Re: Indications decided by insurance companies

March 21, 2006

Dear Judith

How unfortunate, shocking even, it is that the insurance companies decide

who gets medical treatment and not the doctors.

Yours

Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

>>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

>>

>>Marguerite,

>>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it at your own

>>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the prescription.

>>

>>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured child " and

>>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

>>

>>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His injury was from a

>>true knot in the umbilical cord.

>>

>>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

>> >

>> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of treating closed

>> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My son's

>>neurologist

>> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script for it...he

>>doesn't

>> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same breath, he said

>> > if

>>he

>> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost 25 yrs old

>> > and

>>had

>> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be greatly

>>appreciated.

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> > Marguerite

>> >

>> > ________________________________________________________________________

>> > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

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>> >

March 21, 2006

Insurance companies do not determine medical treatment---physicians do.

Insurance companies determine reimbursement or financial payment. We have

been treating Dawson's brain injury with a penny from insurance, but he has

still been treated.

On 3/21/06, Fox- <xristlin@...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Judith

>

> How unfortunate, shocking even, it is that the insurance companies decide

> who gets medical treatment and not the doctors.

>

> Yours

>

> Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

> >>

> >>Marguerite,

> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it at your own

> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the prescription.

> >>

> >>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured child "

> and

> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

> >>

> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His injury was from

> a

> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

> >>

> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of treating

> closed

> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My son's

> >>neurologist

> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script for it...he

> >>doesn't

> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same breath, he said

>

> >> > if

> >>he

> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost 25 yrs old

> >> > and

> >>had

> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be greatly

> >>appreciated.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks

> >> > Marguerite

> >> >

> ________________________________________________________________________

> >> > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

> >> > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

> >> > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

> >> >

March 25, 2006

Dear Donna

Ok thanks but correct me if I am wrong, I thought the insurance companies

in the USA had a list of indications and contraindications for oxygenation

treatment and if they say they will not pay for this or that there is no

further argument. You will have to allow for my finding the American system

of health care and medicine extremely difficult to understand. I understand

that 48% of the US population has no medical insurance of any kind. In the

UK these problems of medical insurance do not exist. Everyone pays a

proportion towards to the NHS National Health Service. Employees and

employers. It is a vast bureaucracy and of course there are continuous

problems since demand is infinite and resources are finite. Everyone is

entitled by law established to receive medical treatment according to need

and not according to ability to pay. For example in 1979 I awoke with

severe stomach pains. I staggered into a hospital. One week later I left

minus appendix. No one asked me for evidence of insurance and that is how

it has been all my life. God help any government which tries to demolish

the NHS!!

Yours

Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

>> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

>> >>

>> >>Marguerite,

>> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it at your

>> >>own

>> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the prescription.

>> >>

>> >>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured child "

>> and

>> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

>> >>

>> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His injury was

>> >>from

>> a

>> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

>> >>

>> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of treating

>> closed

>> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My son's

>> >>neurologist

>> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script for it...he

>> >>doesn't

>> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same breath, he

>> >> > said

>>

>> >> > if

>> >>he

>> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost 25 yrs old

>> >> > and

>> >>had

>> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be greatly

>> >>appreciated.

>> >> >

>> >> > Thanks

>> >> > Marguerite

>> >> >

>> ________________________________________________________________________

>> >> > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

>> >> > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

>> >> > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

>> >> >

March 25, 2006

,

I don't know the statitics on health insurance. I am VERY sure these

numbers are manipulated to justify whomever is using them.

I will not get into an argument are socialized vs privatized medicine. But

I am quite curious about why you persist as a member of a group that is

dedicated solely to a US issue when you are in the UK. I do wonder what you

get out of it. Your opinion of the US and its medical care system is less

than worthless to me.

Bottom line: insurance companies enforce the contract by which they are

bound. They are not charitable organizations but businesses. They do NOT

decide treatment---only payment. Patients can get any treatment they want,

but have to make their own payment arrangements via their insurance company

or other means.

Dawson's alternatives have not been paid for by insurance. We are not

wealthy, but sometimes struggle---especially considering our large family's

needs. We have always been very blessed and been able to make whatever we

needed for Dawson happen. Darin can attest to this---he's met Dawson and

me.

I care very much about availability in the US, and am anxious for many to be

blessed by hbot. I appreciate learning from the educated professionals. I

have been dead wrong about some things and I'm grateful to those who have

taken the time to teach me about hbot. They have helped my family

tremendously. Your atagonistic comments on topics do not fall into that

category.

On 3/25/06, Fox- <xristlin@...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Donna

>

> Ok thanks but correct me if I am wrong, I thought the insurance companies

>

> in the USA had a list of indications and contraindications for oxygenation

>

> treatment and if they say they will not pay for this or that there is no

> further argument. You will have to allow for my finding the American

> system

> of health care and medicine extremely difficult to understand. I

> understand

> that 48% of the US population has no medical insurance of any kind. In

> the

> UK these problems of medical insurance do not exist. Everyone pays a

> proportion towards to the NHS National Health Service. Employees and

> employers. It is a vast bureaucracy and of course there are continuous

> problems since demand is infinite and resources are finite. Everyone is

> entitled by law established to receive medical treatment according to need

>

> and not according to ability to pay. For example in 1979 I awoke with

> severe stomach pains. I staggered into a hospital. One week later I left

> minus appendix. No one asked me for evidence of insurance and that is

> how

> it has been all my life. God help any government which tries to demolish

> the NHS!!

>

> Yours

>

> Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

> >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

> >> >>

> >> >>Marguerite,

> >> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it at your

> >> >>own

> >> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the

> prescription.

> >> >>

> >> >>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured child "

> >> and

> >> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

> >> >>

> >> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His injury was

> >> >>from

> >> a

> >> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

> >> >>

> >> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of treating

> >> closed

> >> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My son's

> >> >>neurologist

> >> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script for

> it...he

> >> >>doesn't

> >> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same breath, he

> >> >> > said

> >>

> >> >> > if

> >> >>he

> >> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost 25 yrs

> old

> >> >> > and

> >> >>had

> >> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be greatly

> >> >>appreciated.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Thanks

> >> >> > Marguerite

> >> >> >

> >>

> ________________________________________________________________________

> >> >> > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

> >> >> > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

> >> >> > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

> >> >> >

March 25, 2006

wouldn't it be ideal if we could contract with the insurance company to

cover the services that WE choose rather than what they determine they will

cover?

For instance, rather than the insurance company paying out thousands of

dollars for:

dorsal rhisiotomies

severed hamstrings

baclofen pumps

botox

diminutive amounts of PT OT & speech therapy

multitude of drugs

etc.

wouldn't it be more cost effective for them to allow us to receive the

treatments we desire for our children? I know that at this time it is a

mute issue, but unfortunately even when my doctor recommends a treatment for

a specific diagnosis, the insurance company has the power to nix that the

payment(reimbursement) for that treatment and in most instances for most

people that treatment is unattainable due to finances....hence, they are in

some form dictated treatment.

Judy

>From: " Donna Bateman " <donna.bateman@...>

>Reply-medicaid

>medicaid

>Subject: Re: [ ] Indications decided by insurance companies

>Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:49:52 -0600

>

>,

>I don't know the statitics on health insurance. I am VERY sure these

>numbers are manipulated to justify whomever is using them.

>

>I will not get into an argument are socialized vs privatized medicine. But

>I am quite curious about why you persist as a member of a group that is

>dedicated solely to a US issue when you are in the UK. I do wonder what

>you

>get out of it. Your opinion of the US and its medical care system is less

>than worthless to me.

>

>Bottom line: insurance companies enforce the contract by which they are

>bound. They are not charitable organizations but businesses. They do NOT

>decide treatment---only payment. Patients can get any treatment they want,

>but have to make their own payment arrangements via their insurance company

>or other means.

>

>Dawson's alternatives have not been paid for by insurance. We are not

>wealthy, but sometimes struggle---especially considering our large family's

>needs. We have always been very blessed and been able to make whatever we

>needed for Dawson happen. Darin can attest to this---he's met Dawson and

>me.

>

>I care very much about availability in the US, and am anxious for many to

>be

>blessed by hbot. I appreciate learning from the educated professionals. I

>have been dead wrong about some things and I'm grateful to those who have

>taken the time to teach me about hbot. They have helped my family

>tremendously. Your atagonistic comments on topics do not fall into that

>category.

>

>On 3/25/06, Fox- <xristlin@...>

>wrote:

> >

> > Dear Donna

> >

> > Ok thanks but correct me if I am wrong, I thought the insurance

>companies

> >

> > in the USA had a list of indications and contraindications for

>oxygenation

> >

> > treatment and if they say they will not pay for this or that there is no

> > further argument. You will have to allow for my finding the American

> > system

> > of health care and medicine extremely difficult to understand. I

> > understand

> > that 48% of the US population has no medical insurance of any kind. In

> > the

> > UK these problems of medical insurance do not exist. Everyone pays a

> > proportion towards to the NHS National Health Service. Employees and

> > employers. It is a vast bureaucracy and of course there are continuous

> > problems since demand is infinite and resources are finite. Everyone is

> > entitled by law established to receive medical treatment according to

>need

> >

> > and not according to ability to pay. For example in 1979 I awoke with

> > severe stomach pains. I staggered into a hospital. One week later I

>left

> > minus appendix. No one asked me for evidence of insurance and that is

> > how

> > it has been all my life. God help any government which tries to

>demolish

> > the NHS!!

> >

> > Yours

> >

> > Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

> > >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

> > >> >>

> > >> >>Marguerite,

> > >> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it at

>your

> > >> >>own

> > >> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the

> > prescription.

> > >> >>

> > >> >>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured

>child "

> > >> and

> > >> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

> > >> >>

> > >> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His injury was

> > >> >>from

> > >> a

> > >> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

> > >> >>

> > >> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of treating

> > >> closed

> > >> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My son's

> > >> >>neurologist

> > >> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script for

> > it...he

> > >> >>doesn't

> > >> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same breath, he

> > >> >> > said

> > >>

> > >> >> > if

> > >> >>he

> > >> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost 25 yrs

> > old

> > >> >> > and

> > >> >>had

> > >> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be greatly

> > >> >>appreciated.

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> > Thanks

> > >> >> > Marguerite

> > >> >> >

> > >>

> > ________________________________________________________________________

> > >> >> > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

> > >> >> > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

> > >> >> > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

> > >> >> >

March 25, 2006

Dear Donna

Ok Thanks. It was just that I do not understand the American healthcare

system. I guess I am really just a simple country boy from l'l ol' England.

Yours

Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

>> >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Marguerite,

>> >> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it at your

>> >> >>own

>> >> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the

>> prescription.

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured

>> >> >>child "

>> >> and

>> >> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

>> >> >>

>> >> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His injury was

>> >> >>from

>> >> a

>> >> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

>> >> >>

>> >> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of treating

>> >> closed

>> >> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My son's

>> >> >>neurologist

>> >> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script for

>> it...he

>> >> >>doesn't

>> >> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same breath, he

>> >> >> > said

>> >>

>> >> >> > if

>> >> >>he

>> >> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost 25 yrs

>> old

>> >> >> > and

>> >> >>had

>> >> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be greatly

>> >> >>appreciated.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Thanks

>> >> >> > Marguerite

>> >> >> >

>> >>

>> ________________________________________________________________________

>> >> >> > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

>> >> >> > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

>> >> >> > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

>> >> >> >

March 25, 2006

Judy---AMEN!!!! Dawson's never seen a neurologist, never had an MRI or CT,

does no PT, OT, or Speech therapy. But they would have gladly paid for him

to have assistive devices as a blind child. Since I do a home therapy

program with him, I've saved literally hundreds of thousand of dollars for

them over the last 6 years. But to no avail.

I wonder if there is perhaps a company out there that pays ONLY for

alternatives---no traditional medicine allowed! Now that might be

interesting.

Hope someone out there takes your idea and runs with it!!

On 3/25/06, judith burkholder <judith_burkholder@...> wrote:

>

> wouldn't it be ideal if we could contract with the insurance company to

> cover the services that WE choose rather than what they determine they

> will

> cover?

> For instance, rather than the insurance company paying out thousands of

> dollars for:

> dorsal rhisiotomies

> severed hamstrings

> baclofen pumps

> botox

> diminutive amounts of PT OT & speech therapy

> multitude of drugs

> etc.

> wouldn't it be more cost effective for them to allow us to receive the

> treatments we desire for our children? I know that at this time it is a

> mute issue, but unfortunately even when my doctor recommends a treatment

> for

> a specific diagnosis, the insurance company has the power to nix that the

> payment(reimbursement) for that treatment and in most instances for most

> people that treatment is unattainable due to finances....hence, they are

> in

> some form dictated treatment.

> Judy

>

> >From: " Donna Bateman " <donna.bateman@...>

> >Reply-medicaid

> >medicaid

> >Subject: Re: [ ] Indications decided by insurance companies

> >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:49:52 -0600

>

> >

> >,

> >I don't know the statitics on health insurance. I am VERY sure these

> >numbers are manipulated to justify whomever is using them.

> >

> >I will not get into an argument are socialized vs privatized medicine.

> But

> >I am quite curious about why you persist as a member of a group that is

> >dedicated solely to a US issue when you are in the UK. I do wonder what

> >you

> >get out of it. Your opinion of the US and its medical care system is

> less

> >than worthless to me.

> >

> >Bottom line: insurance companies enforce the contract by which they are

> >bound. They are not charitable organizations but businesses. They do

> NOT

> >decide treatment---only payment. Patients can get any treatment they

> want,

> >but have to make their own payment arrangements via their insurance

> company

> >or other means.

> >

> >Dawson's alternatives have not been paid for by insurance. We are not

> >wealthy, but sometimes struggle---especially considering our large

> family's

> >needs. We have always been very blessed and been able to make whatever

> we

> >needed for Dawson happen. Darin can attest to this---he's met Dawson and

> >me.

> >

> >I care very much about availability in the US, and am anxious for many to

>

> >be

> >blessed by hbot. I appreciate learning from the educated professionals.

> I

> >have been dead wrong about some things and I'm grateful to those who have

> >taken the time to teach me about hbot. They have helped my family

> >tremendously. Your atagonistic comments on topics do not fall into that

> >category.

> >

> >On 3/25/06, Fox- <xristlin@...>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Donna

> > >

> > > Ok thanks but correct me if I am wrong, I thought the insurance

> >companies

> > >

> > > in the USA had a list of indications and contraindications for

> >oxygenation

> > >

> > > treatment and if they say they will not pay for this or that there is

> no

> > > further argument. You will have to allow for my finding the American

> > > system

> > > of health care and medicine extremely difficult to understand. I

> > > understand

> > > that 48% of the US population has no medical insurance of any kind.

> In

> > > the

> > > UK these problems of medical insurance do not exist. Everyone pays a

> > > proportion towards to the NHS National Health Service. Employees and

> > > employers. It is a vast bureaucracy and of course there are

> continuous

> > > problems since demand is infinite and resources are finite. Everyone

> is

> > > entitled by law established to receive medical treatment according to

> >need

> > >

> > > and not according to ability to pay. For example in 1979 I awoke with

> > > severe stomach pains. I staggered into a hospital. One week later I

> >left

> > > minus appendix. No one asked me for evidence of insurance and that

> is

> > > how

> > > it has been all my life. God help any government which tries to

> >demolish

> > > the NHS!!

> > >

> > > Yours

> > >

> > > Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

> > > >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>Marguerite,

> > > >> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it at

> >your

> > > >> >>own

> > > >> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the

> > > prescription.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured

> >child "

> > > >> and

> > > >> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His injury

> was

> > > >> >>from

> > > >> a

> > > >> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of

> treating

> > > >> closed

> > > >> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My son's

> > > >> >>neurologist

> > > >> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script for

> > > it...he

> > > >> >>doesn't

> > > >> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same breath,

> he

> > > >> >> > said

> > > >>

> > > >> >> > if

> > > >> >>he

> > > >> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost 25

> yrs

> > > old

> > > >> >> > and

> > > >> >>had

> > > >> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be greatly

> > > >> >>appreciated.

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> > Thanks

> > > >> >> > Marguerite

> > > >> >> >

> > > >>

> > >

> ________________________________________________________________________

> > > >> >> > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

> > > >> >> > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage.

> > > >> >> > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!

> > > >> >> >

March 25, 2006

For the record, the U.S. does not have 48% uninsured. It's more like 20%,

the latest figure being around 45 million persons.

Of these, around 10 million are probably illegal aliens and so not actually

Americans.

Many of the uninsured are in that state for only a short time, say because

they are between jobs.

Many are eligible for Medicaid but haven't bothered to sign up. The hospital

will sign them up immediately if they appear there.

A lot of them have decent incomes but would rather spend their money on

something else. If they have a major illness, they will get treatment, but

will be saddled with big bills, and probably debt, to pay for it afterward.

At some point, they become eligible for Medicaid.

Insurance is not the same as medical care. All " coverage " is paid for

somehow (as through taxes). But the insurer decides what it will pay for.

You can almost always get an appendectomy, with or without insurance or

socialized medicine. But you can buy huge amounts of coverage, thereby

buying chemotherapy, and surgery, and all kinds of other things for somebody

else, and yet have to buy what you need and want out of pocket (with

whatever is left after taxes and insurance premiums).

That's basically true in the UK, the US, and everywhere else. Only the

details differ. Everybody has insurance coverage for some things and is

uninsured for others.

Insurance is not the only way to pay for medical care, and is not

necessarily the best way either. Getting Medicaid to " cover " HBOT will not

necessarily assure that you will be able to get it. Medicaid may decide that

you can't benefit, or shouldn't have so much, or that other priorities have

to be funded first. As I am sure many can attest, fighting with Medicaid is

very difficult!

A discussion about socialized vs. private medicine is outside the scope of

this message board, but I couldn't let that 48% figure pass without comment.

Re: [ ] Indications decided by insurance companies

Dear Donna

Ok Thanks. It was just that I do not understand the American healthcare

system. I guess I am really just a simple country boy from l'l ol' England.

Yours

Re: [ ] Indications decided by insurance companies

> ,

> I don't know the statitics on health insurance. I am VERY sure these

> numbers are manipulated to justify whomever is using them.

March 25, 2006

I believe HBOT reimbursement/approved indications are controlled by

the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society (UHMS). The UHMS has

successfully prevented Hyperbaric Medicine from being taught as core

curriculum at any American medical school, thus 99% of all physicians

don't know the first thing about it.

The UHMS has its own list of approved uses, which both Medicare and

the FDA closely follow. Again, because of a lack of knowledge about

HBOT, most insurance companies also follow this same list.

A closer examination of the approved indications finds that nearly

every indication resolves within just 10 to 20 treatments--or less.

Occasionally it may take as many as 40. Since the typical

reimbursement rate is anywhere from a minimum of $1500/treatment to

as high as $5500/treatment (see page 8 of the just-added " HBOTcosts "

at

medicaid/files/HBOTcosts.pdf),

should brain-injury be added as an approved indication, each patient

might require 200, 300, 400, or more treatments.

The federal Medicaid law for children mandates these 100's of

treatments per child. Ironically, about 80% of the typical hyperbaric

practice is treats Medicare patients. Federal law also dictates that

every Medicare provider must also be a Medicaid provider, i.e., the

hospitals must also treat Medicaid patients.

For state Medicaid agencies facing the prospect of treating each

brain-injured child with 100's of treatments, it's not hard to see

hom this will eventually force a change in the reimbursement rate to

something equivalent to the typical free-standing clinic rate of

$150/treatment.

For the UHMS membership that administers HBOT in hospitals (where 95%

of all US hyperbaric chambers are located), this would mean a whole

lot more work for a whole lot less money--which is why (I believe)

HBOT is not approved for brain-injury.

However, if we as parents do not band together to pursue this, our

children will never get it.

--

Freels

2948 Windfield Circle

Tucker, GA 30084-6714

770-491-6776 (phone)

404-725-4520 (cell)

815-366-7962 (fax)

mailto:dfreels@...

http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

March 25, 2006

Hello ,

it is probably as hard for you to understand the US

health care system as it is for the average American

to comprehend the systems in Germany, the UK, Canada

or Australia. However, in all of them, health care

providers are bound to abide by a standard of care for

a particular ailment or emergency. Insurance coverage

varies for certain diagnostics and treatments, and the

cost for services not covered by insurances varies as

well. I am not saying that's right or wrong (having

spent the first half my life in one system, the other

half in the other), mind you... each system has its

pros and cons.

Just my 2 cents,

Sunny

--- Fox-

<xristlin@...> wrote:

> Dear Donna

>

> Ok thanks but correct me if I am wrong, I thought

> the insurance companies

> in the USA had a list of indications and

> contraindications for oxygenation

> treatment and if they say they will not pay for this

> or that there is no

> further argument. You will have to allow for my

> finding the American system

> of health care and medicine extremely difficult to

> understand. I understand

> that 48% of the US population has no medical

> insurance of any kind. In the

> UK these problems of medical insurance do not exist.

> Everyone pays a

> proportion towards to the NHS National Health

> Service. Employees and

> employers. It is a vast bureaucracy and of course

> there are continuous

> problems since demand is infinite and resources are

> finite. Everyone is

> entitled by law established to receive medical

> treatment according to need

> and not according to ability to pay. For example in

> 1979 I awoke with

> severe stomach pains. I staggered into a hospital.

> One week later I left

> minus appendix. No one asked me for evidence of

> insurance and that is how

> it has been all my life. God help any government

> which tries to demolish

> the NHS!!

>

> Yours

>

> Re: [ ] oxygen as

> " universal antidote "

> >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

> >> >>

> >> >>Marguerite,

> >> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let

> you " waste " it at your

> >> >>own

> >> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to

> write the prescription.

> >> >>

> >> >>Second, you might want to check the group

> " brain injured child "

> >> and

> >> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal

> evidence for you.

> >> >>

> >> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from

> HBOT. His injury was

> >> >>from

> >> a

> >> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

> >> >>

> >> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...>

> wrote:

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the

> success rate of treating

> >> closed

> >> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the

> injury. My son's

> >> >>neurologist

> >> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will

> write a script for it...he

> >> >>doesn't

> >> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In

> the same breath, he

> >> >> > said

> >>

> >> >> > if

> >> >>he

> >> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My

> son is almost 25 yrs old

> >> >> > and

> >> >>had

> >> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information

> would be greatly

> >> >>appreciated.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Thanks

> >> >> > Marguerite

> >> >> >

> >>

>

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> >> >> >

> >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >> >> >

> >> >> > " I know the plans I have for you, " declares

> the Lord, " plans to

> >> prosper

> >> >> > you and not to harm you, plans to give you a

> future and a hope. "

> >> >>[

> >> >> > 29:11]

> >> >> >

> >>

>

>>_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

> >> >> > Join the International Hyperbaric Medical

> Association

> >> >> >

> >>

>

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Is HBOT at your hospital?

> >> >> >

>

http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

> >> >> >

> >> >> > EPSDT decisions

> http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on

> HBOT efficacy

> >> >> >

> medicaid/files/

> ,

> >> >> >

>

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March 25, 2006

Mr Freels, How should we as parents of children/adults desparately needing HBOT

for their brain injuries band together to get this approved through medicaid. I

know you have done a whole lot more research on this subject for a good number

of years than any of us (especially me) have been able to. I am willing and

hopefully able to do my part!

Marguerite McKinney

caretaker of 24yr old TBI son

Fortson,Ga

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March 26, 2006

Dear Jane

This is excellent. Thank you very much. I was hoping that somebody would

enlighten me and you have certainly done that. I am most interested in the

American term " socialized medicine " It does not exist in the UK. No one

would have a clue what it meant. We refer only to the NHS National Health

service. It sprang out of centuries of struggle and poverty and two

catastrophic wars. the second one ruined and bankrupted the country. Men and

women arrived back from the battlefields and said they were not going to go

on as before. Then came the Beveridge Report and the rest is history as they

say.

Yours

Re: [ ] Indications decided by insurance companies

>

>> ,

>> I don't know the statitics on health insurance. I am VERY sure these

>> numbers are manipulated to justify whomever is using them.

>

> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to prosper

> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. " [

> 29:11]

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>

> Is HBOT at your hospital?

> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>

> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>

> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

> medicaid/files/ ,

> 2/files/ and

> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>

> Download your state EPSDT program

> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>

> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>

> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches. Subscribe to

> by sending a blank email to

> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>

March 26, 2006

Dear

Thank you for this detailed explanation of the role of the UHMS and the

insuranca companies. Another one to add to my archive. However, have I

read this correctly? Are you saying that people are getting $1,500 - $5,500

for a single oxygen treatment or for a session of oxygen treatments?

Yours

[ ] Re: Indications decided by insurance companies

>I believe HBOT reimbursement/approved indications are controlled by

> the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society (UHMS). The UHMS has

> successfully prevented Hyperbaric Medicine from being taught as core

> curriculum at any American medical school, thus 99% of all physicians

> don't know the first thing about it.

>

> The UHMS has its own list of approved uses, which both Medicare and

> the FDA closely follow. Again, because of a lack of knowledge about

> HBOT, most insurance companies also follow this same list.

>

> A closer examination of the approved indications finds that nearly

> every indication resolves within just 10 to 20 treatments--or less.

> Occasionally it may take as many as 40. Since the typical

> reimbursement rate is anywhere from a minimum of $1500/treatment to

> as high as $5500/treatment (see page 8 of the just-added " HBOTcosts "

> at

> medicaid/files/HBOTcosts.pdf),

> should brain-injury be added as an approved indication, each patient

> might require 200, 300, 400, or more treatments.

>

> The federal Medicaid law for children mandates these 100's of

> treatments per child. Ironically, about 80% of the typical hyperbaric

> practice is treats Medicare patients. Federal law also dictates that

> every Medicare provider must also be a Medicaid provider, i.e., the

> hospitals must also treat Medicaid patients.

>

> For state Medicaid agencies facing the prospect of treating each

> brain-injured child with 100's of treatments, it's not hard to see

> hom this will eventually force a change in the reimbursement rate to

> something equivalent to the typical free-standing clinic rate of

> $150/treatment.

>

> For the UHMS membership that administers HBOT in hospitals (where 95%

> of all US hyperbaric chambers are located), this would mean a whole

> lot more work for a whole lot less money--which is why (I believe)

> HBOT is not approved for brain-injury.

>

> However, if we as parents do not band together to pursue this, our

> children will never get it.

> --

>

> Freels

> 2948 Windfield Circle

> Tucker, GA 30084-6714

> 770-491-6776 (phone)

> 404-725-4520 (cell)

> 815-366-7962 (fax)

> mailto:dfreels@...

>

> http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

>

> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to prosper

> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. " [

> 29:11]

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>

> Is HBOT at your hospital?

> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>

> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>

> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

> medicaid/files/ ,

> 2/files/ and

> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>

> Download your state EPSDT program

> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>

> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>

> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches. Subscribe to

> by sending a blank email to

> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>

March 26, 2006

Dear Sonny

Thank you. Yes I entirely agree with you on this. We have the weird

development in the UK, where due to the move toward European union, the UK

NHS has been sending patients to France for treatment and the reports coming

back from those patients is how impressed they were with the French system.

May be in time there will emerge a Supreme Co-ordinator to unify all the

systems and get the best out of them so that no man or woman anywhere is

without medical care when needed.

Yours

Re: [ ] oxygen as

>> " universal antidote "

>> >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Marguerite,

>> >> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let

>> you " waste " it at your

>> >> >>own

>> >> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to

>> write the prescription.

>> >> >>

>> >> >>Second, you might want to check the group

>> " brain injured child "

>> >> and

>> >> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal

>> evidence for you.

>> >> >>

>> >> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from

>> HBOT. His injury was

>> >> >>from

>> >> a

>> >> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

>> >> >>

>> >> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...>

>> wrote:

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the

>> success rate of treating

>> >> closed

>> >> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the

>> injury. My son's

>> >> >>neurologist

>> >> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will

>> write a script for it...he

>> >> >>doesn't

>> >> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In

>> the same breath, he

>> >> >> > said

>> >>

>> >> >> > if

>> >> >>he

>> >> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My

>> son is almost 25 yrs old

>> >> >> > and

>> >> >>had

>> >> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information

>> would be greatly

>> >> >>appreciated.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Thanks

>> >> >> > Marguerite

>> >> >> >

>> >>

>>

> ________________________________________________________________________

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>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

>> removed]

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > " I know the plans I have for you, " declares

>> the Lord, " plans to

>> >> prosper

>> >> >> > you and not to harm you, plans to give you a

>> future and a hope. "

>> >> >>[

>> >> >> > 29:11]

>> >> >> >

>> >>

>>

>>>_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>> >> >> > Join the International Hyperbaric Medical

>> Association

>> >> >> >

>> >>

>>

> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Is HBOT at your hospital?

>> >> >> >

>>

> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > EPSDT decisions

>> http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on

>> HBOT efficacy

>> >> >> >

>> medicaid/files/

>> ,

>> >> >> >

>>

> 2/files/

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>

> __________________________________________________

>

April 27, 2006

Donna:

I found a website that might just pay for your alternative therapy.

specialkidstherapy.org

Hope it is of help. Judy

Re: [ ] Indications decided by insurance companies

> >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:49:52 -0600

>

> >

> >,

> >I don't know the statitics on health insurance. I am VERY sure these

> >numbers are manipulated to justify whomever is using them.

> >

> >I will not get into an argument are socialized vs privatized medicine.

> But

> >I am quite curious about why you persist as a member of a group that is

> >dedicated solely to a US issue when you are in the UK. I do wonder what

> >you

> >get out of it. Your opinion of the US and its medical care system is

> less

> >than worthless to me.

> >

> >Bottom line: insurance companies enforce the contract by which they are

> >bound. They are not charitable organizations but businesses. They do

> NOT

> >decide treatment---only payment. Patients can get any treatment they

> want,

> >but have to make their own payment arrangements via their insurance

> company

> >or other means.

> >

> >Dawson's alternatives have not been paid for by insurance. We are not

> >wealthy, but sometimes struggle---especially considering our large

> family's

> >needs. We have always been very blessed and been able to make whatever

> we

> >needed for Dawson happen. Darin can attest to this---he's met Dawson and

> >me.

> >

> >I care very much about availability in the US, and am anxious for many to

>

> >be

> >blessed by hbot. I appreciate learning from the educated professionals.

> I

> >have been dead wrong about some things and I'm grateful to those who have

> >taken the time to teach me about hbot. They have helped my family

> >tremendously. Your atagonistic comments on topics do not fall into that

> >category.

> >

> >On 3/25/06, Fox- <xristlin@...>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Donna

> > >

> > > Ok thanks but correct me if I am wrong, I thought the insurance

> >companies

> > >

> > > in the USA had a list of indications and contraindications for

> >oxygenation

> > >

> > > treatment and if they say they will not pay for this or that there is

> no

> > > further argument. You will have to allow for my finding the American

> > > system

> > > of health care and medicine extremely difficult to understand. I

> > > understand

> > > that 48% of the US population has no medical insurance of any kind.

> In

> > > the

> > > UK these problems of medical insurance do not exist. Everyone pays a

> > > proportion towards to the NHS National Health Service. Employees and

> > > employers. It is a vast bureaucracy and of course there are

> continuous

> > > problems since demand is infinite and resources are finite. Everyone

> is

> > > entitled by law established to receive medical treatment according to

> >need

> > >

> > > and not according to ability to pay. For example in 1979 I awoke with

> > > severe stomach pains. I staggered into a hospital. One week later I

> >left

> > > minus appendix. No one asked me for evidence of insurance and that

> is

> > > how

> > > it has been all my life. God help any government which tries to

> >demolish

> > > the NHS!!

> > >

> > > Yours

> > >

> > > Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

> > > >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>Marguerite,

> > > >> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it at

> >your

> > > >> >>own

> > > >> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the

> > > prescription.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured

> >child "

> > > >> and

> > > >> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His injury

> was

> > > >> >>from

> > > >> a

> > > >> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of

> treating

> > > >> closed

> > > >> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My son's

> > > >> >>neurologist

> > > >> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script for

> > > it...he

> > > >> >>doesn't

> > > >> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same breath,

> he

> > > >> >> > said

> > > >>

> > > >> >> > if

> > > >> >>he

> > > >> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost 25

> yrs

> > > old

> > > >> >> > and

> > > >> >>had

> > > >> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be greatly

> > > >> >>appreciated.

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> > Thanks

> > > >> >> > Marguerite

> > > >> >> >

> > > >>

> > >

> ________________________________________________________________________

> > > >> >> > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

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April 27, 2006

wel here's my story

the insurance is willing to pay up to 3000 pounds sterlings every year toward

physiotherapy for isa , but won't pay anything for alternative therpies we

choose to do , and since we don't do physiotherapy , we don't get anything from

them . till last year she had her molars coming and they gave her tough time and

some digestive problems and she ended up with an oesophagitis . we ended up in

hospital , there the docotrs were amazed that it was her first stay in hospital

since birth , that she never had pneumonia , she has been always in good health

.. the hospital bill was the first bill the insurance pays for isa . i am

thinking to write them a long letter telling them how much we have saved them

over the eyars by doing a home program with isa compared to other specialneed

kids who are frequently in and out of the hospital for health problems .

viviane

http://www.snugglepie.com/cb/52040.png

Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

> > > >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>Marguerite,

> > > >> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it at

> >your

> > > >> >>own

> > > >> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the

> > > prescription.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured

> >child "

> > > >> and

> > > >> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His injury

> was

> > > >> >>from

> > > >> a

> > > >> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of

> treating

> > > >> closed

> > > >> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My son's

> > > >> >>neurologist

> > > >> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script for

> > > it...he

> > > >> >>doesn't

> > > >> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same breath,

> he

> > > >> >> > said

> > > >>

> > > >> >> > if

> > > >> >>he

> > > >> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost 25

> yrs

> > > old

> > > >> >> > and

> > > >> >>had

> > > >> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be greatly

> > > >> >>appreciated.

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> > Thanks

> > > >> >> > Marguerite

> > > >> >> >

> > > >>

> > >

> ________________________________________________________________________

> > > >> >> > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!

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April 27, 2006

Judy,

That is so kind of you to think of us! I did look at the website, but this

is limited to children in Ohio. It is VERY heart-warming to know that there

are organizations out there helping!

On 4/27/06, Judy Burkholder <judyb@...> wrote:

>

> Donna:

> I found a website that might just pay for your alternative therapy.

> specialkidstherapy.org

> Hope it is of help. Judy

>

> Re: [ ] Indications decided by insurance

> companies

> > >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:49:52 -0600

> >

> > >

> > >,

> > >I don't know the statitics on health insurance. I am VERY sure these

> > >numbers are manipulated to justify whomever is using them.

> > >

> > >I will not get into an argument are socialized vs privatized medicine.

> > But

> > >I am quite curious about why you persist as a member of a group that is

> > >dedicated solely to a US issue when you are in the UK. I do wonder

> what

> > >you

> > >get out of it. Your opinion of the US and its medical care system is

> > less

> > >than worthless to me.

> > >

> > >Bottom line: insurance companies enforce the contract by which they

> are

> > >bound. They are not charitable organizations but businesses. They do

> > NOT

> > >decide treatment---only payment. Patients can get any treatment they

> > want,

> > >but have to make their own payment arrangements via their insurance

> > company

> > >or other means.

> > >

> > >Dawson's alternatives have not been paid for by insurance. We are not

> > >wealthy, but sometimes struggle---especially considering our large

> > family's

> > >needs. We have always been very blessed and been able to make whatever

> > we

> > >needed for Dawson happen. Darin can attest to this---he's met Dawson

> and

> > >me.

> > >

> > >I care very much about availability in the US, and am anxious for many

> to

> >

> > >be

> > >blessed by hbot. I appreciate learning from the educated

> professionals.

> > I

> > >have been dead wrong about some things and I'm grateful to those who

> have

> > >taken the time to teach me about hbot. They have helped my family

> > >tremendously. Your atagonistic comments on topics do not fall into

> that

> > >category.

> > >

> > >On 3/25/06, Fox- <xristlin@...>

> > >wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Donna

> > > >

> > > > Ok thanks but correct me if I am wrong, I thought the insurance

> > >companies

> > > >

> > > > in the USA had a list of indications and contraindications for

> > >oxygenation

> > > >

> > > > treatment and if they say they will not pay for this or that there

> is

> > no

> > > > further argument. You will have to allow for my finding the

> American

> > > > system

> > > > of health care and medicine extremely difficult to understand. I

> > > > understand

> > > > that 48% of the US population has no medical insurance of any kind.

> > In

> > > > the

> > > > UK these problems of medical insurance do not exist. Everyone pays

> a

> > > > proportion towards to the NHS National Health Service. Employees

> and

> > > > employers. It is a vast bureaucracy and of course there are

> > continuous

> > > > problems since demand is infinite and resources are finite.

> Everyone

> > is

> > > > entitled by law established to receive medical treatment according

> to

> > >need

> > > >

> > > > and not according to ability to pay. For example in 1979 I awoke

> with

> > > > severe stomach pains. I staggered into a hospital. One week later I

> > >left

> > > > minus appendix. No one asked me for evidence of insurance and that

> > is

> > > > how

> > > > it has been all my life. God help any government which tries to

> > >demolish

> > > > the NHS!!

> > > >

> > > > Yours

> > > >

> > > > Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

> > > > >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >>Marguerite,

> > > > >> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it at

> > >your

> > > > >> >>own

> > > > >> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the

> > > > prescription.

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured

> > >child "

> > > > >> and

> > > > >> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His injury

> > was

> > > > >> >>from

> > > > >> a

> > > > >> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of

> > treating

> > > > >> closed

> > > > >> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My

> son's

> > > > >> >>neurologist

> > > > >> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script for

> > > > it...he

> > > > >> >>doesn't

> > > > >> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same

> breath,

> > he

> > > > >> >> > said

> > > > >>

> > > > >> >> > if

> > > > >> >>he

> > > > >> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost 25

> > yrs

> > > > old

> > > > >> >> > and

> > > > >> >>had

> > > > >> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be greatly

> > > > >> >>appreciated.

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> > Thanks

> > > > >> >> > Marguerite

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >>

> > > >

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April 30, 2006

It always surprises me to see anyone define OXYGEN as " alternative therapy " .

Physicians and Surgeons use it all the time as an essential supplement to

treatment. Unfortunately they do not know how to use it as a treatment by

applying it in a higher dosage. Without oxygen we all die. Oxygen cannot

possibly be an alternative but must be an essential to the existence of

life.

Yours

Re: [ ] oxygen as " universal antidote "

> > > > >> >>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:06:36 -0600

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >>Marguerite,

> > > > >> >>First of all, it's YOUR money. He should let you " waste " it

> at

> > >your

> > > > >> >>own

> > > > >> >>discretion. It isn't hurting his pocketbook to write the

> > > > prescription.

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >>Second, you might want to check the group " brain injured

> > >child "

> > > > >> and

> > > > >> >>see if someone there has some anecdotal evidence for you.

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >>My son is 6 and is improved DRAMATICALLY from HBOT. His

> injury

> > was

> > > > >> >>from

> > > > >> a

> > > > >> >>true knot in the umbilical cord.

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >>On 3/20/06, Marguerite <mmmckinney1@...> wrote:

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> > Does anyone have any statistics on the success rate of

> > treating

> > > > >> closed

> > > > >> >> > head injury-TBI, at almost 2 years since the injury. My

> son's

> > > > >> >>neurologist

> > > > >> >> > wants some numbers on this before he will write a script

> for

> > > > it...he

> > > > >> >>doesn't

> > > > >> >> > want us to waste our money in his words. In the same

> breath,

> > he

> > > > >> >> > said

> > > > >>

> > > > >> >> > if

> > > > >> >>he

> > > > >> >> > was a parent he definately would do it. My son is almost

> 25

> > yrs

> > > > old

> > > > >> >> > and

> > > > >> >>had

> > > > >> >> > his brain injury May 2004. Any information would be

> greatly

> > > > >> >>appreciated.

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >> >> > Thanks

> > > > >> >> > Marguerite

> > > > >> >> >

> > > > >>

> > > >

> >

> ________________________________________________________________________

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