RE: Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

October 3, 2005

dear donna i think there is a difference between portalbe and hospital grade

chambers , in term of how much they can be pressurised . but concerning using a

mask via , compressing with full oxygen , or using a hood , there is no

difference at all in the benefit and i am sure the professional on that list can

confirm this .

love

viviane

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question about

hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able to

help provide me with some information.

On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the 100% O2.

One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the chamber

(okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom that

she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the same as

being in a hospital grade chamber.

That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in, his

entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his entire

system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children frequently

don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen to

their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain neurological

function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the respiratory

alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the whole

body.

We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't think

I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade chambers

are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the gain made

in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save our

pennies for another round.

So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all this, but

who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best informed

choice.

Thanks in advance to all the experts.

--

Donna

Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston 16,

Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5 (brain

injured--was severe now mild!)

October 3, 2005

Dear Ms. Bateman,

discussions comparing portables vs

100% oxygen chambers may be futile.

They are different, but not in the way you imagine,

and both are useful.

Oxygen enters mainly through the nose and mouth

-into the lungs and to the blood-

not through the skin.

We are not insects.

Of course, a negligible amount -vis a vis the systemic needs-

will enter through the skin, with some local action

on wounds and skin ulcers.

The FDA has approved topical hyperbaric machines that work

under such principles, but they are not HBO.

In this aspect, the seller was right:

if you used either a tight oro-nasal mask with bag,

or a hood, the amount of oxygen delivered to the lungs would be similar

to what you get in a chamber pressurized with oxygen

pressures and concentrations being the same.

It applies to other air-pressurized chambers,

like the multiplaces.

Contrary to your belief, in hyperbarics we rely only

on the much more efficient pulmo-circulatory delivery mechanism,

With air-pressurized chambers, pressure is also there,

but medical oxygen will not be " all around " . Regarding safety,

-although there has never been a accident- it is a definite plus.

If a child would not tolerate a mask or a hood,

and the highest concentrations were indicated,

an oxygen-pressurized chamber would be the only choice, though.

A discussion of the relative merits of a mild hyperbaric protocol

versus a 100% oxygen low hyperbaric protocol is not relevant now:

is a completely different issue.

If you wanted to help others make the best informed choice,

the way is to become more educated on these matters,

as you implied.

Education coming from sellers or from people with blatantly vested

interests

is to be considered biased,

although not necessarily unreliable.

In these matters, knowledge of all the possible variables,

the diverse systems and their abilities

can help anybody save a lot of time, money,

and most importantly, health.

This field is on the making. We learn what needs to be clarified,

also from your questions.

I hope it helped.

Best regards,

Ignacio Fojgel, M.D.

Maimonides University

Buenos Aires, Argentina

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:05:47 -0300, Donna Bateman

<donna.bateman@...> wrote:

> I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question about

> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able to

> help provide me with some information.

>

> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the 100%

> O2.

> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

> chamber

> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom

> that

> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the same

> as

> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>

> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in,

> his

> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his

> entire

> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

> frequently

> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen to

> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

> neurological

> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

> respiratory

> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the whole

> body.

>

> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't think

> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

> chambers

> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the gain

> made

> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save our

> pennies for another round.

>

> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all this,

> but

> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

> informed

> choice.

>

> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>

> --

> Donna

> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston 16,

> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5

> (brain

> injured--was severe now mild!)

>

October 3, 2005

Traditionally the differences are as follows:

Portable is normally limited on the depth that can be obtained and the

delivery method for the breathing mixture. Unless someone was hoping to

treat deeper than 1.5ata (16.5 fsw) this wouldn't necessarily be a

problem. There are portable systems that can go much deeper, but they

aren't really for the homeowner or typical user and they are much more

expensive. Most of the deeper units are reserved for remote site

medical applications and dive expeditions where a chamber is not an

option.

I recommend that someone does a cost analysis of using 100% o2 to

pressurize the chamber.....I personally know the difference, but

calculating it yourself will open your eyes to the expense. After doing

the math, you would realize that you are much, much better off paying a

facility to safely treat your child. The initial cost of the chamber is

the easy part.

Safety differences with using 100% o2 to pressurize the chamber are as

follows : do you want to simply blowup half of your house or do you want

to blow up half your house and burn down three neighbors to each side.

Remember that o2 is an accelerant and a very, very good one at that.

Anyone considering either option should look into the training videos

for pressure vessel explosions and o2 fires to get a picture of what can

happen with either.

If I were personally going to choose I would use the mask (or better yet

a hood if it were available) delivery method and use air to pressurize

the chamber. Some people will claim that when using this combo (mask o2

and air to press) that there are concerns about different molecular

weight gasses and the transcutaneous off gassing concerns regarding

nitrogen. There aren't. Hello....I have one word for those

People.....MULTIPLACE CHAMBER !! (ok 2 words).

And finally, plain and simple....... topical o2 doesn't work. The whole

idea of using ( key word here ) HYPERBARIC oxygen is to allow the o2 to

be carried in the plasma, not just the red blood cells. Not to mention

the " crossing the brain blood barrier " thing and a host of other reason

that we use the pressure in the first place. Believe me....if we are

trying to get more o2 to our brain then it needs to come from within NOT

FROM THE OUTSIDE !!!

I have been trying and trying for years to pound some sense INTO other

peoples heads and thus far it too has proven impossible....just like

trying to improve our brain with topical or external o2 !!

Just my thoughts on the topics presented.

Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

Director

South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

3 Professional Park Drive

Webster, Texas 77598

281.554.8848

" He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

Galen

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

dear donna i think there is a difference between portalbe and hospital

grade chambers , in term of how much they can be pressurised . but

concerning using a mask via , compressing with full oxygen , or using a

hood , there is no difference at all in the benefit and i am sure the

professional on that list can confirm this .

love

viviane

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

about

hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able

to

help provide me with some information.

On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

100% O2.

One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

chamber

(okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom

that

she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

same as

being in a hospital grade chamber.

That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in,

his

entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his

entire

system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

frequently

don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen

to

their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

neurological

function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

respiratory

alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the

whole

body.

We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't

think

I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

chambers

are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

gain made

in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save

our

pennies for another round.

So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

this, but

who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

informed

choice.

Thanks in advance to all the experts.

--

Donna

Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston

16,

Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5

(brain

injured--was severe now mild!)

October 3, 2005

Viviane,

CONFIRMED! and if I may add that we hospital grade providers also dispense

pure 100% medical grade Oxygen that is regulated by the FDA! I personally am

not certain, nor convinced that any of these portable\home based unit

provide the same standard of U.S. grade care! For all the correspondence and

confusion amongst many over the last several months, I'd submit there are

many differences in the quality and type of care one receives at a " true

Hospital based, or free standing type clinics " I am also sure like myself

any professional on this list that owns a clinic and truly knows the

difference in care that is provided for the patient should certainly weight

in on this one!

Sincerely,

O , Director of Operations

Phone: (570) 421-3415

Fax: (570) 421-9873

Email: support@...

Web: www.thejennyrosecenter.com

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

dear donna i think there is a difference between portalbe and hospital

grade chambers , in term of how much they can be pressurised . but

concerning using a mask via , compressing with full oxygen , or using a hood

, there is no difference at all in the benefit and i am sure the

professional on that list can confirm this .

love

viviane

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question about

hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able

to

help provide me with some information.

On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the 100%

O2.

One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

chamber

(okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom

that

she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the same

as

being in a hospital grade chamber.

That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in,

his

entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his

entire

system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

frequently

don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen to

their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

neurological

function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

respiratory

alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the

whole

body.

We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't

think

I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

chambers

are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the gain

made

in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save our

pennies for another round.

So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all this,

but

who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

informed

choice.

Thanks in advance to all the experts.

--

Donna

Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston

16,

Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5

(brain

injured--was severe now mild!)

October 3, 2005

Here are the key words one must consider: " The FDA has approved topical

hyperbaric machines that work under such principles, but they are not

HBO " --- get it! NOT HYPERBARIC MEDICINE! NOR ARE THEY APPROVED UNDER

INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR GOOD REASONS! In fact if it where not for

Podiatrists, etc trying to bill for topically HBOT years ago they would be

allowed to provide and treat for covered woundcare indications today! FACT!

Furthermore I must belive somewhere within this forum we must not convey, or

white-wash the differences in care provided, yet remain true to the

practice/profession! Our altruisms and morals must provide succinct and

clear understanding to those seeking unbiased answers.

O

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

Dear Ms. Bateman,

discussions comparing portables vs

100% oxygen chambers may be futile.

They are different, but not in the way you imagine,

and both are useful.

Oxygen enters mainly through the nose and mouth

-into the lungs and to the blood-

not through the skin.

We are not insects.

Of course, a negligible amount -vis a vis the systemic needs-

will enter through the skin, with some local action

on wounds and skin ulcers.

The FDA has approved topical hyperbaric machines that work

under such principles, but they are not HBO.

In this aspect, the seller was right:

if you used either a tight oro-nasal mask with bag,

or a hood, the amount of oxygen delivered to the lungs would be similar

to what you get in a chamber pressurized with oxygen

pressures and concentrations being the same.

It applies to other air-pressurized chambers,

like the multiplaces.

Contrary to your belief, in hyperbarics we rely only

on the much more efficient pulmo-circulatory delivery mechanism,

With air-pressurized chambers, pressure is also there,

but medical oxygen will not be " all around " . Regarding safety,

-although there has never been a accident- it is a definite plus.

If a child would not tolerate a mask or a hood,

and the highest concentrations were indicated,

an oxygen-pressurized chamber would be the only choice, though.

A discussion of the relative merits of a mild hyperbaric protocol

versus a 100% oxygen low hyperbaric protocol is not relevant now:

is a completely different issue.

If you wanted to help others make the best informed choice,

the way is to become more educated on these matters,

as you implied.

Education coming from sellers or from people with blatantly vested

interests

is to be considered biased,

although not necessarily unreliable.

In these matters, knowledge of all the possible variables,

the diverse systems and their abilities

can help anybody save a lot of time, money,

and most importantly, health.

This field is on the making. We learn what needs to be clarified,

also from your questions.

I hope it helped.

Best regards,

Ignacio Fojgel, M.D.

Maimonides University

Buenos Aires, Argentina

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:05:47 -0300, Donna Bateman

<donna.bateman@...> wrote:

> I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question about

> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able to

> help provide me with some information.

>

> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the 100%

> O2.

> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

> chamber

> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom

> that

> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the same

> as

> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>

> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in,

> his

> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his

> entire

> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

> frequently

> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen to

> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

> neurological

> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

> respiratory

> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the whole

> body.

>

> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't think

> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

> chambers

> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the gain

> made

> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save our

> pennies for another round.

>

> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all this,

> but

> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

> informed

> choice.

>

> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>

> --

> Donna

> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston 16,

> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5

> (brain

> injured--was severe now mild!)

>

October 3, 2005

Jay,

Thank You! Sincerely thank you! I have read your mailings for well over a

year now and you are one of the most sensible and knowledgably unbiased,

etc, etc professionals throughout the list! I know you have tried and tried

so many times to convey the differences to parents and professionals alike

time and time again! I can only guess what you do with your " spare time " and

I wish I had the same time and passion!--truly. On the lighter side over the

years you must be copying and pasting you text by now?

O

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

dear donna i think there is a difference between portalbe and hospital

grade chambers , in term of how much they can be pressurised . but

concerning using a mask via , compressing with full oxygen , or using a

hood , there is no difference at all in the benefit and i am sure the

professional on that list can confirm this .

love

viviane

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

about

hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able

to

help provide me with some information.

On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

100% O2.

One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

chamber

(okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom

that

she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

same as

being in a hospital grade chamber.

That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in,

his

entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his

entire

system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

frequently

don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen

to

their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

neurological

function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

respiratory

alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the

whole

body.

We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't

think

I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

chambers

are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

gain made

in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save

our

pennies for another round.

So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

this, but

who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

informed

choice.

Thanks in advance to all the experts.

--

Donna

Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston

16,

Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5

(brain

injured--was severe now mild!)

October 3, 2005

Jay and the list:

In case I was correct about the copy and past thing? I took an excerpt from

my own past posting as follows:

My personal opinion to your main question on it's usefulness depends

greatly on ones intended use. Under pressure the ambient air one breaths

will raise oxygen in plasma slightly, but by no means will it raise above

the desired 90% when used with pure oxygen (the start of true therapeutic

hyperbaric oxygen therapy). That is not to say raising ones oxygen level

slightly under pressure is not therapeutic, but rather that is is not

reaping the full benefits of true hyperbaric therapy as it was intended. For

personal use one may consider it as a maintenance device in-between actual

hyperbaric treatments? The underlying question of whether or not one will be

able to receive oxygen at home for use with this camber I am sure will vary

as well. Pure oxygen gas is regulated by the FDA as a drug and can only be

prescribe for it's usage by a Doctor. Some may want to insure they are

candidates for HBOT by prescription first and if they will be able to except

oxygen deliveries to their home. It is also my humble opinion that if one

medically treats ones own child without direction from a Doctor one assumes

full responsibilities for their direct actions.

Lastly, allow me to be clear on my overall opinion with regards to this

portable chamber. I sincerely hope it helps people as I am sure it is

intended to do so. Each individual must make educated decisions simply on an

individual basis. Do some homework and if ones fells it's a viable safe

option to help ones self, or a loved one then by all means engage in doing

so.

Sincerely,

O , Director of Operations

Phone: (570) 421-3415

Fax: (570) 421-9873

Email: support@...

Web: www.thejennyrosecenter.com

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

dear donna i think there is a difference between portalbe and hospital

grade chambers , in term of how much they can be pressurised . but

concerning using a mask via , compressing with full oxygen , or using a

hood , there is no difference at all in the benefit and i am sure the

professional on that list can confirm this .

love

viviane

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

about

hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able

to

help provide me with some information.

On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

100% O2.

One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

chamber

(okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom

that

she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

same as

being in a hospital grade chamber.

That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in,

his

entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his

entire

system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

frequently

don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen

to

their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

neurological

function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

respiratory

alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the

whole

body.

We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't

think

I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

chambers

are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

gain made

in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save

our

pennies for another round.

So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

this, but

who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

informed

choice.

Thanks in advance to all the experts.

--

Donna

Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston

16,

Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5

(brain

injured--was severe now mild!)

October 3, 2005

I have to say I agree with the expense of filling a chamber with O2. For

anyone thinking of getting a chamber make sure you can deliver the oxygen

via hood or mask because filling a chamber with O2 is very expensive. If

you are treating a child you will want to use a hood. You will then want to

purchase liquid oxygen because it a lot less expensive. As far as blowing

up your house or your neighbors just don't be stupid. Fire requires 4

things: 1 source of ignition 2 something to burn 3 oxygen (#4 I am

steeling from a post a long time ago) 4 an idiot to start it.

Don't let people scare you away from helping your children. Learn!!! Be

safe!!! All fires and explosions have been caused by human error. Doing a

treatment at home is no different than what they do at a treatment center or

hospital if you buy a chamber that can be pressurize the same and you give

100% O2. There is no magic involved!

However,I do believe there is magic in the waiting room of an ER because

everytime my kids get hurt and I bring them there they are magically well

when the doctor sees them.

Love to all,

Rose Manning

Re: [ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

dear donna i think there is a difference between portalbe and hospital

grade chambers , in term of how much they can be pressurised . but

concerning using a mask via , compressing with full oxygen , or using a

hood , there is no difference at all in the benefit and i am sure the

professional on that list can confirm this .

love

viviane

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

about

hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able

to

help provide me with some information.

On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

100% O2.

One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

chamber

(okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom

that

she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

same as

being in a hospital grade chamber.

That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in,

his

entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his

entire

system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

frequently

don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen

to

their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

neurological

function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

respiratory

alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the

whole

body.

We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't

think

I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

chambers

are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

gain made

in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save

our

pennies for another round.

So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

this, but

who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

informed

choice.

Thanks in advance to all the experts.

--

Donna

Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston

16,

Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5

(brain

injured--was severe now mild!)

October 4, 2005

Donna the only real difference is the pressure. Oxygen is only absorbed

about 5 micron's into the skin. The real delivery system is the blood the

oxygen that is breathed into the lings goes intot he blood stream and is

carried out to the body. the pressure is what pushes the O2 further out into

the Body. Some kid's do well in portables. However some kid's need that

extra pressure you cannot get from the portables. There is good in both

chambers. Now if you ask me about the oxygen I personally like the hood or

the chamber being totally pressureized in O2. I do not the canula method.

the hood allows for 100% o2 delivery. Tthe chamber being pressurized with

100 o2 allows 100% delivery. Nasal canula does not Im not sure of what the

percentage is. It is strictly a trial and error type thing. I tell everyone

that if you don't get results from one go tot he other before giving up. I

agree with you on Dawson. HE was doing very well after you put him in the

portable. However he made enormous gains from the Monoplace. We both saw the

diffeence. I was overwhelmed at his acheivements. I still refer to him today

when talking with people at his overwhelming improvements. I hope I

clarified this to you. Most people I no use the portablr with a Nasal

canual. I really think it depends on the person and the illness being

treated.

Darin

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

>I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question about

> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able to

> help provide me with some information.

>

> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the 100%

> O2.

> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

> chamber

> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom

> that

> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the same as

> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>

> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in, his

> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his

> entire

> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

> frequently

> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen to

> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain neurological

> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

> respiratory

> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the whole

> body.

>

> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't think

> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

> chambers

> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the gain

> made

> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save our

> pennies for another round.

>

> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all this,

> but

> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

> informed

> choice.

>

> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>

> --

> Donna

> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston 16,

> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5

> (brain

> injured--was severe now mild!)

>

October 4, 2005

Regarding this Statement.

Safety differences with using 100% o2 to pressurize the chamber are as

follows : do you want to simply blowup half of your house or do you want

to blow up half your house and burn down three neighbors to each side.

Remember that o2 is an accelerant and a very, very good one at that.

Anyone considering either option should look into the training videos

for pressure vessel explosions and o2 fires to get a picture of what can

happen with either.

I agree with many things. however this is allway's been a sore subjet with

me. Depending ont he person a chamber at home can be done very saftley. I

have had a chamber in my home for over 3 years now. It is inspected every

year. I have the fire marshall out to my home 2 a month. In fact it is noted

documented that the chamber I have in my home is more safe than most centers

are today. So it can be sone on a safety issure. Now Jay is correct it is

however very expensive. The Oxygen cost can sometimes be overwhelming.

$300.00 for 7 treatments. Is around what the Oxygen will cost you. It will

cost you for yearly maintance. Now we had no alternative with Kaltyn. Katlyn

had treatmetns and required more the cost was overwhelming to us. We

traveled out of state stayed in hotels and the cost for one year doing this

was around $200,000. I got reciepts if you need to see them. We put this

chamber in our home for $200,000. if you add in all the modifications O2

sensors Fire sprinklers fore protection. Fire Wall's Electrostaic Floors.

Yes we did all this. It was very costly. Do I regert it No and Yes. I had to

become the treater of my child with a physicians suppervison. It was tough.

But I loved the time we got to spend at home. So yes it can be done safetly.

I respect Jay and understand what he is saying I think he is one of the

greatest men on the list. Im not back lashing at him. Im just saying it van

be done and saftely. My neighbors support me 100%. Having a Chamber in my

home has allowed me to attend many conferences on o2 and it's saftey. It

also allowed me to consider the paramedic feild which I finish the end of

the month. I will also cross train in the fire department after completion

of the Paramedic certification. I cannot tell you howmany home based

chambers there are here within 100 miles of me.

Darin

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

>

> I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question

> about

> hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able

> to

> help provide me with some information.

>

> On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the

> 100% O2.

> One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

> chamber

> (okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom

> that

> she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the

> same as

> being in a hospital grade chamber.

>

> That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in,

> his

> entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his

> entire

> system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

> respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

> frequently

> don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen

> to

> their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

> neurological

> function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

> respiratory

> alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the

> whole

> body.

>

> We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't

> think

> I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

> chambers

> are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

> instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

> portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the

> gain made

> in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save

> our

> pennies for another round.

>

> So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all

> this, but

> who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

> informed

> choice.

>

> Thanks in advance to all the experts.

>

> --

> Donna

> Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston

> 16,

> Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5

> (brain

> injured--was severe now mild!)

>

October 4, 2005

thanks john for confirming what i said . would like to add that i had treatments

in UK in a hyperbaric center , but seeing how good it was for my daughter , i

choose to have my own chamber at home ( steel , multiplace ( 3 patients ) ) ,

which i have been operating for the last five years and done over 400 dives ,

and am so confident and relaxedregarding the safety issue . I am a bit more

concerned driving my car . i use 100% Oxygen delivered with a hood for isa , and

I occationally treat myself with a course of HBO just as wellbeing measure using

a mask , I go in with my daughter and my husband operate the chamber , or the

other way round .

love

viviane

[ ] Finally---a question about HBOT!!!

I know there are those that will be shocked, but I have a question about

hyperbarics. I hope Darin, Jay, Ignacio, and others will be able

to

help provide me with some information.

On another group we are having a discussion about portables vs the 100%

O2.

One mother is considering buying a portable. The person selling the

chamber

(okay, I know there can be ulterior motives right there) told this mom

that

she could use an oxygen mask with this chamber and it would be the same

as

being in a hospital grade chamber.

That doesn't seem right to me. I know in the chamber Dawson's been in,

his

entire body is surrounded with the oxygen under pressure, thereby his

entire

system benefits. The other delivery method seems to rely solely on the

respiratory system to deliver the oxygen. Brain injured children

frequently

don't breathe deeply or rhythmically enough to provide enough oxygen to

their system for healing or sometimes even enough to maintain

neurological

function----so it doesn't seem like a great idea to rely on the

respiratory

alone, especially if chambers are available that can deliver to the

whole

body.

We have used both types of chambers for Dawson and frankly, I don't

think

I'll ever use a portable chamber again---unless the hospital grade

chambers

are completely unavailable. The differences for Dawson were dramatic,

instant, and permanent with the 100% O2, but the differences with the

portable with very subtle and fleeting. I could hardly believe the gain

made

in such a short period of time for him. We are VERY anxious to save our

pennies for another round.

So those are the thoughts of a person who is uneducated about all this,

but

who would like to know more and wants to help others make the best

informed

choice.

Thanks in advance to all the experts.

--

Donna

Mom to 21 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 19 (at BYU), Preston

16,

Annie 14, Kent 12, Callie 9 (cured from dyslexia), Carson 7, Dawson 5

(brain

injured--was severe now mild!)

October 4, 2005