RE: Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

[Guest guest]

One needs to compare apples to apples here.

Many, many times we on this list have talked about the cost of HBOT in

medical facilities. If we don't' have four patients on each dive, we

don't make any money ! and I mean no money whatsoever. The initial

cost and the continuing cost of a facility is far, far greater than that

of a home unit.....I agree to this. But look at the cost associated

with running a facility. At 75.00 per dive there is no way that someone

can make a living. I'm not talking about jaguar in the garage living, I

simply mean a living where one can feed their family and drive a Chevy.

Just because someone is creating cash flow doesn't mean that they have

any profit margin. At our price of 135.00 per dive running 2 dives

daily in a multiplace with at least 5 on each dive we barely justify

keeping the facility open....and we're still supplementing the expense

of the HBOT with the income from the medical practice. The chamber is

not self sufficient financially.

To compare the family that you described to another family which used a

facility you will find this :

Your family will have invested $63,144.00 by the end of year two using

your numbers.

Another family will have been able to achieve nearly 3 years of

treatments at a facility (with a 100.00 negotiated rate) and received

professional medical supervision and spent exactly the same amount.

And here is the kicker....75% of our patients are getting covered by

insurance and it is costing them nothing or at most the 15.oo daily

copay.

A family can't ever hope for reimbursement from insurance if they are

using the machine at home without medical direction or supervision.

I understand that the travel cost associated can add up, but if someone

had 63,000.00 to pay for a home system then I promise you that they can

find a facility close to their home that would negotiate the cost and

provide them outstanding service.

Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

Director

South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

3 Professional Park Drive

Webster, Texas 77598

281.554.8848

" He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

Galen

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

Jay to be honest with you I just helped a family get a Sechrist 2500 b

pvh20

certified fda510k clerance installed with the Oxygen delivery system

Liquid.

Useing the gp45 liquid oxygen cylinders. The total cost to that family

was

$45,000. for everything. Now considering where they live they will get

the

Oxygen for a cheeper rate. They will pay 189.00 a tank. A tank will give

them 7 treatments. So they are paying $ 378.00 for 14 treatments not

counting the money they are saving in Gas hotel expenses Etc.In a clinic

setting at $200.00 a session it would have costed them just for 14 $

2,800.00 that is a savings of arounf $2,200. so you atart adding that

up

plus gas hotel expenses Etc. then yes. It is not nearly expensive as

some

think. As well all no the O2 cost so much less for clinic's they have

overhead and so forth. But it is a proven fact they could charge $75.00

a

treatment instead of $200.00 and make so damn good money still.

Darin

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

>>

>>

>> I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

>> about

>> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be

> able

>> to

>> help provide me with some information.

>>

>> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

>> 100% O2.

>> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

>> chamber

>> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this

> mom

>> that

>> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

>> same as

>> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>>

>> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been

> in,

>> his

>> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby

his

>> entire

>> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on

> the

>> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

>> frequently

>> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen

>> to

>> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

>> neurological

>> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

>> respiratory

>> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the

>> whole

>> body.

>>

>> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't

>> think

>> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

>> chambers

>> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were

dramatic,

>> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with

the

>> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

>> gain made

>> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save

>> our

>> pennies for another round.

>>

>> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

>> this, but

>> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

>> informed

>> choice.

>>

>> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>>

>> --

>> Donna

>> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU),

Preston

>> 16,

>> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson

5

>> (brain

>> injured--was severe now mild!)

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Jay I never said anyone was being treated in my machine. You are wrong bud.

Now if someone has there license and wants to borrow the chamber and release

me of Liabilty and they treat there child ok. But No Im busy in school right

now and have no time. If you ever want to take a look come on there are no

cylinders out there and the chamber is closed off.

Darin

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

>

>

> I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

> about

> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be

> able

> to

> help provide me with some information.

>

> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

> 100%

> O2.

> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling

> the

> chamber

> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this

> mom

> that

> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

> same

> as

> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>

> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been

> in,

> his

> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby

> his

> entire

> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on

> the

> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

> frequently

> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough

> oxygen to

> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

> neurological

> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

> respiratory

> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to

> the

> whole

> body.

>

> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I

> don't

> think

> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

> chambers

> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were

> dramatic,

> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with

> the

> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

> gain

> made

> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to

> save our

> pennies for another round.

>

> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

> this,

> but

> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

> informed

> choice.

>

> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>

> --

> Donna

> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU),

> Preston

> 16,

> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7,

> Dawson 5

> (brain

> injured--was severe now mild!)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jay you are correct. I was a little upset at first. Because I personally did

the best I could for my child within the regards of the home chamber. At the

time I had no other choice. See we had other reasons that we had to invest

into this. Can't really go intot hat now. But the fund's we were useing were

not going to keep covering it. We had to do something. But I do agree with

you that parent's should not go to the expense but I never have said that

publicly. The only thing I was defending is the way you aporaced the subject

of saying it was unsafe in any condition home based chambers. You have no

Idea how scared I was in doing this I went all out because of it. That is

the reason It took us so long. Steve Reimers will be able to tell you the

long ordeal and battle we had in doing this. In fact the technician that

installed the chamber asked me damn son I have never seen this many bells

and whistles in a hospital. I just wanted you to no it could be done at home

saftely. I spend most of my time at school and working to help other

families now. I will tel you though If I had a family that needed the

cahmber that had a physicain and was able to treat there child I would give

them acess if I was completey cleared of all Liability. Most think that is

insane. It would have to be totally cleared and complety free of all

liability. It would be for special circumstances only. I belive every child

that is sent our way to help with paper work or helping them get on the

waiver services are not by chance it is meant that way.

Jay I don't no you very well and you have no Idea how much I respect you. I

think your and awesome man and really are a compasionate guy worried about

the saftey of others. I hate that I seem so critical at times. I guess what

Im really doing is defending my own self for the reason I put a chamber in

my home. But I no I done it right safe and did it within code.

Take care freind and I hope I did not offend you.

Darin

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

>>>

>>>

>>> I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

>>> about

>>> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be

>> able

>>> to

>>> help provide me with some information.

>>>

>>> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

>>> 100% O2.

>>> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

>>> chamber

>>> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this

>> mom

>>> that

>>> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

>>> same as

>>> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>>>

>>> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been

>> in,

>>> his

>>> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby

> his

>>> entire

>>> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on

>> the

>>> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

>>> frequently

>>> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen

>>> to

>>> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

>>> neurological

>>> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

>>> respiratory

>>> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the

>>> whole

>>> body.

>>>

>>> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't

>>> think

>>> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

>>> chambers

>>> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were

> dramatic,

>>> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with

> the

>>> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

>>> gain made

>>> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save

>>> our

>>> pennies for another round.

>>>

>>> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

>>> this, but

>>> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

>>> informed

>>> choice.

>>>

>>> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Donna

>>> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU),

> Preston

>>> 16,

>>> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson

> 5

>>> (brain

>>> injured--was severe now mild!)

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

will you be willing to sell it darin ?? i know many prents in the US who are

looking to do HBO for thier kids at home .

love

viviane

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

>

>

> I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

> about

> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be

> able

> to

> help provide me with some information.

>

> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

> 100%

> O2.

> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling

> the

> chamber

> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this

> mom

> that

> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

> same

> as

> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>

> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been

> in,

> his

> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby

> his

> entire

> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on

> the

> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

> frequently

> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough

> oxygen to

> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

> neurological

> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

> respiratory

> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to

> the

> whole

> body.

>

> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I

> don't

> think

> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

> chambers

> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were

> dramatic,

> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with

> the

> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

> gain

> made

> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to

> save our

> pennies for another round.

>

> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

> this,

> but

> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

> informed

> choice.

>

> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>

> --

> Donna

> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU),

> Preston

> 16,

> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7,

> Dawson 5

> (brain

> injured--was severe now mild!)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

So I should understand the following:

The chambers not need be filled with oxygen---a hood is good enough?

I am just not certain about how to understand this. Am I to understand that

the oxygen around the entire body of my child does him no good?

I know there are very many of you with a lot of training and I hope you'll

be very patient with me while I'm trying to figure this out via the brain of

a business major.

On 10/3/05, rose manning <esslr@...> wrote:

>

> I have to say I agree with the expense of filling a chamber with O2. For

> anyone thinking of getting a chamber make sure you can deliver the oxygen

> via hood or mask because filling a chamber with O2 is very expensive. If

> you are treating a child you will want to use a hood. You will then want

> to

> purchase liquid oxygen because it a lot less expensive. As far as blowing

> up your house or your neighbors just don't be stupid. Fire requires 4

> things: 1 source of ignition 2 something to burn 3 oxygen (#4 I am

> steeling from a post a long time ago) 4 an idiot to start it.

>

> Don't let people scare you away from helping your children. Learn!!! Be

> safe!!! All fires and explosions have been caused by human error. Doing a

> treatment at home is no different than what they do at a treatment center

> or

> hospital if you buy a chamber that can be pressurize the same and you give

> 100% O2. There is no magic involved!

>

> However,I do believe there is magic in the waiting room of an ER because

> everytime my kids get hurt and I bring them there they are magically well

> when the doctor sees them.

>

> Love to all,

>

> Rose Manning

>

>

--

Donna

Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain--home on Oct 20th after 2 years of

serving!!!), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston 16, Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9

(cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5 (brain injured--was severe now

mild!)

[Guest guest]

Darin-

I wasn't talking about you.

I know your position on this matter and the condition of your system.

I was talking to Viviane.

Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

Director

South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

3 Professional Park Drive

Webster, Texas 77598

281.554.8848

" He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

Galen

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

will you be willing to sell it darin ?? i know many prents in the US who

are looking to do HBO for thier kids at home .

love

viviane

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

>

>

> I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a

question

> about

> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will

be

> able

> to

> help provide me with some information.

>

> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs

the

> 100%

> O2.

> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling

> the

> chamber

> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told

this

> mom

> that

> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be

the

> same

> as

> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>

> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's

been

> in,

> his

> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure,

thereby

> his

> entire

> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely

on

> the

> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured

children

> frequently

> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough

> oxygen to

> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

> neurological

> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

> respiratory

> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to

> the

> whole

> body.

>

> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I

> don't

> think

> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital

grade

> chambers

> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were

> dramatic,

> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences

with

> the

> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe

the

> gain

> made

> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to

> save our

> pennies for another round.

>

> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about

all

> this,

> but

> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the

best

> informed

> choice.

>

> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>

> --

> Donna

> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU),

> Preston

> 16,

> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7,

> Dawson 5

> (brain

> injured--was severe now mild!)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I don't want to even get into the practicing medicine without a

license

> on this one.

The truth is that nothing is required to run a chamber (thank you divers).

100% O2 needs a script. Knowing so many parents of brain injured children I

would put my money on any parent running me in a chamber over some (not all)

of the operators with no or little experience at some of the treatment

centers. These parents know an unbelievable amount. The things so many of

them have to do for their children are amazing. My son has autism;

physically he is fine I can not imagine having to do what they do. Running

a chamber is nothing in comparison. Make no mistake they will learn how to

do it safely for the love of their child. This is their life not a job!!!

Rose Manning

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

will you be willing to sell it darin ?? i know many prents in the US who

are looking to do HBO for thier kids at home .

love

viviane

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

>

>

> I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a

question

> about

> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will

be

> able

> to

> help provide me with some information.

>

> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs

the

> 100%

> O2.

> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling

> the

> chamber

> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told

this

> mom

> that

> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be

the

> same

> as

> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>

> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's

been

> in,

> his

> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure,

thereby

> his

> entire

> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely

on

> the

> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured

children

> frequently

> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough

> oxygen to

> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

> neurological

> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

> respiratory

> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to

> the

> whole

> body.

>

> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I

> don't

> think

> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital

grade

> chambers

> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were

> dramatic,

> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences

with

> the

> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe

the

> gain

> made

> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to

> save our

> pennies for another round.

>

> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about

all

> this,

> but

> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the

best

> informed

> choice.

>

> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>

> --

> Donna

> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU),

> Preston

> 16,

> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7,

> Dawson 5

> (brain

> injured--was severe now mild!)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually Vivianne. It was investment I made and I may have looked ot have

sold it some time agao. But with me and my wife ageing I no there may come a

time that we may need it. I still use it for myself from time to time. See I

was injured in the accident with kaltyn and it saved my life as well. i

don't go into that much with people. but I do still take treaments my self

perodically. See at one point they were gonna amputate my leg after the

accident Hyperbaric's is what saved it. I had some Nurologivcal problems my

self that have bee helped with Hyperbaric's. I used ot be very good at

rembering and did very well in school. Since the accident I have come a long

way but still have some issues. I used it recently after a surgery that

would have tooken many months to heal however i healed much faster from HBO.

Maybe one day along the line. We have thought of moving and I think what I

would do If I ever sold it is sale the house and unit as a package to a

family that wanted or needed a chamber. We have 3,350 sq feet here with the

chamber room it is 20 x 40 it self. there is a therapy sized pool in the

backyard. So we have continplated that but have never done it to this point.

If I ever did I would have another house built and have another chamber

installed into the new home. There are still some issues with the probate

from Katlyn's estate that is holding that up. See whn Kaltyn got hurt

everything we owned went to her me and my wofe liquidated everything we

owned and gave it to kaltynin a special need's trust to protect it all.

after she passed it all came back to us after we subrigated with Medicaid.

So there is still alot we have to work out. It has been allmost two years

and there is so much that is not settled or done yet. It was the only way to

ensure she had proper insurance coverage. Since kaltyn was not of age and

was not able to say what she wanted or needed with the money she received

the state required us to set up the special need's trust and quailfy her for

medicaid. however in the event of her death we had to pay Medicaid back and

that we have done. It is a long story and many people had no Idea of the

hoop's we had to jump for the state. It is tuff when you are dealling with

the state.

Darin

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

> >

> >

> > I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

> > about

> > hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be

> > able

> > to

> > help provide me with some information.

> >

> > On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

> > 100%

> > O2.

> > One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling

> > the

> > chamber

> > (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this

> > mom

> > that

> > she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

> > same

> > as

> > being in a hospital grade chamber.

> >

> > That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been

> > in,

> > his

> > entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby

> > his

> > entire

> > system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on

> > the

> > respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

> > frequently

> > don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough

> > oxygen to

> > their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

> > neurological

> > function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

> > respiratory

> > alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to

> > the

> > whole

> > body.

> >

> > We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I

> > don't

> > think

> > I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

> > chambers

> > are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were

> > dramatic,

> > instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with

> > the

> > portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

> > gain

> > made

> > in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to

> > save our

> > pennies for another round.

> >

> > So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

> > this,

> > but

> > who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

> > informed

> > choice.

> >

> > Thanks in advance to all the experts.

> >

> > --

> > Donna

> > Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU),

> > Preston

> > 16,

> > Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7,

> > Dawson 5

> > (brain

> > injured--was severe now mild!)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Donna the main thing we are trying to acomplish with HBOT is to breath 100%

Oxygen at a higher pressure. It is what you breath at that pressure tha tis

helping Dawson. the reson you see some chambers with hood's and some without

is im my experience is that Kaltyn did not like having a hood around her

kneck and something over her head. She liked the abilty to move around adn

less confinment. It is a matter of preference really. the hood is cheaper to

run a lot less expensive. However there are confinment issues. Kid's like

being free. To me the matter of treating is hard enough for a child. Much

less confineing them to a hood. can tell you how it was for her with

Elise it was very hard. Elsie did not like the hood. So she went to a

facilty that pressurized with 100% o2. She said the difference was

overwhelning to her and lsie handled it much better. But some kid's don't

mind the hood. It is all really a matter of preference. But honestly. It is

the Oxygen they breath at that higher pressure that is the key. Not the whle

body being exposed.

Darin

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

> So I should understand the following:

> The chambers not need be filled with oxygen---a hood is good enough?

>

> I am just not certain about how to understand this. Am I to understand

> that

> the oxygen around the entire body of my child does him no good?

>

> I know there are very many of you with a lot of training and I hope you'll

> be very patient with me while I'm trying to figure this out via the brain

> of

> a business major.

>

>

> On 10/3/05, rose manning <esslr@...> wrote:

>>

>> I have to say I agree with the expense of filling a chamber with O2. For

>> anyone thinking of getting a chamber make sure you can deliver the oxygen

>> via hood or mask because filling a chamber with O2 is very expensive. If

>> you are treating a child you will want to use a hood. You will then want

>> to

>> purchase liquid oxygen because it a lot less expensive. As far as blowing

>> up your house or your neighbors just don't be stupid. Fire requires 4

>> things: 1 source of ignition 2 something to burn 3 oxygen (#4 I am

>> steeling from a post a long time ago) 4 an idiot to start it.

>>

>> Don't let people scare you away from helping your children. Learn!!! Be

>> safe!!! All fires and explosions have been caused by human error. Doing a

>> treatment at home is no different than what they do at a treatment center

>> or

>> hospital if you buy a chamber that can be pressurize the same and you

>> give

>> 100% O2. There is no magic involved!

>>

>> However,I do believe there is magic in the waiting room of an ER because

>> everytime my kids get hurt and I bring them there they are magically well

>> when the doctor sees them.

>>

>> Love to all,

>>

>> Rose Manning

>>

>>

>

> --

> Donna

> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain--home on Oct 20th after 2 years

> of

> serving!!!), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston 16, Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9

> (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5 (brain injured--was severe now

> mild!)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jay I stand corrected. OK list now we are headed in a debate we all should

step back from. the overall goal is to get this covered. None of us want to

be dr.s for our children. It was a mtter some of us had to step up to. What

we want is to loveour children be who we were set out to be and the

goverment or any angency out there to step up and cover what is supposed to

be covered. I never wanted or even thought I would have had to do some of

the things I had to do with Katlyn. there where times paramedics came to my

home for Kaltyn could not get a IV started. However they did not like it but

I took over and started it. My child had to be intibated once they were

like not getting it. One of the voluteers here knew I was getting a little

nervous and I stepped in an did it. However I was corrected extremly bad but

the ETR physician. There were times I would give them her history telling

them she had Diabetes insiphdus. i hope I spelt that right. I never do LOL.

Anyway they took out a glucose meter and checked her sugar. I had to explan

to them this disorder had nothing to do wih sugar it was her sodium and

eletrolytes. So see to say parents should let professionals do the Job is

not allway's correct. Sometimes you have to do what you no in your heart to

do. If it were up to me I would have never learnt andy of that. I would have

lived happily ever after at 9519 thornhimm drive with my daughter going to

school events one day seeing her get married nad had wonderfull

grandchildren. This was not a choice that I wanted. However it was put upon

me. The one thing I think Medical professionals need to look at is we did

not ask for this Job. We don't want it. But it was mean tto be so we took

what we know and what we didn't we learnt. Many trauma or ER doctors will

tell you the best information you can get for a disabled child is from the

parents. They knwo the child better than me. If you ask them they will tell

you how to treat there child they no what works what don't. being int he

feild getting ready to go out. I have spent some time in the ER. I often get

upset seeing new residents come in and never talk with the parents. Spend

countless hours and money trying to figure out what is going on with the

child. One time I went in talked with the parent two minutes. Yes two

minutes and found that all the child had waas a simple case of constipation.

It was a disabled child. However they had shunt series ordered ct scan all

kinds of blood work etc. They still completed all the test and the resident

came over to me and asked me what gave me the clue. I said I talked to the

MOM. Then later I had told him my child was disabled and that I had learnt

the hard way. He thanked me for saving him countless hours in his future

carrier. Im not a hero or a no it all. Im a father that had to do what I

could to help my child. EGOS often get int he way in health care.

I think that is the reason I look at Jay with so much compasion. I see his

desire to help so many. He does not have a EGO. Many think that is what it

is. It's not what it is I think what it is he is frustrated that parents are

resorting to these actions because the health care industry has let the

parents down in a way. Im not sure but I can tell you I think he is here for

all of us. I no this sounds off the wall coming from me. But really Im not

the best writter and can't convey allway's what Im trying to say the way it

is needed to be said. But I do no what I see in people and the observations

are usually pretty close.

Darin

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

> >

> >

> > I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a

> question

> > about

> > hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will

> be

> > able

> > to

> > help provide me with some information.

> >

> > On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs

> the

> > 100%

> > O2.

> > One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling

> > the

> > chamber

> > (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told

> this

> > mom

> > that

> > she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be

> the

> > same

> > as

> > being in a hospital grade chamber.

> >

> > That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's

> been

> > in,

> > his

> > entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure,

> thereby

> > his

> > entire

> > system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely

> on

> > the

> > respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured

> children

> > frequently

> > don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough

> > oxygen to

> > their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

> > neurological

> > function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

> > respiratory

> > alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to

> > the

> > whole

> > body.

> >

> > We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I

> > don't

> > think

> > I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital

> grade

> > chambers

> > are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were

> > dramatic,

> > instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences

> with

> > the

> > portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe

> the

> > gain

> > made

> > in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to

> > save our

> > pennies for another round.

> >

> > So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about

> all

> > this,

> > but

> > who would like to know more and wants to help others make the

> best

> > informed

> > choice.

> >

> > Thanks in advance to all the experts.

> >

> > --

> > Donna

> > Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU),

> > Preston

> > 16,

> > Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7,

> > Dawson 5

> > (brain

> > injured--was severe now mild!)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes:

-oxygen around the body is useless for your ends.

-A mask or, better, a hood is what you need to deliver high concentrations

of oxygen inside an air pressurized chamber.

Oxygen around the body only spares you the need to don a mask or a hood,

so such chambers may be more comfortable to use,

but they have a lot more safety rules that are to be complied with

than the air ones.

Best regards.

Ignacio Fojgel, M.D.

Buenos Aires, Argentina

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:53:22 -0300, Donna Bateman

<donna.bateman@...> wrote:

> So I should understand the following:

> The chambers not need be filled with oxygen---a hood is good enough?

>

> I am just not certain about how to understand this. Am I to understand

> that

> the oxygen around the entire body of my child does him no good?

>

> I know there are very many of you with a lot of training and I hope

> you'll

> be very patient with me while I'm trying to figure this out via the

> brain of

> a business major.

>

>

> On 10/3/05, rose manning <esslr@...> wrote:

>>

>> I have to say I agree with the expense of filling a chamber with O2.

>> For

>> anyone thinking of getting a chamber make sure you can deliver the

>> oxygen

>> via hood or mask because filling a chamber with O2 is very expensive. If

>> you are treating a child you will want to use a hood. You will then want

>> to

>> purchase liquid oxygen because it a lot less expensive. As far as

>> blowing

>> up your house or your neighbors just don't be stupid. Fire requires 4

>> things: 1 source of ignition 2 something to burn 3 oxygen (#4 I am

>> steeling from a post a long time ago) 4 an idiot to start it.

>>

>> Don't let people scare you away from helping your children. Learn!!! Be

>> safe!!! All fires and explosions have been caused by human error. Doing

>> a

>> treatment at home is no different than what they do at a treatment

>> center

>> or

>> hospital if you buy a chamber that can be pressurize the same and you

>> give

>> 100% O2. There is no magic involved!

>>

>> However,I do believe there is magic in the waiting room of an ER because

>> everytime my kids get hurt and I bring them there they are magically

>> well

>> when the doctor sees them.

>>

>> Love to all,

>>

>> Rose Manning

>>

>>

>

> --

> Donna

> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain--home on Oct 20th after 2

> years of

> serving!!!), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston 16, Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9

> (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5 (brain injured--was severe now

> mild!)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok Jay!

So this is why we have and average of 9 patients in on a daily bases and

still have no pay check! Thanks for reminding me and clearing this up! I

fell so much better! LOL.

Sincerely,

O , Director of Operations

Phone: (570) 421-3415

Fax: (570) 421-9873

Email: support@...

Web: www.thejennyrosecenter.com

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

Jay to be honest with you I just helped a family get a Sechrist 2500 b

pvh20

certified fda510k clerance installed with the Oxygen delivery system

Liquid.

Useing the gp45 liquid oxygen cylinders. The total cost to that family

was

$45,000. for everything. Now considering where they live they will get

the

Oxygen for a cheeper rate. They will pay 189.00 a tank. A tank will give

them 7 treatments. So they are paying $ 378.00 for 14 treatments not

counting the money they are saving in Gas hotel expenses Etc.In a clinic

setting at $200.00 a session it would have costed them just for 14 $

2,800.00 that is a savings of arounf $2,200. so you atart adding that

up

plus gas hotel expenses Etc. then yes. It is not nearly expensive as

some

think. As well all no the O2 cost so much less for clinic's they have

overhead and so forth. But it is a proven fact they could charge $75.00

a

treatment instead of $200.00 and make so damn good money still.

Darin

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

>>

>>

>> I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

>> about

>> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be

> able

>> to

>> help provide me with some information.

>>

>> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

>> 100% O2.

>> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

>> chamber

>> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this

> mom

>> that

>> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

>> same as

>> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>>

>> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been

> in,

>> his

>> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby

his

>> entire

>> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on

> the

>> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

>> frequently

>> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen

>> to

>> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

>> neurological

>> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

>> respiratory

>> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the

>> whole

>> body.

>>

>> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't

>> think

>> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

>> chambers

>> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were

dramatic,

>> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with

the

>> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

>> gain made

>> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save

>> our

>> pennies for another round.

>>

>> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

>> this, but

>> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

>> informed

>> choice.

>>

>> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>>

>> --

>> Donna

>> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU),

Preston

>> 16,

>> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson

5

>> (brain

>> injured--was severe now mild!)

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I don't believe that topical O2 has any adverse affects, yet just the same

I am not sure it has any great benefits as well. Not to be hung on language

and terms, but I am not sure it can be called " HBO " , for " Hyper " means

increased and " baric " relates to pressure. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT)

refers to the treatment of the entire body with 100-percent oxygen at

greater than normal atmospheric pressures. Unfortunately placing a bag on

ones foot will not achieve the desired results for example, because while

undergoing HBOT, pressure is increased up to two times (2 ATA) in a 100%

oxygen environment using monoplace chambers and multi place type chambers.

This increased pressure, combined with an increase in oxygen to 100 percent,

dissolves oxygen in to the blood and in all body tissues and fluids at up to

20 times normal concentration, for the only organ in the body that is able

to achieve this is the LUNG!and therefore it must be inhaled. If you have

access to real chambers then please go there, for you will make better usage

of your time and stand a better chance of healing.

Sincerely,

O , Director of Operations

Phone: (570) 421-3415

Fax: (570) 421-9873

Email: support@...

Web: www.thejennyrosecenter.com

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

So I should understand the following:

The chambers not need be filled with oxygen---a hood is good enough?

I am just not certain about how to understand this. Am I to understand

that

the oxygen around the entire body of my child does him no good?

I know there are very many of you with a lot of training and I hope you'll

be very patient with me while I'm trying to figure this out via the brain

of

a business major.

On 10/3/05, rose manning <esslr@...> wrote:

>

> I have to say I agree with the expense of filling a chamber with O2.

For

> anyone thinking of getting a chamber make sure you can deliver the

oxygen

> via hood or mask because filling a chamber with O2 is very expensive. If

> you are treating a child you will want to use a hood. You will then want

> to

> purchase liquid oxygen because it a lot less expensive. As far as

blowing

> up your house or your neighbors just don't be stupid. Fire requires 4

> things: 1 source of ignition 2 something to burn 3 oxygen (#4 I am

> steeling from a post a long time ago) 4 an idiot to start it.

>

> Don't let people scare you away from helping your children. Learn!!! Be

> safe!!! All fires and explosions have been caused by human error. Doing

a

> treatment at home is no different than what they do at a treatment

center

> or

> hospital if you buy a chamber that can be pressurize the same and you

give

> 100% O2. There is no magic involved!

>

> However,I do believe there is magic in the waiting room of an ER because

> everytime my kids get hurt and I bring them there they are magically

well

> when the doctor sees them.

>

> Love to all,

>

> Rose Manning

>

>

--

Donna

Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain--home on Oct 20th after 2 years

of

serving!!!), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston 16, Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9

(cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5 (brain injured--was severe now

mild!)