Guest guest Posted December 13, 1999 Report Share Posted December 13, 1999 Hello, I read about the suspicion of immunizations weakening the immune system and allowing in the autoimmune diseases: --thyroid and allergies. My father's side of the family (Irish, German) have the thyroid problems and parkinsons's and quite a bit alcoholism, if that matters. My mother's family has blood pressure problems (Lithuanian) 1st generation. We six kids were all immunized. I am the only one with thyroid problems and only 2 of us have allergy/histamine problems. Blood pressure effects 4 of the others. I am for immunizating because of the epidemic problematics. Anyone who has studied history of these diseases knows they are not gone, just dormant. I immunized my 3 kids with hesitation after reading 'encephalitis' possibility. It's tough being the parent. Because of sickness and suffering, it gives guilt for even bringing them into the world. Eileen para-@... wrote: original article:hyperthyroidism/?start=31 61 > Hi > I agree that nutrition has alot to do with it yes!! But I also believe > that > vaccination (Toxin coctail) is also a huge dump on our systems. I was > fully vaccinated as a child and have read alot on the subject and can't > help but think that this also has had a huge affect on my health,as > well as my 5 sisters. My mother's family has no R.A or Lupus or > Diabeties or Thyroid problem (eccept for an aunt who has just been > diagnosed at the age of 70). My father's family have none of these > diseases. But 5 out of 6 children aged 32-42 are suffering quite > badly,(all fully vaccinated). > I also believe that vaccination is causing a weakness in our immune > system. > As for not breast feeding, I'm not sure that would be the wayto go > either. > There are so many reasons to breast feed,I have 2 children the first I > couldnt breast feed(for many reasons). the second I fed till 10 months > (she gave up on me). My first has numerous health problems and the > second is healthy. I put my son on soy formula(10years ago)and he has > so many alergies its not funny. > The second has none. > Science thinks it can do a better job than Mother Nature,but they sure > have stuffed us up! > > Ali > " mary petrie " <petri00-@...> wrote: > original article:hyperthyroidism/?start= 31 > 59 > > Greetings All, > > > > I'm new to this list and am now mulling over issues and seeing > connections that > > are old to some of you. But made two observtions that I'd like > to comment > > on. > > > > The first, he notes that hyper and hypo problems may be part of the > same > > disease. I think he's right. The endocrinologist I saw at the Mayo > Clinic said > > that he prefers not to think of Graves or Hashimotos as distinct > diseases, > > because they're really different aspects of a single " disease " : > autoimmune > > thyroid disease. I think they use AITD to stand for this. He made > this point > > because I have antibodies for both Hashimotos and Graves, which I > thought was > > quite unusual. Instead, he said it's more common than people > realize. He told > > me that my antibody count and configuration would vary from month to > month, year > > to year, and that my symptoms (hyper or hypo) would vary accordingly. > > > > > There's a web site (http://www.repro.med.net) from the medical school > at Chicago > > University that featured an M.D. named Beer who is a fertility > specialist. He > > speculates that one day thyroid problems will be recognized as one > part of a > > more complex endocrine autoimmunity -- he goes beyond calling > Graves/Hashimotos > > autoimmune thyroid disease, to autoimmune endocrine disease. I found > this > > interesting in light of all the other endocrine problems I've heard > about in > > other women and have moderately experienced myself since my diagnosis. > > > > The second point is 's belief that hypo and hyperthyroidism are > caused by > > nutrient deficiencies. Again, I would agree but have some " food " for > thought on > > this issue and a question. Could the nutritional deficiencies be > related to the > > consumption or absorbtion of toxins? I'm wondering, , what the > relationship > > between nutrient deficiencies and toxins is, especially in light of > the > > following info I thought I'd share. > > > > Perhas many of you are familiar with " Our Stolen Future: Are We > Threatening Our > > Fertiltiy, Intelligence, and Survival? " by Theo Colborn Ph.D., Dianne > Dumanoski, > > and Myers Ph.D. The foreward is by Al Gore and the > book is > > published by PLUME, a division of Penguin. The book is about > endocrine problems > > and environemntal toxins. The authors propose what they call " the > endocrine > > disruption hypothesis " as the cause for autoimmune thyroid disease. > > > > Their main thesis is that dioxins, PCBs, and other pesticides, > herbicides, etc. > > disrupt and ultimately change the structure and function of human > hormonal > > processes. They focus on the Great Lakes region because of the > extensive > > chemical dumping in those lakes and subsequent problems quickly noted > in teh > > animal population. Their point is that we're being exposed to > environmental, > > toxin-laden estrogens that alter our natural balance of estrogens. > The > > enviornmental agents that humans are exposed to come from a wide > variety of > > sources: pesticides used on food products, antiboitics given to > animals, lawn > > pesticides, household cleaning products, all bleached paper products > (tampons, > > sanitary pads, paper towels and toilet papers, diapers, hard plastic > toys and > > bottles, mini-blinds, some shades, kleenex, the list is mind > numbing). The > > dioxins and other chemical components are stored in human fat > (they've been well > > documented in animal fat. Whales are so full of these dangerous > chemicals that > > when a dead whale is found in the sea, it's labeled as harzardous > waste and > > unsafe for humans to be near -- and it's because of the toxic waste > in its fat). > > > > According to the authors, this is happening to us. The book has been > glowingly > > reviewed by the New York Times, endorsed by Al Gore who calls Theo > Colburn the > > next Carson, and I've seen it mentioned in several > publications recently. > > > > The book talks about all aspects of the endocrine system and the > thyroid has a > > prominent place in their analysis. The authors believe this > > endocrine-disruption problem is primarily a disease caused by > environmental > > toxins. > > > > Another book, The Endometriosis Sourcebook (by Lou Ballweg > founder of the > > Endometriosis Association), has supporting articles about > reproductive/thyroid > > problems and the connections to dioxins. The Endometriosis > Association funded a > > pivotal study of monkeys who died of endometriosis after dioxin > exposure (I'm > > trying to find out what thyroid problems these monkeys had -- dioxin > exposure is > > a key trigger for thyroid problems according to Our Stolen Future). > > > > The Sourcebook recommnends that women with endocrine related problems > who want > > to avoid further exposure to estrogen-disrupting elements do the > following: > > > > 1. Avoid contaminated fish > > 2. Eat more veggies, grains, fruits -- the more animal fat you > consume, the > > more stored estrogen-disruptors you get > > 3. If you do eat meat, trim away the fat and cook foods in a way to > allow the > > fat to drain out > > 4. Eat organic as the best route > > 5. Check on pollutants in your water supply and invest in a home > purifier > > 6. Substitute cloth products for paper ones that have dioxin residue > > 7, Switch to organic cotton menstrual products > > 8. Find sae substitutes for chlorine bleaches and cleaning products > > 9. Use recycled paper and encourage that (the bleaching process for > most papers > > produces organochlorines that, again, contribute to > endocrine-disruption in > > humans) > > 10. There's more but I'll just include the final one that REALLY > disturbed me: > > the Endometriosis Association is asking -- not advising yet, -- but > asking women > > if we should be dumping our breast milk instead of breast feeding. > Recent > > studies have shown that breast milk is the most concentrated, > effective way to > > transmit PCBs, dioxins, and other estrogen-disrupting chemicals that > are stored > > in our body fat to our children. The estrogen disrupting chemicals > are also > > passed in utero, so I'm trying to keep some perspective about this. > The > > breastfeeding " community " believes that the benefits of breastmilk > antibodies > > outweighs the toxins; also, they ask what's the alternative to > nursing? Toxic > > plastic nipples? Genetically engineered formula? Currently, it's > impossible to > > find a soy formula wihtout genetically engineered soybeans in teh U.S. > > > > For those of you who've waded through this far, it seems logical that > nutrition > > would also be altered by exposure to toxins. Perhaps the two are > going hand in > > hand? Perhaps nutrient deficiencies predispose some of us to > developing these > > endocrine problems; I'm sure some people are exposed to a lot of > dioxins and > > don't get sick. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 1999 Report Share Posted December 13, 1999 Hi Eileen I undershand where you are coming from But I do believe vaccination is dumping alot of toxins into our systems. I was not aware of it until I had a gut feeling that I wasn't going to have my daughter for very long. I felt sick when it was time to give her the 6 month vaccine.I read into it and was shocked that it contained chemicals like murcury,aluminium and Formeldehyde (which is well known for causing cancer).I can not believe for one minute that it won't damage our immune system. I have also found that disease is a part of nature and it will run its course with or with out vaccines. I under stand why people do it but I also feel thatI should be able to make the informed decision. Others should be given all information and then be given the choice. apoll-@... wrote: original article:hyperthyroidism/?start=31 70 > Hello, I read about the suspicion of immunizations weakening the > immune system > and allowing in the autoimmune diseases: --thyroid and allergies. My > father's > side of the family (Irish, German) have the thyroid problems and > parkinsons's > and quite a bit alcoholism, if that matters. My mother's family has > blood pressure problems (Lithuanian) 1st generation. We six kids were > all immunized. I am the only one with thyroid problems and only 2 of us > have allergy/histamine problems. Blood pressure effects 4 of the > others. I am for immunizating because of the epidemic problematics. > Anyone who has studied history of these diseases knows they are not > gone, just dormant. > > I immunized my 3 kids with hesitation after reading 'encephalitis' > possibility. It's tough being the parent. Because of sickness and > suffering, it gives guilt for even bringing them into the world. > Eileen > > > para-@... wrote: > original article:hyperthyroidism/?start= 31 > 61 > > Hi > > I agree that nutrition has alot to do with it yes!! But I also believe > > that > > vaccination (Toxin coctail) is also a huge dump on our systems. I was > > fully vaccinated as a child and have read alot on the subject and > can't > > help but think that this also has had a huge affect on my health,as > > well as my 5 sisters. My mother's family has no R.A or Lupus or > > Diabeties or Thyroid problem (eccept for an aunt who has just been > > diagnosed at the age of 70). My father's family have none of these > > diseases. But 5 out of 6 children aged 32-42 are suffering quite > > badly,(all fully vaccinated). > > I also believe that vaccination is causing a weakness in our immune > > system. > > As for not breast feeding, I'm not sure that would be the wayto go > > either. > > There are so many reasons to breast feed,I have 2 children the first I > > couldnt breast feed(for many reasons). the second I fed till 10 months > > (she gave up on me). My first has numerous health problems and the > > second is healthy. I put my son on soy formula(10years ago)and he has > > so many alergies its not funny. > > The second has none. > > Science thinks it can do a better job than Mother Nature,but they sure > > have stuffed us up! > > > > Ali > > " mary petrie " <petri00-@...> wrote: > > original article:hyperthyroidism/?star t= > 31 > > 59 > > > Greetings All, > > > > > > I'm new to this list and am now mulling over issues and seeing > > connections that > > > are old to some of you. But made two observtions that I'd like > > to comment > > > on. > > > > > > The first, he notes that hyper and hypo problems may be part of the > > same > > > disease. I think he's right. The endocrinologist I saw at the Mayo > > Clinic said > > > that he prefers not to think of Graves or Hashimotos as distinct > > diseases, > > > because they're really different aspects of a single " disease " : > > autoimmune > > > thyroid disease. I think they use AITD to stand for this. He made > > this point > > > because I have antibodies for both Hashimotos and Graves, which I > > thought was > > > quite unusual. Instead, he said it's more common than people > > realize. He told > > > me that my antibody count and configuration would vary from month to > > month, year > > > to year, and that my symptoms (hyper or hypo) would vary > accordingly. > > > > > > > > There's a web site (http://www.repro.med.net) from the medical > school > > at Chicago > > > University that featured an M.D. named Beer who is a fertility > > specialist. He > > > speculates that one day thyroid problems will be recognized as one > > part of a > > > more complex endocrine autoimmunity -- he goes beyond calling > > Graves/Hashimotos > > > autoimmune thyroid disease, to autoimmune endocrine disease. I > found > > this > > > interesting in light of all the other endocrine problems I've heard > > about in > > > other women and have moderately experienced myself since my > diagnosis. > > > > > > The second point is 's belief that hypo and hyperthyroidism are > > caused by > > > nutrient deficiencies. Again, I would agree but have some " food " > for > > thought on > > > this issue and a question. Could the nutritional deficiencies be > > related to the > > > consumption or absorbtion of toxins? I'm wondering, , what the > > relationship > > > between nutrient deficiencies and toxins is, especially in light of > > the > > > following info I thought I'd share. > > > > > > Perhas many of you are familiar with " Our Stolen Future: Are We > > Threatening Our > > > Fertiltiy, Intelligence, and Survival? " by Theo Colborn Ph.D., > Dianne > > Dumanoski, > > > and Myers Ph.D. The foreward is by Al Gore and the > > book is > > > published by PLUME, a division of Penguin. The book is about > > endocrine problems > > > and environemntal toxins. The authors propose what they call " the > > endocrine > > > disruption hypothesis " as the cause for autoimmune thyroid disease. > > > > > > Their main thesis is that dioxins, PCBs, and other pesticides, > > herbicides, etc. > > > disrupt and ultimately change the structure and function of human > > hormonal > > > processes. They focus on the Great Lakes region because of the > > extensive > > > chemical dumping in those lakes and subsequent problems quickly > noted > > in teh > > > animal population. Their point is that we're being exposed to > > environmental, > > > toxin-laden estrogens that alter our natural balance of estrogens. > > The > > > enviornmental agents that humans are exposed to come from a wide > > variety of > > > sources: pesticides used on food products, antiboitics given to > > animals, lawn > > > pesticides, household cleaning products, all bleached paper products > > (tampons, > > > sanitary pads, paper towels and toilet papers, diapers, hard plastic > > toys and > > > bottles, mini-blinds, some shades, kleenex, the list is mind > > numbing). The > > > dioxins and other chemical components are stored in human fat > > (they've been well > > > documented in animal fat. Whales are so full of these dangerous > > chemicals that > > > when a dead whale is found in the sea, it's labeled as harzardous > > waste and > > > unsafe for humans to be near -- and it's because of the toxic waste > > in its fat). > > > > > > According to the authors, this is happening to us. The book has > been > > glowingly > > > reviewed by the New York Times, endorsed by Al Gore who calls Theo > > Colburn the > > > next Carson, and I've seen it mentioned in several > > publications recently. > > > > > > The book talks about all aspects of the endocrine system and the > > thyroid has a > > > prominent place in their analysis. The authors believe this > > > endocrine-disruption problem is primarily a disease caused by > > environmental > > > toxins. > > > > > > Another book, The Endometriosis Sourcebook (by Lou Ballweg > > founder of the > > > Endometriosis Association), has supporting articles about > > reproductive/thyroid > > > problems and the connections to dioxins. The Endometriosis > > Association funded a > > > pivotal study of monkeys who died of endometriosis after dioxin > > exposure (I'm > > > trying to find out what thyroid problems these monkeys had -- dioxin > > exposure is > > > a key trigger for thyroid problems according to Our Stolen Future). > > > > > > The Sourcebook recommnends that women with endocrine related > problems > > who want > > > to avoid further exposure to estrogen-disrupting elements do the > > following: > > > > > > 1. Avoid contaminated fish > > > 2. Eat more veggies, grains, fruits -- the more animal fat you > > consume, the > > > more stored estrogen-disruptors you get > > > 3. If you do eat meat, trim away the fat and cook foods in a way to > > allow the > > > fat to drain out > > > 4. Eat organic as the best route > > > 5. Check on pollutants in your water supply and invest in a home > > purifier > > > 6. Substitute cloth products for paper ones that have dioxin > residue > > > 7, Switch to organic cotton menstrual products > > > 8. Find sae substitutes for chlorine bleaches and cleaning products > > > 9. Use recycled paper and encourage that (the bleaching process for > > most papers > > > produces organochlorines that, again, contribute to > > endocrine-disruption in > > > humans) > > > 10. There's more but I'll just include the final one that REALLY > > disturbed me: > > > the Endometriosis Association is asking -- not advising yet, -- but > > asking women > > > if we should be dumping our breast milk instead of breast feeding. > > Recent > > > studies have shown that breast milk is the most concentrated, > > effective way to > > > transmit PCBs, dioxins, and other estrogen-disrupting chemicals that > > are stored > > > in our body fat to our children. The estrogen disrupting chemicals > > are also > > > passed in utero, so I'm trying to keep some perspective about this. > > The > > > breastfeeding " community " believes that the benefits of breastmilk > > antibodies > > > outweighs the toxins; also, they ask what's the alternative to > > nursing? Toxic > > > plastic nipples? Genetically engineered formula? Currently, it's > > impossible to > > > find a soy formula wihtout genetically engineered soybeans in teh > U.S. > > > > > > For those of you who've waded through this far, it seems logical > that > > nutrition > > > would also be altered by exposure to toxins. Perhaps the two are > > going hand in > > > hand? Perhaps nutrient deficiencies predispose some of us to > > developing these > > > endocrine problems; I'm sure some people are exposed to a lot of > > dioxins and > > > don't get sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 1999 Report Share Posted December 14, 1999 Well I dont know how you get around immunizations. My kids would not have been allowed into school --- without proof of the shots. --kathleen In a message dated 12/13/99 6:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, parad@... writes: << Subj: Re: Immunizations? Date: 12/13/99 6:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time From: parad@... Reply-to: hyperthyroidismegroups hyperthyroidismeGroups Hi Eileen I undershand where you are coming from But I do believe vaccination is dumping alot of toxins into our systems. I was not aware of it until I had a gut feeling that I wasn't going to have my daughter for very long. I felt sick when it was time to give her the 6 month vaccine.I read into it and was shocked that it contained chemicals like murcury,aluminium and Formeldehyde (which is well known for causing cancer).I can not believe for one minute that it won't damage our immune system. I have also found that disease is a part of nature and it will run its course with or with out vaccines. I under stand why people do it but I also feel thatI should be able to make the informed decision. Others should be given all information and then be given the choice. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 1999 Report Share Posted December 14, 1999 Greetings, People interested in issues surrounding immunizations should contact the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC). NVIC is the oldest non-profit vaccine information and freedom advocacy group in the country. Their aim is to educate people on all aspects of vaccines and to work with Congress to insure that people are allowed to make fully informed choices on vaccines. They oppose mandatory immunizations. Many states have laws mandating that children MUST be vaccinated in order to attend school. Fortunately, my state allows an " objector " status, which I've chosen for one of my children who had an unusual reaction to her first set of shots. Had I not been aware of the potential reactions and risks of future shots, I shudder to think what would have happened to her. As it is, she's absolutely the picture of health, but after suffering a seizure after her first vaccination, she will never receive another. My older child, on the other hand, is fully vaccinated. It's not a black and white issue as we all know the dangers of these diseases, but an issue we must think carefully about. There's a new book out promoting the theory that AIDS is caused by early trials of the polio vaccine in Africa. Interestingly, this book made the NYTimes Book Review and has been discussed just as the NVIC is gearing up to fight against a mandatory AIDS vaccine for children. Research is leading in the direction of some sort of AIDS immunization (according to the NVIC) and they're afriad it will be made mandatory. For those of us concerned about the implications that vaccines have for our immune systems and our children's immune systems, the NVIC is the best place to go for information on laws regulating shots and possible adverse effects. The full address/info: NVIC 512 Maple Ave. #206 Vienna VA 22180 phone: 703-938-0342 Responding to the message of <0.1c842423.2587b19d@...> from hyperthyroidismegroups: > > > Well I dont know how you get around immunizations. My kids would not have > been allowed into school --- without proof of the shots. > > --kathleen > > > In a message dated 12/13/99 6:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > parad@... writes: > > << Subj: Re: Immunizations? > Date: 12/13/99 6:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: parad@... > Reply-to: hyperthyroidismegroups > hyperthyroidismeGroups > > > Hi Eileen > I undershand where you are coming from But I do believe > vaccination is dumping alot of toxins into our systems. I was not aware > of > it until I had a gut feeling that I wasn't going to have my daughter > for very long. I felt sick when it was time to give her the 6 month > vaccine.I read into > it and was shocked that it contained chemicals like murcury,aluminium > and > Formeldehyde (which is well known for causing cancer).I can not believe > for one minute that it won't damage our immune system. > I have also found that disease is a part of nature and it will run its > course > with or with out vaccines. I under stand why people do it but I also > feel thatI should be able to make the informed decision. Others should > be given all information and then be given the choice. > > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get 75% Off Our Best Selling Health and Wellness Books! > SelfCare.com has everything you need to take care of you and your family, > plus spend $40 or more and your shipping is free! > http://clickhere./click/1824 > > > > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- vote?listname=hyperthyroidism & m=1 > > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 1999 Report Share Posted December 15, 1999 Dear List Friends... I may have mentioned this before... but will again after reading this thread on immunizations. Last winter..... Jennings on ABC news did a piece on a female M.D. researcher at Baylor University in Texas. On that particular day this doctor released a long term study she had been working on concerning vaccinations. The data pointed out that certain batches of vaccine from the 60's had been contaminated with some particular monkey virus. Her study was looking at the long term effects. At the moment I said to myself..... WOW..this is a big story...... I bet it will come across in my Associated Press Newsgroup this evening and I will get details. Well it didn't!! I began searching and watching but nothing about this women's research ever surfaced again. One has to conclude the story was killed. Since the 1950's there has been a scientist named Hannah Krueger who has studied this very same theory. Her daughter took gravely ill following a vaccine and Hanna then devoted her life to finding the cure. Hanna passed away a few years ago but her Institute still thrives and is run by her family in Boulder, CO. Hanna's work has focused on vibrational medicines. Vibrational medicines are different from other alternative medicines but it's interesting.... getting medical and scientific response. It was a scientist here in my hometown who belongs to my Noetic Scientist group who persuaded me to check out vibrational medicines. Also...see a doctor named Gerber who wrote a book called Vibrational Medicines. Interesting stuff. Anyway. I did take Hanna's vaccine remedy. It was reasonable expenses wise and I thought.....it will not hurt. Primarily,my issues are genetic ( I got a BAD BAD gene....lol..)..so my Hashimotos' is a toss up....immune issue or indirect result of genetic issue....presenting same symptoms as Hashimotos.... lots of folks with my disease have hypothyroidism.. and some not..... as my doctor has carefully pointed out to me....no studies have been conducted to ever sort this out...... If folks want more information contact me directly or invest in Gerber's book...Vibrational Medicines. L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 1999 Report Share Posted December 15, 1999 Ali, You present some very powerful arguments. Here, everyone is pushing for flu-shots and I had one about 5 years ago. I was NEVER so sick as that winter season! On top of that I had to work 2 jobs and I must say I have still not recovered my total health. Coincidence? I think not... I will NEVER get another flu-shot. You know they never say what vaccines are made of. And we are hardly ever tested for allergies. My husband, luckily, was tested as a child and found out he was allergic to vaccines that are made from eggs! He can eat eggs but it is something in the vaccine -- such as penicillin. Who knows what tiny ingredient is in a vaccine that can cause damage to us? Take Care and I hope you are safe from the bad weather you are having down-under. --Kathleen In a message dated 12/15/99 4:45:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, parad@... writes: << Kathleen In Australia we still have the choice if we vaccinate or not. However we must take our children out of school if there is an outbreak of any of the diseases. The government here are trying to make us vaccinate but can object. W will have to have councelling by a doctor and sign a form. There is another good book out on the subject by Dr Vera Schribner, her and her husband were the research scientists that invented the monitor that saves babies from SIDS. They noticed that alot of babies had stoped breathing after regular vaccines were given. She couldn't ignor the findings from this research and followed it up. " Vaccination Roulette " by Dr Schribner The book has peoples stories and other information that will shock. I know a family that had a normaltalking,walking,beautiful 2 year old girl. She was due for her shots and had a bad rash,she seeked advice from the doctor and he said it was fine to give it to her. She wasn't happy with his answer and seeked a second oppinion that doctor also said it would be fine,the reaction was terrible,she was in hospital for months nobody knew why she took her clothes off,wouldn't talk and couldn't walk anymore. She was diagnosed with autism. It was clear to everyone what caused it. My sister and 2 sons (all fully vaccinated) caught german measles while she was pregnant. Herlittle boy maltiple birth defects,partial deafness and sight impairment along with cerebral palsy. I did not protect at all. pointed out the book about AIDS relation to Polio vaccine. I have read about this aswell, I have also seen a documentry on this sub.about the . The live monkey virus was injected into humans and as a result sv40 has caused many irreversibe effects on the reciever and also their children. It has caused a particular brain tumor and it has also caused a rare cancer of the lungs.It has weakened or changed something in their biological make up that can not be reversed. I have read many articles on the Gulf War Syndrome, some soldiers were given up to 20 shots in one go before leaving to serve their country. Many of these vaccines were experiments. Now there are thousands of returned soldiers that have served their country and also were guinea pigs, they have numerous health problems and it is blamed on what? Ali " mary petrie " <petri00-@...> wrote: >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 1999 Report Share Posted December 15, 1999 Kathleen In Australia we still have the choice if we vaccinate or not. However we must take our children out of school if there is an outbreak of any of the diseases. The government here are trying to make us vaccinate but can object. W will have to have councelling by a doctor and sign a form. There is another good book out on the subject by Dr Vera Schribner, her and her husband were the research scientists that invented the monitor that saves babies from SIDS. They noticed that alot of babies had stoped breathing after regular vaccines were given. She couldn't ignor the findings from this research and followed it up. " Vaccination Roulette " by Dr Schribner The book has peoples stories and other information that will shock. I know a family that had a normaltalking,walking,beautiful 2 year old girl. She was due for her shots and had a bad rash,she seeked advice from the doctor and he said it was fine to give it to her. She wasn't happy with his answer and seeked a second oppinion that doctor also said it would be fine,the reaction was terrible,she was in hospital for months nobody knew why she took her clothes off,wouldn't talk and couldn't walk anymore. She was diagnosed with autism. It was clear to everyone what caused it. My sister and 2 sons (all fully vaccinated) caught german measles while she was pregnant. Herlittle boy maltiple birth defects,partial deafness and sight impairment along with cerebral palsy. I did not protect at all. pointed out the book about AIDS relation to Polio vaccine. I have read about this aswell, I have also seen a documentry on this sub.about the . The live monkey virus was injected into humans and as a result sv40 has caused many irreversibe effects on the reciever and also their children. It has caused a particular brain tumor and it has also caused a rare cancer of the lungs.It has weakened or changed something in their biological make up that can not be reversed. I have read many articles on the Gulf War Syndrome, some soldiers were given up to 20 shots in one go before leaving to serve their country. Many of these vaccines were experiments. Now there are thousands of returned soldiers that have served their country and also were guinea pigs, they have numerous health problems and it is blamed on what? Ali " mary petrie " <petri00-@...> wrote: original article:hyperthyroidism/?start=31 76 > Greetings, > > People interested in issues surrounding immunizations should contact the > National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC). > > NVIC is the oldest non-profit vaccine information and freedom advocacy group in > the country. Their aim is to educate people on all aspects of vaccines and to > work with Congress to insure that people are allowed to make fully informed > choices on vaccines. They oppose mandatory immunizations. > > Many states have laws mandating that children MUST be vaccinated in order to > attend school. Fortunately, my state allows an " objector " status, which I've > chosen for one of my children who had an unusual reaction to her first set of > shots. Had I not been aware of the potential reactions and risks of future > shots, I shudder to think what would have happened to her. As it is, she's > absolutely the picture of health, but after suffering a seizure after her first > vaccination, she will never receive another. My older child, on the other hand, > is fully vaccinated. It's not a black and white issue as we all know the > dangers of these diseases, but an issue we must think carefully about. > > There's a new book out promoting the theory that AIDS is caused by early trials > of the polio vaccine in Africa. Interestingly, this book made the NYTimes Book > Review and has been discussed just as the NVIC is gearing up to fight against a > mandatory AIDS vaccine for children. Research is leading in the direction of > some sort of AIDS immunization (according to the NVIC) and they're afriad it > will be made mandatory. > > For those of us concerned about the implications that vaccines have for our > immune systems and our children's immune systems, the NVIC is the best place to > go for information on laws regulating shots and possible adverse effects. > > The full address/info: NVIC 512 Maple Ave. #206 Vienna VA 22180 phone: > 703-938-0342 > > > > > Responding to the message of <0.1c842423.2587b19d@...> > from hyperthyroidismegroups: > > > > > > Well I dont know how you get around immunizations. My kids would not have > > been allowed into school --- without proof of the shots. > > > > --kathleen > > > > > > In a message dated 12/13/99 6:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > parad@... writes: > > > > << Subj: Re: Immunizations? > > Date: 12/13/99 6:32:59 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From: parad@... > > Reply-to: hyperthyroidismegroups > > hyperthyroidismeGroups > > > > > > Hi Eileen > > I undershand where you are coming from But I do believe > > vaccination is dumping alot of toxins into our systems. I was not aware > > of > > it until I had a gut feeling that I wasn't going to have my daughter > > for very long. I felt sick when it was time to give her the 6 month > > vaccine.I read into > > it and was shocked that it contained chemicals like murcury,aluminium > > and > > Formeldehyde (which is well known for causing cancer).I can not believe > > for one minute that it won't damage our immune system. > > I have also found that disease is a part of nature and it will run its > > course > > with or with out vaccines. I under stand why people do it but I also > > feel thatI should be able to make the informed decision. Others should > > be given all information and then be given the choice. > > > > > > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 1999 Report Share Posted December 15, 1999 Kathleen I have seen alot of people get ill after their shots particually the flu shots. I have to shake my head when Newspaper headlines read " Killer Flu Heading our way. Get your Flu shot NOW " I alway make the coment to myself " yea via a needle " and it I can never understand why people can't see it. If a person comes back from OS where there has been the so called killer flu, they would only risk giving it to a small amount of people. The vaccine on the other hand is full of the virus(live or dead) but this is injected into people all over the country who, if like you get the flu can pass it on as well. The reason that did not hear about this ladies findings might have something to do with being kept quiet. Think of how many people just in the U.S that had those shots,what panic it would cause if it was on the news,how would the government compensate all those people. I am sure you guys are sick of this subject by now so I will drop it. Thanks for all the in put and food for thought for others. Ali.. ahthkat-@... wrote: original article:hyperthyroidism/?start=31 81 > Ali, > > You present some very powerful arguments. > > Here, everyone is pushing for flu-shots and I had one about 5 years ago. > I was NEVER so sick as that winter season! On top of that I had to work 2 > jobs and I must say I have still not recovered my total health. Coincidence? > I think not... I will NEVER get another flu-shot. > > You know they never say what vaccines are made of. And we are hardly ever > tested for allergies. My husband, luckily, was tested as a child and found > out he was allergic to vaccines that are made from eggs! He can eat eggs but > it is something in the vaccine -- such as penicillin. Who knows what tiny > ingredient is in a vaccine that can cause damage to us? > > Take Care and I hope you are safe from the bad weather you are having > down-under. > > --Kathleen > > > In a message dated 12/15/99 4:45:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > parad@... writes: > > << Kathleen > In Australia we still have the choice if we vaccinate or not. > However > we must take our children out of school if there is an outbreak of any > of the > diseases. The government here are trying to make us vaccinate but can > object. > W will have to have councelling by a doctor and sign a form. > There is another good book out on the subject by Dr Vera Schribner, her > and her husband were the research scientists that invented the monitor > that saves babies from SIDS. They noticed that alot of babies had > stoped breathing after regular vaccines were given. She couldn't ignor > the findings from this research and followed it up. " Vaccination > Roulette " by Dr Schribner > The book has peoples stories and other information that will shock. > I know a family that had a normaltalking,walking,beautiful 2 year old > girl. She was due for her shots and had a bad rash,she seeked advice > from the doctor and he said it was fine to give it to her. She wasn't > happy with his answer and seeked a second oppinion > that doctor also said it would be fine,the reaction was terrible,she > was in hospital for months nobody knew why she took her clothes > off,wouldn't talk and couldn't walk anymore. She was diagnosed with > autism. It was clear to everyone what caused it. > My sister and 2 sons (all fully vaccinated) caught german measles while > she was pregnant. Herlittle boy maltiple birth defects,partial deafness > and sight impairment along with cerebral palsy. I did not protect at > all. > > pointed out the book about AIDS relation to Polio vaccine. I have > read about this aswell, I have also seen a documentry on this sub.about > the . The live monkey virus was injected into humans and as a result > sv40 has caused many irreversibe effects on the reciever and also their > children. It has caused a particular brain tumor and > it has also caused a rare cancer of the lungs.It has weakened or > changed something in their biological make up that can not be reversed. > I have read many articles on the Gulf War Syndrome, some soldiers were > given up to 20 shots in one go before leaving to serve their country. > Many of these vaccines were experiments. Now there are thousands of > returned soldiers that have > served their country and also were guinea pigs, they have numerous > health problems and it is blamed on what? > > Ali > > " mary petrie " <petri00-@...> wrote: >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2000 Report Share Posted January 2, 2000 > People interested in issues surrounding immunizations should contact the > National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC). > > For those of us concerned about the implications that vaccines have for our > immune systems and our children's immune systems, the NVIC is the best place to > go for information on laws regulating shots and possible adverse effects. > > The full address/info: NVIC 512 Maple Ave. #206 Vienna VA 22180 phone: > 703-938-0342 Also online at: http://www.909shot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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