Re: [MedicaidforHDOT] Clearing the air

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>Most of it seems to be about the implosion of the AAHA and e Creacy.

>Though I'm sure of all the details since we left, what I do know is that

A correction.

I left out the word " not. "

This sentence should read:

Though I'm *not* sure of all the details since we left, what I do know is that

>e posted here a few weeks ago that she was arranging a White House

>meeting and bringing in Dr Philip from the UK as an expert on

>HBOT--which he is.

>

>Dr is also a board member of the International Hyperbaric Medical

>Association (IHMA), which is why IHMA Executive Director Anita Duncan

>offered to pay for Dr 's expenses for this White House meeting. The

>IHMA offer was refused by Mrs. Creacy and/or AAHA.

>

>The IHMA was founded in direct response to the 30+ year refusal of the

>Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society (UHMS) to recognize and acknowledge

>the use of HBOT for brain-injury. Maybe 10 years ago the UHMS was going to

>remove both Dr Neubauer and Harch for treating brain-injured

>people with off-label HBOT--despite a former UHMS president withholding

>HBOT from the HCFA/CMS " covered uses list " of HBOT. See

>http://www.oxyhealth.com/images/noncovered.pdf.

>

>If the UHMS had been successful in removing Drs Neubauer and Harch from the

>UHMS, both would have likely lost their medical licenses.

>

>This means that anyone who aligns themselves with the UHMS is aligning

>themselves with the people who are most interested in withholding HBOT from

>the public and from your loved ones and mine.

>

>In recent days both Mrs. Creacy and Mr Hartsoe have stated we (the

>off-label hyperbaric community) should include UHMS in any endeavor to

>broaden the scope of HBOT accessibility.

>

>In my opinion and the opinion of many others, this strategy, tactic, and/or

>direction is unwise.

>

>The accusatory posts back and forth are a reflection of these opinions

>played out. Yes, they are negative; however, I believe it is critical for

>all parents pursuing Medicaid reimbursement of off-label HBOT to understand

>the big picture of just what is going on in Hyperbaric Medicine.

>

>There is a lot of history here marred with politics and deceit, which

>unfortunately continues even to our present time. It is precisely because

>of this reason (and others) that the IHMA was formed.

>

>I have been given the responsibility of an IHMA board membership, and I

>wholeheartedly encourage all to join. If the AAHA were a legitimate

>organization, I would encourage you to join it as well. By all accounts, it

>is unfortunately not legitimate.

>

>Thorough documentation of UHMS deceit can be downloaded from

>HDO-documentation/files/ .

>

>Further discussion, disclosures, and documentation of these and related

>issues will be made within the next few days.

>

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,

I do not understand where you get all your knowledge and information.

First, let me make it clear that the AAHA is as real as the IHMA. They do

not have a 501 © 3 yet but they are very real. The AAHA will soon be open

to members to join. ly, things have happened so well and fast that has

not been a real concern. They know they have a lot of support and they also

know the importance of putting their priorities in order. They are getting

results. Soon membership will be open to everyone who wants to join. They

already have a support group for anyone who wants to join it by sending a

blank email to AAHAsupporters-subscribe

It is important that the AAHA concentrate on matters at hand since the

response has been so strong. After all, they were formed to bring awareness

of Hyperbarics to the people in America and around the world, especially the

politicians who can get things done. They are succeeding from the very

beginning. I realize you have no purpose except to see them fail and cast

as many negative stones in their direction as possible.

You keep talking about the IHMA offering to pay Dr. way to the USA for

the AAHA meeting. Dr. had already informed us that he would be

unable to attend because of a move he had made along with some other

important issues that were taking place in the UK. In addition, after the

public posts to the AAHA from Anita Duncan, I am certain Dr. did not

want to get in the middle which I totally understand. I think it was very

disrespectful of Mrs. Duncan to volunteer Dr. without first consulting

with him and it should certainly have been direct communication with e

Creacy from Anita Duncan. Instead, the posting on this list was an apparent

attempt to emabarass Mrs. Creacy and the AAHA. There was absolutely no

private communication between Anita and e or any attempt to work

together on this issue. It was handled totally unprofessionally and with

disrespect for Mrs. Creacy and the AAHA.

The AAHA has made no public promises to the public. It has asked no one for

money. They have not made any attempts to draw membership or to do anything

to harm the efforts of the IHMA. In fact, Mrs.Creacy just posted a letter

of congratulations to the IHMA, and has made it clear the AAHA would support

thier efforts. Too bad it cannot be a mutual effort. I am not certain

why you are so intent on destroying the efforts of the AAHA or e

Creacy. You have made many deflamatory remarks about e.

You have totally criticized and downed anyone who has anything to do with

the UHMS. You have made it clear that anyone with the UHMS is an enemy.

It is too bad you think so little of the famous Dr. who is working

hard to advance HBOT for brain injury. I am certain you know what a

valuable asset he has been and still is to the cause of providing hbot to

anyone who needs it for brain injury. Since you are such an enemy of the

UHMS you close out any chance of working with someone like Dr. who

is the President, I believe, of the Latin countries division of the UHMS.

And, if I am not mistaken, he will be the upcoming V.P. of the UHMS

internationally. I might add their are a lot of good UHMS members who do

support hbot for brain injury. We are becoming members of the UHMS also.

is a member and they have been working for hbot for brain

injury for years. Their are many members on this list.

, you have also been very instrumental in trying to stop the upcoming

study of HBOT for CP which will be done at UCLA and is financed by Murray

Goldstein of UCP. Yes, I know you think you have a legitimate reason for

trying to tear down this study, along with the AAHA, and along with the

efforts of Dr. since he is a UHMS top official. The problem is, I

am not certain what that reason is?

Now let's get back to the legitimacy of the AAHA. What do you mean by being

legit? What do you have to do to be legit? They are working on their

bylaws and will apply to the IRS for a 501©3 and/or ©4 exemption which

will probably take 4 to 6 months. How long did it take the IHMA to get

theirs or the IHA to get theirs. OOOPPPS, I forgot, the IHA does not

have one and has never applied. Wait a moment, the IHMA does not have one

either. They are neither a legitimate non profit nor a legitimate

foundation according to the IRS. That is the reason I am unable to take my

founding contribution as a tax deduction as I was promised. So exactly

what does legitimate mean?

, I do wish you could understand the importance of all organizations

working together. If the IHMA would properly represent neurological injury

and research and the UHMS would continue with its work in wound care and the

14 indications it approves and the AAHA would do its job and purpose of

educating the public and professions on hbot for brain injury, what a

wonderful thing that would be. However, because of ignorance and

continuing bashing of the AAHA and the UHMS and the UCP and anyone else who

gets in your way, including me, you will continue to have very few allies.

That is a shame. Teamwork is a very important factor which figures in to

getting hbot approved for brain injury. Look it up in the dictionary.

You can continue to do your negative deal and we do not like responding to

your negative posts. I do not think that is what these lists are all about.

However, when you make ridiculous claims and inuendos, if they are not

answered, someone may think they are true so you force a response.

Your claims and negative posts are not allowed on the NeuroHBOT list. It

has gotten back to its original intention of helping those who are seeking

information and all negative and inflammatory remarks are being blocked. We

will leave this list for those.

I am certain you will find time to come back with some insults or negative

posts rather than attempt to take on the responsibility as a IHMA board

member of trying to improve relations and make things happen for the

betterment of the hyperbaric community and the people who are depending on

us for help.

The AAHA wishes to be left out of the conversations. They have their

thinking caps on, they are getting some important work done, and they simply

do not have time to be concerned with your false and stupid attacks. You

can not and will not slow them down. They are willing to support the IHMA

in their efforts if they ever decide they want to cooperate with others.

The AAHA is developing a policy of working with any individual or

organization who wishes to work towards the positive advancement of HBOT for

neurological injury. This include the IHMA, the UHMS, UCP, or anyone else.

I hope this clarifies my position on the issues,

Hartsoe

[MedicaidforHDOT] Clearing the air

> Dear parents and other list members,

>

> I've been out of town all week, as we took our son Jimmy back to New

> Orleans to see Dr Harch and just returned last night. There are over 400

> emails waiting on me, many from the listserv.

>

> Most of it seems to be about the implosion of the AAHA and e Creacy.

> Though I'm sure of all the details since we left, what I do know is that

> e posted here a few weeks ago that she was arranging a White House

> meeting and bringing in Dr Philip from the UK as an expert on

> HBOT--which he is.

>

> Dr is also a board member of the International Hyperbaric Medical

> Association (IHMA), which is why IHMA Executive Director Anita Duncan

> offered to pay for Dr 's expenses for this White House meeting. The

> IHMA offer was refused by Mrs. Creacy and/or AAHA.

>

> The IHMA was founded in direct response to the 30+ year refusal of the

> Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society (UHMS) to recognize and

acknowledge

> the use of HBOT for brain-injury. Maybe 10 years ago the UHMS was going to

> remove both Dr Neubauer and Harch for treating brain-injured

> people with off-label HBOT--despite a former UHMS president withholding

> HBOT from the HCFA/CMS " covered uses list " of HBOT. See

> http://www.oxyhealth.com/images/noncovered.pdf.

>

> If the UHMS had been successful in removing Drs Neubauer and Harch from

the

> UHMS, both would have likely lost their medical licenses.

>

> This means that anyone who aligns themselves with the UHMS is aligning

> themselves with the people who are most interested in withholding HBOT

from

> the public and from your loved ones and mine.

>

> In recent days both Mrs. Creacy and Mr Hartsoe have stated we (the

> off-label hyperbaric community) should include UHMS in any endeavor to

> broaden the scope of HBOT accessibility.

>

> In my opinion and the opinion of many others, this strategy, tactic,

and/or

> direction is unwise.

>

> The accusatory posts back and forth are a reflection of these opinions

> played out. Yes, they are negative; however, I believe it is critical for

> all parents pursuing Medicaid reimbursement of off-label HBOT to

understand

> the big picture of just what is going on in Hyperbaric Medicine.

>

> There is a lot of history here marred with politics and deceit, which

> unfortunately continues even to our present time. It is precisely because

> of this reason (and others) that the IHMA was formed.

>

> I have been given the responsibility of an IHMA board membership, and I

> wholeheartedly encourage all to join. If the AAHA were a legitimate

> organization, I would encourage you to join it as well. By all accounts,

it

> is unfortunately not legitimate.

>

> Thorough documentation of UHMS deceit can be downloaded from

> HDO-documentation/files/ .

>

> Further discussion, disclosures, and documentation of these and related

> issues will be made within the next few days.

>

>

>

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> Freels

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> Tucker, GA 30084-6714

> 770/491-6776 (phone)

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>

> http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

>

>

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In a message dated 4/10/04 12:33:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

rhartsoe@... writes:

Dr. without first consulting

with him and it should certainly have been direct communication with e

Creacy from Anita Duncan. Instead, the posting on this list was an apparent

attempt to emabarass Mrs. Creacy and the AAHA. There was absolutely no

private communication between Anita and e or any attempt to work

together on this issue. It was handled totally unprofessionally and with

disrespect for Mrs. Creacy and the AAHA.

First of all I was with AHHA at the time. I remeber Mrs. Creacy

talking to Mr. or she proclaimed that she had. She had told me that he was

going with her so what do you mean. Also she was upset with Mr. for

talking

with the IHMA and Dr. Neubauer is why she decided not to talk Mr. . That

is what she said to all of us at the begining. So which is it. Remeber before

speaking that I was privalged to most of this information so state Facts not

fiction when posting. Oh if you want to post you can call me as I called you

with no return phone call. Look if you think Im going to let you or anyone else

lie to the public anymore your wrong. Even if it does make me look like a big

pile of crap. I do however find it amuseig that you guy's would fabricate

your information when you know I was privlaged to alot of it first hand and Know

Im going to call you on it. See your only told what people want you to

know because they know you can't keep your mouth shut. So things that are

confidential are waited to be told to you till they want the public to know. Do

you need to see the email where e is furious with Dr. for talking to

IHMA and Neubauer. Oh by the way when she was furious she had decided that she

was taking no one but main stream Dr.s and the UHMS I can call a few names as

well Carolyn Phif, Dr. , Tom Workman and a few Dr.s from baylor is who

she said AHHA was takeing. Is this correct. Does anyone from AHHA have any

objections to this. Is this not what was said.

Peace be with you.

Darin