Re: 40% shorter life span on mice after HBOT

[Guest guest]

I would be interested to see what publication the experiment was published.

Quality of life in my opinion outweighs the longevity of life. Of course it

would be nice to have both quality of life and longevity.

Also, there is something to be said for genetics in relationship to longevity.

For example:

Those individuals with Alzheimers often have longevity of life but certainly

do not have quality of life, unless they benefit from HBOT, which it has been

demonstrated that individuals have benefited with improved quality of life.

Virginia C

[Guest guest]

I would have much rather had Quality of life verses the longevity. Kaltyn

before HBOT was not living a quality of life. She was comatose for over three

years with a glascow coma scale of a 3 we went to a 8 after HBOT. Im very

thankful for HBOT. Having your child no you and no who you are is more to me

than

anything.

Darin

[Guest guest]

God Bless her Rose!

........Count YOUR Blessings!

For all we know, our blessings are not the fruits of our prayers alone,

but those of another praying for us.

And.....

The task ahead of us is never as great as the power behind us.

My success is measured by my willingness to keep trying. "

- Anon.

Marguerite...

[Guest guest]

I totally agree. that is the best Idea I have heard in a long time.

[Guest guest]

I think we should all just be happy we are not mice. And I

seriously doubt if any studies have been done to develp

proper protocols for the poor little mice. Maybe they

should develop a hyperbaric mouse trap to get rid of the

little devils. Now that we could use.

> I'm waiting to see how many treatments, how deep. 40% of

> the life of a mouse is only, I think, about 300 days.

> However if you consider humans you would be taking away

> over 30 years.

> I just can't buy it because my mom's doctor told us not to

> expect to have her around for more than a year. After

> 100 treatments, 4 years ago she is still kicking. My

> sister was told she needed a heart transplant, after 300

> treatments she doesn't. It fixes the things caused by old

> age. It just doesn't make since to me. I'm waiting to

> see and maybe I'll do my own study on some mice.

>

> Love to all,

> Rose Manning

>

>

> Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span on

> mice after HBOT

>

> >

> > I would have much rather had Quality of life verses the

> longevity. Kaltyn> before HBOT was not living a quality of

> life. She was comatose for over three

> > years with a glascow coma scale of a 3 we went to a 8

> > after HBOT. Im very thankful for HBOT. Having your

> child no you and no who you are is more to me than

> > anything.

> > Darin

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Rose,

How will you get the hood on the mice? Should we start working on this new

patent together maybe?

Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span on mice after HBOT

I'm waiting to see how many treatments, how deep. 40% of the life of a

mouse is only, I think, about 300 days. However if you consider humans

you

would be taking away over 30 years.

I just can't buy it because my mom's doctor told us not to expect to have

her around for more than a year. After 100 treatments, 4 years ago she is

still kicking. My sister was told she needed a heart transplant, after

300

treatments she doesn't. It fixes the things caused by old age. It just

doesn't make since to me. I'm waiting to see and maybe I'll do my own

study

on some mice.

Love to all,

Rose Manning

Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span on mice after HBOT

>

> I would have much rather had Quality of life verses the longevity.

Kaltyn> before HBOT was not living a quality of life. She was comatose for

over

three

> years with a glascow coma scale of a 3 we went to a 8 after HBOT. Im

very

> thankful for HBOT. Having your child no you and no who you are is more

to

me than

> anything.

> Darin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is a true story. I already told it to this list before, Anyway I was

trying to catch my daughter's gerbil. I had it by the tail. It pulled hard

to get away and it's tail broke off. This is ok for a gerbil as they have a

one time protection from predators where they can break off their tail to be

free. Anyway it was fine, it only bleed a little, but I decided to clean

it's cage real good so it wouldn't get infected. I put it in the sink while

I was cleaning. When I was done I realized his tail had gotten soap on it.

So I rinsed it, well it started bleeding really bad. The poor little gerbil

couldn't hold it's head up. It was running in circles dragging it's head.

Mean while my 10 year old is crying " You killed my gerbil " Well, I just

couldn't live with that one so I rushed it into our chamber. I took myself

and it down to 16 feet and put it in an old hood tent upside down. I held

the neck opening closed with my hands. Anyway almost immediately the gerbil

could hold up it's head. I ran him for 20 minutes as we were now really

late for a party. I ran her 2 more times at 16 feet for the entire hour and

she is just fine today.

So to make a long story short I will be able to run the mice with no

problems.

Love to all,

Rose

Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span on mice after HBOT

>

>

> >

> > I would have much rather had Quality of life verses the longevity.

> Kaltyn> before HBOT was not living a quality of life. She was comatose for

> over

> three

> > years with a glascow coma scale of a 3 we went to a 8 after HBOT. Im

> very

> > thankful for HBOT. Having your child no you and no who you are is more

> to

> me than

> > anything.

> > Darin

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I was going to suggest a condom, but there would go your

patent. Besides saying condom on a forum is probably

inappropriate so I won't say c-----.

> Rose,

> How will you get the hood on the mice? Should we start

> working on this new patent together maybe?

>

>

> Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span on

> mice after HBOT

>

> I'm waiting to see how many treatments, how deep. 40%

> of the life of a

> mouse is only, I think, about 300 days. However if you

> consider humans you

> would be taking away over 30 years.

>

> I just can't buy it because my mom's doctor told us not

> to expect to have

> her around for more than a year. After 100 treatments,

> 4 years ago she is

> still kicking. My sister was told she needed a heart

> transplant, after 300

> treatments she doesn't. It fixes the things caused by

> old age. It just

> doesn't make since to me. I'm waiting to see and maybe

> I'll do my own study

> on some mice.

>

> Love to all,

> Rose Manning

>

>

> Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span on

> mice after HBOT

>

> >

> > I would have much rather had Quality of life verses

> the longevity. Kaltyn> before HBOT was not living a

> quality of life. She was comatose for over

> three

> > years with a glascow coma scale of a 3 we went to a 8

> after HBOT. Im very

> > thankful for HBOT. Having your child no you and no who

> you are is more to

> me than

> > anything.

> > Darin

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You know, I saw a mouse in a trap who looked like he was

hyperventilating. I'll bet a c----- would have done the

trick. I couldn't find a paper bag small enough.

Now it's not nice to laugh at people, I'm really serious.

> I was going to suggest a condom, but there would go your

> patent. Besides saying condom on a forum is probably

> inappropriate so I won't say c-----.

>

>

> > Rose,

> > How will you get the hood on the mice? Should we start

> > working on this new patent together maybe?

> >

> >

> > Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span

> > on mice after HBOT

> >

> > I'm waiting to see how many treatments, how deep.

> > 40% of the life of a

> > mouse is only, I think, about 300 days. However if

> > you consider humans you

> > would be taking away over 30 years.

> >

> > I just can't buy it because my mom's doctor told us

> > not to expect to have

> > her around for more than a year. After 100 treatments

> > , 4 years ago she is

> > still kicking. My sister was told she needed a heart

> > transplant, after 300

> > treatments she doesn't. It fixes the things caused

> > by old age. It just

> > doesn't make since to me. I'm waiting to see and

> > maybe I'll do my own study

> > on some mice.

> >

> > Love to all,

> > Rose Manning

> >

> >

> > Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span

> > on mice after HBOT

> >

> > >

> > > I would have much rather had Quality of life verses

> > the longevity. Kaltyn> before HBOT was not living a

> > quality of life. She was comatose for over

> > three

> > > years with a glascow coma scale of a 3 we went to a

> > 8 after HBOT. Im very

> > > thankful for HBOT. Having your child no you and no

> > who you are is more to

> > me than

> > > anything.

> > > Darin

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed] >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

> > _._._._._._._._.

> > > Join the International Hyperbaric Medical

> Association >

> >

>

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> > >

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> > http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

> > >

> > > Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT

> > efficacy

> > medicaid/files/

> > ,

> > 2/files/

> > and http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

> > >

> > > Download your state EPSDT program

> > http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by

> > doing a search on the word

> > " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

> > http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp .

> > Medicaid waiver

> > programs:

> >

>

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

> > >

> > > Find a hyperbaric clinic

> > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

> > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

> > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

> > >

> > > HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of

> > heartaches. Subscribe to

> > by sending a blank email to

> > mailto:medicaid-subscribe

> > >

[Guest guest]

Do they sell latex free c------? You dont know they may be sensitive mice.

Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span

> > on mice after HBOT

> >

> > I'm waiting to see how many treatments, how deep.

> > 40% of the life of a

> > mouse is only, I think, about 300 days. However if

> > you consider humans you

> > would be taking away over 30 years.

> >

> > I just can't buy it because my mom's doctor told us

> > not to expect to have

> > her around for more than a year. After 100 treatments

> > , 4 years ago she is

> > still kicking. My sister was told she needed a heart

> > transplant, after 300

> > treatments she doesn't. It fixes the things caused

> > by old age. It just

> > doesn't make since to me. I'm waiting to see and

> > maybe I'll do my own study

> > on some mice.

> >

> > Love to all,

> > Rose Manning

> >

> >

> > Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span

> > on mice after HBOT

> >

> > >

> > > I would have much rather had Quality of life verses

> > the longevity. Kaltyn> before HBOT was not living a

> > quality of life. She was comatose for over

> > three

> > > years with a glascow coma scale of a 3 we went to a

> > 8 after HBOT. Im very

> > > thankful for HBOT. Having your child no you and no

> > who you are is more to

> > me than

> > > anything.

> > > Darin

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed] >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

> > _._._._._._._._.

> > > Join the International Hyperbaric Medical

> Association >

> >

>

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

> > >

> > > EPSDT decisions

> > http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

> > >

> > > Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT

> > efficacy

> > medicaid/files/

> > ,

> > 2/files/

> > and http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

> > >

> > > Download your state EPSDT program

> > http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by

> > doing a search on the word

> > " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

> > http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp .

> > Medicaid waiver

> > programs:

> >

>

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

> > >

> > > Find a hyperbaric clinic

> > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

> > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

> > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

> > >

> > > HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of

> > heartaches. Subscribe to

> > by sending a blank email to

> > mailto:medicaid-subscribe

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'm waiting to see how many treatments, how deep. 40% of the life of a

mouse is only, I think, about 300 days. However if you consider humans you

would be taking away over 30 years.

I just can't buy it because my mom's doctor told us not to expect to have

her around for more than a year. After 100 treatments, 4 years ago she is

still kicking. My sister was told she needed a heart transplant, after 300

treatments she doesn't. It fixes the things caused by old age. It just

doesn't make since to me. I'm waiting to see and maybe I'll do my own study

on some mice.

Love to all,

Rose Manning

Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span on mice after HBOT

>

> I would have much rather had Quality of life verses the longevity. Kaltyn>

before HBOT was not living a quality of life. She was comatose for over

three

> years with a glascow coma scale of a 3 we went to a 8 after HBOT. Im very

> thankful for HBOT. Having your child no you and no who you are is more to

me than

> anything.

> Darin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rose,

Didn't Dr. Teller live until age 95? I believe that he kept his own

chamber in his living room and lived many years after his heart attack or stroke

( I don't remember which).

God bless,

Marie

[Guest guest]

Dear Marie,

I do not know. It would be interesting to find out. Where is Dr. Philip

? I have been worried about him for a while as I was off the net all

summer and haven't heard from him since I came back in October. Dr.

are you out there? Does anyone know?

Love to all,

Rose

Re: [ ] 40% shorter life span on mice after HBOT

>

> Rose,

>

> Didn't Dr. Teller live until age 95? I believe that he kept his own

> chamber in his living room and lived many years after his heart attack or

stroke

> ( I don't remember which).

>

> God bless,

> Marie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wrote a dear friend and very intelligent person, he said there is no

report of divers, who use high amounts of oxygen under pressure, having

sorter life spans. This is just another scare tactic. Hyperbaric Oxygen in

low pressures is the best thing that could have ever happened to our

children. We have done over 1,000 treatments with our son and he is fine.

I have done over half of these with him and I have never felt better or

younger.

Love to all,

Rose

[ ] Re: 40% shorter life span on mice after

HBOT

>

>

>

> I missed this one...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> _.

> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>

> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>

> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

> medicaid/files/ ,

> 2/files/ and

> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>

> Download your state EPSDT program

> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

> word

> " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>

> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>

> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

Subscribe

> to

> by sending a blank email to

> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I missed this one...

[Guest guest]

: I do not have the detail yet. The only thing I know so far is

someone published a paper on a journal about using mice and other animals as

experiments. Treating them with HBOT and found out the ones being treated

with HBOT have 40% less life span than the ones without HBOT. I should have

the whole thing pretty soon.

Dorothy

[ ] Re: 40% shorter life span on mice after HBOT

I missed this one...

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Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

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Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

medicaid/files/ ,

2/files/ and

http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

Download your state EPSDT program

http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the word

" ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

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[Guest guest]

You are correct about most published papers on mice. One I read it is

because they do not have some kind of a gene, or gland that we do to

regulate oxygen and prevent oxygen toxicity.

O

[ ] Re: 40% shorter life span on mice after HBOT

I missed this one...

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_.

Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

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EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

medicaid/files/ ,

2/files/ and

http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

Download your state EPSDT program

http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

word

" ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

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programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

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HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches. Subscribe

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[Guest guest]

This is clearly a case where dose matters. If I can get some additional

detail (like the author of where it might have been published), I can order

a copy from the National Library of Medicine. They may be using much higher

doses than are used for Brain Injury, and that could certainly account for

the difference. After all, every person on this list will instantly have a

seizure at 6 ATA of oxygen, but it does allow oxygen deprived tissue to

recover up to 25 minutes after oxygen deprivation. :-) Pretty nifty. Bill

[ ] Re: 40% shorter life span on mice after

> HBOT

> >

> >

> >

> > I missed this one...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

> > _.

> > Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

> >

> > http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

> >

> > EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

> >

> > Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

> > medicaid/files/ ,

> > 2/files/ and

> > http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

> >

> > Download your state EPSDT program

> > http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on

> > the

> > word

> > " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

> > http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

> > programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

> >

> > Find a hyperbaric clinic

> > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

> > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

> > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

> >

> > HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

> Subscribe

> > to

> > by sending a blank email to

> > mailto:medicaid-subscribe

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Oooh! Ooooh! Ooooooh! I know something about this! Glenn Doman

learned through years of study that seizures are simply the brain

having a big ugly fit for MORE OXYGEN! There is a LOT of

documentation on this, but I don't have it at my fingertips. However,

assuming this to be correct---he went on to give high doses of oxygen

to try to give the brain what it wanted. What he got were bigger and

uglier seizures. This is because at a certain level of oxygen, the

brain says, " Yikes, too much oxygen " and shuts off the input and then

the brain needs more oxygen and then there is a seizure! Bill's

absolutely right that at certain doses of oxygen we ALL will have

seizures.

Dosage is important, as is delivery! This is why HBOT can really help

with seizures and also why some folks have worsened seizures with

HBOT. The folks who get worse need to focus on dosage and NOT

discontinue the therapy.

Bill's summation of " pretty nifty " gets a thumbs up from me!!

Gosh, isn't having intelligent exchanges about brain injury and HBOT

in a civil manner fun!!!

--

Donna

Mom to 20 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 18 (leaving for BYU),

Preston 15, Annie 13, Kent 12, Callie 8 (cured from dyslexia), Carson

7, Dawson 4 (brain injured--was severe now 91.3% of well!)

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:28:08 -0500, Duncan

<williamaduncan@...> wrote:

> This is clearly a case where dose matters. If I can get some additional

> detail (like the author of where it might have been published), I can order

> a copy from the National Library of Medicine. They may be using much higher

> doses than are used for Brain Injury, and that could certainly account for

> the difference. After all, every person on this list will instantly have a

> seizure at 6 ATA of oxygen, but it does allow oxygen deprived tissue to

> recover up to 25 minutes after oxygen deprivation. :-) Pretty nifty. Bill

>

>

> [ ] Re: 40% shorter life span on mice after

> > HBOT

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I missed this one...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

> > > _.

> > > Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

> > >

> > > http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

> > >

> > > EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

> > >

> > > Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

> > > medicaid/files/ ,

> > > 2/files/ and

> > > http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

> > >

> > > Download your state EPSDT program

> > > http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on

> > > the

> > > word

> > > " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

> > > http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

> > > programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

> > >

> > > Find a hyperbaric clinic

> > > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

> > > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

> > > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

> > >

> > > HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

> > Subscribe

> > > to

> > > by sending a blank email to

> > > mailto:medicaid-subscribe

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Replying to Rose's message and the " pretty nifty " message and reply

As most of you probably know, the generally accepted threshold for O2

tox is 3.0 ATA (or 66 fsw). After that, most people will become the

" Kickin Chicken " . Although differences in our individual physiology

allow some people to dive deeper than 3.0 ATA there's an equal amount of

people who must dive less than 3.0 or they will seize every time.

Somewhere between the slightest increase in barometric pressure and 3.0

ATA PPo2 is the magic depth that we all search for (Kinda' like our own

Hyperbaric Holy Grail !!! )

And not to sharp shoot you Rose, but most divers (professional and

commercial divers) use a lower % of oxygen to offset the greater depths

that they dive at. This being said, there are several realities which

make professional diving extremely dangerous, and not just in the short

term view. Most Professional divers who are lucky enough to get out

before they are cut, crushed or carried away by the Ocean suffer from

permanent ailments and conditions directly related to the diving they

did when they were younger.

Please understand that I am not referring to your typical sport diver or

even divemaster here. I am talking more about the professional

commercial divers that work long, very hard hours underwater for up to

several weeks at a time and for years on end. People who are safely

following recommended dive repetitions and dive times as sport divers

are no more at risk from long term o2 damage than they are of getting

attacked by a vicious Sea-Cucumber !

-Jay

Re: [ ] Re: 40% shorter life span on mice after

HBOT

Oooh! Ooooh! Ooooooh! I know something about this! Glenn Doman

learned through years of study that seizures are simply the brain

having a big ugly fit for MORE OXYGEN! There is a LOT of

documentation on this, but I don't have it at my fingertips. However,

assuming this to be correct---he went on to give high doses of oxygen

to try to give the brain what it wanted. What he got were bigger and

uglier seizures. This is because at a certain level of oxygen, the

brain says, " Yikes, too much oxygen " and shuts off the input and then

the brain needs more oxygen and then there is a seizure! Bill's

absolutely right that at certain doses of oxygen we ALL will have

seizures.

Dosage is important, as is delivery! This is why HBOT can really help

with seizures and also why some folks have worsened seizures with

HBOT. The folks who get worse need to focus on dosage and NOT

discontinue the therapy.

Bill's summation of " pretty nifty " gets a thumbs up from me!!

Gosh, isn't having intelligent exchanges about brain injury and HBOT

in a civil manner fun!!!

--

Donna

Mom to 20 (serving mission in Spain), Katy 18 (leaving for BYU),

Preston 15, Annie 13, Kent 12, Callie 8 (cured from dyslexia), Carson

7, Dawson 4 (brain injured--was severe now 91.3% of well!)

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:28:08 -0500, Duncan

<williamaduncan@...> wrote:

> This is clearly a case where dose matters. If I can get some

additional

> detail (like the author of where it might have been published), I can

order

> a copy from the National Library of Medicine. They may be using much

higher

> doses than are used for Brain Injury, and that could certainly account

for

> the difference. After all, every person on this list will instantly

have a

> seizure at 6 ATA of oxygen, but it does allow oxygen deprived tissue

to

> recover up to 25 minutes after oxygen deprivation. :-) Pretty nifty.

Bill

>

>

> [ ] Re: 40% shorter life span on mice

after

> > HBOT

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I missed this one...

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> >

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> > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jay,

Yes, I learned all about the dangers of being a diver when I went to school.

And I have made a conscious decision not to become a commercial diver for

that matter I plan to stick to snorkeling altogether. However, I was

talking about life span not injuries. Do you have a report of divers of any

sort having a 40% shorter life span because of their use of a hyperbaric

chamber or oxygen? These scare tactics are really getting on my nerves. I

have been on these list for 4 years now and of all the scare tactics used

this one is the worse.

Love to all,

Rose Manning

[ ] Re: 40% shorter life span on mice

> after

> > > HBOT

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I missed this one...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

> > > > _.

> > > > Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

> > > >

> > > >

> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

> > > >

> > > > EPSDT decisions

> http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

> > > >

> > > > Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

> > > > medicaid/files/ ,

> > > > 2/files/ and

> > > > http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

> > > >

> > > > Download your state EPSDT program

> > > > http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search

> on

> > > > the

> > > > word

> > > > " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

> > > > http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid

> waiver

> > > > programs:

> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

> > > >

> > > > Find a hyperbaric clinic

> > > > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

> > > > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

> > > > http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

> > > >

> > > > HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

> > > Subscribe

> > > > to

> > > > by sending a blank email to

> > > > mailto:medicaid-subscribe

> > > >

> > > >

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