Re: Questions about HBOT treatments for child & ear concerns

September 3, 2009

Hi Jinger,

It is fairly rare, but it happens. Possibly he has some allergies this

time of year (where are you?) or starting a cold?

Or, maybe he does clear well. Has he flown in a plane? Have any

problems with that?

What you can do to resolve the cold/allergy is to give him some afrin or

pseudophed.

And/or you can take the dive to only 1.3 ATA to start things off.

Or, jsut have the tech take longer. Our chambers take 6 minutes to get

to 1.5 ATA, which is just less than 3 feet per minute traveling.

Certainly, giving him a drink should help.

But, if in doubt, stay at the lower depth for the time being; If it

persists, then get him tubes.

Blessings

Ed

On 9/3/2009 9:13 PM, jingercain wrote:

>

> We did our 1st dive today with our 4 1/2 year old son who has cerebral

> palsy. We are diving in a hard chamber and hope to get to 1.5 ATA for

> 60 minutes.

>

> My son really struggled with getting to even a depth of 1.3. He

> doesn't communicate that well yet, so when he is screaming or crying,

> it is very hard for me to figure out if the problem is that his ears

> are hurting. I finally asked the technician to stop and back off a

> little bit, and finally my son was OK and fell asleep, but not without

> a bit of crying and screaming (which could also be attributed to him

> not getting his nap in the middle of the day like he usually does --

> and getting up exceptionally early today).

>

> When my ears would start to feel pressure, and also through the dive,

> I would give my son water from a straw and that did seem to help. But,

> not enough, as we finally settled in for the remainder of the dive at

> less than 1.3 ATA, when my son seemed uncomfortable and not able to be

> comforted. I thought the technician was great and would stop when I

> asked him to give us a chance to clear/pop our ears prior to continuning.

>

> After the treatment, the technician checked my son's ears and felt

> that the inside of his ears were red, and that the screaming was

> because his ears were probably hurting.

>

> How have other parents who are diving with their children helped their

> children clear/pop their ears? And... has the concern been enough that

> anyone has resorted to ear tubes to eliminate the problem?

>

> Any input is very much appreciated!

>

> Thanks,

> Jinger

>

--

J. Nemeth, President, CEO

1955 36th Street

Sacramento, CA 95816

916-856-7044 x339

916-856-7040 Fax

www.SpectrumEvents.com

September 3, 2009

Very very slow, figure that you and your son must equalize your middle ear

about 15 times as you descend in pressure. Have him look at you, Open your

mouth really wide!, Yawn!!! drink your way down. Stop if he looks in the

Least bit uncomfortable, STOP, come up a few inches, if it goes away then

that is what it is,

7 and 12 feet is when the most air exchange happens. What I do is exactly

listed above, and sometime put the head tent on, allow them to wait for

about 5 minutes then go SO slow that you do not know I am moving.

1.3 is a great place to start, allow him to go there for a few times. can he

chew gum?

Gently take his face in your hand and move his jaw side to side, for more

information go to www.hbot4u.com your child and HBOT

By this time next week, you will be a champ... when he wakes up tomorrow,

practice with him on sea level.

Blow up balloons, that works.

Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics

www.hbot4u.com

[ ] Questions about HBOT treatments for child & ear

concerns

> We did our 1st dive today with our 4 1/2 year old son who has cerebral

> palsy. We are diving in a hard chamber and hope to get to 1.5 ATA for 60

> minutes.

>

> My son really struggled with getting to even a depth of 1.3. He doesn't

> communicate that well yet, so when he is screaming or crying, it is very

> hard for me to figure out if the problem is that his ears are hurting. I

> finally asked the technician to stop and back off a little bit, and

> finally my son was OK and fell asleep, but not without a bit of crying and

> screaming (which could also be attributed to him not getting his nap in

> the middle of the day like he usually does -- and getting up exceptionally

> early today).

>

> When my ears would start to feel pressure, and also through the dive, I

> would give my son water from a straw and that did seem to help. But, not

> enough, as we finally settled in for the remainder of the dive at less

> than 1.3 ATA, when my son seemed uncomfortable and not able to be

> comforted. I thought the technician was great and would stop when I asked

> him to give us a chance to clear/pop our ears prior to continuning.

>

> After the treatment, the technician checked my son's ears and felt that

> the inside of his ears were red, and that the screaming was because his

> ears were probably hurting.

>

> How have other parents who are diving with their children helped their

> children clear/pop their ears? And... has the concern been enough that

> anyone has resorted to ear tubes to eliminate the problem?

>

> Any input is very much appreciated!

>

> Thanks,

> Jinger

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> " So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find;

> knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives;

> he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. " [Luke

> 11: 9-10]

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

September 4, 2009

Keep in mind that crying and screaming can make the eardrums red.

Janet R.N., M.Ed.

On 9/4/09 12:13 AM, " jingercain " <jingerb@...> wrote:

>

> We did our 1st dive today with our 4 1/2 year old son who has cerebral palsy.

> We are diving in a hard chamber and hope to get to 1.5 ATA for 60 minutes.

>

> My son really struggled with getting to even a depth of 1.3. He doesn't

> communicate that well yet, so when he is screaming or crying, it is very hard

> for me to figure out if the problem is that his ears are hurting. I finally

> asked the technician to stop and back off a little bit, and finally my son was

> OK and fell asleep, but not without a bit of crying and screaming (which could

> also be attributed to him not getting his nap in the middle of the day like he

> usually does -- and getting up exceptionally early today).

>

> When my ears would start to feel pressure, and also through the dive, I would

> give my son water from a straw and that did seem to help. But, not enough, as

> we finally settled in for the remainder of the dive at less than 1.3 ATA, when

> my son seemed uncomfortable and not able to be comforted. I thought the

> technician was great and would stop when I asked him to give us a chance to

> clear/pop our ears prior to continuning.

>

> After the treatment, the technician checked my son's ears and felt that the

> inside of his ears were red, and that the screaming was because his ears were

> probably hurting.

>

> How have other parents who are diving with their children helped their

> children clear/pop their ears? And... has the concern been enough that anyone

> has resorted to ear tubes to eliminate the problem?

>

> Any input is very much appreciated!

>

> Thanks,

> Jinger

>

September 4, 2009

Hi Jinger,

At our clinic, we generally recommend using Afrin if the inside of the patient's

ears are red. It seems to help a lot.

Best wishes,

Holly Villines

Office Manager

The HBO Clinic

Little Rock, AR

(501) 353-2130

>

> We did our 1st dive today with our 4 1/2 year old son who has cerebral palsy.

We are diving in a hard chamber and hope to get to 1.5 ATA for 60 minutes.

>

> My son really struggled with getting to even a depth of 1.3. He doesn't

communicate that well yet, so when he is screaming or crying, it is very hard

for me to figure out if the problem is that his ears are hurting. I finally

asked the technician to stop and back off a little bit, and finally my son was

OK and fell asleep, but not without a bit of crying and screaming (which could

also be attributed to him not getting his nap in the middle of the day like he

usually does -- and getting up exceptionally early today).

>

> When my ears would start to feel pressure, and also through the dive, I would

give my son water from a straw and that did seem to help. But, not enough, as we

finally settled in for the remainder of the dive at less than 1.3 ATA, when my

son seemed uncomfortable and not able to be comforted. I thought the technician

was great and would stop when I asked him to give us a chance to clear/pop our

ears prior to continuning.

>

> After the treatment, the technician checked my son's ears and felt that the

inside of his ears were red, and that the screaming was because his ears were

probably hurting.

>

> How have other parents who are diving with their children helped their

children clear/pop their ears? And... has the concern been enough that anyone

has resorted to ear tubes to eliminate the problem?

>

> Any input is very much appreciated!

>

> Thanks,

> Jinger

>

September 4, 2009

Hi Jinger,

Our daughter has completed 80 dives now. She began at 6 years old. I think the

ear clearing is a learned behavior. Luckily, our CHT who runs the chamber has

dived hundreds of times himself (due to childhood stroke). I dive with my

daughter, as she has CP and is unable to sit up on her own. He would stop and

back down until we could clear. We find that opening the mouth wide and

shutting, turning the head side to side, taking a drink, or me yawning, as it

causes her to yawn all help, sometimes we play a game of who can roar like a

lion the loudest (whatever works). There has been only one time that we quit

because of not clearing when she had a bad cold. We have had to come out once

for me not clearing as well. I will tell you, when my ears were not clearing it

HURTS!. We have tried the afrin and benedryl, but doesn't really work for her.

Now, she is so good at clearing, she can even do it when she gets stuffy. We

opted in the beginning not to get tubes, which I know some doctors encourage,

especially in multi-chambers. The phenominal results we have seen with our

daughter definitely makes the time spent worth it.

Also, just for those people waiting for results; we did not see results until 3

months after her first round of 40. Then, it was overnight huge changes.

Sally

mom to CP, 7 1/2 years old

> >

> > We did our 1st dive today with our 4 1/2 year old son who has cerebral

> > palsy. We are diving in a hard chamber and hope to get to 1.5 ATA for

> > 60 minutes.

> >

> > My son really struggled with getting to even a depth of 1.3. He

> > doesn't communicate that well yet, so when he is screaming or crying,

> > it is very hard for me to figure out if the problem is that his ears

> > are hurting. I finally asked the technician to stop and back off a

> > little bit, and finally my son was OK and fell asleep, but not without

> > a bit of crying and screaming (which could also be attributed to him

> > not getting his nap in the middle of the day like he usually does --

> > and getting up exceptionally early today).

> >

> > When my ears would start to feel pressure, and also through the dive,

> > I would give my son water from a straw and that did seem to help. But,

> > not enough, as we finally settled in for the remainder of the dive at

> > less than 1.3 ATA, when my son seemed uncomfortable and not able to be

> > comforted. I thought the technician was great and would stop when I

> > asked him to give us a chance to clear/pop our ears prior to continuning.

> >

> > After the treatment, the technician checked my son's ears and felt

> > that the inside of his ears were red, and that the screaming was

> > because his ears were probably hurting.

> >

> > How have other parents who are diving with their children helped their

> > children clear/pop their ears? And... has the concern been enough that

> > anyone has resorted to ear tubes to eliminate the problem?

> >

> > Any input is very much appreciated!

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jinger

> >

>

> --

> J. Nemeth, President, CEO

> 1955 36th Street

> Sacramento, CA 95816

>

> 916-856-7044 x339

> 916-856-7040 Fax

>

> www.SpectrumEvents.com

>

September 4, 2009

If it remains a chronic problem, or if you are very concerned because of

your child's disabilities, just get ear tubes. That is the very safest

route.

The ENT can put them in in just a few minutes. Of course, that office

visit and paperwork process will take an hour.

On 9/4/2009 12:03 PM, familybeck5 wrote:

>

> Hi Jinger,

>

> Our daughter has completed 80 dives now. She began at 6 years old. I

> think the ear clearing is a learned behavior. Luckily, our CHT who

> runs the chamber has dived hundreds of times himself (due to childhood

> stroke). I dive with my daughter, as she has CP and is unable to sit

> up on her own. He would stop and back down until we could clear. We

> find that opening the mouth wide and shutting, turning the head side

> to side, taking a drink, or me yawning, as it causes her to yawn all

> help, sometimes we play a game of who can roar like a lion the loudest

> (whatever works). There has been only one time that we quit because of

> not clearing when she had a bad cold. We have had to come out once for

> me not clearing as well. I will tell you, when my ears were not

> clearing it HURTS!. We have tried the afrin and benedryl, but doesn't

> really work for her. Now, she is so good at clearing, she can even do

> it when she gets stuffy. We opted in the beginning not to get tubes,

> which I know some doctors encourage, especially in multi-chambers. The

> phenominal results we have seen with our daughter definitely makes the

> time spent worth it.

> Also, just for those people waiting for results; we did not see

> results until 3 months after her first round of 40. Then, it was

> overnight huge changes.

> Sally

> mom to CP, 7 1/2 years old

>

> > >

> > > We did our 1st dive today with our 4 1/2 year old son who has

> cerebral

> > > palsy. We are diving in a hard chamber and hope to get to 1.5 ATA for

> > > 60 minutes.

> > >

> > > My son really struggled with getting to even a depth of 1.3. He

> > > doesn't communicate that well yet, so when he is screaming or crying,

> > > it is very hard for me to figure out if the problem is that his ears

> > > are hurting. I finally asked the technician to stop and back off a

> > > little bit, and finally my son was OK and fell asleep, but not

> without

> > > a bit of crying and screaming (which could also be attributed to him

> > > not getting his nap in the middle of the day like he usually does --

> > > and getting up exceptionally early today).

> > >

> > > When my ears would start to feel pressure, and also through the dive,

> > > I would give my son water from a straw and that did seem to help.

> But,

> > > not enough, as we finally settled in for the remainder of the dive at

> > > less than 1.3 ATA, when my son seemed uncomfortable and not able

> to be

> > > comforted. I thought the technician was great and would stop when I

> > > asked him to give us a chance to clear/pop our ears prior to

> continuning.

> > >

> > > After the treatment, the technician checked my son's ears and felt

> > > that the inside of his ears were red, and that the screaming was

> > > because his ears were probably hurting.

> > >

> > > How have other parents who are diving with their children helped

> their

> > > children clear/pop their ears? And... has the concern been enough

> that

> > > anyone has resorted to ear tubes to eliminate the problem?

> > >

> > > Any input is very much appreciated!

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Jinger

> > >

> >

> > --

> > J. Nemeth, President, CEO

> > 1955 36th Street

> > Sacramento, CA 95816

> >

> > 916-856-7044 x339

> > 916-856-7040 Fax

> >

> > www.SpectrumEvents.com

> >

September 4, 2009

Hi Ed. Thank you so much for the quick response.

We are in Oregon. He doesn't seem to have allergies, and the clinic checked his

lungs, ears and temp before & after the dive, but we are in an area of the state

that our son hasn't been in much, so it is possible. I was really stuffed up

last night, but am fine today. I will watch him for allergy symptoms.

He has flown in a plane many times and never had a problem. I nursed him on

landing and take off until he was 2 1/2 and then stopped nursing. For the first

few flights after that, I made sure I just had him drink water when landing. He

has never shown any discomfort.

We are going to go slowly and with 1.3 for these first several dives.

Do the kids get use to this and it is easier to get to depth the more they do

it? ...or is it that I get better at helping him to clear his ears (and mine)?

How common is it for the kids to have to get tubes to help with the this? ...

and how likely is it that you can blow the ear drum if you don't get the ears

cleared?

The tech mentioned yesterday that he will go slower to depth today. He did go

about 1/2 of what they normally do yesterday, but he said that he will make sure

to go even slower today.

Thanks again for sharing your expertise. This is a huge learning curve for us.

Jinger

From: Ed Nemeth

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:34 PM

medicaid

Subject: Re: [ ] Questions about HBOT treatments for child & ear

concerns

Hi Jinger,

It is fairly rare, but it happens. Possibly he has some allergies this

time of year (where are you?) or starting a cold?

Or, maybe he does clear well. Has he flown in a plane? Have any

problems with that?

What you can do to resolve the cold/allergy is to give him some afrin or

pseudophed.

And/or you can take the dive to only 1.3 ATA to start things off.

Or, jsut have the tech take longer. Our chambers take 6 minutes to get

to 1.5 ATA, which is just less than 3 feet per minute traveling.

Certainly, giving him a drink should help.

But, if in doubt, stay at the lower depth for the time being; If it

persists, then get him tubes.

Blessings

Ed

On 9/3/2009 9:13 PM, jingercain wrote:

>

> We did our 1st dive today with our 4 1/2 year old son who has cerebral

> palsy. We are diving in a hard chamber and hope to get to 1.5 ATA for

> 60 minutes.

>

> My son really struggled with getting to even a depth of 1.3. He

> doesn't communicate that well yet, so when he is screaming or crying,

> it is very hard for me to figure out if the problem is that his ears

> are hurting. I finally asked the technician to stop and back off a

> little bit, and finally my son was OK and fell asleep, but not without

> a bit of crying and screaming (which could also be attributed to him

> not getting his nap in the middle of the day like he usually does --

> and getting up exceptionally early today).

>

> When my ears would start to feel pressure, and also through the dive,

> I would give my son water from a straw and that did seem to help. But,

> not enough, as we finally settled in for the remainder of the dive at

> less than 1.3 ATA, when my son seemed uncomfortable and not able to be

> comforted. I thought the technician was great and would stop when I

> asked him to give us a chance to clear/pop our ears prior to continuning.

>

> After the treatment, the technician checked my son's ears and felt

> that the inside of his ears were red, and that the screaming was

> because his ears were probably hurting.

>

> How have other parents who are diving with their children helped their

> children clear/pop their ears? And... has the concern been enough that

> anyone has resorted to ear tubes to eliminate the problem?

>

> Any input is very much appreciated!

>

> Thanks,

> Jinger

>

--

J. Nemeth, President, CEO

1955 36th Street

Sacramento, CA 95816

916-856-7044 x339

916-856-7040 Fax

www.SpectrumEvents.com

September 4, 2009

I have to run so quickly....

HBOT can cause some people some mucos tissue irritation (e.g. sinus');

these are rare problems, but not uncommon. We have had a few patients

get ear tubes, but it too is rare.

Once your at 1.3 for a bit, you can try 1.4, wait and then 1.5

Given him a drink is the most common way of handling it.

Once you've done a dozen session, you will also be a pro!

Please keep us informed of his progress!

Blessings!

Ed

On 9/4/2009 1:27 PM, JingerB wrote:

>

> Hi Ed. Thank you so much for the quick response.

>

> We are in Oregon. He doesn't seem to have allergies, and the clinic

> checked his lungs, ears and temp before & after the dive, but we are

> in an area of the state that our son hasn't been in much, so it is

> possible. I was really stuffed up last night, but am fine today. I

> will watch him for allergy symptoms.

>

> He has flown in a plane many times and never had a problem. I nursed

> him on landing and take off until he was 2 1/2 and then stopped

> nursing. For the first few flights after that, I made sure I just had

> him drink water when landing. He has never shown any discomfort.

>

> We are going to go slowly and with 1.3 for these first several dives.

>

> Do the kids get use to this and it is easier to get to depth the more

> they do it? ...or is it that I get better at helping him to clear his

> ears (and mine)?

>

> How common is it for the kids to have to get tubes to help with the

> this? ... and how likely is it that you can blow the ear drum if you

> don't get the ears cleared?

>

> The tech mentioned yesterday that he will go slower to depth today. He

> did go about 1/2 of what they normally do yesterday, but he said that

> he will make sure to go even slower today.

>

> Thanks again for sharing your expertise. This is a huge learning curve

> for us.

>

> Jinger

>

> From: Ed Nemeth

> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:34 PM

> medicaid

> <mailto:medicaid%40>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Questions about HBOT treatments for

> child & ear concerns

>

> Hi Jinger,

>

> It is fairly rare, but it happens. Possibly he has some allergies this

> time of year (where are you?) or starting a cold?

>

> Or, maybe he does clear well. Has he flown in a plane? Have any

> problems with that?

>

> What you can do to resolve the cold/allergy is to give him some afrin or

> pseudophed.

>

> And/or you can take the dive to only 1.3 ATA to start things off.

>

> Or, jsut have the tech take longer. Our chambers take 6 minutes to get

> to 1.5 ATA, which is just less than 3 feet per minute traveling.

>

> Certainly, giving him a drink should help.

>

> But, if in doubt, stay at the lower depth for the time being; If it

> persists, then get him tubes.

>

> Blessings

> Ed

>

> On 9/3/2009 9:13 PM, jingercain wrote:

> >

> > We did our 1st dive today with our 4 1/2 year old son who has cerebral

> > palsy. We are diving in a hard chamber and hope to get to 1.5 ATA for

> > 60 minutes.

> >

> > My son really struggled with getting to even a depth of 1.3. He

> > doesn't communicate that well yet, so when he is screaming or crying,

> > it is very hard for me to figure out if the problem is that his ears

> > are hurting. I finally asked the technician to stop and back off a

> > little bit, and finally my son was OK and fell asleep, but not without

> > a bit of crying and screaming (which could also be attributed to him

> > not getting his nap in the middle of the day like he usually does --

> > and getting up exceptionally early today).

> >

> > When my ears would start to feel pressure, and also through the dive,

> > I would give my son water from a straw and that did seem to help. But,

> > not enough, as we finally settled in for the remainder of the dive at

> > less than 1.3 ATA, when my son seemed uncomfortable and not able to be

> > comforted. I thought the technician was great and would stop when I

> > asked him to give us a chance to clear/pop our ears prior to

> continuning.

> >

> > After the treatment, the technician checked my son's ears and felt

> > that the inside of his ears were red, and that the screaming was

> > because his ears were probably hurting.

> >

> > How have other parents who are diving with their children helped their

> > children clear/pop their ears? And... has the concern been enough that

> > anyone has resorted to ear tubes to eliminate the problem?

> >

> > Any input is very much appreciated!

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jinger

> >

>

> --

> J. Nemeth, President, CEO

> 1955 36th Street

> Sacramento, CA 95816

>

> 916-856-7044 x339

> 916-856-7040 Fax

>

> www.SpectrumEvents.com

>

September 4, 2009

Sally & Ed,

Your input is so very much appreciated. And Sally, thank you for sharing your

results. After going in the chamber yesterday with our little guy, and seeing,

feeling & hearing the stress of him not clearing his ears quickly enough, I knew

that I needed to make sure I had some other tricks up my sleeve before going

back today. Your results brought a big smile to my face and I very much thank

you for sharing those with me -- especially after a rough dive yesterday. You

have encouraged me a great deal!

Warm Regards,

Jinger

From: Ed Nemeth

Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:27 PM

medicaid

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Questions about HBOT treatments for child &

ear concerns