Re: Study on autism and HBOT

August 7, 2005

Hi Sunny!!

would you mention the rest of the variables:

pressure/concentration/duration of session?

Two treatments per week may sound scarce

to those who insist in twice-a-day-or-more,

but not to cram patients with oxygen too often

does make sense.

Best regards!!

Ignacio

Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

Maimonides University

Buenos Aires, Argentina

On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:02:45 -0300, Sunny Sonnenrein

<sunny124ny@...> wrote:

> To all on the list,

>

> I spoke with a center owner yesterday who is in the

> final stages of an IRB approved study on HBOT for

> autism. I will fill you in on more details as they

> become available, but the initial study group is 10

> children (enough " sample " to warrant further studies).

> Some are being chelated, some are not. None had made

> gains with their ongoing therapies until HBOT came

> " into the mix " . A scale of measurable objective

> improvements is in place, and all children are making

> gains of 2% per week with two treatments per week.

>

> I will let you know when and where the study will be

> published.

>

> Best to all,

> Sunny

>

> __________________________________________________

>

August 7, 2005

Hi Ignacio,

of course I will forward any additional info as soon

as I get it. I know that they have Sechrist 2500

chambers compressed with 100% O2, but I have to

continue my conversation with them regarding treatment

time and depth. I promise I will let you know.

Will I see you in Barcelona?

Take care,

Sunny

--- " Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. " <ignacio@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Sunny!!

> would you mention the rest of the variables:

> pressure/concentration/duration of session?

> Two treatments per week may sound scarce

> to those who insist in twice-a-day-or-more,

> but not to cram patients with oxygen too often

> does make sense.

> Best regards!!

> Ignacio

> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

> Maimonides University

> Buenos Aires, Argentina

>

> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:02:45 -0300, Sunny Sonnenrein

>

> <sunny124ny@...> wrote:

>

> > To all on the list,

> >

> > I spoke with a center owner yesterday who is in

> the

> > final stages of an IRB approved study on HBOT for

> > autism. I will fill you in on more details as they

> > become available, but the initial study group is

> 10

> > children (enough " sample " to warrant further

> studies).

> > Some are being chelated, some are not. None had

> made

> > gains with their ongoing therapies until HBOT came

> > " into the mix " . A scale of measurable objective

> > improvements is in place, and all children are

> making

> > gains of 2% per week with two treatments per week.

> >

> > I will let you know when and where the study will

> be

> > published.

> >

> > Best to all,

> > Sunny

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

August 7, 2005

Ignacio,

I agree with trying to do too much at one time. We tried sessions

twice a day, but Dawson seemed not to progress well and was a smidge

agitated. When we did only one session 5 days per week and continued

with our Family Hope Center program in conjunction with his HBOT, he

seemed to really sail.

After having tried a portable chamber twice daily for 46 sessions,

then a Sechrist chamber twice daily, then backed down to once daily

just 5 days per week---I saw very different responses from Dawson with

each variable.

It does make me wonder if there are differences for each individual or

if there is really a " best " way to administer HBOT for everyone.

On 8/7/05, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. <ignacio@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Sunny!!

> would you mention the rest of the variables:

> pressure/concentration/duration of session?

> Two treatments per week may sound scarce

> to those who insist in twice-a-day-or-more,

> but not to cram patients with oxygen too often

> does make sense.

> Best regards!!

> Ignacio

> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

> Maimonides University

> Buenos Aires, Argentina

>

> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:02:45 -0300, Sunny Sonnenrein

> <sunny124ny@...> wrote:

>

> > To all on the list,

> >

> > I spoke with a center owner yesterday who is in the

> > final stages of an IRB approved study on HBOT for

> > autism. I will fill you in on more details as they

> > become available, but the initial study group is 10

> > children (enough " sample " to warrant further studies).

> > Some are being chelated, some are not. None had made

> > gains with their ongoing therapies until HBOT came

> > " into the mix " . A scale of measurable objective

> > improvements is in place, and all children are making

> > gains of 2% per week with two treatments per week.

> >

> > I will let you know when and where the study will be

> > published.

> >

> > Best to all,

> > Sunny

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

August 7, 2005

OOOPS!!! I meant to say I agree ABOUT not with! Sorry!

On 8/7/05, Donna Bateman <donna.bateman@...> wrote:

> Ignacio,

> I agree with trying to do too much at one time. We tried sessions

> twice a day, but Dawson seemed not to progress well and was a smidge

> agitated. When we did only one session 5 days per week and continued

> with our Family Hope Center program in conjunction with his HBOT, he

> seemed to really sail.

>

> After having tried a portable chamber twice daily for 46 sessions,

> then a Sechrist chamber twice daily, then backed down to once daily

> just 5 days per week---I saw very different responses from Dawson with

> each variable.

>

> It does make me wonder if there are differences for each individual or

> if there is really a " best " way to administer HBOT for everyone.

> On 8/7/05, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. <ignacio@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Sunny!!

> > would you mention the rest of the variables:

> > pressure/concentration/duration of session?

> > Two treatments per week may sound scarce

> > to those who insist in twice-a-day-or-more,

> > but not to cram patients with oxygen too often

> > does make sense.

> > Best regards!!

> > Ignacio

> > Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

> > Maimonides University

> > Buenos Aires, Argentina

> >

> > On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:02:45 -0300, Sunny Sonnenrein

> > <sunny124ny@...> wrote:

> >

> > > To all on the list,

> > >

> > > I spoke with a center owner yesterday who is in the

> > > final stages of an IRB approved study on HBOT for

> > > autism. I will fill you in on more details as they

> > > become available, but the initial study group is 10

> > > children (enough " sample " to warrant further studies).

> > > Some are being chelated, some are not. None had made

> > > gains with their ongoing therapies until HBOT came

> > > " into the mix " . A scale of measurable objective

> > > improvements is in place, and all children are making

> > > gains of 2% per week with two treatments per week.

> > >

> > > I will let you know when and where the study will be

> > > published.

> > >

> > > Best to all,

> > > Sunny

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

August 7, 2005

Dear Donna,

there are differences between individuals -wider than generally

aknowledged-,

and wild differences between different states of the same individual, too.

There is a way to avoid side effects or lagging treatments:

inicial low pressures, gradual increase, and eternal vigilance.

It would be very educational if you could describe the different responses

to each of the combination of variables in more detail.

May be we could come to some generally useful conclusion

or at least, attempt a plausible explanation of the differences.

Best regards.

Ignacio

Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

Maimonides University

Buenos Aires, Argentina

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:56:46 -0300, Donna Bateman

<donna.bateman@...> wrote:

> Ignacio,

> I agree with trying to do too much at one time. We tried sessions

> twice a day, but Dawson seemed not to progress well and was a smidge

> agitated. When we did only one session 5 days per week and continued

> with our Family Hope Center program in conjunction with his HBOT, he

> seemed to really sail.

>

> After having tried a portable chamber twice daily for 46 sessions,

> then a Sechrist chamber twice daily, then backed down to once daily

> just 5 days per week---I saw very different responses from Dawson with

> each variable.

>

> It does make me wonder if there are differences for each individual or

> if there is really a " best " way to administer HBOT for everyone.

> On 8/7/05, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. <ignacio@...> wrote:

>>

>> Hi Sunny!!

>> would you mention the rest of the variables:

>> pressure/concentration/duration of session?

>> Two treatments per week may sound scarce

>> to those who insist in twice-a-day-or-more,

>> but not to cram patients with oxygen too often

>> does make sense.

>> Best regards!!

>> Ignacio

>> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

>> Maimonides University

>> Buenos Aires, Argentina

>>

>> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:02:45 -0300, Sunny Sonnenrein

>> <sunny124ny@...> wrote:

>>

>> > To all on the list,

>> >

>> > I spoke with a center owner yesterday who is in the

>> > final stages of an IRB approved study on HBOT for

>> > autism. I will fill you in on more details as they

>> > become available, but the initial study group is 10

>> > children (enough " sample " to warrant further studies).

>> > Some are being chelated, some are not. None had made

>> > gains with their ongoing therapies until HBOT came

>> > " into the mix " . A scale of measurable objective

>> > improvements is in place, and all children are making

>> > gains of 2% per week with two treatments per week.

>> >

>> > I will let you know when and where the study will be

>> > published.

>> >

>> > Best to all,

>> > Sunny

>> >

>> > __________________________________________________

>> >

August 7, 2005

Ignacio,

I'll confess that I need to call the chamber operator and ask more

about the pressures and times to fully pressurize. I know initially,

he was pressurized in a more gradual way and was able to " go down "

much more quickly the last half of the sessions. He learned how to

clear his ears and relax---he was in the chamber alone (he's 5 and

watched movies during the sessions.) and never once did the sessions

seem to stress him or even scare or confuse him. It was a totally

positive experience.

However, when we did 46 sessions in 30 days in a portable chamber, I

saw only mild improvements. His nystagmus was a little slower, he was

speaking a little more detailed, his depth perception seemed a little

better. It did, however, encourage me to learn more about HBOT.

After I learned about 100% O2 chambers, I knew that was what Dawson

needed. I'll, quite honestly, never both with a portable chamber

without O2 again. The differences were very dramatic for

Dawson---maybe it's different for others, but the O2 is vital for him.

When we started with the Sechrist, initially at once per day 5 days

per week, we saw dramatic and immediate improvement. After only 9

sessions, he picked up a commercial print book (Dick and Jane) and

started reading out loud like a pro. Previous to this, his print size

had to be 1 " tall with a thick magnum marker. He became more fluid in

his movement and his vision seemed to be sailing forward. His sense

of humor emerged more.

Then I became impatient and thought twice a day would finish it up

sooner and would bring even better results---WRONGO!!! The chamber

operator even mentioned to me that Dawson seemed a bit on edge. He

was a little less compliant. I didn't see any improvement from the

increase.

When we went back to once a day 5 days per week, his improvement

continued. I was sad when we reached the end of our first round.

Well, sorry to gush, but you did ask.

The general conclusion I have about Dawson is that combining the HBOT

with his neurodevelopmental program (which includes vaso-dilation) was

the MOST powerful method for him. Giving his body the oxygen and then

through the nd program directing the body on how to use the O2 and

where to direct the healing was just " what the doctor ordered. " LOL!

If only the doctor knew enough to order it!!!

Gathering information from others on this group has been priceless for

me and I'm so grateful for the encouragement and knowledge shared

here. I wouldn't have pursued this without reading so much from each

of you! Thanks ever so much for walking the pathway ahead of me!

On 8/7/05, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. <ignacio@...> wrote:

>

> Dear Donna,

> there are differences between individuals -wider than generally

> aknowledged-,

> and wild differences between different states of the same individual, too.

> There is a way to avoid side effects or lagging treatments:

> inicial low pressures, gradual increase, and eternal vigilance.

>

> It would be very educational if you could describe the different responses

> to each of the combination of variables in more detail.

> May be we could come to some generally useful conclusion

> or at least, attempt a plausible explanation of the differences.

> Best regards.

> Ignacio

> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

> Maimonides University

> Buenos Aires, Argentina

>

> On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:56:46 -0300, Donna Bateman

> <donna.bateman@...> wrote:

>

> > Ignacio,

> > I agree with trying to do too much at one time. We tried sessions

> > twice a day, but Dawson seemed not to progress well and was a smidge

> > agitated. When we did only one session 5 days per week and continued

> > with our Family Hope Center program in conjunction with his HBOT, he

> > seemed to really sail.

> >

> > After having tried a portable chamber twice daily for 46 sessions,

> > then a Sechrist chamber twice daily, then backed down to once daily

> > just 5 days per week---I saw very different responses from Dawson with

> > each variable.

> >

> > It does make me wonder if there are differences for each individual or

> > if there is really a " best " way to administer HBOT for everyone.

> > On 8/7/05, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. <ignacio@...> wrote:

> >>

> >> Hi Sunny!!

> >> would you mention the rest of the variables:

> >> pressure/concentration/duration of session?

> >> Two treatments per week may sound scarce

> >> to those who insist in twice-a-day-or-more,

> >> but not to cram patients with oxygen too often

> >> does make sense.

> >> Best regards!!

> >> Ignacio

> >> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

> >> Maimonides University

> >> Buenos Aires, Argentina

> >>

> >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:02:45 -0300, Sunny Sonnenrein

> >> <sunny124ny@...> wrote:

> >>

> >> > To all on the list,

> >> >

> >> > I spoke with a center owner yesterday who is in the

> >> > final stages of an IRB approved study on HBOT for

> >> > autism. I will fill you in on more details as they

> >> > become available, but the initial study group is 10

> >> > children (enough " sample " to warrant further studies).

> >> > Some are being chelated, some are not. None had made

> >> > gains with their ongoing therapies until HBOT came

> >> > " into the mix " . A scale of measurable objective

> >> > improvements is in place, and all children are making

> >> > gains of 2% per week with two treatments per week.

> >> >

> >> > I will let you know when and where the study will be

> >> > published.

> >> >

> >> > Best to all,

> >> > Sunny

> >> >

> >> > __________________________________________________

> >> >

August 8, 2005

Dear Donna,

thank you for your thorough report.

There may be a different perspective, from this corner of the world.

It doesn't matter what kind of chamber you use, or its brand or model,

but the actual pressure/concentration/duration/frequency applied,

and its personalized modifications during the course of sessions.

I have recently seen one of the most sophisticated multiplace chamber,

with a redundant computerized control console,

three compressors and four intermediate tanks, the works.

You would bet your throat that they controlled

the amount of oxygen delivered to each patient exactly,

automatic real-time charts in the multiple screens, clocks and all,

but -a detail...-

the masks were not tight enough

so the bags failed to collapse with each breath.

So much for exactness.

Anyway, their therapeutic results were good.

So much for dose-dependency.

Latitude of action is too wide, as individual variations are.

If you added oxygen to 1.3ATA

(the pressure one of these portable chambers is capable of),

you could multiply five-fold the partial pressure of oxygen it delivers.

A two-fold multiplication over air would be enough to get a different

effect,

easily attainable with a concentrator.

Pressure/concentration can also be made more efficient by physical activity

(as any diver knows)

and/or pharmacological substances,

but for pharmacochemicals you would need a licensed physician.

Of course, such a usage depends on what is permited locally,

plus adequate formal training and some experience.

Neurodevelopmental training and special educational/conductual therapy,

combined with the chamber seems to get better results than each of these

alone.

Other measures, like biological remedies, dietary interventions and heavy

metal detox

are also synergistic with hyperbarics.

It only needs to be tailored to the individual patient,

carefully avoiding to overdo it or to fall short.

Thanks again for sharing your experience with us all.

Best regards.

Ignacio

Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

Maimonides University,

Buenos Aires, Argentina.

On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:22:04 -0300, Donna Bateman

<donna.bateman@...> wrote:

> Ignacio,

> I'll confess that I need to call the chamber operator and ask more

> about the pressures and times to fully pressurize. I know initially,

> he was pressurized in a more gradual way and was able to " go down "

> much more quickly the last half of the sessions. He learned how to

> clear his ears and relax---he was in the chamber alone (he's 5 and

> watched movies during the sessions.) and never once did the sessions

> seem to stress him or even scare or confuse him. It was a totally

> positive experience.

>

> However, when we did 46 sessions in 30 days in a portable chamber, I

> saw only mild improvements. His nystagmus was a little slower, he was

> speaking a little more detailed, his depth perception seemed a little

> better. It did, however, encourage me to learn more about HBOT.

> After I learned about 100% O2 chambers, I knew that was what Dawson

> needed. I'll, quite honestly, never both with a portable chamber

> without O2 again. The differences were very dramatic for

> Dawson---maybe it's different for others, but the O2 is vital for him.

>

> When we started with the Sechrist, initially at once per day 5 days

> per week, we saw dramatic and immediate improvement. After only 9

> sessions, he picked up a commercial print book (Dick and Jane) and

> started reading out loud like a pro. Previous to this, his print size

> had to be 1 " tall with a thick magnum marker. He became more fluid in

> his movement and his vision seemed to be sailing forward. His sense

> of humor emerged more.

>

> Then I became impatient and thought twice a day would finish it up

> sooner and would bring even better results---WRONGO!!! The chamber

> operator even mentioned to me that Dawson seemed a bit on edge. He

> was a little less compliant. I didn't see any improvement from the

> increase.

>

> When we went back to once a day 5 days per week, his improvement

> continued. I was sad when we reached the end of our first round.

>

> Well, sorry to gush, but you did ask.

>

> The general conclusion I have about Dawson is that combining the HBOT

> with his neurodevelopmental program (which includes vaso-dilation) was

> the MOST powerful method for him. Giving his body the oxygen and then

> through the nd program directing the body on how to use the O2 and

> where to direct the healing was just " what the doctor ordered. " LOL!

> If only the doctor knew enough to order it!!!

>

> Gathering information from others on this group has been priceless for

> me and I'm so grateful for the encouragement and knowledge shared

> here. I wouldn't have pursued this without reading so much from each

> of you! Thanks ever so much for walking the pathway ahead of me!

>

> On 8/7/05, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. <ignacio@...> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Donna,

>> there are differences between individuals -wider than generally

>> aknowledged-,

>> and wild differences between different states of the same individual,

>> too.

>> There is a way to avoid side effects or lagging treatments:

>> inicial low pressures, gradual increase, and eternal vigilance.

>>

>> It would be very educational if you could describe the different

>> responses

>> to each of the combination of variables in more detail.

>> May be we could come to some generally useful conclusion

>> or at least, attempt a plausible explanation of the differences.

>> Best regards.

>> Ignacio

>> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

>> Maimonides University

>> Buenos Aires, Argentina

>>

>> On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:56:46 -0300, Donna Bateman

>> <donna.bateman@...> wrote:

>>

>> > Ignacio,

>> > I agree with trying to do too much at one time. We tried sessions

>> > twice a day, but Dawson seemed not to progress well and was a smidge

>> > agitated. When we did only one session 5 days per week and continued

>> > with our Family Hope Center program in conjunction with his HBOT, he

>> > seemed to really sail.

>> >

>> > After having tried a portable chamber twice daily for 46 sessions,

>> > then a Sechrist chamber twice daily, then backed down to once daily

>> > just 5 days per week---I saw very different responses from Dawson with

>> > each variable.

>> >

>> > It does make me wonder if there are differences for each individual or

>> > if there is really a " best " way to administer HBOT for everyone.

>> > On 8/7/05, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. <ignacio@...> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Hi Sunny!!

>> >> would you mention the rest of the variables:

>> >> pressure/concentration/duration of session?

>> >> Two treatments per week may sound scarce

>> >> to those who insist in twice-a-day-or-more,

>> >> but not to cram patients with oxygen too often

>> >> does make sense.

>> >> Best regards!!

>> >> Ignacio

>> >> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

>> >> Maimonides University

>> >> Buenos Aires, Argentina

>> >>

>> >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:02:45 -0300, Sunny Sonnenrein

>> >> <sunny124ny@...> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> > To all on the list,

>> >> >

>> >> > I spoke with a center owner yesterday who is in the

>> >> > final stages of an IRB approved study on HBOT for

>> >> > autism. I will fill you in on more details as they

>> >> > become available, but the initial study group is 10

>> >> > children (enough " sample " to warrant further studies).

>> >> > Some are being chelated, some are not. None had made

>> >> > gains with their ongoing therapies until HBOT came

>> >> > " into the mix " . A scale of measurable objective

>> >> > improvements is in place, and all children are making

>> >> > gains of 2% per week with two treatments per week.

>> >> >

>> >> > I will let you know when and where the study will be

>> >> > published.

>> >> >

>> >> > Best to all,

>> >> > Sunny

>> >> >

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August 8, 2005

Ignacio,

I should have been more clear---I mentioned Sechrist just to detail

the fact that there was 100% O2 at higher ATA than the portable

without any oxygen or use of a concentrator.

Just fyi, Dawson's neurodevelopmental program includes homeopathic

remedies, heavy metal detox, cranial sacral, myofascia work, and a

personalized diet/supplements regimen.

I think for us---and many others---there is a stew approach. Many

different ingredients working together toward one end. Everyone's

" stew " has different ingredients in different amounts. There are some

good common basic ingredients, but from there everyone has their own

needs. We've really seen this work well for us and others. Of

course, HBOT really magnifies everything else we were/are doing . It

is truly amazing and I think is one of the foundational basic

ingredients for everyone!

On 8/8/05, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. <ignacio@...> wrote:

> Dear Donna,

> thank you for your thorough report.

> There may be a different perspective, from this corner of the world.

> It doesn't matter what kind of chamber you use, or its brand or model,

> but the actual pressure/concentration/duration/frequency applied,

> and its personalized modifications during the course of sessions.

>

> I have recently seen one of the most sophisticated multiplace chamber,

> with a redundant computerized control console,

> three compressors and four intermediate tanks, the works.

> You would bet your throat that they controlled

> the amount of oxygen delivered to each patient exactly,

> automatic real-time charts in the multiple screens, clocks and all,

> but -a detail...-

> the masks were not tight enough

> so the bags failed to collapse with each breath.

> So much for exactness.

> Anyway, their therapeutic results were good.

> So much for dose-dependency.

> Latitude of action is too wide, as individual variations are.

>

> If you added oxygen to 1.3ATA

> (the pressure one of these portable chambers is capable of),

> you could multiply five-fold the partial pressure of oxygen it delivers.

> A two-fold multiplication over air would be enough to get a different

> effect,

> easily attainable with a concentrator.

>

> Pressure/concentration can also be made more efficient by physical activity

> (as any diver knows)

> and/or pharmacological substances,

> but for pharmacochemicals you would need a licensed physician.

> Of course, such a usage depends on what is permited locally,

> plus adequate formal training and some experience.

>

> Neurodevelopmental training and special educational/conductual therapy,

> combined with the chamber seems to get better results than each of these

> alone.

> Other measures, like biological remedies, dietary interventions and heavy

> metal detox

> are also synergistic with hyperbarics.

>

> It only needs to be tailored to the individual patient,

> carefully avoiding to overdo it or to fall short.

>

> Thanks again for sharing your experience with us all.

> Best regards.

> Ignacio

> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

> Maimonides University,

> Buenos Aires, Argentina.

>

> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 00:22:04 -0300, Donna Bateman

> <donna.bateman@...> wrote:

>

> > Ignacio,

> > I'll confess that I need to call the chamber operator and ask more

> > about the pressures and times to fully pressurize. I know initially,

> > he was pressurized in a more gradual way and was able to " go down "

> > much more quickly the last half of the sessions. He learned how to

> > clear his ears and relax---he was in the chamber alone (he's 5 and

> > watched movies during the sessions.) and never once did the sessions

> > seem to stress him or even scare or confuse him. It was a totally

> > positive experience.

> >

> > However, when we did 46 sessions in 30 days in a portable chamber, I

> > saw only mild improvements. His nystagmus was a little slower, he was

> > speaking a little more detailed, his depth perception seemed a little

> > better. It did, however, encourage me to learn more about HBOT.

> > After I learned about 100% O2 chambers, I knew that was what Dawson

> > needed. I'll, quite honestly, never both with a portable chamber

> > without O2 again. The differences were very dramatic for

> > Dawson---maybe it's different for others, but the O2 is vital for him.

> >

> > When we started with the Sechrist, initially at once per day 5 days

> > per week, we saw dramatic and immediate improvement. After only 9

> > sessions, he picked up a commercial print book (Dick and Jane) and

> > started reading out loud like a pro. Previous to this, his print size

> > had to be 1 " tall with a thick magnum marker. He became more fluid in

> > his movement and his vision seemed to be sailing forward. His sense

> > of humor emerged more.

> >

> > Then I became impatient and thought twice a day would finish it up

> > sooner and would bring even better results---WRONGO!!! The chamber

> > operator even mentioned to me that Dawson seemed a bit on edge. He

> > was a little less compliant. I didn't see any improvement from the

> > increase.

> >

> > When we went back to once a day 5 days per week, his improvement

> > continued. I was sad when we reached the end of our first round.

> >

> > Well, sorry to gush, but you did ask.

> >

> > The general conclusion I have about Dawson is that combining the HBOT

> > with his neurodevelopmental program (which includes vaso-dilation) was

> > the MOST powerful method for him. Giving his body the oxygen and then

> > through the nd program directing the body on how to use the O2 and

> > where to direct the healing was just " what the doctor ordered. " LOL!

> > If only the doctor knew enough to order it!!!

> >

> > Gathering information from others on this group has been priceless for

> > me and I'm so grateful for the encouragement and knowledge shared

> > here. I wouldn't have pursued this without reading so much from each

> > of you! Thanks ever so much for walking the pathway ahead of me!

> >

> > On 8/7/05, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. <ignacio@...> wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Donna,

> >> there are differences between individuals -wider than generally

> >> aknowledged-,

> >> and wild differences between different states of the same individual,

> >> too.

> >> There is a way to avoid side effects or lagging treatments:

> >> inicial low pressures, gradual increase, and eternal vigilance.

> >>

> >> It would be very educational if you could describe the different

> >> responses

> >> to each of the combination of variables in more detail.

> >> May be we could come to some generally useful conclusion

> >> or at least, attempt a plausible explanation of the differences.

> >> Best regards.

> >> Ignacio

> >> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

> >> Maimonides University

> >> Buenos Aires, Argentina

> >>

> >> On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:56:46 -0300, Donna Bateman

> >> <donna.bateman@...> wrote:

> >>

> >> > Ignacio,

> >> > I agree with trying to do too much at one time. We tried sessions

> >> > twice a day, but Dawson seemed not to progress well and was a smidge

> >> > agitated. When we did only one session 5 days per week and continued

> >> > with our Family Hope Center program in conjunction with his HBOT, he

> >> > seemed to really sail.

> >> >

> >> > After having tried a portable chamber twice daily for 46 sessions,

> >> > then a Sechrist chamber twice daily, then backed down to once daily

> >> > just 5 days per week---I saw very different responses from Dawson with

> >> > each variable.

> >> >

> >> > It does make me wonder if there are differences for each individual or

> >> > if there is really a " best " way to administer HBOT for everyone.

> >> > On 8/7/05, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. <ignacio@...> wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> Hi Sunny!!

> >> >> would you mention the rest of the variables:

> >> >> pressure/concentration/duration of session?

> >> >> Two treatments per week may sound scarce

> >> >> to those who insist in twice-a-day-or-more,

> >> >> but not to cram patients with oxygen too often

> >> >> does make sense.

> >> >> Best regards!!

> >> >> Ignacio

> >> >> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

> >> >> Maimonides University

> >> >> Buenos Aires, Argentina

> >> >>

> >> >> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:02:45 -0300, Sunny Sonnenrein

> >> >> <sunny124ny@...> wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> > To all on the list,

> >> >> >

> >> >> > I spoke with a center owner yesterday who is in the

> >> >> > final stages of an IRB approved study on HBOT for

> >> >> > autism. I will fill you in on more details as they

> >> >> > become available, but the initial study group is 10

> >> >> > children (enough " sample " to warrant further studies).

> >> >> > Some are being chelated, some are not. None had made

> >> >> > gains with their ongoing therapies until HBOT came

> >> >> > " into the mix " . A scale of measurable objective

> >> >> > improvements is in place, and all children are making

> >> >> > gains of 2% per week with two treatments per week.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > I will let you know when and where the study will be

> >> >> > published.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Best to all,

> >> >> > Sunny

> >> >> >

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August 12, 2005

Thank you, Sunny.

As for Barcelona, it is not likely,

although I should be presenting a paper

(not by me, but confirming some of my concepts)

and visiting several friends, there.

Problem is that a parallel conference -in a psychoneuro hospital-

-on neuro-oxigenation, precisely-

was cancelled, due to a change of hands of the whole facility.

I was getting tired of discussing to no avail with the mainstream,

and also with our supposedly more open ranks, to be true,

and wanted a more appreciative audience than Jordi and the rest of our

friends.

Go figure: with my insistence on the mild and ultralow pressures,

and on the problems of the higher pressures, for the nobler organs, having

to listen

to their use of Table 5 for monoxide or diabetic foot,

and that CP and autism should not/cannot/should not be treated with

hyperbarics,

would be a torture.

Anyway, unlikely, but not impossible: food is wonderful in Barcelona,

and it would nice to get together again with you and the gang.

If I said " ...without any discussion of hyperbarics " , would you believe me?

Neither do I...)

Best regards.

Ig.

On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:14:41 -0300, Sunny Sonnenrein

<sunny124ny@...> wrote:

> Hi Ignacio,

>

> of course I will forward any additional info as soon

> as I get it. I know that they have Sechrist 2500

> chambers compressed with 100% O2, but I have to

> continue my conversation with them regarding treatment

> time and depth. I promise I will let you know.

>

> Will I see you in Barcelona?

> Take care,

> Sunny

>

> --- " Ignacio Fojgel, M.D. " <ignacio@...>

> wrote:

>

>>

>> Hi Sunny!!

>> would you mention the rest of the variables:

>> pressure/concentration/duration of session?

>> Two treatments per week may sound scarce

>> to those who insist in twice-a-day-or-more,

>> but not to cram patients with oxygen too often

>> does make sense.

>> Best regards!!

>> Ignacio

>> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

>> Maimonides University

>> Buenos Aires, Argentina

>>

>> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:02:45 -0300, Sunny Sonnenrein

>>

>> <sunny124ny@...> wrote:

>>

>> > To all on the list,

>> >

>> > I spoke with a center owner yesterday who is in

>> the

>> > final stages of an IRB approved study on HBOT for

>> > autism. I will fill you in on more details as they

>> > become available, but the initial study group is

>> 10

>> > children (enough " sample " to warrant further

>> studies).

>> > Some are being chelated, some are not. None had

>> made

>> > gains with their ongoing therapies until HBOT came

>> > " into the mix " . A scale of measurable objective

>> > improvements is in place, and all children are

>> making

>> > gains of 2% per week with two treatments per week.

>> >

>> > I will let you know when and where the study will

>> be

>> > published.

>> >

>> > Best to all,

>> > Sunny

>> >

>> > __________________________________________________

>> >

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