guess what... still hypo

FT4 of 7 (RR 10-20)(up from 5 - 14 days ago)

TSH of 9.34 (RR 3.5-5.00) (up from 3.44 - 14 days ago)

This is really dragging on. I was going to drop my Carbimazole dose

even further. I am down to 12.5 mg a day. BUT, I am experiencing a

very much increasing heart rate - checked it a couple of times today

and it was over 100 at rest, and bouncing along at 115 or so whilst

walking around the shopping mall... sauntering really. It's keeping

me awake at night. Copper has started to make me feel bad

immediately after I take it.

Having gone hypo from too much Carbimazole, I really want to avoid

going hyper due to too little.

I know that TSH ups and downs are very much delayed and that the

window of delay is very variable, perhaps even within the one patient

it is variable. So it is hard to work out what the TSH is

reflecting. For instance, is it really showing how deprived my body

was of FT4 and FT3 six weeks ago? Or could it be four weeks ago?

Either way, am I right in thinking that whilst what TSH REFLECTS in

the body is delayed; high TSH WILL have a direct and rather more

immediate effect on my FT3 and FT4 levels ? Will it? Will this high

TSH promote higher thyroid hormone levels, to the extent that I

should perhaps hang on to my current dose of Carbimazole rather than

drop it down? It is such a see saw isn't it? The block and replace

method is making more and more sense to me!

In the absence of the block and replace method being offered to me -

is there an alternative therapy at all of what one might call

a " push/pull " approach? I can't quite work it out in my ailing

brain, but

you take ATDs to bring down your thyroid hormone levels,

this works so you drop the level of ATDs.

Your TSH levels respond to the drop in thyroid hormone levels, by

going up

Your Thyroid hormone levels, then go up in response to your raised

TSH, so you do not drop the ATD at the same rate as you did when your

TSH was entirely depressed, perhaps you should even creep the dose of

ATD up again for a couple of days if you see that your TSH is high,

or if you feel hyper???

I don't know. I can just get hold of the tip of the idea that there

might be some sort of increase/decrease approach to taking ATDs, that

might work in a similar way to block and replace.

It seems that this is what the doctors do anyway, but with far too

big and arbitrary swings in the " pendulum " between hyper and hypo;

they don't seem to do this on purpose but in a huffy " oh it's so

inconvenient when my patients blood levels do silly things " sort of a

fashion! I guess I am trying to work out some sort of formula for

this approach that would stop those swings being so extreme.

Still awaiting antibody results.

KIM! We really do seem to be going through similar patterns. No I

am not in remission. SO tired and clumsy! But gettng there - hang

in there mate!

DAWN ROSE

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Hi all,

Recently I have begun to feel heart palpitations several times throughout the day, especially after having coffee (I have only 1 cup per day). It has been almost 4 years since my thyroid levels have been normal, so I really don't think I have anything thyroid-related going on. Also, I had my blood levels checked recently, and they were in the normal range. I am going to see the doctor to get this checked out, but meanwhile am feeling somewhat alarmed.

I've read that some people have an irregular heartbeat which can lead to blood clots. I've also read that heart palpitations can be related to stress or certain foods or anxiety, and might be harmless. I'm thinking that maybe the palpitations are being caused by a supplement I'm taking, or maybe I need to take some other supplement, or more magnesium or something? Can anyone help me with this?

Thanks,

AntJoan

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Low estrogen levels can also cause palpitations? Is this a possibility?

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In a message dated 5/6/01 1:10:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, daisyelaine@... writes:

Low estrogen levels can also cause palpitations?

Elaine,

Was this a question, or is it true that low estrogen levels can cause palpitations? If it's true, I have to look into this, as I take Progest and also compounded progesterone, which oppose estrogen.

AntJoan

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Hi Ant Joan,

Yes, low estrogen levels are associated with palpitations. That's one of the

reasons I went back on estrogen.

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Ant Joan,

I don't have any handy references on the palpitations/low estrogen

connection, but I just went to www.google.com and entered " estrogen and

palpitations " A number of references came up.

[Guest guest]

Dear Elaine,

Thanks for the info. Has anyone heard anything about low estrogen levels causing heart palpitations?

AntJoan

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In a message dated 5/6/01 1:57:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daisyelaine@... writes:

Yes, low estrogen levels are associated with palpitations. That's one of the reasons I went back on estrogen.

Dear Elaine,

I never heard of this, which surprises me with all of the stuff I read on health. That's why I like this board.

AntJoan

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AntJoan, if you're looking for a natural form of estrogen instead of the drug, let me know. Reliv contains the natural form; that's the one I rely on. My mom never seemed able to get her dosage right. Always had problems with it; even with the patch. I'm looking to prevent Breast Cancer and avoid menopause symptoms. She had Uterine Cancer and Lung Cancer; I think I may be predisposed.

Donna

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Re: push/pull adjustment to ATD when trying to normalise

Hi Ant Joan,Yes, low estrogen levels are associated with palpitations. That's one of the reasons I went back on estrogen.

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Dear Donna,

What is the natural estrogen in Reliv? There are many plant estrogens, and many natural formulas on the market.

AntJoan

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AntJoan:

The natural estrogen in Reliv is, indeed, plant protein. Supro soy, to be exact. I don't know if you've ever heard of that (I hadn't), but it seems to be a premium quality soy. The SoySentials product contains 10g of that per scoop (2 suggested per day). It also contains Inulin (or FOS, which I was excited about), Activin (grape seed extract, antioxidant), Protykin (another antioxidant), CoQ10 (increases immunity and energy while stimulating production of antibodies), acidophilus along with key herbs for women's health. I really like this one.

Donna

http://trak.to/life

Re: push/pull adjustment to ATD when trying to normalise

Dear Donna, What is the natural estrogen in Reliv? There are many plant estrogens, and many natural formulas on the market. AntJoan