Guest guest Posted June 27, 2000 Report Share Posted June 27, 2000 I agree with Reba, and I am glad she " spoke out " like many on the list " think " that it is alright to " speak out " about their sexual preferences, I look at like this, you do not care to hear about our religion or our beliefs, so, why should anyone care what others " sexual preferences " are?????? Tammy NOTHING IS BEYOND THE REACH OF DETERMINATION!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2000 Report Share Posted June 27, 2000 In a message dated 6/27/00 2:06:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kd1219@... writes: << I would also like to request the same courtesy from others - it is offensive to me to have Christians and Christianity bashed by others. Christians appear to be a minority on this list as does homosexuality. If we agree not to bash one - can't we agree not to bash the other? I'm sure it was unintentional but it hurts just the same. One other comment - not all who " profess " to be Christians ARE Christians - it is possible that it is those who you have had your experiences with. Reba >> True and with that there is a way of expressing yourself without embarrassing yourself. :-) Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2000 Report Share Posted June 27, 2000 Well said Reba and I agree with you. I hope others will voice their agreement also in the same well chosen words. Bless You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 le, As an American who has spent the last 17 years abroad almost 1-2 weeks a month, I have to agree with you on the judgmental hypocrisy aspect.... but, that is everything that Christianity is against. It is simply a human frailty. I think Ghandi said it right when billy Graham asked him " what is the greatest challenge of Christianity expanding in India? " Ghandi replied, " Christians. " So, while I defend the US and Christianity greatly, I also acknowledge that all is not perfect in the land of Oz. As, I am sure many people on this list do. But, you have to look at the differences of Europe and the US. Virtually every war in Europe for 2000 years was based on greed and used religion as justification. We have yet to have that war here. Europe is about to be destroyed by Muslims because they cannot integrate into society and become local citizens... they are always cast aside by the caste system. Muslims come to the US and become Americans and integrate into our society. Why? Because as a country founded on true Christianity - not a particular church, but on the Christian faith- we are required to allow every person to seek their own God and worship that God as they see fit. Hence, Hindu's come here and keep that which is dear to themselves but become Americans and adopt our freedoms of tolerance. A Buddist can live right next to a Baptist, and a Catholic and a Muslim and a Jew. And, they are required to have tolerance to each other. Our systems are good for enforcing that - though they obviously have many other failures. In Europe they live in separate villages and enclaves, and reside with themselves, separated from upward mobility and plot on how they can over throw their government. Anyhow, I want to get off the subject and back to helping our kids. Take care, Ed At 11:30 AM 7/17/2007, you wrote: >: > >As another American on this board, I agree with you. Must have been me >living in Europe for 12 years. > >Religion is what you make it and my hats off to all of those who truly walk >in the shoes of those whom they believe in (whether it be Christ, Mohammed, >etc.). I have seen from my own experience (with close relatives) that too >often it is only lip service. When the rubber hits the road and one would >expect " Christians " to be there and step up. they all but disappeared. The >ones I knew before. Funny though, I have met some Christians that were >complete strangers to me that truly live what they believe. > >Anyways, I am not religious, cannot believe in some otherwordly deity that >governs everything we do. However, I am very spiritual and believe in a lot >of the religious doctrines and principles. Notice I said religous and not >necessarily Christian. Some of the greatest crimes of humanity have been >committed in the name of Christianity, as they have been in the name of >Islam. Doctrines and principles I believe in are common sense, such as do >not kill, be good to thy neighbor, do not steal, make the world a better >place, etc. If I would voice any type of religious belief, I probably would >have to side with the Far Eastern way of doing this. Look at people >practicing buddhism, etc. Seems like they are some of the most peaceful and >at peace people they know. > >I probably get lots of hatemail for this, but so be it. Again, goes to what >I am saying being a Christian. Do not judge, do not cast the first stone, >etc. My problem with organized religion is you are not welcomed to question, >to doubt, to do whatever. If you do, you are deemed a nonbeliever and they >feel sorry for you. > >I am at peace with the person that stares back at me when I look into the >mirror. Because I have a very strong moral code (i.e. be a decent human >being) which I practice every day of my life. I my religion is family, >friends and making this world a better place. Mmmmm, seems like somebody >that walked the Middle East a little more than 2,000 years ago was trying to >do that. > >Off my soapbox. Religion should be kept private. Anybody has the right to >believe whatever they want to. Including people that do not believe. No >reason to feel sorry for me. I am ok!!!!!! > >le > Re: [ ] Complaint Filing > > > > > > Why oh why do Americans never stop bringing this God thing into > > > everything? > > > They can't have a cup of coffee without some comment about this >God thing. > > > It is just meaningless. Ok if your into this God stuff keep it >to > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] Complaint Filing > > > > > > , > > > > > > The complaints can be filed anonomously - however, this one was >not. > > > The complaint does not request to be kept anonomous. I've been > > > personally slammed by with his blatant lies concerning >his > > > lack of involvement, while I sit here and read his e-mail >complaint! > > > As far as the public record, you would have to read through the > > > minutes from the actual board hearings. My lawyer brought up the > > > complaintants motives and name at one of them - so it should be >on > > > the public record - at least that much, if not the actual >letter. > > > I'm not sure if I legally can release it to the public or >otherwise I > > > would. Maybe either knew the person on the Board he > > > complained to and assumed anonimity or he knew I couldn't >release it > > > to the public and that emboldened him to lie about making the > > > complaint, as he felt there'd be no " proof " . However, as I >stated, > > > it was added to the public record in one of the hearings. > > > > > > I would NEVER implicate someone in an issue unless I read with >my own > > > eyes that they were the person involved. I don't rejoice over >the > > > fact that did this. It saddens me, actually. I know >everyone > > > wants to believe he is just about the kids, but he is running a > > > business. I don't doubt there's a part of him that is very much > > > about the kids. I'm not saying he's all bad or all good. Some >have > > > indicated that he complained " if he did " because of his concerns > > > regarding safety - obviously the Board didn't find >anything " unsafe " > > > regading what we're doing, including the use of oxygen with the >mHBOT > > > chambers. The oversight they are requiring for the oxygen is > > > reasonable and something already in place for us, but I just >have to > > > formalize. I regulated myself from the moment I opened my doors >by > > > hiring all medical staff (not just CNA's as has blasted > > > before) I have an EMT who is full time, a Medical Assistant and >my > > > CNA is in nursing school! I also have 2 RN's on my Board and a >DAN! > > > physician. I follow best practices for sanitation and we watch > > > everyone pressurize/depressurize as well as make visual checks >every > > > 15 minutes - so I find him complaining because of " safety " as >not a > > > valid issue. They're approved for home use with NO medical >oversight > > > or personnel trained in CPR/first aid or beyond, anyway. The >Board > > > didn't even find that the chambers without oxygen needed any > > > oversight whatsoever. > > > > > > The Victory to me is that it's made mHBOT accessible and >therefore > > > affordable, to families in our State and those that will follow >this > > > ruling. If we had lost, then only physicians in our State would >have > > > access to mHBOT w/oxygen (as Chiro's can't write for oxygen in >our > > > State) or you'd have to buy a chamber for home (which can be >cost > > > prohibitive). Prior to my entering this market the price was >double > > > what it is now. That means to me, that twice as many families >can > > > now afford to treat their children and families have a choice of > > > where to treat. > > > > > > I hope that helps to clarify some things. Again, I wouldn't say > > > something that isn't true because I fear God. > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > Colleen > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: >12/07/2007 > > > 16:08 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I would appreciate that this group stay on focus, which is HBOT, not religion. Thank you >From: Ed Nemeth <nemeth@...> >Reply-medicaid >medicaid >Subject: [ ] Christians >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:32:54 -0700 > >le, > >As an American who has spent the last 17 years >abroad almost 1-2 weeks a month, I have to agree >with you on the judgmental hypocrisy aspect.... >but, that is everything that Christianity is >against. It is simply a human frailty. > >I think Ghandi said it right when billy Graham >asked him " what is the greatest challenge of Christianity expanding in >India? " > >Ghandi replied, " Christians. " > >So, while I defend the US and Christianity >greatly, I also acknowledge that all is not >perfect in the land of Oz. As, I am sure many people on this list do. > >But, you have to look at the differences of >Europe and the US. Virtually every war in Europe >for 2000 years was based on greed and used >religion as justification. We have yet to have >that war here. Europe is about to be destroyed by >Muslims because they cannot integrate into >society and become local citizens... they are >always cast aside by the caste system. Muslims >come to the US and become Americans and integrate into our society. > >Why? Because as a country founded on true >Christianity - not a particular church, but on >the Christian faith- we are required to allow >every person to seek their own God and worship that God as they see fit. > >Hence, Hindu's come here and keep that which is >dear to themselves but become Americans and adopt >our freedoms of tolerance. A Buddist can live >right next to a Baptist, and a Catholic and a >Muslim and a Jew. And, they are required to have >tolerance to each other. Our systems are good >for enforcing that - though they obviously have many other failures. > >In Europe they live in separate villages and >enclaves, and reside with themselves, separated >from upward mobility and plot on how they can over throw their government. > >Anyhow, I want to get off the subject and back to helping our kids. > >Take care, >Ed > > > >At 11:30 AM 7/17/2007, you wrote: > > >: > > > >As another American on this board, I agree with you. Must have been me > >living in Europe for 12 years. > > > >Religion is what you make it and my hats off to all of those who truly >walk > >in the shoes of those whom they believe in (whether it be Christ, >Mohammed, > >etc.). I have seen from my own experience (with close relatives) that too > >often it is only lip service. When the rubber hits the road and one would > >expect " Christians " to be there and step up. they all but disappeared. >The > >ones I knew before. Funny though, I have met some Christians that were > >complete strangers to me that truly live what they believe. > > > >Anyways, I am not religious, cannot believe in some otherwordly deity >that > >governs everything we do. However, I am very spiritual and believe in a >lot > >of the religious doctrines and principles. Notice I said religous and not > >necessarily Christian. Some of the greatest crimes of humanity have been > >committed in the name of Christianity, as they have been in the name of > >Islam. Doctrines and principles I believe in are common sense, such as do > >not kill, be good to thy neighbor, do not steal, make the world a better > >place, etc. If I would voice any type of religious belief, I probably >would > >have to side with the Far Eastern way of doing this. Look at people > >practicing buddhism, etc. Seems like they are some of the most peaceful >and > >at peace people they know. > > > >I probably get lots of hatemail for this, but so be it. Again, goes to >what > >I am saying being a Christian. Do not judge, do not cast the first stone, > >etc. My problem with organized religion is you are not welcomed to >question, > >to doubt, to do whatever. If you do, you are deemed a nonbeliever and >they > >feel sorry for you. > > > >I am at peace with the person that stares back at me when I look into the > >mirror. Because I have a very strong moral code (i.e. be a decent human > >being) which I practice every day of my life. I my religion is family, > >friends and making this world a better place. Mmmmm, seems like somebody > >that walked the Middle East a little more than 2,000 years ago was trying >to > >do that. > > > >Off my soapbox. Religion should be kept private. Anybody has the right to > >believe whatever they want to. Including people that do not believe. No > >reason to feel sorry for me. I am ok!!!!!! > > > >le > > Re: [ ] Complaint Filing > > > > > > > > Why oh why do Americans never stop bringing this God thing into > > > > everything? > > > > They can't have a cup of coffee without some comment about this > >God thing. > > > > It is just meaningless. Ok if your into this God stuff keep it > >to > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] Complaint Filing > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > The complaints can be filed anonomously - however, this one was > >not. > > > > The complaint does not request to be kept anonomous. I've been > > > > personally slammed by with his blatant lies concerning > >his > > > > lack of involvement, while I sit here and read his e-mail > >complaint! > > > > As far as the public record, you would have to read through the > > > > minutes from the actual board hearings. My lawyer brought up the > > > > complaintants motives and name at one of them - so it should be > >on > > > > the public record - at least that much, if not the actual > >letter. > > > > I'm not sure if I legally can release it to the public or > >otherwise I > > > > would. Maybe either knew the person on the Board he > > > > complained to and assumed anonimity or he knew I couldn't > >release it > > > > to the public and that emboldened him to lie about making the > > > > complaint, as he felt there'd be no " proof " . However, as I > >stated, > > > > it was added to the public record in one of the hearings. > > > > > > > > I would NEVER implicate someone in an issue unless I read with > >my own > > > > eyes that they were the person involved. I don't rejoice over > >the > > > > fact that did this. It saddens me, actually. I know > >everyone > > > > wants to believe he is just about the kids, but he is running a > > > > business. I don't doubt there's a part of him that is very much > > > > about the kids. I'm not saying he's all bad or all good. Some > >have > > > > indicated that he complained " if he did " because of his concerns > > > > regarding safety - obviously the Board didn't find > >anything " unsafe " > > > > regading what we're doing, including the use of oxygen with the > >mHBOT > > > > chambers. The oversight they are requiring for the oxygen is > > > > reasonable and something already in place for us, but I just > >have to > > > > formalize. I regulated myself from the moment I opened my doors > >by > > > > hiring all medical staff (not just CNA's as has blasted > > > > before) I have an EMT who is full time, a Medical Assistant and > >my > > > > CNA is in nursing school! I also have 2 RN's on my Board and a > >DAN! > > > > physician. I follow best practices for sanitation and we watch > > > > everyone pressurize/depressurize as well as make visual checks > >every > > > > 15 minutes - so I find him complaining because of " safety " as > >not a > > > > valid issue. They're approved for home use with NO medical > >oversight > > > > or personnel trained in CPR/first aid or beyond, anyway. The > >Board > > > > didn't even find that the chambers without oxygen needed any > > > > oversight whatsoever. > > > > > > > > The Victory to me is that it's made mHBOT accessible and > >therefore > > > > affordable, to families in our State and those that will follow > >this > > > > ruling. If we had lost, then only physicians in our State would > >have > > > > access to mHBOT w/oxygen (as Chiro's can't write for oxygen in > >our > > > > State) or you'd have to buy a chamber for home (which can be > >cost > > > > prohibitive). Prior to my entering this market the price was > >double > > > > what it is now. That means to me, that twice as many families > >can > > > > now afford to treat their children and families have a choice of > > > > where to treat. > > > > > > > > I hope that helps to clarify some things. Again, I wouldn't say > > > > something that isn't true because I fear God. > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > > > Colleen > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > >12/07/2007 > > > > 16:08 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 As Oliver said to Stanley: This is another fine mess you've gotten us into. As Stanley said to Oliver: Well aaI'l shut ma mouth. Yours [ ] Complaint Filing > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > The complaints can be filed anonomously - however, this one was > >not. > > > > The complaint does not request to be kept anonomous. I've been > > > > personally slammed by with his blatant lies concerning > >his > > > > lack of involvement, while I sit here and read his e-mail > >complaint! > > > > As far as the public record, you would have to read through the > > > > minutes from the actual board hearings. My lawyer brought up the > > > > complaintants motives and name at one of them - so it should be > >on > > > > the public record - at least that much, if not the actual > >letter. > > > > I'm not sure if I legally can release it to the public or > >otherwise I > > > > would. Maybe either knew the person on the Board he > > > > complained to and assumed anonimity or he knew I couldn't > >release it > > > > to the public and that emboldened him to lie about making the > > > > complaint, as he felt there'd be no " proof " . However, as I > >stated, > > > > it was added to the public record in one of the hearings. > > > > > > > > I would NEVER implicate someone in an issue unless I read with > >my own > > > > eyes that they were the person involved. I don't rejoice over > >the > > > > fact that did this. It saddens me, actually. I know > >everyone > > > > wants to believe he is just about the kids, but he is running a > > > > business. I don't doubt there's a part of him that is very much > > > > about the kids. I'm not saying he's all bad or all good. Some > >have > > > > indicated that he complained " if he did " because of his concerns > > > > regarding safety - obviously the Board didn't find > >anything " unsafe " > > > > regading what we're doing, including the use of oxygen with the > >mHBOT > > > > chambers. The oversight they are requiring for the oxygen is > > > > reasonable and something already in place for us, but I just > >have to > > > > formalize. I regulated myself from the moment I opened my doors > >by > > > > hiring all medical staff (not just CNA's as has blasted > > > > before) I have an EMT who is full time, a Medical Assistant and > >my > > > > CNA is in nursing school! I also have 2 RN's on my Board and a > >DAN! > > > > physician. I follow best practices for sanitation and we watch > > > > everyone pressurize/depressurize as well as make visual checks > >every > > > > 15 minutes - so I find him complaining because of " safety " as > >not a > > > > valid issue. They're approved for home use with NO medical > >oversight > > > > or personnel trained in CPR/first aid or beyond, anyway. The > >Board > > > > didn't even find that the chambers without oxygen needed any > > > > oversight whatsoever. > > > > > > > > The Victory to me is that it's made mHBOT accessible and > >therefore > > > > affordable, to families in our State and those that will follow > >this > > > > ruling. If we had lost, then only physicians in our State would > >have > > > > access to mHBOT w/oxygen (as Chiro's can't write for oxygen in > >our > > > > State) or you'd have to buy a chamber for home (which can be > >cost > > > > prohibitive). Prior to my entering this market the price was > >double > > > > what it is now. That means to me, that twice as many families > >can > > > > now afford to treat their children and families have a choice of > > > > where to treat. > > > > > > > > I hope that helps to clarify some things. Again, I wouldn't say > > > > something that isn't true because I fear God. > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > > > Colleen > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/898 - Release Date: > >12/07/2007 > > > > 16:08 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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