Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 At least if you remove a vent, the person can be heavily sedated and death usually comes quickly. Removing feeding makes death into a long drawn out process that we would never even THINK about as a humane way to kill inmates on death-row. On 4/1/05 3:39 PM, " " <eric@...> wrote: > How is a feeding tube not artificial? This is something I do not understand. > Why do some people think it is ok to remove a ventilator but not a feeding > tube? They get so mad and say " they are killing her. " Removing a ventilator is > also killing someone. Anyone who has experienced any amount of time not being > able to breathe knows how bad it feels. That would be a horrible way to die. > Are you saying if Terri had a ventilator, it would be ok to let her die? > Someone please explain this to me. > > > Re: Re: Terri Schiavo > > > > I can understand removing artificial means of keeping someone alive, but she > wasn't on " artificial " means. She was on a feeding tube. She was starved to > death and that was inhumane. Yes, in a sense she was dead for many years, > but > how do we really know whether or not she suffered these last two weeks? I > hope > that she didn't. I'm glad that she's finally with God. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 I'm new here, and I don't have SMA (my son died from it 4 years ago, and my husband's cousin also had it and is now deceased), but I have to agree with . We're so sheltered in developed countries that we don't realize how horrible it is to die of thirst. There is only so much staff can do to make someone " comfortable " while that occurs. A lethal injection would probably have been more humane. That is what is often done overseas for terminally ill patients who either request it or whose families request it. However, in some countries, it is getting out of hand, with people as young as 16 being able to request euthanasia for " unbearable suffering, " many of whom need counseling rather than death. And doctors are starting to make decisions about who should live and die in some cases, rather than individuals, from what I have read. Some of the results are frightening. I just saved an article (Assoc. Press) about Dutch doctors reconsidering and drawing up new guidelines for euthanasia. My father (81 and very weak) was on a ventilator last December, and when my mother requested that he be taken off, he was much more comfortable and was able to communicate with us some. His vital signs actually improved a bit when it was removed. He died within 24 hours of it being removed, but he died peacefully in his sleep, after whispering to us a bit. He was NOT comfortable on the vent. I do not believe Terri was comfortable w/o the feeding tube. We may never know which account is true of how Terri spent those near 2 weeks without a feeding tube, but I hesitate to believe her husband's attorney. I looked him up on the net (Felos was his last name), and what I found scared me. He seems obsessed with death, and is a euthanasia advocate. Don't think I'll buy his book. At any rate, medicine is a developing science, and I learned long ago that doctors don't know everything - something which many are reluctant to admit. Well, that's some of my thoughts on the matter. Others may disagree. It's a hard thing with no good solution. I envied neither side in the Schiavo debate. JJ > At least if you remove a vent, the person can be heavily sedated and death > usually comes quickly. Removing feeding makes death into a long drawn out > process that we would never even THINK about as a humane way to kill inmates > on death-row. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Though I haven't followed all the posts recently, I do think Terri Schiavo was murdered. She certainly wasn't given every opportunity for life that a man pledged to provide her as husband in a wedding vow made before God and man to " love and protect, forsaking all others, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health--till parted by death. " If he couldn't keep that vow, i.e., his word--how--and why--should we believe any of his other words concerning his wife. All rehabilitative therapies ended some ten years ago. She was not allowed television, radio, to be read to--no stimulation at all--why? Of course Schiavo's legal right to pull his wife's feeding tube was predicated on the assumption that there was no available medical intervention available to her which would improve her condition. A week or two ago I uploaded a 60-second Quicktime movie clip (see medicaid/files/HBOT4coma.mov) taken from a 2003 TV news story about a coma patient of Dr Harch's before/after HBOT. He was much worse than Terri--yet made a full recovery. I still believe had the general public seen the clip, the public would have known Terri had an option sought by her parents yet denied by her husband. Still, right on cue, God clearly showed His hand in all this by creating two bookends to sandwich the death of Terri Schiavo. First, there was the brain-injured woman in Kansas who suddenly regained her speech after 18 years. See http://www.dodgeglobe.com/stories/021605/reg_20050216027.shtml . Then a day or two before Terri died, the Pope had a feeding tube installed, and then dies himself just yesterday. Gracefully, naturally--though with a great deal of pain and suffering. Terri Schiavo was murdered. The congressional effort to have the case reviewed before a federal court--in the same way murderers condemned to death by state courts have their cases automatically reviewed by federal courts--was spearheaded by Florida Representative Dave Weldon. Representative Weldon is also an MD and was very present at the House Government Reform Committee Hearings last May which reviewed the off-label use of HBOT for brain-injury. It's quite possible the evidence presented in that Congressional hearing motivated Dr Weldon to spearhead the Schiavo legislation. It's pretty compelling stuff, this HBOT, and the notorious Judge Greer threw out (and thus removed from the appeal records) all references to HBOT--which the Schindlers had sought for their beloved daughter for ten years or so--thus the federal court review was supposed to include a review of the hyperbaric evidence as provided by Drs. Hammesfahr and Maxfield. See http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html . But the congressionally-mandated federal court review never happened. Then the 11th Circuit Court refused to look at it either (because HBOT wasn't in the evidence--because HBOT wasn't reviewed) and neither would the Supreme Court. And so they killed the Schindler's daughter, murdered her, starved her to death in a way that's a felony if you did the same to your dog, starved her to death the same way Nazis murdered Jews after first perfecting the technique on brain-injured children and adults--simply because she couldn't pick up a spoon and feed herself. Or say, " I'm hungry. " So Hitler won anyway. How many parents have children who can't pick up a spoon to feed themselves? How many can't say, " I'm hungry. " This is now a death sentence for our children. Somehow, somewhere some neurologist who likes to play God might decide your kid is suffering unnecessarily and he or she just needs to die--no matter what Mom and Dad say. Don't think it can't happen to you because it's just happened to one of us. Status: U X-eGroups-Return: sentto-4010157-5773-1059925245-dfreels=mindspring.com@... X-Sender: dfreels@... X-Apparently-medicaid X-Sender: dfreels@... medicaid Cc: trr1203@... From: Freels <dfreels@...> X--Profile: davidfreels MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list medicaid ; contact medicaid-owner Delivered-mailing list medicaid Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:medicaid-unsubscribe > Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:44:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [MedicaidforHDOT] Terri Schindler-Schiavo, Fighting for her life in Florida Reply-medicaid >, > >, > >This is Bob Schindler, Terri's dad. Dr. Neubauer was one of the first to >recognize that my daughter was not in a PVS condition and could be a >candidate for >hyperbaric treatment. > >Also, Dr. Maxfield was consulted in Terri's case, which led to him being one >of Terri's examining doctors in preparation for Terri's November 2002 trial. >He testified that Terri could recover with the use of hyperbaric treatment in >conjunction with Dr. Hammesfahr's vasodilator therapy. > >In addition, both doctors presented videotapes of their examinations to the >court as evidence of Terri's cognizance. Segments of the video's are >available >on Terri's web site for your viewing. > >Judge Greer, who presided at Terri's bench trial, wanted nothing to do with >any testimony or evidence that was favorable for Terri's recovery. He and the >Appellate Court Judges do not think Terri is worthy of living because her >disabled condition has negatively impacted her quality of life. > >Need I tell you where we are heading if the courts are influenced by a >quality of life philosophy rather than respect for human life. That >attitude could >very possibly be the reason why it is so difficult to get funding for any >therapy regarding brain damaged patients. > >Bob Schindler -- Freels 2948 Windfield Circle Tucker, GA 30084-6714 770-491-6776 (phone) 720-234-5757 (fax) mailto:dfreels@... http://www.freelanceforum.org/df Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Dear : We also tried to contact Terri's family to offer HBO. When I saw that Dr. Hammesfahr was involved, I contacted a friend (a former FL Senator) who knows the doctor personally to pass along the information to the family. I understand that the family's hands were tied. My heart has broken that this whole situation was allowed to happen. My heart aches for Terri's family. My son is also fed exclusively through a tube and this issue hit home with us. I know that the Lord will see that some good comes from all this. Sincerely, Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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