Re: Meat, copper, hyperT

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/00 8:36:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,

debspiritwalker@... writes:

<< While you are on the subject of diet, what about protein powder

suppement for protein? >>

Protein powder is mainly from milk and egg and probably has a very high

zinc to copper ratio--good for hypos, but very bad for hypers.

[Guest guest]

While you are on the subject of diet, what about protein powder

suppement for protein? On my recent hair analysis, they recommended

reducing the soy because it can decrease thyroid activity (along with

cabbage,turnips etc) I was shooting for about 42-48 Gm a day, and that

soy milk really helped. Have you used this.

And thanks for the comments about meat and copper ratio. That is very

interesting.

Deb

[Guest guest]

is there no protein powder good for hypers? i have been interested in the

david essel diet (radio talk show host) and his diet suggests two protein

shakes per day for blood sugar problems.

mary margaret

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In a message dated 3/8/00 4:26:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, Notsed8@...

writes:

<< is there no protein powder good for hypers? i have been interested in the

david essel diet (radio talk show host) and his diet suggests two protein

shakes per day for blood sugar problems.

mary margaret >>

Hi ,

I tried a lot of them and they all made me feel worse. There may be some

out there that are vegetarian protein, but there may be other problems with

those. The milk and egg protein is only one of the problems. The milk we

know affects hypers adversely because of the low magnesium content. The egg

protein does not contain the yolks.

Biotin is a B vitamin which I'm pretty sure is deficient in hyperT. The

only documented way to get a biotin deficiency is to eat raw egg whites.

While there is no evidence to support this, my belief is that consumption of

egg whites without the yolks will promote a biotin deficiency. Because

biotin is necessary for proper copper metabolism, consuming egg whites

without the yolks will probably promote a copper deficiency and therefore

promote hyperT.

The other problems with protein supplements is that they usually contain

vitamins and minerals. The formulations of these are very much like those

found in multiple vitamin/minerals. They have too much zinc and too little

copper and also are deficient in biotin and PABA. Also, protein supplements

are usually low in fats and this is bad for hypers.

When you add all these factors up, protein supplements appear to be

perfect for the stimulation of the thyroid and the creation of

hyperthyroidism. If I wanted to create a supplement to produce

hyperthyroidism, it would come out pretty much like a protein supplement.

My advice is to eat whole fresh eggs as your protein supplement and make

sure you get adequate copper and fat.

As far as blood sugar problems, protein is necessary, but it's not the

whole story. We've seen that most hypers have disturbances in their

chromium/manganese ratios and are usually deficient in chromium. Chromium

and copper are critical for proper production of insulin, which controls

blood sugar. There are several studies showing that copper is necessary for

insulin production. Other nutrients which may be involved in insulin

production and blood sugar problems are vanadium, molybdenum, and tungsten.

The first two you can get as supplements but not tungsten. Researchers in

Japan have reported complete reversal of diabetes with tungsten

supplementation, but U.S. and other researchers have not reported any

followup studies on this.

[Guest guest]

thanks john

remember when everyone was thowing raw eggs into shakes etc... now there's

the scare of food poisioning. do you think eating raw eggs is really that

risky? also, your supplements list.... i've only began copper. is that

o.k.? is there a condensed list you could make for all of us poor people?

maybe the most important five or something. i was level for two weeks and

went hyper again. my endo is pushing the discussion on RAI. she wouldn't

force me or anything, but she is concerned i suppose. i have been doing

accupunture, meditation, massage, drinking more water, getting more sun,

taking copper and chinese herbs and PTU. what else can i do???? i am so

anti RAI. it would be cool to bring my levels down for next dr.'s visit so

she'll shut up about RAI.

mary margaret

[Guest guest]

Regarding soy protein: I buy isolated soy protein. Two round tbs. supplies

110 calories and 5 fat calories, and 25 grams of protein.

Two years ago I found that dairy products seem to irritate my eyes about 2

hours after ingestion, so i avoid dairy. In its place, I use a soy beverage

powder which supplies 130 calories, 6 grams various fats (sat. poly unsat.,

and mono sat.), and 6 grams of protein. (8 oz. glass)

I am hyper, so the soy has not caused any problems for me. I also have ted.

One exception to dairy avoidance: I eat lots of yogurt; no problems.

Joyce

[Guest guest]

I wonder about the SOY protein powder that I would pick up in bulk at the health

food store. Although SOY is a no-no if the supplements aren't up to par because

soy effects thyroid function. I don't know though; one has to think that the

isoflavonoids (or whatever they are called from soy) are very good once a day (I

don't know the measurement) probably though not so good to depend on soy

for basic protein while thyroid is not balanced. What does anyone think?

Swan

[Guest guest]

Swan,

Yes, my hair analysis said to stop the soy for 4 days, then only once

every 3 days. It is supposed to decrease thyroid activity and produce

hypo symptoms. That may not be good if you were hypo first before

becoming hyper.

It can be confusing and sometimes I wonder if I can eat anything.

I have had my 3rd acupuncture treatment, am taking Chinese herbs and am

seeing no change yet. I am a little discouraged, but it is slower than

Western medicine, I guess.

Deb