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Hi Everyone!

We now have 23 members in our group and it is growing fast. Just today I

sent out 7 invitations to people who have written to me for information. I

received an email yesterday from a woman in Brazil who may be joining our

group. There are over 50 outstanding invitations, and I'm sure some of the

recipients didn't understand what it was all about, so I may have to write a

cover letter to them.

Today was a bizarre day for me and I think the events may be of interest to

you so I'll tell you the story. My wife and I went for a bike ride from

Malibu to Hermosa Beach which is about 40 miles round trip. I raced for a

while against a guy who was about half my age and beat him (that's what I like

to do on the bike path). After we ate lunch on a park bench, I forgot my

fanny pack which contained my wallet (with $600), credit cards, drivers

license,my cell phone, etc. Half an hour later, I realized I'd left it and

panicked! I raced at top speed about 6 miles back (and was pleased that my

heart was perfectly healthy!!), but I was too late. The pack was gone. After

going to the police and calling the credit card companies, we got back to the

car and drove home (about 40 miles from Hermosa). When I opened the mailbox I

was totally surprised because there was the fanny pack with everything except

the money. Very bizarre--someone felt guilty enough to drive a long way! Now

I expect in a few years, that I'll get the money in the mailbox with a note

saying " I couldn't live with the guilt any longer.... "

But then things got more bizarre. I got one letter from someone who saw my

letter in Natural Health. A woman from Sedona, Arizona wrote that her husband

had hyperthyroidism and the doctors couldn't do anything for him. They had

tried to email me but couldn't get through. They were both vegetarians and

didn't drink or smoke. I was thinking that this was typical--nearly everyone

who gets hyperthyroidism is primarily vegetarian--but then I looked at the

names and recognized them as friends-- a couple who had started the first

health food store in my area and who had sold out 15 years ago to retire. I

had been their first customer and they literally sold me with the store. I

called them and had a good talk. The funny thing is that if they had

successfully emailed me, I never would have known that it was them. It was a

bizarre but enjoyable (and expensive) day! Life is strange!

Anyhow, I am very glad to welcome all the new members and ask everyone to be

a little patient at the beginning. As large numbers of people join each day,

I feel obligated to repeat some information (particularly the important parts)

in each of the first few letters so that everyone gets the whole story.

There is supposed to be an archive ( a log of all the letters) so that new

members can read up on everything to date so that they will understand what is

going on. I haven't been able to find and access that yet, but I understand

that you need your password to do that. Does everyone else understand how to

access the archive? Please let me know if you don't know and I'll find out.

Special thanks go to ValNFla who introduced me to the Findmail Egroups and

who helped me to set it up! to Val !

I get quite a few letters from people who tell me that their doctor is

telling them that it's time to get their RAI (radioactive iodine treatment)--a

procedure that destroys the thyroid gland with radioactive iodine. I get

really upset when I read these letters and when I email back to them, I'm

practically screaming, " DON'T, DON'T, DON'T EVEN CONSIDER IT!!!!!! " I feel

that it is so important for people to avoid this permanent damage, especially

now that I am totally convinced that hyperthyroidism is a mineral deficiency

disease that is so easily cured by taking zinc, copper, kelp, and trace

elements.

I do my very best to convince them not to do this and to have some patience

and try the minerals for a while (because I know they will recover and never

even consider the RAI). However, sometimes I think I need help. Several

people have written to me who had the RAI and who seriously regret it now and

many others have just said no to the doctors and successfully gone years

without ever taking that irreversible step. If any of you could please write

imploring and convincing letters to our group at

hyperthyroidismegroups

I really think it would be beneficial. Please send in your stories.

Also, there is a bulletin board at keyword " Better Health " ,(then: bulletin

boards, hormone and endocrine disorders, hyperthyroidism). It seems that many

of the people on this bulletin board believe in the traditional allopathic

medical approach (of being a life-long patient). There are a lot of people who

are suffering or who have teenage daughters who are suffering from

hyperthyroidism and who have very sad stories to tell. I have posted

numerous letters under the title " Cure for Hyperthyroidism " in my effort to

help these people, but many of them are just not open to the idea that it

could be a deficiency disease. I really appreciate several of you who have

posted positive letters about my ideas and about the positive benefits you

have been feeling from taking the minerals. I get a little frustrated when

people write a letter asking what should they do, but I am trying to

understand the situation from their viewpoint. I think that anyone who is

improving from taking the minerals should take the time to write a post to

that board so that eventually more of those people can be persuaded to try

this approach. Thanks.

I am still debating with myself exactly what to recommend to people in

regards to how much zinc and copper to take. I think these two minerals are

the keys and that together they regulate the rate at which the thyroid

produces its hormones. It seems that zinc acts like the accelerator and

copper the brake, but as in a car, both are necessary for the proper

functioning of the thyroid. Several books have indicated that 8:1 is the

optimum zinc to copper ratio. It seems that if you have hyperthyroidism and

are more deficient in copper than zinc, that it would make sense to take a

lower ratio, such as 4:1 (for example 32 mg of zinc, and 8 mg of copper).

When the thyroid becomes normal, then switch to 8:1.

So far, however, I am the only person to completely recover by taking these

minerals, and for most of my recovery period, I was taking 100 mg of zinc

daily and 6 mg of copper. That's a ratio of 16:1. Obviously, the ratio is

not extremely critical, but I'm wondering if I had been taking more copper and

less zinc, would I have recovered faster?

For the last three weeks, I have been taking 12 mg of copper a day which is

double what I was taking. I feel better than ever and feel that it certainly

is not too much copper (although it might be if I take that much for a long

time).

I think the important thing for people to realize is that 4 mg a day is the

absolute minimum amount to recover from a deficiency (2 mg is what a healthy

person needs), and 12 mg is safe (if there is a problem, I'll feel it before

anyone else).

Remember that the zinc is very important also. Do not take zinc alone (it

will depress your copper level fast). If you are taking 6-12 mg of copper a

day, I would think 50 mg of zinc would be good. I think the zinc aspartate,

citrate, and picolinate supplements are well absorbed. Also, be aware that

some calcium/magnesium supplements contain zinc so don't take them without

plenty of copper.

Some people have told me they've been taking a multiple vitamin-mineral for

many months and were not getting better, and sometime getting worse. The

brand Centrum has popped up a couple of times from people who were not

improving. I feel that if you are taking something, you should feel benefits

quite soon--in 2-14 days. If you don't feel an improvement, try another

supplement.

I have never gotten good benefits from inexpensive vitamins or minerals

purchased from drug stores or Trader Joe type stores. I don't know why, but

quality may be the problem. When it comes to my health, I always go for the

best in the health food stores. Even then I always buy a small bottle first

and try it. If I don't feel results in a short time, I try another brand or

type.

There's another thing about supplements that I've observed over the years.

Many times when I've taken a new supplement, I've felt bad after taking it and

discontinued it. I now believe that sometimes when you are really deficient

in a nutrient it will make you feel sick at first. Maybe the reason for this

is that your body goes into a cleansing that it couldn't perform without that

nutrient. I don't understand it, but now I know that if some nutrient makes

me sick, then I probably am either very deficient in it or deficient in its

antagonist (the other half of the mineral pair).

As an illustration of the antagonist, if you are hyperthyroidic and you take

calcium without magnesium, you will get worse (rapid heart beat), because it's

the magnesium that your heart needs. That's why it's a good idea to stay away

from dairy products until you get your copper built up. (A little footnote

here: someone was using the Nutrition Almanac and saw that a pint of whole

milk has .5 mg of copper -- this is a misprint!! Don't try to get copper from

dairy products!

We need to hear your stories! If anyone is experiencing benefits from taking

the minerals recommended or has some interesting things which occurred or are

happening now, or has something they don't understand, let's send it in.

Stories, questions, etc--let's hear them!

Hope to hear from you all soon!

Your friend,

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[Guest guest]

I fully agree with you that RAI is barbaric! And there are many people who

are not willing to be fully responsible for their well being. They would

prefer to leave it in the hands of a physician who has no stake in their

getting well...in fact, it is cruel but accurate to say that the medical

profession has more stake in our not being well since it keeps them in

business. I think doctors are good people for the most part, but they are

not miracle workers or have all the answers to all of our medical questions.

It is up to us to become informed (I have read 4 books on the Thyroid) and

make intelligent decisions. Your " cure " is as much due to your powerful

intention to " lick this thing " as to the minerals you are taking. It will be

wonderful, however, if you can prove to others that this is worth trying. I

am your full partner in this endeavor. Esther

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jon and other Folk,

I have a mostly hypothyroid condition.

I also had what I believe was an RAI treatment several decades ago. Then

was put on Synthroid for six months. When at the six month check-up I

revealed that I slept a lot, the doctor said that was not suppose to

happen. Anyway, I was assured that I would " blow up like a pig in fifteen

years " and to know that would be a clear sign that my thyroid was dying

and I would have to go on Synthroid forever after. I was very upset.

I had just thought they were removing a polyp on my thyroid.

The " blowing up like a pig " did occur and I put on an enormous amount of

weight very rapidly. Like 100 lbs. It was unbelievable. I was mostly

vegetarian and food was not something all that important to me. So, I knew

it must be the thyroid, but the tests did not reveal it as such.

I always thought the RAI ALWAYS kills the thyroid.

Since the thyroid tests continued to be negative, but I continued to

exhibit hyper and hypo symptoms, I went the alternative route and tried to

bring back my thyroid through herbs. The condition, seemed to have

compromised my entire endocrine system, and well, at this point I am being

treated for kidneys, almost lost one, spleen and thyroid---all with

alternative medicine.

I have just spent a decade experimenting with vitamins, herbs, fasts,

acupuncture. It has been a very slow process, and I am still in the midst

of it, but there has been progress.

I just started some minerals suggested in his email last week.

I am hoping for full thyroid health recovery despite the RAI of many years

ago. Is this a foolish dream?

Joyce in Vermont

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On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 BU007@... wrote:

> Hi Everyone!

> We now have 23 members in our group and it is growing fast. Just today I

> sent out 7 invitations to people who have written to me for information. I

> received an email yesterday from a woman in Brazil who may be joining our

> group. There are over 50 outstanding invitations, and I'm sure some of the

> recipients didn't understand what it was all about, so I may have to write a

> cover letter to them.

> Today was a bizarre day for me and I think the events may be of interest to

> you so I'll tell you the story. My wife and I went for a bike ride from

> Malibu to Hermosa Beach which is about 40 miles round trip. I raced for a

> while against a guy who was about half my age and beat him (that's what I like

> to do on the bike path). After we ate lunch on a park bench, I forgot my

> fanny pack which contained my wallet (with $600), credit cards, drivers

> license,my cell phone, etc. Half an hour later, I realized I'd left it and

> panicked! I raced at top speed about 6 miles back (and was pleased that my

> heart was perfectly healthy!!), but I was too late. The pack was gone. After

> going to the police and calling the credit card companies, we got back to the

> car and drove home (about 40 miles from Hermosa). When I opened the mailbox I

> was totally surprised because there was the fanny pack with everything except

> the money. Very bizarre--someone felt guilty enough to drive a long way! Now

> I expect in a few years, that I'll get the money in the mailbox with a note

> saying " I couldn't live with the guilt any longer.... "

> But then things got more bizarre. I got one letter from someone who saw my

> letter in Natural Health. A woman from Sedona, Arizona wrote that her husband

> had hyperthyroidism and the doctors couldn't do anything for him. They had

> tried to email me but couldn't get through. They were both vegetarians and

> didn't drink or smoke. I was thinking that this was typical--nearly everyone

> who gets hyperthyroidism is primarily vegetarian--but then I looked at the

> names and recognized them as friends-- a couple who had started the first

> health food store in my area and who had sold out 15 years ago to retire. I

> had been their first customer and they literally sold me with the store. I

> called them and had a good talk. The funny thing is that if they had

> successfully emailed me, I never would have known that it was them. It was a

> bizarre but enjoyable (and expensive) day! Life is strange!

> Anyhow, I am very glad to welcome all the new members and ask everyone to be

> a little patient at the beginning. As large numbers of people join each day,

> I feel obligated to repeat some information (particularly the important parts)

> in each of the first few letters so that everyone gets the whole story.

> There is supposed to be an archive ( a log of all the letters) so that new

> members can read up on everything to date so that they will understand what is

> going on. I haven't been able to find and access that yet, but I understand

> that you need your password to do that. Does everyone else understand how to

> access the archive? Please let me know if you don't know and I'll find out.

> Special thanks go to ValNFla who introduced me to the Findmail Egroups and

> who helped me to set it up! to Val !

> I get quite a few letters from people who tell me that their doctor is

> telling them that it's time to get their RAI (radioactive iodine treatment)--a

> procedure that destroys the thyroid gland with radioactive iodine. I get

> really upset when I read these letters and when I email back to them, I'm

> practically screaming, " DON'T, DON'T, DON'T EVEN CONSIDER IT!!!!!! " I feel

> that it is so important for people to avoid this permanent damage, especially

> now that I am totally convinced that hyperthyroidism is a mineral deficiency

> disease that is so easily cured by taking zinc, copper, kelp, and trace

> elements.

> I do my very best to convince them not to do this and to have some patience

> and try the minerals for a while (because I know they will recover and never

> even consider the RAI). However, sometimes I think I need help. Several

> people have written to me who had the RAI and who seriously regret it now and

> many others have just said no to the doctors and successfully gone years

> without ever taking that irreversible step. If any of you could please write

> imploring and convincing letters to our group at

> hyperthyroidismegroups

> I really think it would be beneficial. Please send in your stories.

> Also, there is a bulletin board at keyword " Better Health " ,(then: bulletin

> boards, hormone and endocrine disorders, hyperthyroidism). It seems that many

> of the people on this bulletin board believe in the traditional allopathic

> medical approach (of being a life-long patient). There are a lot of people who

> are suffering or who have teenage daughters who are suffering from

> hyperthyroidism and who have very sad stories to tell. I have posted

> numerous letters under the title " Cure for Hyperthyroidism " in my effort to

> help these people, but many of them are just not open to the idea that it

> could be a deficiency disease. I really appreciate several of you who have

> posted positive letters about my ideas and about the positive benefits you

> have been feeling from taking the minerals. I get a little frustrated when

> people write a letter asking what should they do, but I am trying to

> understand the situation from their viewpoint. I think that anyone who is

> improving from taking the minerals should take the time to write a post to

> that board so that eventually more of those people can be persuaded to try

> this approach. Thanks.

> I am still debating with myself exactly what to recommend to people in

> regards to how much zinc and copper to take. I think these two minerals are

> the keys and that together they regulate the rate at which the thyroid

> produces its hormones. It seems that zinc acts like the accelerator and

> copper the brake, but as in a car, both are necessary for the proper

> functioning of the thyroid. Several books have indicated that 8:1 is the

> optimum zinc to copper ratio. It seems that if you have hyperthyroidism and

> are more deficient in copper than zinc, that it would make sense to take a

> lower ratio, such as 4:1 (for example 32 mg of zinc, and 8 mg of copper).

> When the thyroid becomes normal, then switch to 8:1.

> So far, however, I am the only person to completely recover by taking these

> minerals, and for most of my recovery period, I was taking 100 mg of zinc

> daily and 6 mg of copper. That's a ratio of 16:1. Obviously, the ratio is

> not extremely critical, but I'm wondering if I had been taking more copper and

> less zinc, would I have recovered faster?

> For the last three weeks, I have been taking 12 mg of copper a day which is

> double what I was taking. I feel better than ever and feel that it certainly

> is not too much copper (although it might be if I take that much for a long

> time).

> I think the important thing for people to realize is that 4 mg a day is the

> absolute minimum amount to recover from a deficiency (2 mg is what a healthy

> person needs), and 12 mg is safe (if there is a problem, I'll feel it before

> anyone else).

> Remember that the zinc is very important also. Do not take zinc alone (it

> will depress your copper level fast). If you are taking 6-12 mg of copper a

> day, I would think 50 mg of zinc would be good. I think the zinc aspartate,

> citrate, and picolinate supplements are well absorbed. Also, be aware that

> some calcium/magnesium supplements contain zinc so don't take them without

> plenty of copper.

> Some people have told me they've been taking a multiple vitamin-mineral for

> many months and were not getting better, and sometime getting worse. The

> brand Centrum has popped up a couple of times from people who were not

> improving. I feel that if you are taking something, you should feel benefits

> quite soon--in 2-14 days. If you don't feel an improvement, try another

> supplement.

> I have never gotten good benefits from inexpensive vitamins or minerals

> purchased from drug stores or Trader Joe type stores. I don't know why, but

> quality may be the problem. When it comes to my health, I always go for the

> best in the health food stores. Even then I always buy a small bottle first

> and try it. If I don't feel results in a short time, I try another brand or

> type.

> There's another thing about supplements that I've observed over the years.

> Many times when I've taken a new supplement, I've felt bad after taking it and

> discontinued it. I now believe that sometimes when you are really deficient

> in a nutrient it will make you feel sick at first. Maybe the reason for this

> is that your body goes into a cleansing that it couldn't perform without that

> nutrient. I don't understand it, but now I know that if some nutrient makes

> me sick, then I probably am either very deficient in it or deficient in its

> antagonist (the other half of the mineral pair).

> As an illustration of the antagonist, if you are hyperthyroidic and you take

> calcium without magnesium, you will get worse (rapid heart beat), because it's

> the magnesium that your heart needs. That's why it's a good idea to stay away

> from dairy products until you get your copper built up. (A little footnote

> here: someone was using the Nutrition Almanac and saw that a pint of whole

> milk has .5 mg of copper -- this is a misprint!! Don't try to get copper from

> dairy products!

> We need to hear your stories! If anyone is experiencing benefits from taking

> the minerals recommended or has some interesting things which occurred or are

> happening now, or has something they don't understand, let's send it in.

> Stories, questions, etc--let's hear them!

> Hope to hear from you all soon!

> Your friend,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ______________________________________________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

Joyce, no dream is ever foolish, just keep up your good spirits and things wil

beging to happen for you, don't let the negatives get you down, think positive

and for good things to happen.......that is all you can do.....and hope and

pray too......most of us with this problem, have no choice but to do

this....so keep your chin up and keep at it.....it has to work.....blessings,

Chris

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