Hyperbaric Oxygen

[Guest guest]

I found some info on the HBO for those interested.

http://www.drcranton.com/hbo.htm

Marcia

[Guest guest]

i had 20 consecutive hbot treatments, zero help which

proves evreyone responds differently to different treatments,

eml

-- Hyperbaric Oxygen

Hello,

I am new to this group but a 20 year veteran of CFS. Recently I am

having success with HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy) far beyond

anything I have tried over the years. For anyone unfamiliar, HBOT

consists of breathing pure oxygen in a pressurized tank that forces

oxygen into the blood and tissues.

My result is interesting in light of recent posts that recognize

oxygen deprivation as a key CFS/FM factor and offer treatments based

at various means of restoring oxgyen supply to cells.

One recent post was about a pending study of Procrit at the

University of Miami for CFS. Procrit is a hormone (EPO) that causes

more red blood cells to be generated thereby carrying more oxygen to

cells.

On the Rejuvenation (anti-aging) forum the list owner points out that

insufficient EPO/hematocrit/red blood cell density causes senile

dementia regardless of age, we just accept it as normal in old folks

when it is treatable. PWC call that brain fog.

Another post (41801) references " Oxygen Depravation, Fibromyalgia, &

CFS " at

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0ISW/2001_Nov/79757219/p1/article.jh

tml

Dr. Majid Ali asserts that fatigue, brain fog, and muscle pain are

signals of oxygen depravation. He has a treatment designed to

restore cellular oxygen.

A more detailed explanation of how lack of oxygen inhibits cellular

energy production is at

http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Program/datadir/FMS_Etiology/hyp

othesis.php3. The site offers a program based in part on " FIR sauna "

whose purpose is largely to increase blood flow and thereby deliver

more oxygen.

As a layperson, my understanding is that Procrit/EPO is only

appropriate for a low red blood cell count, and is contraindicated

for hypercoagulation. With HBOT if you overdo you can get oxygen

toxicity; it can take you all the way to saturation. So in terms of

oxygen absorbed I believe HBOT far more effective than saunas,

peroxide, or ozonated water.

I tested positive for hypercoagulation on 2 Hemex panels, so oxygen

depravation seemed a good possibility. I did not try heparin, only

less potent anticoagulants including turmeric, fish oil, bromelain,

and aspirin. For anyone looking to match symptoms I also have

adrenal insufficiency based on a 24 hour saliva test and mercury

toxicity due to amalgrams.

After 5 daily 1 hour HBOT treatments I have gone from feeling

constantly weak and fatigued to feeling strong and just short of

energetic. Constant moderate neck and upper back pain has

disappeared. A number of chronic infections (sore throat, swollen

glands, skin) that showed depressed immunity are clearing up quickly.

This is a treatment not a cure, and it is not cheap. It also remains

to be seen if I will crash when I attempt exercise (I am exercise

intolerant), how this will interact with adrenal recovery and mercury

detox, and how much ongoing therapy is needed to preserve the effect.

Nevertheless, I am convinced there are other members of this forum

who should consider oxygen therapy. The HGH that is widely discussed

had only minor impact for me compared with forced oxygen. And the

cup of supplements I take every day helps, but not like O2.

I would be interested if anyone else has had good or bad experience

with HBOT, their symptoms, and whether they have hypercoagulation. Or

success with other forms of Oxygen therapy. The one other similar

case at the hyberbaric treatment office reported a near cure of FM.

If I am not unique and this can help others I hope to find a way to

make this therapy more widely and cheaply available.

Regards,

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Dear Craig,

Ozoanted water is good for problems in the GI tract and urinary tract,

but for autism, I would go with ear insufflation at a minimum and ozone

saunas as an all-out therapy. We have had good successes with this

approach.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: Craig Garfinkel <cdgarfinkel@...>

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oxyplus

Subject: Hyperbaric Oxygen

Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:47:52 -0800 (PST)

Hi,

How does Hyperbaric Oxygen treatments compare to

ozonated water? I hear many people raving about the

benefits of HBOT, particularly for autistic children.

HBOT is very expensive and inconvenient.

Thanks,

Craig

[Guest guest]

Hi Saul,

I have a daughter who is 'on the spectrum'. She is undergoing oral

chelation therapy and has improved a great deal over the past couple

of years. She still requires brain healing,though, and I suspect she

has viruses affecting her brain function.

I would love to use ozone with her, but after using it myself, I

cannot picture her tolerating the side effects. She still has sensory

problems and therefore has exaggerated responses to minor discomfort.

If you have any suggestions here, I would really appreciate hearing them.

By the way, thanks for the reassuring words regarding my

cavitations/tonsils post. After a couple of days, I am considerably

better, and am continuing the treatment.

Thanks Again,

Kathy T.

> Dear Craig,

>

> Ozoanted water is good for problems in the GI tract and urinary tract,

> but for autism, I would go with ear insufflation at a minimum and ozone

> saunas as an all-out therapy. We have had good successes with this

> approach.

>

> Best of Health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

>

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>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: Craig Garfinkel <cdgarfinkel@y...>

> Reply-oxyplus

> oxyplus

> Subject: Hyperbaric Oxygen

> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:47:52 -0800 (PST)

>

> Hi,

>

> How does Hyperbaric Oxygen treatments compare to

> ozonated water? I hear many people raving about the

> benefits of HBOT, particularly for autistic children.

> HBOT is very expensive and inconvenient.

>

> Thanks,

> Craig

[Guest guest]

Dear Kathy,

You could try colloidal silver if you suspect viruses.

Other than that, HBOT will give the least 'symptoms'

for her condition.

You might want to investigate EFT, which can dramatically

reduce symptoms for many problems.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: " kgt18104 " <kathygt@...>

Reply-oxyplus

oxyplus

Subject: Re: Hyperbaric Oxygen

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:12:30 -0000

Hi Saul,

I have a daughter who is 'on the spectrum'. She is undergoing oral

chelation therapy and has improved a great deal over the past couple

of years. She still requires brain healing,though, and I suspect she

has viruses affecting her brain function.

I would love to use ozone with her, but after using it myself, I

cannot picture her tolerating the side effects. She still has sensory

problems and therefore has exaggerated responses to minor discomfort.

If you have any suggestions here, I would really appreciate hearing them.

By the way, thanks for the reassuring words regarding my

cavitations/tonsils post. After a couple of days, I am considerably

better, and am continuing the treatment.

Thanks Again,

Kathy T.

> Dear Craig,

>

> Ozoanted water is good for problems in the GI tract and urinary tract,

> but for autism, I would go with ear insufflation at a minimum and ozone

> saunas as an all-out therapy. We have had good successes with this

> approach.

>

> Best of Health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

>

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>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: Craig Garfinkel <cdgarfinkel@y...>

> Reply-oxyplus

> oxyplus

> Subject: Hyperbaric Oxygen

> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:47:52 -0800 (PST)

>

> Hi,

>

> How does Hyperbaric Oxygen treatments compare to

> ozonated water? I hear many people raving about the

> benefits of HBOT, particularly for autistic children.

> HBOT is very expensive and inconvenient.

>

> Thanks,

> Craig

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy, Have you tried enzymes as recommended in " Enzymes for Autism

and other Neurological Disorders " ? If so, what did you notice?

Thanks

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

kgt18104 wrote:

>

>

> Hi Saul,

>

> I have a daughter who is 'on the spectrum'. She is undergoing oral

> chelation therapy and has improved a great deal over the past couple

> of years. She still requires brain healing,though, and I suspect she

> has viruses affecting her brain function.

>

> I would love to use ozone with her, but after using it myself, I

> cannot picture her tolerating the side effects. She still has sensory

> problems and therefore has exaggerated responses to minor discomfort.

> If you have any suggestions here, I would really appreciate hearing them.

>

> By the way, thanks for the reassuring words regarding my

> cavitations/tonsils post. After a couple of days, I am considerably

> better, and am continuing the treatment.

>

> Thanks Again,

>

> Kathy T.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

As a matter of fact, we have used digestive enzymes off and on through

the past few years. My daughter had severe digestive problems and food

allergies to the point that she even reacted to many enzymes we tried.

More recently, she has been on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, and

although this diet isn't perfect, it has made an enormous improvement

in her intestinal health. Her yeast is under control for the first

time in her life. This is after years of sugar free, high protein

eating with enormous amounts of daily probiotics-without success.

I am now modifying this diet by adding some foods previously avoided,

and using enzymes such as No-Fenol (by Houston). I have added some

probiotics back, and plan to add inulin.

For viruses, (if I rule out ozone), I plan to try Houston's Peptizide.

I'll combine this with monolaurin and/or olive leaf extract. I will

report back on the results of this in the future.

Thanks for your interest and suggestion.

Kathy T.

- In oxyplus , CountryGirl <ruthful@p...> wrote:

> Hi Kathy, Have you tried enzymes as recommended in " Enzymes for Autism

> and other Neurological Disorders " ? If so, what did you notice?

> Thanks

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

> >

> >

> >

> > <http://www.nod32.com>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Saul,

Thanks for the feedback. I'm on many autism groups

and ozone, with the exception of HBOT, is rarely

mentioned as a therapy choice. Can you elaborate on

the good successes you have had treating autism with

ear insufflation & ozone saunas?

Can you briefly summarize the pros/cons/benefits of

HBOT, ozonated water, ear insufflation, H202, & ozone

saunas? I don't really understand any of these

treatments but my impression is that they all provide

needed oxygen to the body but in different delivery

mechanismns and in different concentrations. I've

heard many autistic parents talk of great results with

HBOT. If something like ozonated water can provide

similar benefits to HBOT that would be great to know

since it is much cheaper and much more convenient.

Thanks for the help!

Craig

--- Saul Pressman <spressman@...> wrote:

> Dear Craig,

>

> Ozoanted water is good for problems in the GI tract

> and urinary tract,

> but for autism, I would go with ear insufflation at

> a minimum and ozone

> saunas as an all-out therapy. We have had good

> successes with this

> approach.

>

> Best of Health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

>

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>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: Craig Garfinkel <cdgarfinkel@...>

> Reply-oxyplus

> oxyplus

> Subject: Hyperbaric Oxygen

> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:47:52 -0800 (PST)

>

> Hi,

>

> How does Hyperbaric Oxygen treatments compare to

> ozonated water? I hear many people raving about the

> benefits of HBOT, particularly for autistic

> children.

> HBOT is very expensive and inconvenient.

>

> Thanks,

> Craig

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy. I will definitely look forward to a report on your progress

with this. I am using the peptizyed and zyme prime and feel that they

are powerful. I do not have autism issues, but I bought the book

because I have gut/neurological issues. I have done the SC Diet for

over a year and it really helped me alot. But it has not cured my grain

intolerance. I have not been tested. Perhaps I have true celiac and

there is no cure, but I just am not willing to accept that. I lived

many years of my life eating grains and not having them threaten my

life, so I don't see why I can't get back there.

In the book they recommended that you take the enzymes for two months

before trying to re introduce grains for dairy. That is where I am at.

I have been on them for a few weeks, maybe three. So I am going to wait

for a good two months and then try some grains. But I will use the zyme

prime because what I read at the enzymestuff.com site was that they have

now found that it is a carbohydrate in grain that needs to be broken

down and that proteases had made things worse for true celiacs. A bit

of a trial an error science at this point. But I will also report back

when I try reintroducing grains.

There is also the phytate issue. Phytates bind minerals and so they

need to be neutralized by soaking (ie fermenting). From what I have

read, unsprouted grains really aren't good for anyone, even if you are

not grain intolerant.

On the olive leaf extract issue. I have found it quite helpful in the

past. And I found that really cheap brands lke NOW Foods worked quite

well, which was nice.

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

kgt18104 wrote:

>

> Hi Donna,

> As a matter of fact, we have used digestive enzymes off and on through

> the past few years. My daughter had severe digestive problems and food

> allergies to the point that she even reacted to many enzymes we tried.

>

> More recently, she has been on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, and

> although this diet isn't perfect, it has made an enormous improvement

> in her intestinal health. Her yeast is under control for the first

> time in her life. This is after years of sugar free, high protein

> eating with enormous amounts of daily probiotics-without success.

> I am now modifying this diet by adding some foods previously avoided,

> and using enzymes such as No-Fenol (by Houston). I have added some

> probiotics back, and plan to add inulin.

>

> For viruses, (if I rule out ozone), I plan to try Houston's Peptizide.

> I'll combine this with monolaurin and/or olive leaf extract. I will

> report back on the results of this in the future.

>

> Thanks for your interest and suggestion.

>

> Kathy T.

> <http://www.nod32.com>

[Guest guest]

Donna, Saul got over gluten intolerance, if I remember--he can weigh

in, I think he did some kind of voll machine or homeopathy or

something like that?

>

> >

> > Hi Donna,

> > As a matter of fact, we have used digestive enzymes off and on

through

> > the past few years. My daughter had severe digestive problems and

food

> > allergies to the point that she even reacted to many enzymes we

tried.

> >

> > More recently, she has been on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, and

> > although this diet isn't perfect, it has made an enormous

improvement

> > in her intestinal health. Her yeast is under control for the first

> > time in her life. This is after years of sugar free, high protein

> > eating with enormous amounts of daily probiotics-without success.

> > I am now modifying this diet by adding some foods previously

avoided,

> > and using enzymes such as No-Fenol (by Houston). I have added some

> > probiotics back, and plan to add inulin.

> >

> > For viruses, (if I rule out ozone), I plan to try Houston's

Peptizide.

> > I'll combine this with monolaurin and/or olive leaf extract. I

will

> > report back on the results of this in the future.

> >

> > Thanks for your interest and suggestion.

> >

> > Kathy T.

> > <http://www.nod32.com>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have not yet tried hyperbaric oxygen, but I am in the process of

researching it, and it looks favorable. If you are able to search the

archives, hyperbaric oxygen treatment (HBOT) was discussed back in 2002 and

several people had some favorable comments. The gist of what was said was

that HBOT is not a magic bullet, it won't 'cure' you. But it will make you

stronger and help you in lots of ways. Some people used it as a way to get

stronger so they would be able to do other forms of therapy, and others

found that it kept helping them so they kept on using it. There were a few

people who said it did not do anything for them.

If you want to contact me off list (retractapatbellsouthdotnet), I could go

into more detail if you would like.

Hyperbaric oxygen

> Anybody experimenting with this? There is a place near me that says it

> helps with FMS-costs $4000, not covered by insurance-even though my

> insurance has paid a lot more for 'approved' treatments that do not

> work!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

There are forums on this, here's one:

NeuroHBOT/?yguid=167061878

Beware of the miracle stories and do lots of research before you take

the plunge. Be aware that high pressure (2.4 atmospheres) may not be

best for all conditions. You may respond better to low pressure, like

1.3 or 1.5 ATA. Length of time of treatment (60, 90 minutes, etc.) and

frequency of treatment are also factors. What exactly " costs $4000? "

It shouldn't be a one size fits all treatment; if that's the way the

prescribing doctor is running it, it may be a scam.

You can get home units (mild HBOT) for starting at about 11,000. If it

doesn't work and you sell it, you'd probably lose less than the $4000

you're considering giving to the clinic.

Insurance covers HBOT for certain conditions, maybe you have one of

those.

> Anybody experimenting with this? There is a place near me that says

it

> helps with FMS-costs $4000, not covered by insurance-even though my

> insurance has paid a lot more for 'approved' treatments that do not

> work!

[Guest guest]

Hi Dolphin,

No personal experience sorry. I know it was used in

the late 80's and PWME used to go to the MS centres to

try it.

People I know reported some success but not a cure.

With kindest regards,

Annette

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[Guest guest]

agree with this, I have a home unit.

I like the lower pressures for most stuff. Even for lyme.

Higher pressures will also cause some facultative anaerobes to adapt

to oxygen and they may then overgrow and be the ones you're left with.

HIgher pressures are good for some things but longterm hbo is best,

and not every day imo. so a home chamber is best.

> > Anybody experimenting with this? There is a place near me that

says

> it

> > helps with FMS-costs $4000, not covered by insurance-even though

my

> > insurance has paid a lot more for 'approved' treatments that do

not

> > work!

[Guest guest]

I think HBO is worth trying if available. People who do this should be

on plenty of antioxidants (diet + supplements) due to the risk of HBO

increasing oxidative stress. There is a careful balance between our need

by oxygen and damage done by it.

Blake

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I have not yet tried hyperbaric oxygen, but I am in the process of

> researching it, and it looks favorable. If you are able to search the

> archives, hyperbaric oxygen treatment (HBOT) was discussed back in

> 2002 and

> several people had some favorable comments. The gist of what was said

> was

> that HBOT is not a magic bullet, it won't 'cure' you. But it will

> make you

> stronger and help you in lots of ways. Some people used it as a way

> to get

> stronger so they would be able to do other forms of therapy, and others

> found that it kept helping them so they kept on using it. There were

> a few

> people who said it did not do anything for them.

>

> If you want to contact me off list (retractapatbellsouthdotnet), I

> could go

> into more detail if you would like.

>

>

> Hyperbaric oxygen

>

>

> > Anybody experimenting with this? There is a place near me that says it

> > helps with FMS-costs $4000, not covered by insurance-even though my

> > insurance has paid a lot more for 'approved' treatments that do not

> > work!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> with each

> > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

[Guest guest]

Hyperbaric Oxygen: an Adjuvant in Renal Preservation

M. E. SNELL, W. I. HOPKINSON, J. FARRELL & J. EDWARDS

St 's Hospital, London W2

Vickers Research Establishment, Sunninghill, Berkshire

Nature 238, 278 (04 August 1972); doi:10.1038/238278a0

HYPERBARIC OXYGEN retards metabolic processes1 and also increases the volume of

oxygen in solution; this phenomenon is enhanced by the increased solubility of

oxygen at low temperatures.

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