Re: Legal Assistance for Gilbert

[Guest guest]

How ironic! Instead of using the time to help , you use it to attack

each other.

Karla

[Guest guest]

Bill,

When are you going to quit blaming your lack of action on

the infighting? What infighting? Are you going to have the

nerve to tell me that you are a year behind in what the IHMA

should be doing because of something I did? Grow up! You

are indeed one of the most overbearing political individuals

I have ever met. If the IHMA is behind because of the

infighting you need to look at where it came from. Who was

defaming the names of others, who was calling other people

liars, etc. One minute the IHMA is condemning Samir Patel

and the next minute they are welcoming his money. If you

want to keep making your stupid remarks, go for it. If you

cannot admit your mistakes than I am not going to waste my

time. Anita is your puppet so she is not going to listen.

If you want to read some of the correspondence of the past,

I will be happy to provide it for everyone to see. You are

where you are because you are not willing to work with

anyone outside your little circle and especially if you are

not going to get credit and look good. This is not about

these kids, this is about Bill Duncan.

I am tired of your rhetoric and crap.

Anita, forget what I said. I thought that there was a

possibility that you were serious about doint it right, and

maybe you were. However, you have to answer to Bill and we

all know it. He looks over your shoulder and tells you what

to do.

As I told all of you before if you really want to make hbot

available, set up some training guidelines and programs that

parents can do at home so they can safely use the inflatable

chambers with oxygen. And don't tell me they cannot treat

safely at home. They learn faster and have more

intelligence than any of you. I would love to see you

debate each other on a panel on neurological issues,

therapies, etc. They would leave you sitting with your

tail between your legs. If you want to help them, provide

what they need. HBOT. The chambers are coming and no one

is going to stop that. Now how about some training

programs.

If you don't want insults, don't throw them. I am one

person who will do battle in the open or behind closed

doors. I am motivated by my grandson and the crap I had to

put up to get hbot for him. And I see the same problem

every day for hundreds of others. The only way I will get

to retire is to close Miracle Mountain. And the only way I

can do that is make certain hbot is available to everyone.

And the only way I see that happen is a chamber in every

home who needs it. I don't like politicians and I don't

like politics. That was the first mistake of the IHMA.

Turning it over to the politicians.

Hartsoe

> Taunt away , BUT WE HAD ALREADY STARTED WORKING THE

> LEGAL TEAM BEFORE I SAW YOUR TAUNT. This is not

> Washington DC, this is Florida law and since you've got

> an attorney son, surely you understand the difference.

> How about getting your son to help? If we weren't a

> year behind because of all this infighting, we'd be able

> to do this as a matter of routine. Thanks for the

> blockages.

> : This now a completely different case than trying

> to get hyperbarics for Lief. I've spoken with Tom

> in Ponca City who does our legal work, and he is

> willing to provide advice but does not practice in

> Florida. He's helping pull together the legal team for

> the Patient's Legal Defense and Assistance Fund.

> Lorraine ONeill you've already already spoken with about

> trying to get hyperbarics. However, THIS IS NOW ABOUT

> CUSTODY AND IS VERY DIFFERENT. That makes this a

> different circumstance. Contact Anita or I off-line.

> I'm at 703 505 7530. In fact, I just got your telephone

> number from so I'll call you on my way home.

> Omnibus is hung for the night.

> For those wondering why this is happening, this is a case

> where the " State " loves your children more

> than you do. It is insane, but I've heard that kind of

> insanity on the Floor of the House from those who feel

> just because there are a few bad parents, we have to

> remove the rights of all parents. They want to take

> this little girl away from her mother and warehouse her.

> If we can get this legal fight started, we may be back

> to request some financial assistance (all tax deductible

> to the Foundation.) If not, if there are circumstances

> we cannot counter, we'll let you know they cannot be

> countered, but we'll try.

> Bill Duncan

>

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> Message: 14

> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:39:31 -0500

> From: rhartsoe <rhartsoe@...>

> Subject: Bill Duncan

>

> Bill,

> You are the one who claims to have the political clout in

> Washington. You have said many times you have the

> connections and know how to do the lobbying better than

> anyone else.

>

> needs your help to stop the petition. Help her.

> You have the clout, use it.

>

> How was the IHMA able to help the Weiss child and not

> able to help 's child. Was it only because the

> Weiss child had the influence?

>

> Show us what you can do. Get this petition stopped.

>

> Hartsoe

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[Guest guest]

Good point, Karla. thanks. It is so frustrating to have

your hands tied in these cases. I have had doors slammed in

my face on this one. Cannot understand how this can happen

in America. I think it has to do with not being a

U.S. Citizen. How disgraceful it is. I understand the TV

news media was escorted from the hospital by security.

robert

> How ironic! Instead of using the time to help , you

> use it to attack each other.

>

> Karla

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[Guest guest]

Good point, Karla. thanks. It is so frustrating to have

your hands tied in these cases. I have had doors slammed in

my face on this one. Cannot understand how this can happen

in America. I think it has to do with not being a

U.S. Citizen. How disgraceful it is. I understand the TV

news media was escorted from the hospital by security.

robert

> How ironic! Instead of using the time to help , you

> use it to attack each other.

>

> Karla

To the Duncans and IHMA,

How can I make an immediate contribution to the legal defense fund for ?

--will your son the attorney help ?

[Guest guest]

Good point, Karla. thanks. It is so frustrating to have

your hands tied in these cases. I have had doors slammed in

my face on this one. Cannot understand how this can happen

in America. I think it has to do with not being a

U.S. Citizen. How disgraceful it is. I understand the TV

news media was escorted from the hospital by security.

robert

> How ironic! Instead of using the time to help , you

> use it to attack each other.

>

> Karla

To the Duncans and IHMA,

How can I make an immediate contribution to the legal defense fund for ?

--will your son the attorney help ?