Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 fyi I SUGGEST EVERYONE SEND IN A LETTER TO NYTIMES --- Very Poor Journalism Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:42:58 -0700 From: Ed Nemeth <EdNemeth@...> public@..., Freels <dfreels@...>, " KP Stoller, MD " <hbotnm@...>, Pierre Marois <pierremaroismd@...>, rossignolmd@..., sac-autism-biomed , Willian Duncan <wduncan@...>, medicaid Dear Mr Hoyt, I am addressing a recent highly flawed article. First who am I? I am the Founder of the CHERISH Foundation, and organization that support brain injured children with Cerebral Palsy, Autism Seizures, near drowning, and more. CHERISH provides : 1 medical grants for Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapies (HBOT) for these kids 2 has an HBOT CME Physician education program with the Albert Einstein College of Medicine (but, have not had the funds to complete) 3 Conducts Medical Research on HBOT for pediatric brain injuries. /Currently, we are finishing a study on HBOT for autism with preliminary results that appear outstanding./ The recent article is: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/health/10brody.html?_r=1 & ref=science Oxygen Therapy Is Valuable, Sometimes The Journalistic mistakes are obvious and highly injurious. I will address them with facts. At issue we start with Dr. Graffeo's statement, / " the same time, hyperbaric oxygen therapy has joined the ranks of unproven remedies for many conditions, especially incurable ones like cerebral palsy <http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/cerebral-palsy/overview.html?in\ line=nyt-classifier> and autism <http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/autism/overview.html?inline=nyt\ -classifier>. " / " /Simply, this is like saying that Michale Phelps can't swim very well compared to other swimmers. " / Not only is the statement beyond being obviously wrong, it is so proven wrong that it is beyond ludicrous. Only an insane, idiotic, or totally corrupt person can make such a statement. This extra-ordinary error / fraud must be corrected. The level of injury and suffering incurred by this error is beyond anything you can measure in your lifetime. First, every Professional Medical Society mandates that Physicians only present themselves as Experts and provide public Opinions in areas where they: 1) training, certification or demonstrated competence in that area (in this case HBOT) 2) specific knowledge of the subject matter of the that area (in this case treat children with autism and CP) 3) practice 80 hours/month in the specialty appropriate to the Case subject matter (HBOT for CP and autism), for the past three (3) years. S. Graffeo has HBOT for wound care experience, for example, but does not treat children. He has no basis to discuss the care and results kids obtain with HBOT. It is akin to asking a Diesel Truck Mechanic to fix your broken VW Jetta. The guys knows engines, but doesn't know your Jetta. Or, like a foot surgeon commenting on brain surgery. He cannot, and it is illegal to do so. There are many expert physicians in this areas who do merit these requirements and can readily comment Expertly (in the eyes of the law) and knowledgeably (essential for good journalism). For example, another double blinded HBOT study is being published as we speak by serial HBOT for autism researcher Dr Rossignol. Why was he not asked what HBOT does for children with autism? No one would accept Dr Rossignol's opinions on HBOT for wound care, why do the converse and accept a wound care physician's opinion on autism? The foot is no where near the brain and their physiologies are competely different. In short, if Dr. graffeo were to testify in a court of law on HBOT for autism, he WOULD LOOSE his license to practice medicine. No small matter of opinion by the legal system. Second, HBOT for CP, for example is one of the most studied and proven treatments for CP! And, it is by far is the most successful treatment for these kids. In fact, according to Dr Pierre Marois, the leading CP Specialist for the Quebec Province * HBOT is the most successful, and the safest treatment that is provided to children with CP. He also factually presented that HBOT for CP is the most studied CP treatment with the only possible exception of Baclephen Pumps /(which research occurred years after it was accepted and reimbursed for CP kids, and which has 25% the efficacy and application of HBOT for CP!)/. HBOT is better studied and has better results than ALL other surgeries and ALL other therapies. HBOT is better studied and offers better results than ALL anti-seizure drugs.** HBOT is better studied and offers better results than ALL drug therapies. */This is not a minor point in demostrating the level of ignorance of Dr. Graffeo./* /* Canada's medical system requires most children with CP go through Dr Marois, then he refers them to any care/therapy they require. Dr Marois has innovated a number of CP treatments and surgeries that are now _the standard of care for all of NORTH AMERICA_. Dr. Marois has published a series of double blinded, multi-center studies on HBOT for CP all with clear and extra ordinary results that have blind children gaining sight, speech, walking for the first time, and gret cognitive improvements. All very objective and highly measured. ** No anti-seizure drug is approved for pediatric seizures, with the possible exception of Deprekote Sprinkles which is an edible anti-seazure drug. But, it also might not be FDA approved for pediatrics as well. Regardless, no other anti-seizure drug has been tested on children. But, all are resimbursed and considered the standard of care. /*At issue is that Dr/ /Graffeo is quoting the studies that Dr's Rossignol and Marois completed and published in peer reviewed journals! Why not get the real information from the guys who are the true experts! A good journalist will get the correct information from the correct people. * Also, the CHERISH Foundation is just completing its last patient in its own Pilot Study using HBOT for kids with Autism with the world re-known MIND Institute, at the UC Medical School - a highly conservative and respected medical institution. While the results are preliminary, they demonstrate very clear objective biological improvements in the children who are all highly classified prior to this study. Because all children were first evaluated and classified in the previous CHARGE Studfy, the results that will be published here will be highly objective with biological measures not before seen in any pediatric study. The most objective found in any treatment studies on brain injured children. Further Dr Rossignol's most recently accepted HBOT for autism research paper is now accepted for publication. This study is a randomized, controlled, double-blind multicenter trial, and shows extra-ordinary results for kids with autism who are treated with HBOT. I do not know of another study on autism that acheives that level of reseach quality. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090312205226.htm / (I have and have read the pre-publication article, but I don't think I can share it)/ How is it we can say that HBOT is the most studied drug for kids with CP, for example? Because there are few studies ever conducted on brain injured kids! 85% of all drugs and therapies have NEVER been tested on Brain Injured children! This is because it is _*illegal *_to conduct investagatory studies in brain injured children! In order to do so, the therapy has to be proven _*extra ordinarily safe*_, and _*proven beyond a doubt to give improvements*_ to the children. That is, the research has to be fairly _*pre-proven to succeed*_ before a study can be done on brain injured children! Few drugs are safe, and most are unproven for kids. They are adapted and prescribed off-label to brain injured children. HBOT is one of the most studied drugs in the world, except for aspirin. And, HBOT is one of the safest of all prescription drugs. For example, in recent years 16,000 patients a year die from Ibuprofin. But, no one in 75 years have died in the US from HBOT. Which drug would you feel safer with? (sic / " Furthermore, the therapy is not without risks, though most are mild and usually short-lived and there has been no documented fatality in more than 75 years of use in North America. " )/ Finally, the journalist addressed the UHMS, an inpatient hospital based hyperbaric association...on outpatient treatments. There are two flaws with this approach. First, UHMS is only interested in hospital based HBOT care for acute conditions where they charge hospital clinics $20,000 for certification, and those clinic charge $1,500 or more for a single standard HBOT session. THe IHMS (international Hyperbaric Medical Society) contrarily, is a Free Standing HBOT Clinic organization, and supports low cost out patient care for chronic injured patients. Most of these clinics charge, for example, $125-200 per HBOT session, and charge nothing for Certifications. Like every gum shoe detective will tell you... follow the money if you want to solve a crime. The difference is, would you, right now, if required, be going to dialysis in a hospital three days a week, or an outpatient clinic? We both know that you an di woudl go to an outpatient clinic and avoid the hosptial for many reasons. That makes a significant difference in the perspective the " expert " gives. Further, a major flaw is that the Journalist claims that the UHMS dictates what HBOT applications are reimbursed. IT DOES NOT! First, HBOT is an FDA approved drug for / " anything a physican prescribes/ " , unlike most other drugs. Second, Medicare and Insurance companies determine what HBOT applications are reimbursed. For example, Medicare reimburses HBOT for diabetic Foot Wounds, but, you cannot find that on the UHMS list. Are we to suppose that Medicare and every Insurance company in the nation are all wrong? To add insult to injury, Dr Graffeo presents HBOT as an essential treatment for Diabetic Foot Wounds! *** HBOT resolves 75% of all foot wounds that would otherwise require amputation! thus, Dr Graffeo's Medical Practice is a complete FRAUD and SCAM when evalutated according to his own definitions! Why is this fully reimbursed HBOT applications not accepted by the UHMS? Possibly because Diabetic Foot Wounds was approved by Medicare for reimrbursement through the efforts of the IHMA and not the UHMS! Dr Graffeo also explicitly details how HBOT works for foot wounds and radiation necrosis, which is essentially the same mechanism that HBOT uses to help brain injuries! HBOT reverses tissue ischemia! / " patients, for example, who can develop oxygen-deficient wounds that do not heal well. " /That is the definition of a brain injury. An oxygen deficint non-healing wound! Thus, this article is highly flawed and incredibly injurious to kids and families are already extremely challenged. If you do not have a brain injured child, (I hope your kids are all very healthy, and you know little of these issues!) then you truly cannot understand the incredible challenges in caring for a brain injured child! It is very hard, and the challenges are daily and myriad! Every otherwise nominal issue in the world is challenged, whether helping your child weather a cold, or getting them to school, or the daily battles with insurance companies or Medicaid over the legally mandated or contracted care, that they refuse to pay for. The truth is, in regards to this last problem, is this actually rises to the level of Crimes against Humanity. No small issue. For example, every single Federal District Court in the US has ruled identically hundreds of times for brain injured children that Medicaid;s Paragraph 5 EPSDT Provisions must be adhered to uniformly. Yet, every parent in the country has to fight for their EPSDT rights and usually and legally raped by their states through willful conspired fraud until they get to the Federal District Court level. For example, Jimmy Freels has successfully sued Georgia for HBOT since 2001, winning numerous Federal District Court cases. Georgia however, rather than providing care, immediately changes its own rules requiring little Jimmy to sue once again. I have lost count of the number of Federal District Court cases Jimmy has won in the past 7 years. But, this is the reality for kids who are fighting to walk or for their lives. Why do they have to fight these incredible legal battles as well in order to receive their Federal Medical Rights? Yet, the Paragraph 5, EPSDT Federal Medicaid Regulations were specifically and explicitly designed to get supportive treatments to brain injured children as quickly as possible because of the far reaching implications of early interventions. Further, I Sponsored AB 2763 in 2002 here in California in order to get California to obey the EPSDT provisions. Of course, that bill was bured by incredible and unique bureacratic efforts by the then Democratic Governor and the Assembly Health Care Committee (headed by Dem. Helen ) here. Is it really asking too much for a state to obey explicit mandated Federal Regulations? I also know these issues personally because I recently sued California under the Lanterman Act whereby my daughter was legally raped by the State and by the Administrative Court with horrendous fraud (which I have the paper documentation for). California spent over $70,000 and committed wilfull premeditated conspired fraud in order to prevent my daughter from gaining $1,900 of medical services that was prescribed by her Two Board Certified Neurologists and mandated under the Lanterman Act. These are the issues we parents deal with daily. Hence this article must be corrected because I believe the backlash by parents will be severe and unforgiving. Remember, 1 in 200 children have CP, and 1 in 150 have autism. These are huge life-long numbers and they live suffer and die with these conditions daily. I hope you receive this letter in the spriit of truth and fairness that it is written. I look forward to your comments, and the NYTimes public corrections of these factual errors. Blessings, Ed Nemeth -- J. Nemeth, Founder CHERISH Foundation 1955 36th Street Sacramento, CA 95816 916-856-7050 x339 916-856-7040 Fax www.CHERISHfoundation.org -- J. 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Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 - Hello Ed, I just sent my letter. Lois Bowen-Tucson -- In medicaid , Ed Nemeth <nemeth@...> wrote: > > fyi > > I SUGGEST EVERYONE SEND IN A LETTER TO NYTIMES > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Hello everyone i am typing up a letter to new york times about this pathetic article also, and i noticed the same person< jane brody>Â who journaled this article also wrote another one about austim and even included hyperbaric chamber also, here is the link http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/20brod.html?pagewanted=2 & _r=1 stephanividrine ________________________________ From: Ed Nemeth <nemeth@...> medicaid Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:29:23 PM Subject: [ ] [Fwd: Very Poor Journalism] fyi I SUGGEST EVERYONE SEND IN A LETTER TO NYTIMES --- Very Poor Journalism Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:42:58 -0700 From: Ed Nemeth <EdNemeth@CHERISHFou ndation.org> publicnytimes (DOT) com, Freels <dfreelsmindspring (DOT) com>, " KP Stoller, MD " <hbotnmnetzero (DOT) net>, Pierre Marois <pierremaroismd@ hotmail.com>, rossignolmd@ gmail.com, sac-autism-biomed, Willian Duncan <wduncan@dc-strategy .com>, medicaid Dear Mr Hoyt, I am addressing a recent highly flawed article. First who am I? I am the Founder of the CHERISH Foundation, and organization that support brain injured children with Cerebral Palsy, Autism Seizures, near drowning, and more. CHERISH provides : 1 medical grants for Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapies (HBOT) for these kids 2 has an HBOT CME Physician education program with the Albert Einstein College of Medicine (but, have not had the funds to complete) 3 Conducts Medical Research on HBOT for pediatric brain injuries. /Currently, we are finishing a study on HBOT for autism with preliminary results that appear outstanding. / The recent article is: http://www.nytimes. com/2009/ 03/10/health/ 10brody.html? _r=1 & ref= science Oxygen Therapy Is Valuable, Sometimes The Journalistic mistakes are obvious and highly injurious. I will address them with facts. At issue we start with Dr. Graffeo's statement, / " the same time, hyperbaric oxygen therapy has joined the ranks of unproven remedies for many conditions, especially incurable ones like cerebral palsy <http://health. nytimes.com/ health/guides/ disease/cerebral -palsy/overview. html?inline= nyt-classifier> and autism <http://health. nytimes.com/ health/guides/ disease/autism/ overview. html?inline= nyt-classifier>. " / " /Simply, this is like saying that Michale Phelps can't swim very well compared to other swimmers. " / Not only is the statement beyond being obviously wrong, it is so proven wrong that it is beyond ludicrous. Only an insane, idiotic, or totally corrupt person can make such a statement. This extra-ordinary error / fraud must be corrected. The level of injury and suffering incurred by this error is beyond anything you can measure in your lifetime. First, every Professional Medical Society mandates that Physicians only present themselves as Experts and provide public Opinions in areas where they: 1) training, certification or demonstrated competence in that area (in this case HBOT) 2) specific knowledge of the subject matter of the that area (in this case treat children with autism and CP) 3) practice 80 hours/month in the specialty appropriate to the Case subject matter (HBOT for CP and autism), for the past three (3) years. S. Graffeo has HBOT for wound care experience, for example, but does not treat children. He has no basis to discuss the care and results kids obtain with HBOT. It is akin to asking a Diesel Truck Mechanic to fix your broken VW Jetta. The guys knows engines, but doesn't know your Jetta. Or, like a foot surgeon commenting on brain surgery. He cannot, and it is illegal to do so. There are many expert physicians in this areas who do merit these requirements and can readily comment Expertly (in the eyes of the law) and knowledgeably (essential for good journalism). For example, another double blinded HBOT study is being published as we speak by serial HBOT for autism researcher Dr Rossignol. Why was he not asked what HBOT does for children with autism? No one would accept Dr Rossignol's opinions on HBOT for wound care, why do the converse and accept a wound care physician's opinion on autism? The foot is no where near the brain and their physiologies are competely different. In short, if Dr. graffeo were to testify in a court of law on HBOT for autism, he WOULD LOOSE his license to practice medicine. No small matter of opinion by the legal system. Second, HBOT for CP, for example is one of the most studied and proven treatments for CP! And, it is by far is the most successful treatment for these kids. In fact, according to Dr Pierre Marois, the leading CP Specialist for the Quebec Province * HBOT is the most successful, and the safest treatment that is provided to children with CP. He also factually presented that HBOT for CP is the most studied CP treatment with the only possible exception of Baclephen Pumps /(which research occurred years after it was accepted and reimbursed for CP kids, and which has 25% the efficacy and application of HBOT for CP!)/. HBOT is better studied and has better results than ALL other surgeries and ALL other therapies. HBOT is better studied and offers better results than ALL anti-seizure drugs.** HBOT is better studied and offers better results than ALL drug therapies. */This is not a minor point in demostrating the level of ignorance of Dr. Graffeo./* /* Canada's medical system requires most children with CP go through Dr Marois, then he refers them to any care/therapy they require. Dr Marois has innovated a number of CP treatments and surgeries that are now _the standard of care for all of NORTH AMERICA_. Dr. Marois has published a series of double blinded, multi-center studies on HBOT for CP all with clear and extra ordinary results that have blind children gaining sight, speech, walking for the first time, and gret cognitive improvements. All very objective and highly measured. ** No anti-seizure drug is approved for pediatric seizures, with the possible exception of Deprekote Sprinkles which is an edible anti-seazure drug. But, it also might not be FDA approved for pediatrics as well. Regardless, no other anti-seizure drug has been tested on children. But, all are resimbursed and considered the standard of care. /*At issue is that Dr/ /Graffeo is quoting the studies that Dr's Rossignol and Marois completed and published in peer reviewed journals! Why not get the real information from the guys who are the true experts! A good journalist will get the correct information from the correct people. * Also, the CHERISH Foundation is just completing its last patient in its own Pilot Study using HBOT for kids with Autism with the world re-known MIND Institute, at the UC Medical School - a highly conservative and respected medical institution. While the results are preliminary, they demonstrate very clear objective biological improvements in the children who are all highly classified prior to this study. Because all children were first evaluated and classified in the previous CHARGE Studfy, the results that will be published here will be highly objective with biological measures not before seen in any pediatric study. The most objective found in any treatment studies on brain injured children. Further Dr Rossignol's most recently accepted HBOT for autism research paper is now accepted for publication. This study is a randomized, controlled, double-blind multicenter trial, and shows extra-ordinary results for kids with autism who are treated with HBOT. I do not know of another study on autism that acheives that level of reseach quality. http://www.scienced aily.com/ releases/ 2009/03/09031220 5226.htm / (I have and have read the pre-publication article, but I don't think I can share it)/ How is it we can say that HBOT is the most studied drug for kids with CP, for example? Because there are few studies ever conducted on brain injured kids! 85% of all drugs and therapies have NEVER been tested on Brain Injured children! This is because it is _*illegal *_to conduct investagatory studies in brain injured children! In order to do so, the therapy has to be proven _*extra ordinarily safe*_, and _*proven beyond a doubt to give improvements* _ to the children. That is, the research has to be fairly _*pre-proven to succeed*_ before a study can be done on brain injured children! Few drugs are safe, and most are unproven for kids. They are adapted and prescribed off-label to brain injured children. HBOT is one of the most studied drugs in the world, except for aspirin. And, HBOT is one of the safest of all prescription drugs. For example, in recent years 16,000 patients a year die from Ibuprofin. But, no one in 75 years have died in the US from HBOT. Which drug would you feel safer with? (sic / " Furthermore, the therapy is not without risks, though most are mild and usually short-lived and there has been no documented fatality in more than 75 years of use in North America. " )/ Finally, the journalist addressed the UHMS, an inpatient hospital based hyperbaric association. ..on outpatient treatments. There are two flaws with this approach. First, UHMS is only interested in hospital based HBOT care for acute conditions where they charge hospital clinics $20,000 for certification, and those clinic charge $1,500 or more for a single standard HBOT session. THe IHMS (international Hyperbaric Medical Society) contrarily, is a Free Standing HBOT Clinic organization, and supports low cost out patient care for chronic injured patients. Most of these clinics charge, for example, $125-200 per HBOT session, and charge nothing for Certifications. Like every gum shoe detective will tell you... follow the money if you want to solve a crime. The difference is, would you, right now, if required, be going to dialysis in a hospital three days a week, or an outpatient clinic? We both know that you an di woudl go to an outpatient clinic and avoid the hosptial for many reasons. That makes a significant difference in the perspective the " expert " gives. Further, a major flaw is that the Journalist claims that the UHMS dictates what HBOT applications are reimbursed. IT DOES NOT! First, HBOT is an FDA approved drug for / " anything a physican prescribes/ " , unlike most other drugs. Second, Medicare and Insurance companies determine what HBOT applications are reimbursed. For example, Medicare reimburses HBOT for diabetic Foot Wounds, but, you cannot find that on the UHMS list. Are we to suppose that Medicare and every Insurance company in the nation are all wrong? To add insult to injury, Dr Graffeo presents HBOT as an essential treatment for Diabetic Foot Wounds! *** HBOT resolves 75% of all foot wounds that would otherwise require amputation! thus, Dr Graffeo's Medical Practice is a complete FRAUD and SCAM when evalutated according to his own definitions! Why is this fully reimbursed HBOT applications not accepted by the UHMS? Possibly because Diabetic Foot Wounds was approved by Medicare for reimrbursement through the efforts of the IHMA and not the UHMS! Dr Graffeo also explicitly details how HBOT works for foot wounds and radiation necrosis, which is essentially the same mechanism that HBOT uses to help brain injuries! HBOT reverses tissue ischemia! / " patients, for example, who can develop oxygen-deficient wounds that do not heal well. " /That is the definition of a brain injury. An oxygen deficint non-healing wound! Thus, this article is highly flawed and incredibly injurious to kids and families are already extremely challenged. If you do not have a brain injured child, (I hope your kids are all very healthy, and you know little of these issues!) then you truly cannot understand the incredible challenges in caring for a brain injured child! It is very hard, and the challenges are daily and myriad! Every otherwise nominal issue in the world is challenged, whether helping your child weather a cold, or getting them to school, or the daily battles with insurance companies or Medicaid over the legally mandated or contracted care, that they refuse to pay for. The truth is, in regards to this last problem, is this actually rises to the level of Crimes against Humanity. No small issue. For example, every single Federal District Court in the US has ruled identically hundreds of times for brain injured children that Medicaid;s Paragraph 5 EPSDT Provisions must be adhered to uniformly. Yet, every parent in the country has to fight for their EPSDT rights and usually and legally raped by their states through willful conspired fraud until they get to the Federal District Court level. For example, Jimmy Freels has successfully sued Georgia for HBOT since 2001, winning numerous Federal District Court cases. Georgia however, rather than providing care, immediately changes its own rules requiring little Jimmy to sue once again. I have lost count of the number of Federal District Court cases Jimmy has won in the past 7 years. But, this is the reality for kids who are fighting to walk or for their lives. Why do they have to fight these incredible legal battles as well in order to receive their Federal Medical Rights? Yet, the Paragraph 5, EPSDT Federal Medicaid Regulations were specifically and explicitly designed to get supportive treatments to brain injured children as quickly as possible because of the far reaching implications of early interventions. Further, I Sponsored AB 2763 in 2002 here in California in order to get California to obey the EPSDT provisions. Of course, that bill was bured by incredible and unique bureacratic efforts by the then Democratic Governor and the Assembly Health Care Committee (headed by Dem. Helen ) here. Is it really asking too much for a state to obey explicit mandated Federal Regulations? I also know these issues personally because I recently sued California under the Lanterman Act whereby my daughter was legally raped by the State and by the Administrative Court with horrendous fraud (which I have the paper documentation for). California spent over $70,000 and committed wilfull premeditated conspired fraud in order to prevent my daughter from gaining $1,900 of medical services that was prescribed by her Two Board Certified Neurologists and mandated under the Lanterman Act. These are the issues we parents deal with daily. Hence this article must be corrected because I believe the backlash by parents will be severe and unforgiving. Remember, 1 in 200 children have CP, and 1 in 150 have autism. These are huge life-long numbers and they live suffer and die with these conditions daily. I hope you receive this letter in the spriit of truth and fairness that it is written. I look forward to your comments, and the NYTimes public corrections of these factual errors. Blessings, Ed Nemeth -- J. Nemeth, Founder CHERISH Foundation 1955 36th Street Sacramento, CA 95816 916-856-7050 x339 916-856-7040 Fax www.CHERISHfoundati on.org -- J. 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