Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 We don't even kill murders & rapists by starvation! They get gas or injection. But it's ok to starve someone who is disabled, laughs and looks around. Nice way to treat someone who's crime was getting sick. Two week slow painful death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 In a message dated 3/18/2005 10:16:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, carrie_anhorn@... writes: The worst part is that you know she's going to feel every agonizing minute of it. I heard some doctor say she won't feel a thing but how do they even know that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 In a message dated 3/19/2005 1:17:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, DeTannous@... writes: I heard some doctor say she won't feel a thing but how do they even know that? Those are probably the doctors that say she is in a vegetative state (which she isn't if those clips are real) and people in comas have said they could hear and feel things when doctors said they couldn't. I don't think starving anyone is ever ok. I'd like to see the judge, those doctors and her husband go just two days with no food or water! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 In a message dated 3/19/2005 12:16:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, carrie_anhorn@... writes: The worst part is that you know she's going to feel every agonizing minute of it. Well, after a few days hopefully she will go into a coma or something so she wont. Sadly this isn't her first time with no feeding tube and I'm sure each time she gets more disabled by the starvation. In a way I wish she would just have a heart attack or stroke so she wont be tortured by the courts anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 In a message dated 3/19/2005 12:36:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, angie@... writes: They are suppose to do whatever it takes to save lives .... I think if you have no living will or health care POA they should do the basics to keep someone alive and comfortable. Or at least give a few years with intense treatments to see if things get better before killing someone. Really, you can't know if a relative, spouse or friend knows their wishes. It's different if a person openly talks about it with a friend, doctor and spouse. If they all have the same story then it could be trusted. If you only tell your spouse that you don't want to be kept alive and you end up on life support your spouse may ignore your wishes because they don't want to lose you. I'm not saying all people are greedy or selfish but we are talking life and death. At these times even good people don't think straight.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Just to clarify, natures way of dying is starvation. When the elderly stop eating, they usually die if a tube is not placed. This happen in animals too. From what I understand, all a person feels when " starving " in a medical environment where drugs can be administered for uncomfortable symptoms is a hungry feeling. This usually only happens if they are cognitively aware of these kinds of feelings. It also depends on the physical health at the time sustenance is with held. Also, it used to be the practice that when a person stopped eating in a nursing home they would start IV fluids. Studies have now shown this just prolongs the dying. The IV nutrition would not allow the kidneys to naturally shut down. Nurses in hospice and nursing homes have stated it is a peaceful death. Kimi PS has anyone seen a Drs eval and does it state that she responds to pain stimuli? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 But it's by choice. This is being forced which makes it wrong on so many levels. I do believe that I read that she does respond to pain. I am sure I read it on her website. - Ksmile96@... wrote: Just to clarify, natures way of dying is starvation. When the elderly stop eating, they usually die if a tube is not placed. This happen in animals too. From what I understand, all a person feels when " starving " in a medical environment where drugs can be administered for uncomfortable symptoms is a hungry feeling. This usually only happens if they are cognitively aware of these kinds of feelings. It also depends on the physical health at the time sustenance is with held. Also, it used to be the practice that when a person stopped eating in a nursing home they would start IV fluids. Studies have now shown this just prolongs the dying. The IV nutrition would not allow the kidneys to naturally shut down. Nurses in hospice and nursing homes have stated it is a peaceful death. Kimi PS has anyone seen a Drs eval and does it state that she responds to pain stimuli? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Hospice is for people who have a terminal illness and go into hospice willingly and ready to die. I understand not feeding (even though I see giving a shot more humane)someone who is going to die with in a few days or weeks. Those in hospice don't die solely of starvation they have many other medical problems and would likely die even with food. I don't think they force starvation either. It's a choice which it should be. However, Terry's condition is not terminal and we have no proof she would or wouldn't want to live. If a person can't communicate they want to die or wrote it down I don't see it right to get rid of them. She probably requires less care than I do. If she was on a vent and never opened her eyes that's one thing. Or if no family or friend wanted to care for her. Doesn't anyone else find it scary that other people (husband, family), doctors, courts and government is deciding if her life is worth living? Just take it a step or two further and they might start deciding if people with SMA are worth the money and use of medical treatments. There are people who do feel people like us have no real life and waste money/goods. Some of us even have family members who feel we are not really living. Isn't scary that the courts take the husband's side just because he is her husband. At least I haven't seen any real evidence supporting the idea she wouldn't want to live. All I see is stuff saying she is brain damaged and her family wasn't denying that! If she had no husband or family wouldn't they keep her alive since she has no Living Will? At least on my forms it said if you don't specify your wishes on vents, feeding tubes and such it will be used. I know many who were born with the mental ability of an infant or toddler. That's what Terri is. Should we just get rid of all those people too? Why is it worse because Terri was " normal " but then became disabled? Everyone loses abilities in life due to age, illness or accident. Why do we tell those who become fully paralyzed in the prime of life they can still live a life but we will so easily say Terri is not living? I know this guy who became paralyzed from the neck down, on a vent, couldn't talk and eventually had to restrict eating (which he loved) because he aspirated. Now, to me that could at times be worse than Terri because he has an active mind but couldn't even enjoy talking with friends without his nurse who reads his lips. He is aware of everything he lost and can't do. I'm not saying he shouldn't want to live but it shows how hard it is to say what is suffering and what life is worth living. Terri might just spend her days having groovy dreams. Is that bad? I can think of many " healthy " people who aren't particularly making the most of life or being productive.... We let them live. If you believe she doesn't feel the starvation than how is she suffering if she lives? I sure hope they are giving her pain medication or something to make her sleep. Or maybe her husband wont allow that either... If she responds to music and her mother why wouldn't she feel pain? I've read she is mentally like a 7 month old. Last time I checked babies feel pain. Do they do major operations with no anesthesia on those who are paralyzed from the neck down even though it's unlikely they will feel pain? I knew a boy that everyone thought was unaware of things going around him but when they found a way he could communicate they learned otherwise! There are many times when doctors have been proved wrong. People come out of comas and people gain function after strokes. Some people who have been in comas have said they were aware of sounds and sensations even though doctors claimed they were not aware of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 ('s take) VERY well said. Amy Wife to Will 11/3/95 Mother to Olivia Isabelle 9/18/03 http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/o/oliviathegreat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 In a message dated 3/20/2005 9:50:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, those2@... writes: Umm, these doors are already open. Families make these difficult decisions every day in hospitals, other healthcare facilities, and homes. In most cases, their decisions are respected and their loved ones are allowed to die with dignity. In this case, the state, and now the federal government is interfering in this personal decision....which is now turned into a political circus In most states, if not all, the spouse is the decision-maker for health care matters when the ill spouse is not able to speak for themselves. And as far as God goes...??? Oh, that's a whole other thread...and group. Lori. I agree w/you Lori. I also want to point out that even if Terri had a living will or an advanced directive stating that she would not want to live this way, her parents believe she can be rehabilitated. IMO, i think they would contest her will. It seems to be an arguement over defintions. I do agree, it's sad that the government is now trying to direct this personal decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 First, I think it's completely irrelevant to discuss what the parents might have done in different circumstances. Those aren't the circumstances, so who cares? Second, somebody please tell me that people in " hospitals, other healthcare facilities, and homes " aren't killing people just because they rely on a feeding tube and/or have brain damage. These decisions are made every day for people who are dying anyway, that's one thing. But Terri's not dying. I think the difference is clear. ~e In a message dated 3/20/2005 8:11:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, Ksmile96@... writes: > Umm, these doors are already open. Families make these difficult > decisions every day in hospitals, other healthcare facilities, and > homes. In most cases, their decisions are respected and their loved > ones are allowed to die with dignity. In this case, the state, and now > the federal government is interfering in this personal decision....which > is now turned into a political circus In most states, if not all, the > spouse is the decision-maker for health care matters when the ill spouse > is not able to speak for themselves. > > And as far as God goes...??? Oh, that's a whole other thread...and group. > > Lori. > > > > I agree w/you Lori. I also want to point out that even if Terri had a > living > will or an advanced directive stating that she would not want to live this > way, her parents believe she can be rehabilitated. IMO, i think they would > contest her will. It seems to be an arguement over defintions. I do agree, > it's > sad that the government is now trying to direct this personal decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 In a message dated 3/20/2005 10:17:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, PurplGurl3@... writes: First, I think it's completely irrelevant to discuss what the parents might have done in different circumstances. Those aren't the circumstances, so who cares? You do have a point, but it also goes to those who say us SMAers are next... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 In a message dated 3/20/2005 8:27:08 PM Mountain Standard Time, Ksmile96@... writes: > You do have a point, but it also goes to those who say us SMAers are > next... I agree that it's a stretch to say SMA is next on the hitlist. But I think the point is that one thing can lead to another, and who knows what will come next if they don't replace Terri's feeding tube. It's not reality yet, but it's a conceivable future. A case that's been so publized will set a precedence of some sort. ~e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Many good points! This whole situation is a travesty in my opinion. If Terri is allowed to die, it sets a precedent of ghastly proportions. The brain-damaged today. SMAkers tomorrow. People with cancer next. Then the ones with one short leg or with no arms. Then the next kind of person who is a little less disadvantaged than the last kind was. Soon, it could lead to another Hitler-esque attempt to create the perfect race. And we can't just refuse to take notice of it. If it is allowed to happen, the implications might not affect us today, but sooner or later, they would impact us directly. It undermines much of what the ADA was designed to do. Who cares about access to public buildings or equality in employment if we are denied the right to such basic necessities as food and water? I really thought we were past all that. It's been weighing on my heart so heavily. I desperately want to do something to change it. It reminds me of a famous quote by Pastor Niemoller. " First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak out for me. " Right now, I am looking for my way to speak out. Blessings, Holly Re: Terri Schiavo > > > > > > > Hospice is for people who have a terminal illness and go into hospice > willingly and ready to die. I understand not feeding (even though I see > giving a > shot more humane)someone who is going to die with in a few days or weeks. > Those > in hospice don't die solely of starvation they have many other medical > problems and would likely die even with food. I don't think they force > starvation > either. It's a choice which it should be. > > However, Terry's condition is not terminal and we have no proof she would > or > wouldn't want to live. If a person can't communicate they want to die or > wrote it down I don't see it right to get rid of them. She probably > requires > less care than I do. If she was on a vent and never opened her eyes that's > one > thing. Or if no family or friend wanted to care for her. > > Doesn't anyone else find it scary that other people (husband, family), > doctors, courts and government is deciding if her life is worth living? > > Just take it a step or two further and they might start deciding if people > with SMA are worth the money and use of medical treatments. There are > people > who do feel people like us have no real life and waste money/goods. Some > of us > even have family members who feel we are not really living. > > Isn't scary that the courts take the husband's side just because he is her > husband. At least I haven't seen any real evidence supporting the idea she > wouldn't want to live. All I see is stuff saying she is brain damaged and > her > family wasn't denying that! > > If she had no husband or family wouldn't they keep her alive since she has > no Living Will? At least on my forms it said if you don't specify your > wishes > on vents, feeding tubes and such it will be used. > > I know many who were born with the mental ability of an infant or toddler. > That's what Terri is. Should we just get rid of all those people too? Why > is it > worse because Terri was " normal " but then became disabled? Everyone loses > abilities in life due to age, illness or accident. > > Why do we tell those who become fully paralyzed in the prime of life they > can still live a life but we will so easily say Terri is not living? > > I know this guy who became paralyzed from the neck down, on a vent, > couldn't > talk and eventually had to restrict eating (which he loved) because he > aspirated. Now, to me that could at times be worse than Terri because he > has an > active mind but couldn't even enjoy talking with friends without his > nurse who > reads his lips. He is aware of everything he lost and can't do. > > I'm not saying he shouldn't want to live but it shows how hard it is to > say > what is suffering and what life is worth living. Terri might just spend > her > days having groovy dreams. Is that bad? > > I can think of many " healthy " people who aren't particularly making the > most > of life or being productive.... We let them live. > > If you believe she doesn't feel the starvation than how is she suffering > if > she lives? > > I sure hope they are giving her pain medication or something to make her > sleep. Or maybe her husband wont allow that either... > > If she responds to music and her mother why wouldn't she feel pain? I've > read she is mentally like a 7 month old. Last time I checked babies feel > pain. > > Do they do major operations with no anesthesia on those who are paralyzed > from the neck down even though it's unlikely they will feel pain? > > I knew a boy that everyone thought was unaware of things going around him > but when they found a way he could communicate they learned otherwise! > > There are many times when doctors have been proved wrong. People come out > of > comas and people gain function after strokes. > > Some people who have been in comas have said they were aware of sounds and > sensations even though doctors claimed they were not aware of anything. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Umm, these doors are already open. Families make these difficult decisions every day in hospitals, other healthcare facilities, and homes. In most cases, their decisions are respected and their loved ones are allowed to die with dignity. In this case, the state, and now the federal government is interfering in this personal decision....which is now turned into a political circus In most states, if not all, the spouse is the decision-maker for health care matters when the ill spouse is not able to speak for themselves. And as far as God goes...??? Oh, that's a whole other thread...and group. Lori. jenny miller wrote: > Well put. That is what scares me, what doors are being open on who can > decide what is value of life. God help us. > > esma1999@... wrote: > > > > > Hospice is for people who have a terminal illness and go into hospice > willingly and ready to die. I understand not feeding (even though I > see giving a > shot more humane)someone who is going to die with in a few days or > weeks. Those > in hospice don't die solely of starvation they have many other medical > problems and would likely die even with food. I don't think they > force starvation > either. It's a choice which it should be. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Why isn't anyone commenting on the little baby Sun from Texas who was taken off medication and treatments against his mother's will because the doctors decided it so? If we're going to make a big deal out of allowing people to make such decisions for others, let's discuss where the hell it differs just because we're in a different legal situation. > Well put. That is what scares me, what doors are being open on who can decide what is value of life. God help us. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 God is at end of every thread and is in every group regardless if we want him or not. Thank you. Those Two <those2@...> wrote:Umm, these doors are already open. Families make these difficult decisions every day in hospitals, other healthcare facilities, and homes. In most cases, their decisions are respected and their loved ones are allowed to die with dignity. In this case, the state, and now the federal government is interfering in this personal decision....which is now turned into a political circus In most states, if not all, the spouse is the decision-maker for health care matters when the ill spouse is not able to speak for themselves. And as far as God goes...??? Oh, that's a whole other thread...and group. Lori. jenny miller wrote: > Well put. That is what scares me, what doors are being open on who can > decide what is value of life. God help us. > > esma1999@... wrote: > > > > > Hospice is for people who have a terminal illness and go into hospice > willingly and ready to die. I understand not feeding (even though I > see giving a > shot more humane)someone who is going to die with in a few days or > weeks. Those > in hospice don't die solely of starvation they have many other medical > problems and would likely die even with food. I don't think they > force starvation > either. It's a choice which it should be. > A FEW RULES * The list members come from many backgrounds, ages and beliefs So all members most be tolerant and respectful to all members. * Some adult language and topics (like sexual health, swearing..) may occur occasionally in emails. Over use of inappropriate language will not be allowed. If your under 16 ask your parents/gaurdian before you join the list. * No SPAMMING or sending numerous emails unrelated to the topics of spinal muscular atrophy, health, and the daily issues of the disabled. Post message: Subscribe: -subscribe Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe List manager: (Sexy Mature Artist) Email: Esma1999@... oogroups.com List manager: (Sexy Mature Artist) Email: Esma1999@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 This is my last full post on Shiavo, but I want to reiterate, I disagree so strongly that starving Terri is at all acceptable, because many who've spent time with Terri (versus me and everyone and their mother - even celebrities on the entertainment gossip show Extra - commentating on this who have never met her) say she still reacts to the world around her, and even makes sounds / tries to talk. Her status is far from unanimously agreed upon. It makes me so sick she will starve to death. We're more humane to death row inmates than her. But the death row inmates are people, right? Terri isn't seen as still alive, as a valid person. This strikes a chord with many disabled people who have had people overlook their personness, or talk in front of them like one episode with me at college: Girl #1: I'd never want to be kept alive on machines. Me: *looks down quietly at the machines keeping him alive* Girl #1: A life hooked up like that is no life at all. Me: Um...wait, um... *breath* I'm hooked up to tubes right now. *breath* The air pumped from a machine *breath* is allowing me to talk. *breath* Are you saying I have no life? Girl #1: No, no. Girl #2: That's different! Girl #1: You're different, you're here going to school. Am I really all that different? I am alive and writing this because my mom made a decision to put me on life support and keep me on it. A decision some people, and even some doctors, didn't want. That is one reason I get all puffy regarding the Shiavo case. People die all the time from the " better dead than disabled " mentality, and it's that mentality that motivates me to speak out here. It totally sucks there's nothing anyone can do to help Terri right now, but I hope to still raise awareness of the disability rights issue that everyone has a right to live, even a very disabled life. A very disabled life is still life. In 2003, a kid here in my city, Rusty, turned 21. Rusty has severe brain damage from cerebral palsy, can't react much to the world around him, and relies on a feeding tube for nutrition (as I do and Shiavo used to). He is a joy to his grandmother, . She loves him so much and has fought for the best care for him. Since he turned 21, he was no longer eligible for Medicaid's EPSDT program, and they would no longer pay for his tube feedings or provide nursing care. told me she'd stockpiled enough feeding for 60 days. I started raising hell. When I was in DC to accept the NAPAS National Advocacy Award, I told every Senate and House staffer I met about this. None of them realized *Alabama Medicaid doesn't cover tube feedings, or, by the way, ventilators, for adults*. I'm betting 99% of people in Congress don't know this. I'm betting a good portion of the people reading this right now didn't know this. Eventually found another source to keep Rusty from starving to death, but these are the kind of silent life-or-death dramas that go on each day in America due to this country's miserly health care policies. This is our " culture of life. " The media doesn't care about all the Rustys out there -- there's no sex or court disputes involved. Is Rusty really all that different from Terri Shiavo? Should Rusty be allowed to die? Is anyone else extremely bothered at the vile hypocrisy of Congress, who last week voted to remove feeding tubes from thousands of people via huge Medicaid cuts, but are this week saying removing a feeding tube is unconstitutional? Make up your minds. I guess their slogan on disability rights should be " We <3 The Disabled, As Long As It's Not In The Budget. " Here is a Washington Post article regarding the Medicaid cuts and Terri: GOP Leaders Try to Cut Spending as They Fight to Save One of Program's Patients <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58069-2005Mar22.html> Is anyone even talking about this amid the vast media circus going on right now? I'm so disgusted how the politicians, the media and others have distorted and mangled this case. But I hope somehow something good can come of this tradegy, and we will all at least gain from the dialogue here. I hope in the disability community we gain new focus, and I hope in Congress, Medicaid is illuminated as a central " culture of life " issue. Whether Congress likes it or not, because Medicare nor most private insurance covers long-term care in the home, the source of life-sustaining care for the vast majority of disabled people in this country is Medicaid. Cutting Medicaid means cutting people's lives. Period. I hope if Congress can learn anything, they learn this. Where's our country headed? Ultimately, we Americans in the voting booth decide. Join me in working on Medicaid issues. I'll keep everyone updated on this stuff. Best, Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 In a message dated 3/24/2005 2:39:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, nickdupree@... writes: Am I really all that different? I am alive and writing this because my mom made a decision to put me on life support and keep me on it. A decision some people, and even some doctors, didn't want. That is one reason I get all puffy regarding the Shiavo case. People die all the time from the " better dead than disabled " mentality, and it's that mentality that motivates me to speak out here. Nick, IMO, yes I do think you are different from Terri. You can speak for yourself and w/the help of others accomplish goals in life. Terri is destined to living a life controlled by others decisions, not hers. But you are right, we cannot do anything about Terri's situation whether we agree or disagree about what should happen. But the girl from college I think meant she would not want to live hooked to machines if she could not leave a bed or room at a nursing home. I think she would think twice if she knew the vent would keep her alive to allow her to go to college, marry, maybe even have kids. I too am upset w/the hypocrisy of our Pres and Congress. I don't understand why Pres Bush would sign a law in Texas that would have killed Terri many yrs ago, but then sign a bill to keep her alive that Congress passed. Also, he will cut Medicaid which in a sense will kill people like Schaivo and take away the quality of life of many Americans. I really don't understand this. Can someone explain this to me? Kimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 This is from a scientist - he left this country to find intellectual and human freedom. He found other scientists. The Earth is the kingodm of the devil . Truth is God's, falsehood is the devils. We are systemically committing murder/extermination of this woman. The scientists teach the doctors, they design drugs to only have them grasp from them, they know what there is to know but they are only used as pawnes to the capitalists. STATE OF FLORIDA ) COUNTY OF PINELLAS ) BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says: 1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge. 2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years. 3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April of 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there. 4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction " Do what Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated. " This struck me as extremely odd. 5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo's intimidation. Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be close to , was intimidated by him. Schiavo always had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as " This is my order and you're going to follow it. " He is very large and uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you, getting right in your face and practically shouting. 6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens while I was there. I became concerned because nothing was being done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri's hand to keep her fingers from curling together, and saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy. 7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as " mommy, " and " help me. " " Help me " was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word " pain " when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like " pay. " She didn't say the " n " sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying " pay " and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper. 8. When I came into her room and said " Hi, Terri " , she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying " Haaaiiiii " sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a " hi " , which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long. When I told her humorous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's, someone would remove it after my shift ended. always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri's rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri's responsiveness, but they would always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that. 9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. would say " When is she going to die?, " " Has she died yet? " and " When is that bitch gonna die? " These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include " Can't you do anything to accelerate her death - won't she ever die? " When she wouldn't die, would be furious. was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as " Make sure the parents aren't contacted. " I recorded 's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter. 10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, pneumonia, would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out " I'm going to be rich!, " and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things. 11. When visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift as I recall. Normally Terri's blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is my belief that injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting. 12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I've said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named Carolyn , known as " Andy " who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as " They are old - let them die. " I couldn't believe her attitude or the fact that it didn't seem to attract any attention. She made many comments about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it was costing a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the time, too.) Both and said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my " rocking the boat. " 13. Ms. was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated by . In fact, they seemed to be very close, and would do whatever told her. sometimes called at night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him. 14. While at Palm Gardens, I became fearful for my personal safety. This was due to 's constant intimidation, including his menacing body language, vocal tone and mannerisms. 15. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn't stand by and let Terri die without the truth being known. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N. The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this _____ day of September, 2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida driver's license as identification, and who did / did not take an oath. Notary Public My commission expires: >I have attached something that I received from an > email a long time ago. I am glad that I saved it. I > know that they are going to kill Terri Schiavo. > Within 10 to 14 days after removing the tube, she will > be dead. But it will be a horrible way to die. They > should just give her an injection of a lethal drug. > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 This is from a scientist - he left this country to find intellectual and human freedom. He found other scientists. The Earth is the kingodm of the devil . Truth is God's, falsehood is the devils. We are systemically committing murder/extermination of this woman. The scientists teach the doctors, they design drugs to only have them grasp from them, they know what there is to know but they are only used as pawnes to the capitalists. STATE OF FLORIDA ) COUNTY OF PINELLAS ) BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says: 1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge. 2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years. 3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April of 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there. 4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction " Do what Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated. " This struck me as extremely odd. 5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo's intimidation. Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be close to , was intimidated by him. Schiavo always had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as " This is my order and you're going to follow it. " He is very large and uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you, getting right in your face and practically shouting. 6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens while I was there. I became concerned because nothing was being done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri's hand to keep her fingers from curling together, and saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy. 7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as " mommy, " and " help me. " " Help me " was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word " pain " when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like " pay. " She didn't say the " n " sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying " pay " and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper. 8. When I came into her room and said " Hi, Terri " , she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying " Haaaiiiii " sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a " hi " , which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long. When I told her humorous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's, someone would remove it after my shift ended. always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri's rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri's responsiveness, but they would always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that. 9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. would say " When is she going to die?, " " Has she died yet? " and " When is that bitch gonna die? " These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include " Can't you do anything to accelerate her death - won't she ever die? " When she wouldn't die, would be furious. was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as " Make sure the parents aren't contacted. " I recorded 's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter. 10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, pneumonia, would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out " I'm going to be rich!, " and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things. 11. When visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift as I recall. Normally Terri's blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is my belief that injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting. 12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I've said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named Carolyn , known as " Andy " who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as " They are old - let them die. " I couldn't believe her attitude or the fact that it didn't seem to attract any attention. She made many comments about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it was costing a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the time, too.) Both and said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my " rocking the boat. " 13. Ms. was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated by . In fact, they seemed to be very close, and would do whatever told her. sometimes called at night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him. 14. While at Palm Gardens, I became fearful for my personal safety. This was due to 's constant intimidation, including his menacing body language, vocal tone and mannerisms. 15. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn't stand by and let Terri die without the truth being known. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N. The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this _____ day of September, 2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida driver's license as identification, and who did / did not take an oath. Notary Public My commission expires: >I have attached something that I received from an > email a long time ago. I am glad that I saved it. I > know that they are going to kill Terri Schiavo. > Within 10 to 14 days after removing the tube, she will > be dead. But it will be a horrible way to die. They > should just give her an injection of a lethal drug. > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 This is from a scientist - he left this country to find intellectual and human freedom. He found other scientists. The Earth is the kingodm of the devil . Truth is God's, falsehood is the devils. We are systemically committing murder/extermination of this woman. The scientists teach the doctors, they design drugs to only have them grasp from them, they know what there is to know but they are only used as pawnes to the capitalists. STATE OF FLORIDA ) COUNTY OF PINELLAS ) BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says: 1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge. 2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years. 3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April of 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there. 4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction " Do what Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated. " This struck me as extremely odd. 5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo's intimidation. Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be close to , was intimidated by him. Schiavo always had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as " This is my order and you're going to follow it. " He is very large and uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you, getting right in your face and practically shouting. 6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens while I was there. I became concerned because nothing was being done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri's hand to keep her fingers from curling together, and saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy. 7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as " mommy, " and " help me. " " Help me " was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word " pain " when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like " pay. " She didn't say the " n " sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying " pay " and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper. 8. When I came into her room and said " Hi, Terri " , she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying " Haaaiiiii " sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a " hi " , which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long. When I told her humorous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's, someone would remove it after my shift ended. always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri's rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri's responsiveness, but they would always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that. 9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. would say " When is she going to die?, " " Has she died yet? " and " When is that bitch gonna die? " These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include " Can't you do anything to accelerate her death - won't she ever die? " When she wouldn't die, would be furious. was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as " Make sure the parents aren't contacted. " I recorded 's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter. 10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, pneumonia, would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out " I'm going to be rich!, " and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things. 11. When visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift as I recall. Normally Terri's blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is my belief that injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting. 12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I've said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named Carolyn , known as " Andy " who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as " They are old - let them die. " I couldn't believe her attitude or the fact that it didn't seem to attract any attention. She made many comments about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it was costing a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the time, too.) Both and said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my " rocking the boat. " 13. Ms. was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated by . In fact, they seemed to be very close, and would do whatever told her. sometimes called at night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him. 14. While at Palm Gardens, I became fearful for my personal safety. This was due to 's constant intimidation, including his menacing body language, vocal tone and mannerisms. 15. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn't stand by and let Terri die without the truth being known. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N. The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this _____ day of September, 2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida driver's license as identification, and who did / did not take an oath. Notary Public My commission expires: >I have attached something that I received from an > email a long time ago. I am glad that I saved it. I > know that they are going to kill Terri Schiavo. > Within 10 to 14 days after removing the tube, she will > be dead. But it will be a horrible way to die. They > should just give her an injection of a lethal drug. > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 This is from a scientist - he left this country to find intellectual and human freedom. He found other scientists. The Earth is the kingodm of the devil . Truth is God's, falsehood is the devils. We are systemically committing murder/extermination of this woman. The scientists teach the doctors, they design drugs to only have them grasp from them, they know what there is to know but they are only used as pawnes to the capitalists. STATE OF FLORIDA ) COUNTY OF PINELLAS ) BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says: 1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make this statement of my own personal knowledge. 2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years. 3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in Largo, Florida from April of 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo was a patient there. 4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri Schiavo were made by Schiavo, with no allowance made for any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial training there consisted solely of the instruction " Do what Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated. " This struck me as extremely odd. 5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo's intimidation. Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be close to , was intimidated by him. Schiavo always had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as " This is my order and you're going to follow it. " He is very large and uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you, getting right in your face and practically shouting. 6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens while I was there. I became concerned because nothing was being done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. said again and again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a wash cloth in Terri's hand to keep her fingers from curling together, and saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy. 7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and misrepresented. When I worked with her, she was alert and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence, saying such things as " mommy, " and " help me. " " Help me " was, in fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times. Terri would try to say the word " pain " when she was in discomfort, but it came out more like " pay. " She didn't say the " n " sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort by saying " pay " and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper. 8. When I came into her room and said " Hi, Terri " , she would always recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way toward me, saying " Haaaiiiii " sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a " hi " , which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long. When I told her humorous stories about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body, upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart. Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's, someone would remove it after my shift ended. always demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in her room with him. I documented Terri's rehab potential well, writing whole pages about Terri's responsiveness, but they would always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act, and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that. 9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Schiavo was focused on Terri's death. would say " When is she going to die?, " " Has she died yet? " and " When is that bitch gonna die? " These statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I recall him making include " Can't you do anything to accelerate her death - won't she ever die? " When she wouldn't die, would be furious. was also adamant that the family should not be given information. He made numerous statements such as " Make sure the parents aren't contacted. " I recorded 's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they should know about their daughter. 10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her lungs, colds, pneumonia, would be visibly excited, thrilled even, hoping that she would die. He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out " I'm going to be rich!, " and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died, which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among other things. 11. When visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would would be trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction, so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low it was below the range where it would register an actual number reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This happened about five times on my shift as I recall. Normally Terri's blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet through tube feeding. It is my belief that injected Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting. 12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the reasons I've said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named Carolyn , known as " Andy " who was a particular concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift, but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as " They are old - let them die. " I couldn't believe her attitude or the fact that it didn't seem to attract any attention. She made many comments about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it was costing a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the time, too.) Both and said that she would be worth more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were cited, but I was convinced it was because of my " rocking the boat. " 13. Ms. was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated by . In fact, they seemed to be very close, and would do whatever told her. sometimes called at night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him. 14. While at Palm Gardens, I became fearful for my personal safety. This was due to 's constant intimidation, including his menacing body language, vocal tone and mannerisms. 15. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn't stand by and let Terri die without the truth being known. FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT. CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N. The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this _____ day of September, 2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida driver's license as identification, and who did / did not take an oath. Notary Public My commission expires: >I have attached something that I received from an > email a long time ago. I am glad that I saved it. I > know that they are going to kill Terri Schiavo. > Within 10 to 14 days after removing the tube, she will > be dead. But it will be a horrible way to die. They > should just give her an injection of a lethal drug. > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 I can understand removing artificial means of keeping someone alive, but she wasn't on " artificial " means. She was on a feeding tube. She was starved to death and that was inhumane. Yes, in a sense she was dead for many years, but how do we really know whether or not she suffered these last two weeks? I hope that she didn't. I'm glad that she's finally with God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 How is a feeding tube not artificial? This is something I do not understand. Why do some people think it is ok to remove a ventilator but not a feeding tube? They get so mad and say " they are killing her. " Removing a ventilator is also killing someone. Anyone who has experienced any amount of time not being able to breathe knows how bad it feels. That would be a horrible way to die. Are you saying if Terri had a ventilator, it would be ok to let her die? Someone please explain this to me. Re: Re: Terri Schiavo I can understand removing artificial means of keeping someone alive, but she wasn't on " artificial " means. She was on a feeding tube. She was starved to death and that was inhumane. Yes, in a sense she was dead for many years, but how do we really know whether or not she suffered these last two weeks? I hope that she didn't. I'm glad that she's finally with God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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