Re: Hi!--response to Marilyn

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

I just changed over your membership as requested. I'm concerned about

your daughter. Her distended abdomen and complaints of feeling cold suggest

to me that she has iron deficiency. The distended stomach is what is observed

in malnourished third world children during famines. Many of these children

suffer from iron deficiency and it's estimated that 25% of the world's

population is iron-deficient. Abdominal pain is also a symptom of iron

deficiency.

It's not good to make inferences from incomplete information, so I'd

suggest getting a hair analysis and perhaps a blood test to test for

iron-deficiency anemia. You can pull down her eyelid and look inside--you may

see white eyelid lining which is another symptom of anemia. Generally

children who are iron deficient develop pica, which is a craving to eat

unusual items. Typical pica cravings in iron deficiency are for ice or dirt.

Deficiency of vitamins can also prevent iron absorption so make sure she

has a good multiple. She could also have a B-12 deficiency. However excess

vitamin E can also cause iron deficiency and your daughter might get earaches

in this situation. Don't let her have more than 100 IU of E a day.

You can give your daughter some iron (25 mgs) to see what happens. She

may feel some better within 24 hours. However, keep the iron someplace where

she can't get to it because some children have poisoned themselves by eating

a whole bottle of iron (they used to put a sugar coating on them and children

loved this).

There are a lot of ways to get anemia and it can get nutritionally

complicated. However, usually when you feel cold, it's from iron deficiency

as opposed to other nutrient deficiencies.

Let me know.

In a message dated 2/20/01 6:19:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,

joy86@... writes:

<< Dear Elaine, and everybody,

I'm having problems with our server and I find it difficult sometimes to

answer immediately. , can this messages also be delivered to my other

e-mail address? It's manzo_lilyn@.... And I read the keratoconus site

and it should offer my friend a great help. Elaine too, thanks so much for

the information.

I'm worried about my daughter, she's 8 years old. 2 to 3 years ago she got

down with intestinal flu, with fever and stomach problems. After that, off

and on, she's been complaining of stomach upsets, vomiting profusely but

after a day or two she's fine. I brought her to a gastroenterologist, had

abdomainal scan and nothing was wrong. Another doctor said that it might be

stress or a psychological problem. Two weeks ago, again she became

indisposed, after that she complains of loose stools in the mornings,

headaches... as if it likes to burst, she says, and disappears immediately,

and she has very low tolerance for cold. Her tummy is bigger than her chest

and now I'm wondering if she has hiatal hernia or inflamed pancreas. The

results of her urine, blood and stool test will come out tomorrow yet, so I

can't give you measures for analysis yet.

When I was younger I also vomit profusely but hers recur more often than

mine. She's a very active girl but prone to complaints. When she was born,

she suffered fetal stress, they removed one and a half glass full of the

fluid from her lungs and stayed a week more in the hospital before taking

her home. Several times the doctors say it's stress related but I think

that there's more to it. I'll be back tomorrow if I can for the results of

her tests.

To the new members, WELCome, though it's a bit late, and it's great having

you on the board!

marilyn >>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I just found out tonight that I can access all the

Hyper e-mails now in this address. Thank you so much.

So , she has giardia and am angry why the doctors

were not able to diagnose this. I brought her to 3-4

docs and one a gastroentrologist. She had abdominal

x-ray too, maybe that was two years ago when her

stomach pains and nausea started. but they all said it

was just psychological.

this last two weeks I observed her to run to the

bathroom, couldn't quite control the urge to move, but

she's ok the rest of the days. So I just tried to see,

have her stool examined, urine analyzed and CBC too.

Good I did it and now we have results from this we can

work for a better and positive road to recovery. I

also had her tested for T4 and TSH thinking that she

must have similar problems like mine, but she's ok in

that category. By the way, the results of her tests,

the doctor kept.

Now if she had this giardia for quite a while already

then this could also contribute to malabsorption of

nutrients, isn't it? And yes she was complaining the

room was spinning and I'll try to see if her eyes are

also pale. She's on the chubby side and for me very

healthy, but I think that that could be deceiving.

, for now the doctor gave her Flagyl but it says

in the label that it can cause cancer on prolonged

treatment. Do you have other suggestions for the

eradication of the giardia? I don't know where she got

it or when, but the doctor said there's nothing to

fear, though uncommon, it's classified in the same

category as amoeba.

I'm really very happy that I found this site. you've

all been so helpful.

marilyn

--- bu007@... wrote:

> Hi Marilyn,

> I just changed over your membership as

> requested. I'm concerned about

> your daughter. Her distended abdomen and complaints

> of feeling cold suggest

> to me that she has iron deficiency. The distended

> stomach is what is observed

> in malnourished third world children during famines.

> Many of these children

> suffer from iron deficiency and it's estimated that

> 25% of the world's

> population is iron-deficient. Abdominal pain is also

> a symptom of iron

> deficiency.

> It's not good to make inferences from incomplete

> information, so I'd

> suggest getting a hair analysis and perhaps a blood

> test to test for

> iron-deficiency anemia. You can pull down her eyelid

> and look inside--you may

> see white eyelid lining which is another symptom of

> anemia. Generally

> children who are iron deficient develop pica, which

> is a craving to eat

> unusual items. Typical pica cravings in iron

> deficiency are for ice or dirt.

> Deficiency of vitamins can also prevent iron

> absorption so make sure she

> has a good multiple. She could also have a B-12

> deficiency. However excess

> vitamin E can also cause iron deficiency and your

> daughter might get earaches

> in this situation. Don't let her have more than 100

> IU of E a day.

> You can give your daughter some iron (25 mgs) to

> see what happens. She

> may feel some better within 24 hours. However, keep

> the iron someplace where

> she can't get to it because some children have

> poisoned themselves by eating

> a whole bottle of iron (they used to put a sugar

> coating on them and children

> loved this).

> There are a lot of ways to get anemia and it can

> get nutritionally

> complicated. However, usually when you feel cold,

> it's from iron deficiency

> as opposed to other nutrient deficiencies.

> Let me know.

>

>

> In a message dated 2/20/01 6:19:23 AM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> joy86@... writes:

>

> << Dear Elaine, and everybody,

>

> I'm having problems with our server and I find it

> difficult sometimes to

> answer immediately. , can this messages also be

> delivered to my other

> e-mail address? It's manzo_lilyn@.... And I

> read the keratoconus site

> and it should offer my friend a great help. Elaine

> too, thanks so much for

> the information.

>

> I'm worried about my daughter, she's 8 years old. 2

> to 3 years ago she got

> down with intestinal flu, with fever and stomach

> problems. After that, off

> and on, she's been complaining of stomach upsets,

> vomiting profusely but

> after a day or two she's fine. I brought her to a

> gastroenterologist, had

> abdomainal scan and nothing was wrong. Another

> doctor said that it might be

> stress or a psychological problem. Two weeks ago,

> again she became

> indisposed, after that she complains of loose

> stools in the mornings,

> headaches... as if it likes to burst, she says, and

> disappears immediately,

> and she has very low tolerance for cold. Her tummy

> is bigger than her chest

> and now I'm wondering if she has hiatal hernia or

> inflamed pancreas. The

> results of her urine, blood and stool test will

> come out tomorrow yet, so I

> can't give you measures for analysis yet.

>

> When I was younger I also vomit profusely but hers

> recur more often than

> mine. She's a very active girl but prone to

> complaints. When she was born,

> she suffered fetal stress, they removed one and a

> half glass full of the

> fluid from her lungs and stayed a week more in the

> hospital before taking

> her home. Several times the doctors say it's

> stress related but I think

> that there's more to it. I'll be back tomorrow if I

> can for the results of

> her tests.

>

> To the new members, WELCome, though it's a bit

> late, and it's great having

> you on the board!

>

> marilyn >>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

Glad to see that you're learning more about your daughter's problem. I

don't know anything about Giardia so I can't offer much help there. I think

it's still a good idea to check into the iron deficiency possibility,

however, since many bacterial infections can get hold in the body only when

iron is low. Low iron prevents the healthy bacteria from living in the gut,

so other bacteris like candida and others can grow there because they can

live in a low iron environment.

I would think that Giardia could use up more nutrients and cause problems

that way, but as I said I don't know about Giardia. Let me know how it goes.

In a message dated 2/24/01 7:58:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,

manzo_lilyn@... writes:

<< Hello ,

I just found out tonight that I can access all the

Hyper e-mails now in this address. Thank you so much.

So , she has giardia and am angry why the doctors

were not able to diagnose this. I brought her to 3-4

docs and one a gastroentrologist. She had abdominal

x-ray too, maybe that was two years ago when her

stomach pains and nausea started. but they all said it

was just psychological.

this last two weeks I observed her to run to the

bathroom, couldn't quite control the urge to move, but

she's ok the rest of the days. So I just tried to see,

have her stool examined, urine analyzed and CBC too.

Good I did it and now we have results from this we can

work for a better and positive road to recovery. I

also had her tested for T4 and TSH thinking that she

must have similar problems like mine, but she's ok in

that category. By the way, the results of her tests,

the doctor kept.

Now if she had this giardia for quite a while already

then this could also contribute to malabsorption of

nutrients, isn't it? And yes she was complaining the

room was spinning and I'll try to see if her eyes are

also pale. She's on the chubby side and for me very

healthy, but I think that that could be deceiving.

, for now the doctor gave her Flagyl but it says

in the label that it can cause cancer on prolonged

treatment. Do you have other suggestions for the

eradication of the giardia? I don't know where she got

it or when, but the doctor said there's nothing to

fear, though uncommon, it's classified in the same

category as amoeba.

I'm really very happy that I found this site. you've

all been so helpful.

marilyn

--- bu007@... wrote:

> Hi Marilyn,

> I just changed over your membership as

> requested. I'm concerned about

> your daughter. Her distended abdomen and complaints

> of feeling cold suggest

> to me that she has iron deficiency. The distended

> stomach is what is observed

> in malnourished third world children during famines.

> Many of these children

> suffer from iron deficiency and it's estimated that

> 25% of the world's

> population is iron-deficient. Abdominal pain is also

> a symptom of iron

> deficiency.

> It's not good to make inferences from incomplete

> information, so I'd

> suggest getting a hair analysis and perhaps a blood

> test to test for

> iron-deficiency anemia. You can pull down her eyelid

> and look inside--you may

> see white eyelid lining which is another symptom of

> anemia. Generally

> children who are iron deficient develop pica, which

> is a craving to eat

> unusual items. Typical pica cravings in iron

> deficiency are for ice or dirt.

> Deficiency of vitamins can also prevent iron

> absorption so make sure she

> has a good multiple. She could also have a B-12

> deficiency. However excess

> vitamin E can also cause iron deficiency and your

> daughter might get earaches

> in this situation. Don't let her have more than 100

> IU of E a day.

> You can give your daughter some iron (25 mgs) to

> see what happens. She

> may feel some better within 24 hours. However, keep

> the iron someplace where

> she can't get to it because some children have

> poisoned themselves by eating

> a whole bottle of iron (they used to put a sugar

> coating on them and children

> loved this).

> There are a lot of ways to get anemia and it can

> get nutritionally

> complicated. However, usually when you feel cold,

> it's from iron deficiency

> as opposed to other nutrient deficiencies.

> Let me know.

>

>

> In a message dated 2/20/01 6:19:23 AM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> joy86@... writes:

>

> << Dear Elaine, and everybody,

>

> I'm having problems with our server and I find it

> difficult sometimes to

> answer immediately. , can this messages also be

> delivered to my other

> e-mail address? It's manzo_lilyn@.... And I

> read the keratoconus site

> and it should offer my friend a great help. Elaine

> too, thanks so much for

> the information.

>

> I'm worried about my daughter, she's 8 years old. 2

> to 3 years ago she got

> down with intestinal flu, with fever and stomach

> problems. After that, off

> and on, she's been complaining of stomach upsets,

> vomiting profusely but

> after a day or two she's fine. I brought her to a

> gastroenterologist, had

> abdomainal scan and nothing was wrong. Another

> doctor said that it might be

> stress or a psychological problem. Two weeks ago,

> again she became

> indisposed, after that she complains of loose

> stools in the mornings,

> headaches... as if it likes to burst, she says, and

> disappears immediately,

> and she has very low tolerance for cold. Her tummy

> is bigger than her chest

> and now I'm wondering if she has hiatal hernia or

> inflamed pancreas. The

> results of her urine, blood and stool test will

> come out tomorrow yet, so I

> can't give you measures for analysis yet.

>

> When I was younger I also vomit profusely but hers

> recur more often than

> mine. She's a very active girl but prone to

> complaints. When she was born,

> she suffered fetal stress, they removed one and a

> half glass full of the

> fluid from her lungs and stayed a week more in the

> hospital before taking

> her home. Several times the doctors say it's

> stress related but I think

> that there's more to it. I'll be back tomorrow if I

> can for the results of

> her tests.

>

> To the new members, WELCome, though it's a bit

> late, and it's great having

> you on the board!

>

> marilyn >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

> I think it's still a good idea to check into the iron deficiency possibility,

> however, since many bacterial infections can get hold in the body only when

> iron is low. Low iron prevents the healthy bacteria from living in the gut,

> so other bacteris like candida and others can grow there because they can

> live in a low iron environment.

Giardia lamblia is NOT a bacteria, it's a parasite. Single-celled organism, a

protozoan, a simple animal form. Causes giardiasis. It's one of the 80 or so

little critters I studied in pathology and parasitology. Usually contracted by

drinking contaminated water. Even in the wild, wooded areas, drinking from that

crystal clear stream can harbour these parasites. Sometimes known as tuelaremia

or beaver fever....

Anyway, you can find more information here:

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/chap22.html

http://www.vibrantwellness.com/awareness-corporation/parasite1.htm

http://www.esemag.com/0197/giardia.html

http://martin.parasitology.mcgill.ca/jimspage/GIARDIA.HTM

http://www.cellsalive.com/parasit.htm

http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~parasite/giardia.html

http://www.looksmart.com/eus1/eus65300/eus65303/eus77824/eus541028/eus54857/eus3\

28564/eus931698/eus937126/eus937168/r?l &

http://www.healthlinkusa.com/122B.html

There's more, but that should get you started. There are several different

antiprotozoal medications, and there are several herb combinations which are

supposedly effective, but I can't comment on any of them. Parasitic cysts can

be

very hardy. There's one parasitic cyst that can survive for six months in 10%

formalin.

Anyway, this isn't a parasite list....

Me.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/25/01 3:48:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,

manzo_lilyn@... writes:

<< , here's her blood test results:

Hemoglobin 127 (110-150)

hematocrit 0.38 (.37-.47)

leukocyte count 11.2 (5-10)

neutrophils 0.67 (.68-.7)

segmenters 0.67 (.58-.66)

lymphocytes 0.26 (.21-.3)

monocytes 0.03 (.04-.08)

eosinophils 0.04 (0.02-0.04)

I saw her eyelids and it's redder than ours. But what

do you think about her blood, is she anemic or iron

deficient? >>

She might be a little anemic--her hematocrit is low, but her hemoglobin is

ok. Probably the Giardia is the main problem.

[Guest guest]

, here's her blood test results:

Hemoglobin 127 (110-150)

hematocrit 0.38 (.37-.47)

leukocyte count 11.2 (5-10)

neutrophils 0.67 (.68-.7)

segmenters 0.67 (.58-.66)

lymphocytes 0.26 (.21-.3)

monocytes 0.03 (.04-.08)

eosinophils 0.04 (0.02-0.04)

I saw her eyelids and it's redder than ours. But what

do you think about her blood, is she anemic or iron

deficient?

Thank you,

marilyn

--- bu007@... wrote:

> Hi Marilyn,

> Glad to see that you're learning more about your

> daughter's problem. I

> don't know anything about Giardia so I can't offer

> much help there. I think

> it's still a good idea to check into the iron

> deficiency possibility,

> however, since many bacterial infections can get

> hold in the body only when

> iron is low. Low iron prevents the healthy bacteria

> from living in the gut,

> so other bacteris like candida and others can grow

> there because they can

> live in a low iron environment.

> I would think that Giardia could use up more

> nutrients and cause problems

> that way, but as I said I don't know about Giardia.

> Let me know how it goes.

>

>

> In a message dated 2/24/01 7:58:52 AM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> manzo_lilyn@... writes:

>

> << Hello ,

>

> I just found out tonight that I can access all the

> Hyper e-mails now in this address. Thank you so

> much.

>

> So , she has giardia and am angry why the

> doctors

> were not able to diagnose this. I brought her to

> 3-4

> docs and one a gastroentrologist. She had abdominal

> x-ray too, maybe that was two years ago when her

> stomach pains and nausea started. but they all said

> it

> was just psychological.

>

> this last two weeks I observed her to run to the

> bathroom, couldn't quite control the urge to move,

> but

> she's ok the rest of the days. So I just tried to

> see,

> have her stool examined, urine analyzed and CBC

> too.

> Good I did it and now we have results from this we

> can

> work for a better and positive road to recovery. I

> also had her tested for T4 and TSH thinking that

> she

> must have similar problems like mine, but she's ok

> in

> that category. By the way, the results of her

> tests,

> the doctor kept.

>

> Now if she had this giardia for quite a while

> already

> then this could also contribute to malabsorption of

> nutrients, isn't it? And yes she was complaining

> the

> room was spinning and I'll try to see if her eyes

> are

> also pale. She's on the chubby side and for me

> very

> healthy, but I think that that could be deceiving.

>

> , for now the doctor gave her Flagyl but it

> says

> in the label that it can cause cancer on prolonged

> treatment. Do you have other suggestions for the

> eradication of the giardia? I don't know where she

> got

> it or when, but the doctor said there's nothing to

> fear, though uncommon, it's classified in the same

> category as amoeba.

>

> I'm really very happy that I found this site.

> you've

> all been so helpful.

>

> marilyn

>

>

> --- bu007@... wrote:

> > Hi Marilyn,

> > I just changed over your membership as

> > requested. I'm concerned about

> > your daughter. Her distended abdomen and

> complaints

> > of feeling cold suggest

> > to me that she has iron deficiency. The distended

> > stomach is what is observed

> > in malnourished third world children during

> famines.

> > Many of these children

> > suffer from iron deficiency and it's estimated

> that

> > 25% of the world's

> > population is iron-deficient. Abdominal pain is

> also

> > a symptom of iron

> > deficiency.

> > It's not good to make inferences from

> incomplete

> > information, so I'd

> > suggest getting a hair analysis and perhaps a

> blood

> > test to test for

> > iron-deficiency anemia. You can pull down her

> eyelid

> > and look inside--you may

> > see white eyelid lining which is another symptom

> of

> > anemia. Generally

> > children who are iron deficient develop pica,

> which

> > is a craving to eat

> > unusual items. Typical pica cravings in iron

> > deficiency are for ice or dirt.

> > Deficiency of vitamins can also prevent iron

> > absorption so make sure she

> > has a good multiple. She could also have a B-12

> > deficiency. However excess

> > vitamin E can also cause iron deficiency and your

> > daughter might get earaches

> > in this situation. Don't let her have more than

> 100

> > IU of E a day.

> > You can give your daughter some iron (25 mgs)

> to

> > see what happens. She

> > may feel some better within 24 hours. However,

> keep

> > the iron someplace where

> > she can't get to it because some children have

> > poisoned themselves by eating

> > a whole bottle of iron (they used to put a sugar

> > coating on them and children

> > loved this).

> > There are a lot of ways to get anemia and it

> can

> > get nutritionally

> > complicated. However, usually when you feel cold,

> > it's from iron deficiency

> > as opposed to other nutrient deficiencies.

> > Let me know.

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 2/20/01 6:19:23 AM Pacific

> > Standard Time,

> > joy86@... writes:

> >

> > << Dear Elaine, and everybody,

> >

> > I'm having problems with our server and I find

> it

> > difficult sometimes to

> > answer immediately. , can this messages also

> be

> > delivered to my other

> > e-mail address? It's manzo_lilyn@.... And

> I

> > read the keratoconus site

> > and it should offer my friend a great help.

> Elaine

> > too, thanks so much for

> > the information.

> >

> > I'm worried about my daughter, she's 8 years

> old. 2

> > to 3 years ago she got

> > down with intestinal flu, with fever and stomach

> > problems. After that, off

> > and on, she's been complaining of stomach

> upsets,

> > vomiting profusely but

> > after a day or two she's fine. I brought her to

> a

> > gastroenterologist, had

> > abdomainal scan and nothing was wrong. Another

> > doctor said that it might be

> > stress or a psychological problem. Two weeks

> ago,

> > again she became

> > indisposed, after that she complains of loose

> > stools in the mornings,

> > headaches... as if it likes to burst, she says,

> and

> > disappears immediately,

> > and she has very low tolerance for cold. Her

> tummy

> > is bigger than her chest

> > and now I'm wondering if she has hiatal hernia

> or

> > inflamed pancreas. The

> > results of her urine, blood and stool test will

> > come out tomorrow yet, so I

> > can't give you measures for analysis yet.

>

=== message truncated ===

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[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

Based on those results, your daughter isn't anemic. Iron deficiency does

cause a microcytic anemia which isn't even suggested here. Also, several

recent studies have linked iron supplements to increased cancer risk so you

might want to use caution if you decide to try iron supplements. Most

multivitamin manufacturers are now offering iron free products for this

reason.

[Guest guest]

Actually, these are adult normal ranges listed with the report. Children

normally run lower.

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

Giardia are fairly tough critters, but there are a few natural parasitic

agents you might want to try first. My concern would be that if the Gardia

have been thriving in your daughter's stomach for upwards of 2 years, they

may have taken too good of a hold. We've found surprising cases of Giardia

in body fluid outside of the abdominal cavity from several surgical cases

recently.

Pumpkin seeds are one of the natural agents that comes to mind and perhaps

wormwood, but you should be able to find a definitive listing online, keeping

in mind that some natural agents are also toxic. There have been fatalities

reported from wormwood bought via the internet so you do have to be careful.

At least with Flagyl, you know it's effective and it would only be used

short-term. Maybe Mike has some more thoughts on this.

Whatever therapy you use, you'll have to have your daughter's stool specimens

tested. It takes a minimum of 3 negative tests to be considered free of

Giardia. It's not that they're hard to find but there are different stages of

their life cycle that we look for and some stages are easier to detect than

others. There is also a new test for Giardia antigens that is more sensitive

than the traditional tests for Ova and Parasites.

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

Just wanted to say, giardia isn't nearly as uncommon as they say it is. When

I lived in Delaware, it was pretty rampant. At first they were blaming day

care, which my child was not in, and then an article came out expsoing the

fact that there was an elevated leval of fecal matter in the entire water

supply. Giardia is found in fecal matter.

My oldest had it as a toddler. Luckily they didn't take as long to diagnose

it as they did with your daughter, but it was not pleasant, nonetheless. And

I'd just warn you that if she's been having loose stools for a while, once

the medication clears it up, constipation could become a problem, so watch

out for that. This happened to my daughter, which started a whole process of

stool withholding.

Eventually we got it all worked out, but I know your frustration, especially

with the doctors. They can be so off base in every way.

Penny

[Guest guest]

hello all,

I remembered last year... my homeopathic doctor gave me some stuff for

parasites. One of the herbal supplements had hydrochloride acid. I've

heard that you should use hydrochloride because it will kill the parasites in

your body.

Kozy

[Guest guest]

Thanks Elaine,

Do you have any other suggestion to managing protozoal

infections? IF she has to be on treatment, I don't

want it to be Flagyl... it says on the label...risk of

having cancer after prolonged use. But I'm giving her

that now for seven days and after that stool exam

again. I'm worried about the cysts harboring in the

liver.... so would flush it out with olive oil and

vinegar after the stool exam results nd then look for

other options...

bye for now,

marilyn

--- daisyelaine@... wrote:

> Hi Marilyn,

> Based on those results, your daughter isn't anemic.

> Iron deficiency does

> cause a microcytic anemia which isn't even suggested

> here. Also, several

> recent studies have linked iron supplements to

> increased cancer risk so you

> might want to use caution if you decide to try iron

> supplements. Most

> multivitamin manufacturers are now offering iron

> free products for this

> reason.

>

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[Guest guest]

I asked for children's normal range but they didn't

have it, funny thing isn't it? it's a clinical lab...

and I'll try out the themestream today....

my best to you and your family,

marilyn

--- daisyelaine@... wrote:

> Actually, these are adult normal ranges listed with

> the report. Children

> normally run lower.

>

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[Guest guest]

Wow...

Can blood be tested for giardia? So far the only

dignostic means that they're practicing here is

looking for eggs and parasites under the microscope.

They don't even have TSI and no hair analysis for

thyroids...

I'll try the websites listed by M.. too for today...

again thanks, Elaine.

--- daisyelaine@... wrote:

> Hi Marilyn,

> Giardia are fairly tough critters, but there are a

> few natural parasitic

> agents you might want to try first. My concern would

> be that if the Gardia

> have been thriving in your daughter's stomach for

> upwards of 2 years, they

> may have taken too good of a hold. We've found

> surprising cases of Giardia

> in body fluid outside of the abdominal cavity from

> several surgical cases

> recently.

> Pumpkin seeds are one of the natural agents that

> comes to mind and perhaps

> wormwood, but you should be able to find a

> definitive listing online, keeping

> in mind that some natural agents are also toxic.

> There have been fatalities

> reported from wormwood bought via the internet so

> you do have to be careful.

> At least with Flagyl, you know it's effective and it

> would only be used

> short-term. Maybe Mike has some more thoughts on

> this.

>

>

> Whatever therapy you use, you'll have to have your

> daughter's stool specimens

> tested. It takes a minimum of 3 negative tests to be

> considered free of

> Giardia. It's not that they're hard to find but

> there are different stages of

> their life cycle that we look for and some stages

> are easier to detect than

> others. There is also a new test for Giardia

> antigens that is more sensitive

> than the traditional tests for Ova and Parasites.

>

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[Guest guest]

I haven't seen a blood test out yet. The Giardia antigen test is done on

stool specimens. Here's some info from Mayo clinic on Giardia. " Giardia infect

primarily the small intestine causing diarrhea by unknown mechanisms after

attaching by their ventral sucker. malabsorption may also occur. Giardiasis

is the most common intestinal parasitic infection in the US and is a common

cause of diarrhea in children (especially in day care centers), travelers and

in waterborne epidemics. The human host ingests them in water, food and by

the fecal-oral route. They're found in natural streams, lakes, and surface

water municipal reservoirs. " Day care? It would be good if you had an idea

of the source so you can avoid possible re-infection.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I agree with Penny. Giardia can be picked up from just about

anywhere. I even saw this Dateline (I believe) that told of fast

food chains where they tested the soda dispensers and found all kinds of

parasites there on the spouts where the soda comes out. Gross, but

true. They only suggested that you wipe the spout with a napkin before

pouring your drink, though. Can that keep you from getting it?

Seems a little less than you'd think necessary. Besides that, my

friend, Vicki (one of my daycare moms) contracted it somehow. She

can't fathom how it happened, but after seeing that show, I can see where

it might happen. Even if we live in the cleanest environments.

Kids, however, are NOT the cleanest little critters! I look around

me while I'm caring for all these little guys and shudder to think what

might be passing between them. I don't beat myself up about it, though.

I just try to keep things as sanitary as possible while still being comfortable.

And prevent what I can prevent nutritionally.

Donna

PennyHoule@... wrote:

Hi Marilyn,

Just wanted to say, giardia isn't nearly as uncommon as they say

it is. When

I lived in Delaware, it was pretty rampant. At first they were

blaming day

care, which my child was not in, and then an article came out expsoing

the

fact that there was an elevated leval of fecal matter in the entire

water

supply. Giardia is found in fecal matter.

My oldest had it as a toddler. Luckily they didn't take as long

to diagnose

it as they did with your daughter, but it was not pleasant, nonetheless.

And

I'd just warn you that if she's been having loose stools for a

while, once

the medication clears it up, constipation could become a problem,

so watch

out for that. This happened to my daughter, which started a whole

process of

stool withholding.

Eventually we got it all worked out, but I know your frustration,

especially

with the doctors. They can be so off base in every way.

Penny

[Guest guest]

I've run a group home daycare for about 12 years. We have newborns

on up at any given time. We do try to be careful about fecal matter;

not the most savory of tasks. And, I'm sure that most daycares do

try to be careful. But little ones are not the most sanitary of individuals.

Giardia could very well be transmitted from one person to another in such

situations. But I've learned that it can also be transmitted through

many other venues. You just have to do your best to be careful.

One of my daycare moms was diagnosed last year with the parasite and she

couldn't figure out WHERE she might have picked it up. We're talking

about a woman who gets grossed out very easily, here. I know that

she couldn't have gotten it through carelessness. Just goes to show

that you just can't tell for sure.

Donna

daisyelaine@... wrote:

I haven't seen a blood test out yet. The Giardia

antigen test is done on

stool specimens. Here's some info from Mayo clinic on Giardia."Giardia

infect

primarily the small intestine causing diarrhea by unknown mechanisms

after

attaching by their ventral sucker. malabsorption may also occur.

Giardiasis

is the most common intestinal parasitic infection in the US and

is a common

cause of diarrhea in children (especially in day care centers),

travelers and

in waterborne epidemics. The human host ingests them in water,

food and by

the fecal-oral route. They're found in natural streams, lakes,

and surface

water municipal reservoirs." Day care? It would be good if

you had an idea

of the source so you can avoid possible re-infection.

[Guest guest]

Most probably it came from a water source maybe from

her school or else all of us would have it in the

house. Last December, the entire water system in the

city was contaminated with a rotavirus they said, that

a lot of people were admitted in the hospital, I know

of one who got weak and never got better, died from

weakness and dehydration. To safeguard against future

infections, I bought a pitcher with a filter, I just

forgot the brand name but at least it helps.

marilyn

--- daisyelaine@... wrote:

> I haven't seen a blood test out yet. The Giardia

> antigen test is done on

> stool specimens. Here's some info from Mayo clinic

> on Giardia. " Giardia infect

> primarily the small intestine causing diarrhea by

> unknown mechanisms after

> attaching by their ventral sucker. malabsorption may

> also occur. Giardiasis

> is the most common intestinal parasitic infection in

> the US and is a common

> cause of diarrhea in children (especially in day

> care centers), travelers and

> in waterborne epidemics. The human host ingests them

> in water, food and by

> the fecal-oral route. They're found in natural

> streams, lakes, and surface

> water municipal reservoirs. " Day care? It would be

> good if you had an idea

> of the source so you can avoid possible

> re-infection.

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Penny, it just goes to show that we have to be

cautious in anything that we take, most especially

with our children.

marilyn

--- PennyHoule@... wrote:

> Hi Marilyn,

>

> Just wanted to say, giardia isn't nearly as uncommon

> as they say it is. When

> I lived in Delaware, it was pretty rampant. At first

> they were blaming day

> care, which my child was not in, and then an article

> came out expsoing the

> fact that there was an elevated leval of fecal

> matter in the entire water

> supply. Giardia is found in fecal matter.

>

> My oldest had it as a toddler. Luckily they didn't

> take as long to diagnose

> it as they did with your daughter, but it was not

> pleasant, nonetheless. And

> I'd just warn you that if she's been having loose

> stools for a while, once

> the medication clears it up, constipation could

> become a problem, so watch

> out for that. This happened to my daughter, which

> started a whole process of

> stool withholding.

>

> Eventually we got it all worked out, but I know your

> frustration, especially

> with the doctors. They can be so off base in every

> way.

>

> Penny

>

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[Guest guest]

Could that be a Brita, Marilyn? Those are nice to have. Makes

your water taste very good, too. They were too small for this big

ol' household, though. We ended up putting in a Rainsoft system so

that the water coming right from the tap would be filtered and clean.

We didn't have a threat of any kind, really. Just yuck water and

dry skin and dingy clothes. I like having soft water, too.

Feels good in the shower. Do they have anything like this in the

Philippines?

Donna

marilyn manzo wrote:

Most probably it came from a water source maybe

from

her school or else all of us would have it in the

house. Last December, the entire water system in the

city was contaminated with a rotavirus they said, that

a lot of people were admitted in the hospital, I know

of one who got weak and never got better, died from

weakness and dehydration. To safeguard against future

infections, I bought a pitcher with a filter, I just

forgot the brand name but at least it helps.

marilyn

--- daisyelaine@... wrote:

> I haven't seen a blood test out yet. The Giardia

> antigen test is done on

> stool specimens. Here's some info from Mayo clinic

> on Giardia."Giardia infect

> primarily the small intestine causing diarrhea by

> unknown mechanisms after

> attaching by their ventral sucker. malabsorption may

> also occur. Giardiasis

> is the most common intestinal parasitic infection in

> the US and is a common

> cause of diarrhea in children (especially in day

> care centers), travelers and

> in waterborne epidemics. The human host ingests them

> in water, food and by

> the fecal-oral route. They're found in natural

> streams, lakes, and surface

> water municipal reservoirs." Day care? It would be

> good if you had an idea

> of the source so you can avoid possible

> re-infection.

>

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