Re: Prayers for : oxygen as universal antidote

March 17, 2006

I have an Audio Digest tape for continuing medical education featuring an

emergency physician on the three universal antidotes: oxygen, dextrose, and

naloxone.

He says oxygen is the antidote to anything that causes hypoxia. You should

give it to just about everybody who's having an emergency, because you

really can't give too much! He wasn't talking about oxygen under pressure,

but even surface oxygen could help.

I had never heard it said this way before.

Re: [ ] Prayers for

Joanne & To All,

Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I really

helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we had a

few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and, is

home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days ago).

The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to accomplish,

even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would have

changed everything.

HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon and

all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4 hours

post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT chamber and

the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital HBOT

dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat . Lane

waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned did

not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not happen

when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval, nor

gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who could

answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had 8 Dr.s

in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

getting our feet on the ground.

stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that says it

all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning the

physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery room

and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well defined

and very tightly limited to physicians.

If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear of it.

Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

Blessings to All!

Ed

At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have you

>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

>Praying for you guys, Joanne

>

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March 18, 2006

Oxygen is of course used by physicians, but as a supplement to treatment and

not as a treatment. Hyperbaric oxygen is a treatment and not a supplement

to treatment. This is I believe the important difference. Oxygen applied

under pressure increases the dosage almost ten-fold. The high dosage

produces other vitally important effects which produce positive results in

the healing and repair process. I have a medical paper on the subject by

Professor Philip : " Oxygen, Genes, Inflammation and the treatment of

MS. " Please let me know if you would like me to email it.

Yours

Re: [ ] Prayers for

>

> Joanne & To All,

>

> Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I really

> helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we had a

> few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

>

> The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and, is

> home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days ago).

>

> The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to accomplish,

> even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

>

> However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would have

> changed everything.

>

> HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon and

> all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4 hours

> post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT chamber

> and

> the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital HBOT

> dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat . Lane

> waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned did

> not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not happen

> when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

>

> However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval, nor

> gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

> questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who could

> answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

>

> With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had 8

> Dr.s

> in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

> getting our feet on the ground.

>

> stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that says it

> all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning the

> physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery room

> and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

> beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

> prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

> dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well defined

> and very tightly limited to physicians.

>

> If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear of

> it.

>

> Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

>

> Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

>

> Blessings to All!

> Ed

>

> At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

>>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have you

>>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

>>Praying for you guys, Joanne

>>

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March 18, 2006

that is why i am having a home birth , and my condition for my gynecologist if i

need a c-section , i am leaving the hospital soon after the operation , i prefer

to be home and use my HBO chamber to heal fast .

love

viviane

http://www.snugglepie.com/cb/52040.png

Re: [ ] Prayers for

>

> Joanne & To All,

>

> Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I really

> helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we had a

> few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

>

> The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and, is

> home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days ago).

>

> The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to accomplish,

> even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

>

> However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would have

> changed everything.

>

> HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon and

> all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4 hours

> post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT chamber

> and

> the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital HBOT

> dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat . Lane

> waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned did

> not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not happen

> when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

>

> However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval, nor

> gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

> questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who could

> answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

>

> With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had 8

> Dr.s

> in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

> getting our feet on the ground.

>

> stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that says it

> all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning the

> physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery room

> and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

> beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

> prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

> dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well defined

> and very tightly limited to physicians.

>

> If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear of

> it.

>

> Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

>

> Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

>

> Blessings to All!

> Ed

>

> At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

>>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have you

>>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

>>Praying for you guys, Joanne

>>

>>________________________________________________________________________

>>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

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>>

March 18, 2006

I just read part of the earlier post that said you can't give too much

oxygen. But I think you can. I recently read an article by Dr. Harch which

expressed concern about how hbot is being used/misused recently. Pressures

over 1.5, multiple sessions in one day, and 80-100 sessions in a round. He

advised to stay within standard protoccols.

Also, IAHP did some research decades ago that found when you increase oxygen

by mask) to seizure patients, you get bigger and more intense

seizures---even though they hold that seizures are the brain's cry for more

oxygen. They eventually began using CO2 as a vasodilator (usually 20%) and

then the balance as oxygen. This dilates the blood vessels, whereas 100%

oxygen constricts them. Just another way too much oxygen can be harmful.

I think everything can be overdone---I'd be concerned about such an approach

as " you can't give too much " in any arena. Certainly oxygen can be toxic

and we need to be careful with it.

That said, Dawson has benefited ENORMOUSLY from the two rounds of hbot we've

done and we're looking for ways to finance more hbot on a more regular basis

for him. The chamber operator has always stayed within standard protoccols

and we only do 5 sessions a week. I'd hate to see someone be over-doing

hbot and damage the progress that has been made to try to get it approved.

This was also the reason Dr. Harch wrote the article.

Just my 2 cents.

BTW, Viviane, waaaaay cool that you can come home to a chamber. I know it

will speed your recovery! Wishing you a wonderful delivery,

On 3/18/06, Viviane , Micheal & Isabelle aziz <bella@...> wrote:

>

> that is why i am having a home birth , and my condition for my

> gynecologist if i need a c-section , i am leaving the hospital soon after

> the operation , i prefer to be home and use my HBO chamber to heal fast .

>

> love

> viviane

> http://www.snugglepie.com/cb/52040.png

>

> Re: [ ] Prayers for

> >

> > Joanne & To All,

> >

> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

> really

> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we

> had a

> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

> >

> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

> is

> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

> ago).

> >

> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

> accomplish,

> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

> >

> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would

> have

> > changed everything.

> >

> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon

> and

> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4

> hours

> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

> chamber

> > and

> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

> HBOT

> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat .

> Lane

> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

> did

> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

> happen

> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

> >

> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval,

> nor

> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who could

> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

> >

> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had 8

>

> > Dr.s

> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

> > getting our feet on the ground.

> >

> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

> says it

> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning

> the

> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery

> room

> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

> defined

> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

> >

> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear

> of

> > it.

> >

> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

> >

> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

> >

> > Blessings to All!

> > Ed

> >

> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have

> you

> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

> >>

>

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> >>

March 18, 2006

Dear Donna

" Certainly oxygen can be toxic "

No it certainly cannot be toxic at the levels we use being up to 2.0 atms.

There are no records of toxicty at 2.0 atms. As for seizures they are

reduced and often cease using hyperbaric oxygen at up to 2.0 atms.

I suppose everything can be overdone. The answer is don't overdo it. We

don't use oxygen improperly. The UK centres have been opeating for 23

years. No toxicity and no seizures.

Glad to hear you have good results.

Yours

Re: [ ] Prayers for

>> >

>> > Joanne & To All,

>> >

>> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

>> really

>> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we

>> had a

>> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

>> >

>> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

>>

>> is

>> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

>> ago).

>> >

>> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

>> accomplish,

>> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

>> >

>> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would

>> have

>> > changed everything.

>> >

>> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon

>> and

>> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4

>> hours

>> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

>> chamber

>> > and

>> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

>> HBOT

>> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat .

>> Lane

>> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

>>

>> did

>> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

>> happen

>> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

>> >

>> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval,

>> nor

>> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

>> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who

>> could

>> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

>> >

>> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had

>> 8

>>

>> > Dr.s

>> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

>> > getting our feet on the ground.

>> >

>> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

>> says it

>> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning

>> the

>> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery

>> room

>> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

>> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

>> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

>> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

>> defined

>> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

>> >

>> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear

>> of

>> > it.

>> >

>> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

>> >

>> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

>> >

>> > Blessings to All!

>> > Ed

>> >

>> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

>> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have

>> you

>> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

>> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

>> >>

>>

>> >>________________________________________________________________________

>> >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

>> >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

>> >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

>> >>

March 18, 2006

---

We are agreeing. I was just pointing out that in the post it said you can't

give too much oxygen. Your point about not over-doing is exactly what Dr.

Harch's article was saying.

On 3/18/06, Fox- <xristlin@...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Donna

>

> " Certainly oxygen can be toxic "

>

> No it certainly cannot be toxic at the levels we use being up to 2.0 atms.

>

> There are no records of toxicty at 2.0 atms. As for seizures they are

> reduced and often cease using hyperbaric oxygen at up to 2.0 atms.

>

> I suppose everything can be overdone. The answer is don't overdo it. We

> don't use oxygen improperly. The UK centres have been opeating for 23

> years. No toxicity and no seizures.

>

> Glad to hear you have good results.

>

> Yours

>

> Re: [ ] Prayers for

> >> >

> >> > Joanne & To All,

> >> >

> >> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

> >> really

> >> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we

> >> had a

> >> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

> >> >

> >> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

> >>

> >> is

> >> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

> >> ago).

> >> >

> >> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

> >> accomplish,

> >> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

> >> >

> >> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT

> would

> >> have

> >> > changed everything.

> >> >

> >> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The

> surgeon

> >> and

> >> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4

> >> hours

> >> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

> >> chamber

> >> > and

> >> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

> >> HBOT

> >> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat

> .

> >> Lane

> >> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

> >>

> >> did

> >> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

> >> happen

> >> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

> >> >

> >> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final

> approval,

> >> nor

> >> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask

> any

> >> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who

> >> could

> >> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

> >> >

> >> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and

> had

> >> 8

> >>

> >> > Dr.s

> >> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just

> now

> >> > getting our feet on the ground.

> >> >

> >> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

> >> says it

> >> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter

> manning

> >> the

> >> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the

> recovery

> >> room

> >> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been

> very

> >> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other

> actively

> >> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

> >> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

> >> defined

> >> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

> >> >

> >> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to

> hear

> >> of

> >> > it.

> >> >

> >> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

> >> >

> >> > Blessings to All!

> >> > Ed

> >> >

> >> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

> >> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th?

> Have

> >> you

> >> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

> >> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

> >> >>

> >>

> >>________________________________________________________________________

> >> >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

> >> >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

> >> >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

> >> >>

March 18, 2006

The ER doctor was talking about surface oxygen, not HBOT, as I thought I

made perfectly clear.

Some would argue against giving too much to carbon dioxide-retaining chronic

lung disease patients, but that is a very special case.

Re: [ ] Prayers for : oxygen as " universal

antidote "

---

We are agreeing. I was just pointing out that in the post it said you can't

give too much oxygen. Your point about not over-doing is exactly what Dr.

Harch's article was saying.

March 18, 2006

I have listened to the debates on this and yes there is a such thing as

oxygen toxicity in fact Dr. Harch the leading authority in my observation on

hyperbarics today has written an article on this to be exact. i have sen it

many times. Blocks of 40 if you do more than that you often run ito this

problem. You don't really see it unless you no what to look for. Often kid's

become very athitoide I hope I spelt that right. and even agitatied. It is

common but not often noticced. Many times because the parents are trying to

get the sessions in on a lesser amount of time. Donna how are you I have

been meaning to call you. I miss you dearly and thank you so much for the

gift you left. I have looked it over so many times. Your such a blessing to

me and my family.

Darin

Re: [ ] Prayers for

>> >> >

>> >> > Joanne & To All,

>> >> >

>> >> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

>> >> really

>> >> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather

>> >> we

>> >> had a

>> >> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great

>> >> concern.

>> >> >

>> >> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

>> >>

>> >> is

>> >> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

>> >> ago).

>> >> >

>> >> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

>> >> accomplish,

>> >> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

>> >> >

>> >> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT

>> would

>> >> have

>> >> > changed everything.

>> >> >

>> >> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The

>> surgeon

>> >> and

>> >> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for

>> >> 3-4

>> >> hours

>> >> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

>> >> chamber

>> >> > and

>> >> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

>> >> HBOT

>> >> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat

>> .

>> >> Lane

>> >> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

>> >>

>> >> did

>> >> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

>> >> happen

>> >> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

>> >> >

>> >> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final

>> approval,

>> >> nor

>> >> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask

>> any

>> >> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who

>> >> could

>> >> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been

>> >> asked.

>> >> >

>> >> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and

>> had

>> >> 8

>> >>

>> >> > Dr.s

>> >> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just

>> now

>> >> > getting our feet on the ground.

>> >> >

>> >> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

>> >> says it

>> >> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter

>> manning

>> >> the

>> >> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the

>> recovery

>> >> room

>> >> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been

>> very

>> >> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other

>> actively

>> >> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

>> >> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

>> >> defined

>> >> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

>> >> >

>> >> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to

>> hear

>> >> of

>> >> > it.

>> >> >

>> >> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

>> >> >

>> >> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

>> >> >

>> >> > Blessings to All!

>> >> > Ed

>> >> >

>> >> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

>> >> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th?

>> Have

>> >> you

>> >> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

>> >> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

>> >> >>

>> >>

>> >>________________________________________________________________________

>> >> >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

>> >> >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

>> >> >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

>> >> >>

March 19, 2006

OK . Thanks.

Yours

Re: [ ] Prayers for

>> >> >

>> >> > Joanne & To All,

>> >> >

>> >> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

>> >> really

>> >> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather

>> >> we

>> >> had a

>> >> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great

>> >> concern.

>> >> >

>> >> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

>> >>

>> >> is

>> >> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

>> >> ago).

>> >> >

>> >> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

>> >> accomplish,

>> >> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

>> >> >

>> >> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT

>> would

>> >> have

>> >> > changed everything.

>> >> >

>> >> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The

>> surgeon

>> >> and

>> >> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for

>> >> 3-4

>> >> hours

>> >> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

>> >> chamber

>> >> > and

>> >> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

>> >> HBOT

>> >> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat

>> .

>> >> Lane

>> >> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

>> >>

>> >> did

>> >> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

>> >> happen

>> >> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

>> >> >

>> >> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final

>> approval,

>> >> nor

>> >> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask

>> any

>> >> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who

>> >> could

>> >> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been

>> >> asked.

>> >> >

>> >> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and

>> had

>> >> 8

>> >>

>> >> > Dr.s

>> >> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just

>> now

>> >> > getting our feet on the ground.

>> >> >

>> >> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

>> >> says it

>> >> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter

>> manning

>> >> the

>> >> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the

>> recovery

>> >> room

>> >> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been

>> very

>> >> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other

>> actively

>> >> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

>> >> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

>> >> defined

>> >> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

>> >> >

>> >> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to

>> hear

>> >> of

>> >> > it.

>> >> >

>> >> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

>> >> >

>> >> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

>> >> >

>> >> > Blessings to All!

>> >> > Ed

>> >> >

>> >> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

>> >> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th?

>> Have

>> >> you

>> >> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

>> >> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

>> >> >>

>> >>

>> >>________________________________________________________________________

>> >> >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

>> >> >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

>> >> >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

>> >> >>

March 19, 2006

Dear ,

Would it be possible to e-mail to me the article by Dr. " Oxygen,

Genes, Inflammation and the treatment of MS " ? Thanks, Judy

judith_burkholder@...

>From: " Viviane , Micheal & Isabelle aziz " <bella@...>

>Reply-medicaid

><medicaid >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Prayers for : oxygen as " universal

>antidote "

>Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:10:17 -0000

>

>that is why i am having a home birth , and my condition for my gynecologist

>if i need a c-section , i am leaving the hospital soon after the operation

>, i prefer to be home and use my HBO chamber to heal fast .

>

>love

>viviane

>http://www.snugglepie.com/cb/52040.png

>

> Re: [ ] Prayers for

> >

> > Joanne & To All,

> >

> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

>really

> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we

>had a

> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

> >

> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

>is

> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

>ago).

> >

> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

>accomplish,

> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

> >

> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would

>have

> > changed everything.

> >

> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon

>and

> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4

>hours

> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

>chamber

> > and

> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

>HBOT

> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat .

>Lane

> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

>did

> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

>happen

> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

> >

> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval,

>nor

> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who could

> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

> >

> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had 8

> > Dr.s

> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

> > getting our feet on the ground.

> >

> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

>says it

> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning

>the

> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery

>room

> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

>defined

> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

> >

> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear

>of

> > it.

> >

> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

> >

> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

> >

> > Blessings to All!

> > Ed

> >

> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have

>you

> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

> >>

>

> >>________________________________________________________________________

> >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

> >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

> >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

> >>

March 19, 2006

This is not the article judith is asking for, but here is a reference to Dr.

Harch's article I was referring to earlier in the conversation. (Cleaning

off my desk and chanced across it) It is in The Pressure Point February

2005, Volume 6, Issue 2, " More is Better: The Recurrent Illusion of Higher

Pressure HBOT in Chronic Brain Injury. " Hope this helps.

On 3/19/06, judith burkholder <judith_burkholder@...> wrote:

>

> Dear ,

> Would it be possible to e-mail to me the article by Dr. " Oxygen,

> Genes, Inflammation and the treatment of MS " ? Thanks, Judy

> judith_burkholder@...

>

> >From: " Viviane , Micheal & Isabelle aziz " <bella@...>

> >Reply-medicaid

> ><medicaid >

>

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Prayers for : oxygen as " universal

> >antidote "

> >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:10:17 -0000

>

> >

> >that is why i am having a home birth , and my condition for my

> gynecologist

> >if i need a c-section , i am leaving the hospital soon after the

> operation

> >, i prefer to be home and use my HBO chamber to heal fast .

> >

> >love

> >viviane

> >http://www.snugglepie.com/cb/52040.png

> >

> > Re: [ ] Prayers for

> > >

> > > Joanne & To All,

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

> >really

> > > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we

> >had a

> > > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

> > >

> > > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

>

> >is

> > > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

> >ago).

> > >

> > > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

> >accomplish,

> > > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

> > >

> > > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would

>

> >have

> > > changed everything.

> > >

> > > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The

> surgeon

> >and

> > > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4

> >hours

> > > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

> >chamber

> > > and

> > > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

> >HBOT

> > > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat

> .

> >Lane

> > > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

>

> >did

> > > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

> >happen

> > > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

> > >

> > > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final

> approval,

> >nor

> > > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

> > > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who

> could

> > > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

> > >

> > > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had

> 8

> > > Dr.s

> > > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

> > > getting our feet on the ground.

> > >

> > > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

> >says it

> > > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning

>

> >the

> > > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the

> recovery

> >room

> > > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been

> very

> > > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other

> actively

> > > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

> > > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

> >defined

> > > and very tightly limited to physicians.

> > >

> > > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to

> hear

> >of

> > > it.

> > >

> > > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

> > >

> > > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

> > >

> > > Blessings to All!

> > > Ed

> > >

> > > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

> > >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th?

> Have

> >you

> > >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

> > >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

> > >>

> >

> >>________________________________________________________________________

> > >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

> > >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

> > >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

> > >>

March 20, 2006

Dear Judith

Here it is attached. Another first class paper by Phiip .

Yours

Re: [ ] Prayers for

>> >

>> > Joanne & To All,

>> >

>> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

>>really

>> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we

>>had a

>> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

>> >

>> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

>>

>>is

>> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

>>ago).

>> >

>> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

>>accomplish,

>> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

>> >

>> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would

>>have

>> > changed everything.

>> >

>> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon

>>and

>> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4

>>hours

>> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

>>chamber

>> > and

>> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

>>HBOT

>> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat .

>>Lane

>> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

>>

>>did

>> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

>>happen

>> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

>> >

>> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval,

>>nor

>> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

>> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who

>> could

>> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

>> >

>> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had

>> 8

>> > Dr.s

>> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

>> > getting our feet on the ground.

>> >

>> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

>>says it

>> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning

>>the

>> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery

>>room

>> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

>> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

>> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

>> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

>>defined

>> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

>> >

>> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear

>>of

>> > it.

>> >

>> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

>> >

>> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

>> >

>> > Blessings to All!

>> > Ed

>> >

>> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

>> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have

>>you

>> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

>> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

>> >>

>>

>> >>________________________________________________________________________

>> >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

>> >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

>> >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

>> >>

March 20, 2006

Dear Judith

Done.

Yours

Re: [ ] Prayers for

>> >

>> > Joanne & To All,

>> >

>> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

>>really

>> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we

>>had a

>> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

>> >

>> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

>>

>>is

>> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

>>ago).

>> >

>> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

>>accomplish,

>> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

>> >

>> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would

>>have

>> > changed everything.

>> >

>> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon

>>and

>> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4

>>hours

>> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

>>chamber

>> > and

>> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

>>HBOT

>> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat .

>>Lane

>> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

>>

>>did

>> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

>>happen

>> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

>> >

>> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval,

>>nor

>> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

>> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who

>> could

>> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

>> >

>> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had

>> 8

>> > Dr.s

>> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

>> > getting our feet on the ground.

>> >

>> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

>>says it

>> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning

>>the

>> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery

>>room

>> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

>> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

>> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

>> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

>>defined

>> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

>> >

>> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear

>>of

>> > it.

>> >

>> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

>> >

>> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

>> >

>> > Blessings to All!

>> > Ed

>> >

>> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

>> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have

>>you

>> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

>> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

>> >>

>>

>> >>________________________________________________________________________

>> >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

>> >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

>> >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

>> >>

March 20, 2006

Me too

navydoc44@...

Thanks

Todd

judith burkholder <judith_burkholder@...> wrote:

Dear ,

Would it be possible to e-mail to me the article by Dr. " Oxygen,

Genes, Inflammation and the treatment of MS " ? Thanks, Judy

judith_burkholder@...

>From: " Viviane , Micheal & Isabelle aziz " <bella@...>

>Reply-medicaid

><medicaid >

>Subject: Re: [ ] Prayers for : oxygen as " universal

>antidote "

>Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:10:17 -0000

>

>that is why i am having a home birth , and my condition for my gynecologist

>if i need a c-section , i am leaving the hospital soon after the operation

>, i prefer to be home and use my HBO chamber to heal fast .

>

>love

>viviane

>http://www.snugglepie.com/cb/52040.png

>

> Re: [ ] Prayers for

> >

> > Joanne & To All,

> >

> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

>really

> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we

>had a

> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

> >

> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

>is

> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

>ago).

> >

> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

>accomplish,

> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

> >

> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would

>have

> > changed everything.

> >

> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon

>and

> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4

>hours

> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

>chamber

> > and

> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

>HBOT

> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat .

>Lane

> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

>did

> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

>happen

> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

> >

> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval,

>nor

> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who could

> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

> >

> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had 8

> > Dr.s

> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

> > getting our feet on the ground.

> >

> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

>says it

> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning

>the

> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery

>room

> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

>defined

> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

> >

> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear

>of

> > it.

> >

> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

> >

> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

> >

> > Blessings to All!

> > Ed

> >

> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have

>you

> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

> >>

>

> >>________________________________________________________________________

> >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

> >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

> >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

> >>

March 20, 2006

,

I agree with your points. thank you.

However, the core issue that is being missed here is that an Administrative

Person interceded and interfered with the " physician - patient

relationship " which is unethical virtually everywhere; illegal most places

and specifically illegal in California. Further, such actions in

California are specifically deemed practicing medicine without a license

under :

Business and Professions Code Sections 2052; 2286; 2400-2417; 13400-13410;

requiring fines of $10,000 per incident and possible jail terms.

had prescriptions from her primary HBOT physician (Dr. K. Stoller),

support from her surgeon, and a history of need. Further, she even had

support from the St. Francis' Hospital HBOT department for the treatments;

and approval for release and transportation from UCSF Children's Hosp. by

her surgeon and the supporting nursing staff. And, she had ambulance

transportation lined up and ready to go.

The problem was the Hospital Admin specifically interfered with the HBOT

administration and thereby denied all the medical activities pursued by

these physicians, and caused a life threatening situation to occur.

Regarding your point which is factual, but not necessarily pertinent, we

did provide an OxyHeal low pressure chamber to the hospital (it is approved

for hospital use). So, if the hospital had problems with transportation

(1.3 miles to St. Francis Hosp.), or even the higher pressure treatments

(2.4 ATA) recommended by the experienced specialized hyperbarists, we still

would have specifically avoided those issues by using the low pressure

chamber. And, Lane was available to provide the prescribed services

and has all the certifications required by the hospital and much more.

In short, we met every requirement presented to us by the hospital

administration lay people... and far more than required by the

physicians... who actually had authority over 's care.

was receiving oxygen by the hospital for 5 days and according to

the UHMS, pressures under 1.5 ATA (Actually I think 1.75 ATA) do not

constitute HBOT. Look at their responses to the McGill study during the

Int'l Congress of Hyperbaric Medicine that I sponsored, as well as other

publication they have presented. 1.3 ATA air is a control treatment / placebo.

They cannot have it both ways. Either 1.3 ATA is not HBOT, or it

demonstrated highly successful responses in brain injured children.

Regardless, there is no basis for any interference in a physicians

recommendation by a layperson in this case, or in any other case. It was,

is and will remain illegal in California.

Best Regards,

Ed Nemeth

At 05:05 AM 3/18/2006, you wrote:

>Oxygen is of course used by physicians, but as a supplement to treatment and

>not as a treatment. Hyperbaric oxygen is a treatment and not a supplement

>to treatment. This is I believe the important difference. Oxygen applied

>under pressure increases the dosage almost ten-fold. The high dosage

>produces other vitally important effects which produce positive results in

>the healing and repair process. I have a medical paper on the subject by

>Professor Philip : " Oxygen, Genes, Inflammation and the treatment of

>MS. " Please let me know if you would like me to email it.

>

>Yours

>

> Re: [ ] Prayers for

> >

> > Joanne & To All,

> >

> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I really

> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we had a

> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

> >

> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and, is

> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days ago).

> >

> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to accomplish,

> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

> >

> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would have

> > changed everything.

> >

> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon and

> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4 hours

> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT chamber

> > and

> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital HBOT

> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat . Lane

> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned did

> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not happen

> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

> >

> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval, nor

> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who could

> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

> >

> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had 8

> > Dr.s

> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

> > getting our feet on the ground.

> >

> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that says it

> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning the

> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery room

> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well defined

> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

> >

> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear of

> > it.

> >

> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

> >

> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

> >

> > Blessings to All!

> > Ed

> >

> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have you

> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

> >>

> >>________________________________________________________________________

> >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

> >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

> >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

> >>

March 20, 2006

Donna,

I agree with Dr. Harch for the most part and have had several private

discussions with him on that.

When did 100 sessions in Florida she was treated at 1.75 ATA BID 6

days per week for each of her HBTO groups (40; 35; 25 sessions respectively)

Towards the end of 100 sessions she specifically did not want HBOT in the

afternoons, although she did continue with the morning sessions.

So, there is something to oxygen toxicity, or my good friend as Dr. Fojgel

calls it " Oxygen Sensitivity " .

However, the question really is at what point is HBOT challenging, or

supportive? There are no dosing studies done anywhere on HBOT.

Recently in the Hyperbaric Oxygen Clinic of Sacramento, we have had a very

severe TBI patient who started at another clinic at 1.75 doing 60 sessions

per group. She asked to stay on that schedule. Since she was a practicing

Veterinarian, and was well aware of HBOT for race horse foals (they are

valuable and are treated right after difficult births); she was given the

treatments as she desired.

She has shown unbelievable results. In fact, some of the best HBOT results

I have seen in these clinics.

So, I have to say, I am not so sure that 1.75 ATA is so bad. Possibly 1/day

5 days/week it is ok. Possibly with adults verses children.

This should be viewed with the recently reported results from the U. Penn

Medical School that HBOT (above 1.5 ATA) supported an 8 fold increase in

natural stem cells. Does this higher HBTo pressure help these patients that

much more? I don't know. But, it makes some sense. Certainly more valid

studies will be helpful.

The issue is that while we all know that HBOT works, the dosing remains

almost unstudied.

The CHERISH Foundation hopes to study dosing, as well as repeat highly

successful international studies like the Chinese Seizure study. WE are

making some head way to implement an initial autism study with a main

stream medical partner - the MIND Institute - but lack $50,000 to complete

it. The seizure study will follow.

Thanks for your support!

Ed

At 05:44 AM 3/18/2006, you wrote:

>I just read part of the earlier post that said you can't give too much

>oxygen. But I think you can. I recently read an article by Dr. Harch which

>expressed concern about how hbot is being used/misused recently. Pressures

>over 1.5, multiple sessions in one day, and 80-100 sessions in a round. He

>advised to stay within standard protoccols.

>

>Also, IAHP did some research decades ago that found when you increase oxygen

>by mask) to seizure patients, you get bigger and more intense

>seizures---even though they hold that seizures are the brain's cry for more

>oxygen. They eventually began using CO2 as a vasodilator (usually 20%) and

>then the balance as oxygen. This dilates the blood vessels, whereas 100%

>oxygen constricts them. Just another way too much oxygen can be harmful.

>

>I think everything can be overdone---I'd be concerned about such an approach

>as " you can't give too much " in any arena. Certainly oxygen can be toxic

>and we need to be careful with it.

>

>That said, Dawson has benefited ENORMOUSLY from the two rounds of hbot we've

>done and we're looking for ways to finance more hbot on a more regular basis

>for him. The chamber operator has always stayed within standard protoccols

>and we only do 5 sessions a week. I'd hate to see someone be over-doing

>hbot and damage the progress that has been made to try to get it approved.

>This was also the reason Dr. Harch wrote the article.

>

>Just my 2 cents.

>

>BTW, Viviane, waaaaay cool that you can come home to a chamber. I know it

>will speed your recovery! Wishing you a wonderful delivery,

>

>On 3/18/06, Viviane , Micheal & Isabelle aziz <bella@...> wrote:

> >

> > that is why i am having a home birth , and my condition for my

> > gynecologist if i need a c-section , i am leaving the hospital soon after

> > the operation , i prefer to be home and use my HBO chamber to heal fast .

> >

> > love

> > viviane

> > http://www.snugglepie.com/cb/52040.png

> >

> > Re: [ ] Prayers for

> > >

> > > Joanne & To All,

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I

> > really

> > > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we

> > had a

> > > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

> > >

> > > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and,

> > is

> > > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days

> > ago).

> > >

> > > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to

> > accomplish,

> > > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

> > >

> > > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would

> > have

> > > changed everything.

> > >

> > > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon

> > and

> > > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4

> > hours

> > > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT

> > chamber

> > > and

> > > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital

> > HBOT

> > > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat .

> > Lane

> > > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned

> > did

> > > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not

> > happen

> > > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

> > >

> > > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval,

> > nor

> > > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

> > > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who could

> > > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

> > >

> > > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had 8

> >

> > > Dr.s

> > > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

> > > getting our feet on the ground.

> > >

> > > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that

> > says it

> > > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning

> > the

> > > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery

> > room

> > > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

> > > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

> > > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

> > > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well

> > defined

> > > and very tightly limited to physicians.

> > >

> > > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear

> > of

> > > it.

> > >

> > > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

> > >

> > > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

> > >

> > > Blessings to All!

> > > Ed

> > >

> > > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

> > >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have

> > you

> > >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

> > >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

> > >>

> >

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March 20, 2006

Jane,

I would love to hear or get a copy of this Audio Digest tape.

I hope you are doing very well!

Thanks,

Ed

At 07:23 PM 3/17/2006, you wrote:

>I have an Audio Digest tape for continuing medical education featuring an

>emergency physician on the three universal antidotes: oxygen, dextrose, and

>naloxone.

>

>He says oxygen is the antidote to anything that causes hypoxia. You should

>give it to just about everybody who's having an emergency, because you

>really can't give too much! He wasn't talking about oxygen under pressure,

>but even surface oxygen could help.

>

>I had never heard it said this way before.

>

> Re: [ ] Prayers for

>

>Joanne & To All,

>

>Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I really

>helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we had a

>few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

>

>The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and, is

>home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days ago).

>

>The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to accomplish,

>even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

>

>However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would have

>changed everything.

>

>HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon and

>all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4 hours

>post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT chamber and

>the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital HBOT

>dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat . Lane

> waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned did

>not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not happen

>when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

>

>However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval, nor

>gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

>questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who could

>answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

>

>With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had 8 Dr.s

>in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

>getting our feet on the ground.

>

> stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that says it

>all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning the

>physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery room

>and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

>beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

>prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

>dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well defined

>and very tightly limited to physicians.

>

>If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear of it.

>

>Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

>

>Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

>

>Blessings to All!

>Ed

>

>At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

> >Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have you

> >been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

> >Praying for you guys, Joanne

> >

> >________________________________________________________________________

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March 20, 2006

PS I too would like DR. ' paper.

Thanks,

Ed

At 05:05 AM 3/18/2006, you wrote:

>Oxygen is of course used by physicians, but as a supplement to treatment and

>not as a treatment. Hyperbaric oxygen is a treatment and not a supplement

>to treatment. This is I believe the important difference. Oxygen applied

>under pressure increases the dosage almost ten-fold. The high dosage

>produces other vitally important effects which produce positive results in

>the healing and repair process. I have a medical paper on the subject by

>Professor Philip : " Oxygen, Genes, Inflammation and the treatment of

>MS. " Please let me know if you would like me to email it.

>

>Yours

>

> Re: [ ] Prayers for

> >

> > Joanne & To All,

> >

> > Thank you very much for your prayers and concerns for ! I really

> > helped us through this time. It was not a straight shot, rather we had a

> > few really rough moments at the hospital that caused great concern.

> >

> > The surgery itself appears to have been very successful. and, is

> > home and today was her first more normal day (surgery was 10 days ago).

> >

> > The surgeon was exceptionally pleased with what he was able to accomplish,

> > even though it went for 7 hours instead of 5.

> >

> > However, the recovery was challenging, to say the least. HBOT would have

> > changed everything.

> >

> > HBOT did not occur and would have alleviated the crises. The surgeon and

> > all of 's Dr's prescribed and advocated HBOT for 3-4 hours

> > post surgery. Samir Patel provided us with a low pressure HBOT chamber

> > and

> > the hospital was actually able to convince the St Francis Hospital HBOT

> > dept. (1.3 miles from Children's Hosp.) to accept and treat . Lane

> > waited in the waiting room for 3 hours before we learned did

> > not have approval for the low HBOT. (We only learned it would not happen

> > when we found out the lawyer went home for the evening).

> >

> > However, the hospital council (lawyer) never gave the final approval, nor

> > gave any word whatsoever during this process. They did not ask any

> > questions, and did not call any of the references I provided who could

> > answer all the medical questions that could/should have been asked.

> >

> > With this, on Wednes. night we did have fairly severe crisis and had 8

> > Dr.s

> > in her room for 3 hours. We had trouble since then and are just now

> > getting our feet on the ground.

> >

> > stayed 7 days in the hospital rather than 4. I think that says it

> > all about the lawyer practicing medicine by actively counter manning the

> > physicians prescriptions. did receive oxygen in the recovery room

> > and the doctors agreed that a little more oxygen would have been very

> > beneficial and provided the prescription. I know of no other actively

> > prescribed medicine where a non-physician would counterman the

> > dosage. Esp. in California where physician's activities are well defined

> > and very tightly limited to physicians.

> >

> > If anyone knows of such an action anyplace else, I would like to hear of

> > it.

> >

> > Regardless, is doing well and is reasonably comfortable.

> >

> > Thanks again for your concerns and prayers.

> >

> > Blessings to All!

> > Ed

> >

> > At 07:33 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:

> >>Hi Ed, How is doing? How did her surgery go on the 7th? Have you

> >>been able to get her back into a chamber yet?

> >>Praying for you guys, Joanne

> >>

> >>________________________________________________________________________

> >>Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

> >>Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

> >>Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

> >>

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