Re: [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

[Guest guest]

>

>I treated an ex FBI/Secret Service agent with a stroke and he insisted

>Medicare would pay for his treatments and he was right - they did.

>

Dr. Stoller,

When was this?

Do you have documentation of this?

Can you provide more details?

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Freels

2948 Windfield Circle

Tucker, GA 30084-6714

770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

720/269-5289 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

mailto:dfreels@...

http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

[Guest guest]

,

Do you know what type of hearing loss this child had? How many treatments

did it take for him to gain his hearing back? How severe was his hearing

loss?

Kim - Mother to Jaxon: auditory neuropathy, cerebral palsy; and Brixon:

typical; fraternal twins, age 2.

[MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

I just spoke to the Pennsylvania mom who won her case and the documentation

will be uploaded soon as a pdf file to

medicaid/files/ .

Among other things, her son gained his hearing from hyperbaric

oxygen and lost his strabismus.

HBOT can save society so much money, it's criminal that parents are forced

to get a court order before their children can get extra oxygen.

It's just insane that it's not taught in any Amercan medical school as part

of the core curriculum. Come on, it's just oxygen.

Mom's name is Gormon and she'll be re-joining the

listserv soon.

```````````````````````````````````````````````````````

Freels

2948 Windfield Circle

Tucker, GA 30084-6714

770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

720/269-5289 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

mailto:dfreels@...

http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

[Guest guest]

I am 32, relatively young. I had anoxia, ( my heart stopped beating for

1/2 hour) after freezing to death for 6 hours, ten years ago. I am a

college graduate with an above average IQ still. I have Medicare and

Med-Plus(Medicaid). How can I be considered for Hyperbolic Therapy HBOT

or HDOT. I suffer from memory problems, and left sided weakness including

dysarthia (speech impairment). My computer only gets email but I can use

one at the library for Web. - Thankyou - a. Burke

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:35:16 -0400 " Curt & Kim " <cwuellne@...>

writes:

,

Do you know what type of hearing loss this child had? How many

treatments

did it take for him to gain his hearing back? How severe was his hearing

loss?

Kim - Mother to Jaxon: auditory neuropathy, cerebral palsy; and Brixon:

typical; fraternal twins, age 2.

[MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

I just spoke to the Pennsylvania mom who won her case and the

documentation

will be uploaded soon as a pdf file to

medicaid/files/ .

Among other things, her son gained his hearing from hyperbaric

oxygen and lost his strabismus.

HBOT can save society so much money, it's criminal that parents are

forced

to get a court order before their children can get extra oxygen.

It's just insane that it's not taught in any Amercan medical school as

part

of the core curriculum. Come on, it's just oxygen.

Mom's name is Gormon and she'll be re-joining the

listserv soon.

```````````````````````````````````````````````````````

Freels

2948 Windfield Circle

Tucker, GA 30084-6714

770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

720/269-5289 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

mailto:dfreels@...

http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

[Guest guest]

:

As you are older than 21, you do not fall under the EPSDT Medicaid rules

for those under 21 years of age. Even so, it would have meant a fight with

your state Medicaid agency unless you live in one of the few HBOT friendly

Medicaid states. As an adult, you fall under the Medicare guidelines and

Medicare does not pay for neurorehab using HBOT. Although, I will not say

never as we live in one of those " who you know " societies.

I treated an ex FBI/Secret Service agent with a stroke and he insisted

Medicare would pay for his treatments and he was right - they did.

KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

Simply Hyperbarics

www.simplyhyperbarics.com

> I am 32, relatively young. I had anoxia, ( my heart stopped beating for

> 1/2 hour) after freezing to death for 6 hours, ten years ago. I am a

> college graduate with an above average IQ still. I have Medicare and

> Med-Plus(Medicaid). How can I be considered for Hyperbolic Therapy HBOT

> or HDOT. I suffer from memory problems, and left sided weakness

> including dysarthia (speech impairment). My computer only gets email but

> I can use one at the library for Web. - Thankyou - a. Burke

>

>

>

> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:35:16 -0400 " Curt & Kim " <cwuellne@...>

> writes:

> ,

>

> Do you know what type of hearing loss this child had? How many

> treatments

> did it take for him to gain his hearing back? How severe was his

> hearing loss?

>

> Kim - Mother to Jaxon: auditory neuropathy, cerebral palsy; and Brixon:

> typical; fraternal twins, age 2.

> [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

>

>

> I just spoke to the Pennsylvania mom who won her case and the

> documentation

> will be uploaded soon as a pdf file to

> medicaid/files/ .

>

> Among other things, her son gained his hearing from hyperbaric

> oxygen and lost his strabismus.

>

> HBOT can save society so much money, it's criminal that parents are

> forced

> to get a court order before their children can get extra oxygen.

>

> It's just insane that it's not taught in any Amercan medical school as

> part

> of the core curriculum. Come on, it's just oxygen.

>

> Mom's name is Gormon and she'll be re-joining the

> listserv soon.

>

>

> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````

>

>

> Freels

> 2948 Windfield Circle

> Tucker, GA 30084-6714

> 770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

> 720/269-5289 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

> mailto:dfreels@...

>

> http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

KP - I read about testimonies from the other HBOT users and a few were

over 21. Do you know who I should contact to see about eligibility and

availability in the area where I live, Reading Pa. I unfortunately never

worked for the FBI and do not know anyone real important -

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:32:45 -0600 (MDT) " P Stoller MD "

<kstoller@...> writes:

:

As you are older than 21, you do not fall under the EPSDT Medicaid rules

for those under 21 years of age. Even so, it would have meant a fight

with

your state Medicaid agency unless you live in one of the few HBOT

friendly

Medicaid states. As an adult, you fall under the Medicare guidelines and

Medicare does not pay for neurorehab using HBOT. Although, I will not say

never as we live in one of those " who you know " societies.

I treated an ex FBI/Secret Service agent with a stroke and he insisted

Medicare would pay for his treatments and he was right - they did.

KP Stoller, MD, FAA

Assistant Clinical Pr of, NM SC Dept Pediatrics

Simply Hyperbarics

www.simplyhyperbarics.com

> I am 32, relatively young. I had anoxia, ( my heart stopped beating for

> 1/2 hour) after freezing to death for 6 hours, ten years ago. I am a

> college graduate with an above average IQ still. I have Medicare and

> Med-Plus(Medicaid). How can I be considered for Hyperbolic Therapy HBOT

> or HDOT. I suffer from memory problems, and left sided weakness

> including dysarthia (speech impairment). My computer only gets email

but

> I can use one at the library for Web. - Thankyou - a. Burke

>

>

>

> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:35:16 -0400 " Curt & Kim "

<cwuellne@...>

> writes:

> ,

>

> Do you know what type of hearing loss this child had? How many

> treatments

> did it take for him to gain his hearing back? How severe was his

> hearing loss?

>

> Kim - Mother to Jaxon: auditory neuropathy, cerebral palsy; and Brixon:

> typical; fraternal twins, age 2.

> [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

>

>

> I just spoke to the Pennsylvania mom who won her case and the

> documentation

> will be uploaded soon as a pdf file to

> medicaid/files/ .

>

> Among other things, her son gained his hearing from hyperbaric

> oxygen and lost his strabismus.

>

> HBOT can save society so much money, it's criminal that parents are

> forced

> to get a court order before their children can get extra oxygen.

>

> It's just insane that it's not taught in any Amercan medical school as

> part

> of the core curriculum. Come on, it's just oxygen.

>

> Mom's name is Gormon and she'll be re-joining the

> listserv soon.

>

>

> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````

>

>

> Freels

> 2948 Windfield Circle

> Tucker, GA 30084-6714

> 770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

> 720/269-5289 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

> mailto:dfreels@...

>

> http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

I believe Hippa rules or is it Hipaa or whatever it is keeps me from

giving out any details.

KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

Simply Hyperbarics

www.simplyhyperbarics.com

>>

>>I treated an ex FBI/Secret Service agent with a stroke and he insisted

>> Medicare would pay for his treatments and he was right - they did.

>>

>

>

> Dr. Stoller,

>

> When was this?

>

> Do you have documentation of this?

>

> Can you provide more details?

>

>

> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````

>

>

> Freels

> 2948 Windfield Circle

> Tucker, GA 30084-6714

> 770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

> 720/269-5289 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

> mailto:dfreels@...

>

> http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

:

Here are a couple of free standing centers in PA:

Effort (Pocono area): Neurological Organization And Hyperbarics (N.O.A.H.)

Center, Effort, PA 570-688-9568, 570-688-9640 (fax) Email:

NoahCenter@... Web: www.NoahCenter.com N.O.A.H. Center offers Offering

a combination of services in addition to HBOT that compliment HBOT at no

extra charge - therapeutic services: Equine Therapeutics, Essential Oil

Massage, Meningeal Balance Cost= $125.00

Check with them and they might be able to help you.

Pennsylvania: Hyperbaric Oxygen Medical Center, Connie Waltz, RN, 255 N.

6th St., Columbia, PA 17512 877-426-9943 (toll-free) 717-684-3228 or

717-426-3922 Email: hboxygen@... Cost is $110

KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

Simply Hyperbarics

www.simplyhyperbarics.com

> KP - I read about testimonies from the other HBOT users and a few were

> over 21. Do you know who I should contact to see about eligibility and

> availability in the area where I live, Reading Pa. I unfortunately never

> worked for the FBI and do not know anyone real important -

>

> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:32:45 -0600 (MDT) " P Stoller MD "

> <kstoller@...> writes:

> :

>

> As you are older than 21, you do not fall under the EPSDT Medicaid rules

> for those under 21 years of age. Even so, it would have meant a fight

> with

> your state Medicaid agency unless you live in one of the few HBOT

> friendly

> Medicaid states. As an adult, you fall under the Medicare guidelines and

> Medicare does not pay for neurorehab using HBOT. Although, I will not

> say never as we live in one of those " who you know " societies.

>

> I treated an ex FBI/Secret Service agent with a stroke and he insisted

> Medicare would pay for his treatments and he was right - they did.

>

> KP Stoller, MD, FAA

> Assistant Clinical Pr of, NM SC Dept Pediatrics

> Simply Hyperbarics

> www.simplyhyperbarics.com

>

>> I am 32, relatively young. I had anoxia, ( my heart stopped beating

>> for 1/2 hour) after freezing to death for 6 hours, ten years ago. I am

>> a college graduate with an above average IQ still. I have Medicare and

>> Med-Plus(Medicaid). How can I be considered for Hyperbolic Therapy

>> HBOT or HDOT. I suffer from memory problems, and left sided weakness

>> including dysarthia (speech impairment). My computer only gets email

> but

>> I can use one at the library for Web. - Thankyou - a. Burke

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:35:16 -0400 " Curt & Kim "

> <cwuellne@...>

>> writes:

>> ,

>>

>> Do you know what type of hearing loss this child had? How many

>> treatments

>> did it take for him to gain his hearing back? How severe was his

>> hearing loss?

>>

>> Kim - Mother to Jaxon: auditory neuropathy, cerebral palsy; and

>> Brixon: typical; fraternal twins, age 2.

>> [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

>>

>>

>> I just spoke to the Pennsylvania mom who won her case and the

>> documentation

>> will be uploaded soon as a pdf file to

>> medicaid/files/ .

>>

>> Among other things, her son gained his hearing from hyperbaric

>> oxygen and lost his strabismus.

>>

>> HBOT can save society so much money, it's criminal that parents are

>> forced

>> to get a court order before their children can get extra oxygen.

>>

>> It's just insane that it's not taught in any Amercan medical school as

>> part

>> of the core curriculum. Come on, it's just oxygen.

>>

>> Mom's name is Gormon and she'll be re-joining the

>> listserv soon.

>>

>>

>> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````

>>

>>

>> Freels

>> 2948 Windfield Circle

>> Tucker, GA 30084-6714

>> 770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

>> 720/269-5289 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

>> mailto:dfreels@...

>>

>> http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thankyou - I'll look into this

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:16:10 -0600 (MDT) " P Stoller MD "

<kstoller@...> writes:

:

Here are a couple of free standing centers in PA:

Effort (Pocono area): Neurological Organization And Hyperbarics

(N.O.A.H.)

Center, Effort, PA 570-688-9568, 570-688-9640 (fax) Email:

NoahCenter@... Web: www.NoahCenter.com N.O.A.H. Center offers

Offering

a combination of services in addition to HBOT that compliment HBOT at no

extra charge - therapeutic services: Equine Therapeutics, Essential Oil

Massage, Meningeal Balance Cost= $125.00

Check with them and they might be able to help you.

Pennsylvania: Hyperbaric Oxygen Medical Center, Connie Waltz, RN, 255 N.

6th St., Columbia, PA 17512 877-426-9943 (toll-free) 717-684-3228 or

717-426-3922 Email: hboxygen@... Cost is $110

KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

Simply Hyperbarics

www.simplyhyperbarics.com

> KP - I read about testimonies from the other HBOT users and a few were

> over 21. Do you know who I should contact to see about eligibility and

> availability in the area where I live, Reading Pa. I unfortunately

never

> worked for the FBI and do not know anyone real important -

>

> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:32:45 -0600 (MDT) " P Stoller MD "

> <kstoller@...> writes:

> :

>

> As you are older than 21, you do not fall under the EPSDT Medicaid

rules

> for those under 21 years of age. Even so, it would have meant a fight

> with

> your state Medicaid agency unless you live in one of the few HBOT

> friendly

> Medicaid states. As an adult, you fall under the Medicare guidelines

and

> Medicare does not pay for neurorehab using HBOT. Although, I will not

> say never as we live in one of those " who you know " societies.

>

> I treated an ex FBI/Secret Service agent with a stroke and he insisted

> Medicare would pay for his treatments and he was right - they did.

>

> KP Stoller, MD, FAA

> Assistant Clinical Pr of, NM SC Dept Pediatrics

> Simply Hyperbarics

> www.simplyhyperbarics.com

>

>> I am 32, relatively young. I had anoxia, ( my heart stopped beating

>> for 1/2 hour) after freezing to death for 6 hours, ten years ago. I am

>> a college graduate with an above average IQ still. I have Medicare and

>> Med-Plus(Medicaid). How can I be considered for Hyperbolic Therapy

>> HBOT or HDOT. I suffer from memory problems, and left sided weakness

>> including dysarthia (speech impairment). My computer only gets email

> but

>> I can use one at the library for Web. - Thankyou - a. Burke

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:35:16 -0400 " Curt & Kim "

> <cwuellne@...>

>> writes:

>> ,

>>

>> Do you know what type of hearing loss this child had? How many

>> treatments

>> did it take for him to gain his hearing back? How severe was his

>> hearing loss?

>>

>> Kim - Mother to Jaxon: auditory neuropathy, cerebral palsy; and

>> Brixon: typical; fraternal twins, age 2.

>> [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

>>

>>

>> I just spoke to the Pennsylvania mom who won her case and the

>> documentation

>> will be uploaded soon as a pdf file to

>> medicaid/files/ .

>>

>> Among other things, her son gained his hearing from hyperbaric

>> oxygen and lost his strabismus.

>>

>> HBOT can save society so much money, it's criminal that parents are

>> forced

>> to get a court order before their children can get extra oxygen.

>>

>> It's just insane that it's not taught in any Amercan medical school as

>> part

>> of the core curriculum. Come on, it's just oxygen.

>>

>> Mom's name is Gormon and she'll be re-joining the

>> listserv soon.

>>

>>

>> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````

>>

>>

>> Freels

>> 2948 Windfield Circle

>> Tucker, GA 30084-6714

>> 770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

>> 720/269-5289 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

>> mailto:dfreels@...

>>

>> http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:32:45 -0600 (MDT) " P Stoller MD "

<kstoller@...> writes:

:

As you are older than 21, you do not fall under the EPSDT Medicaid rules

for those under 21 years of age. Even so, it would have meant a fight

with

your state Medicaid agency unless you live in one of the few HBOT

friendly

Medicaid states. : Is Pa an HBOT friendly state, I am just

curiously grasping at straws. -

KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

Simply Hyperbarics

www.simplyhyperbarics.com

> I am 32, relatively young. I had anoxia, ( my heart stopped beating for

> 1/2 hour) after freezing to death for 6 hours, ten years ago. I am a

> college graduate with an above average IQ still. I have Medicare and

> Med-Plus(Medicaid). How can I be considered for Hyperbolic Therapy HBOT

> or HDOT. I suffer from memory problems, and left sided weakness

> including dysarthia (speech impairment). My computer only gets email

but

> I can use one at the library for Web. - Thankyou - a. Burke

>

>

>

> On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:35:16 -0400 " Curt & Kim "

<cwuellne@...>

> writes:

> ,

>

> Do you know what type of hearing loss this child had? How many

> treatments

> did it take for him to gain his hearing back? How severe was his

> hearing loss?

>

> Kim - Mother to Jaxon: auditory neuropathy, cerebral palsy; and Brixon:

> typical; fraternal twins, age 2.

> [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

>

>

> I just spoke to the Pennsylvania mom who won her case and the

> documentation

> will be uploaded soon as a pdf file to

> medicaid/files/ .

>

> Among other things, her son gained his hearing from hyperbaric

> oxygen and lost his strabismus.

>

> HBOT can save society so much money, it's criminal that parents are

> forced

> to get a court order before their children can get extra oxygen.

>

> It's just insane that it's not taught in any Amercan medical school as

> part

> of the core curriculum. Come on, it's just oxygen.

>

> Mom's name is Gormon and she'll be re-joining the

> listserv soon.

>

>

> ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````

>

>

> Freels

> 2948 Windfield Circle

> Tucker, GA 30084-6714

> 770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

> 720/269-5289 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

> mailto:dfreels@...

>

> http://www.freelanceforum.org/df

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance to pay for

HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you need to have a

physician sign a release form to own one.

[Guest guest]

Are there home chambers that go to 2.5 ATA that can be operated by the

person in the chamber. If so, who are the manufacturers and what is their

contact info? Marie

Re: [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

> Hi , Yes, you will need a physician's prescription and

> they range in price from $10,000. up. Several people on this

> list own a home chambers and can answer more questions for you.

> I know the lack of access is very frustrating.

>

> My Best,

>

> Lucinda

>

> A Burke wrote:

>

> > Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance to pay for

> > HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you need to have a

> > physician sign a release form to own one.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi , Yes, you will need a physician's prescription and

they range in price from $10,000. up. Several people on this

list own a home chambers and can answer more questions for you.

I know the lack of access is very frustrating.

My Best,

Lucinda

A Burke wrote:

> Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance to pay for

> HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you need to have a

> physician sign a release form to own one.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Home units go to 1.2/3 if you live at sea level. $10,000 far exceeds the

cost of 80 treatments at almost all free standing centers.

KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

Simply Hyperbarics

www.simplyhyperbarics.com

> Are there home chambers that go to 2.5 ATA that can be operated by the

> person in the chamber. If so, who are the manufacturers and what is

> their contact info? Marie

> Re: [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

>

>

>> Hi , Yes, you will need a physician's prescription and

>> they range in price from $10,000. up. Several people on this

>> list own a home chambers and can answer more questions for you.

>> I know the lack of access is very frustrating.

>>

>> My Best,

>>

>> Lucinda

>>

>> A Burke wrote:

>>

>> > Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance to pay

>> for HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you need to

>> have a physician sign a release form to own one.

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Ken,

The cost depends on the city you live in, and the overall oxygen facility's

breadth of operations and its staff personnel (costs). A good center with

great staff but low volumes obviously has to charge more to stay alive.

In Sacramento, our costs are less than Medi-Cal, but more than many other

centers because of our limitations and costs of implementing local codes.

Generally, many clinics that I have taken to are $150 at the low

end (monoplace) AND $200 at the upper end.

Certainly those are much less than the $650-1200 charged by hospitals.

Ed Nemeth

At 03:16 PM 9/27/2003, you wrote:

>Home units go to 1.2/3 if you live at sea level. $10,000 far exceeds the

>cost of 80 treatments at almost all free standing centers.

>

>KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

>Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

>Simply Hyperbarics

>www.simplyhyperbarics.com

>

> > Are there home chambers that go to 2.5 ATA that can be operated by the

> > person in the chamber. If so, who are the manufacturers and what is

> > their contact info? Marie

> > Re: [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

> >

> >

> >> Hi , Yes, you will need a physician's prescription and

> >> they range in price from $10,000. up. Several people on this

> >> list own a home chambers and can answer more questions for you.

> >> I know the lack of access is very frustrating.

> >>

> >> My Best,

> >>

> >> Lucinda

> >>

> >> A Burke wrote:

> >>

> >> > Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance to pay

> >> for HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you need to

> >> have a physician sign a release form to own one.

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Ed:

$150/session x 80 treatments is $12000. That is with 100% oxygen at 1.5

ata. Now, someone can buy a $10,000 inflatable, not get 1.5, and not get

100% oxygen.

Essentially the costs are comparable, but not the treatments.

KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

Simply Hyperbarics

www.simplyhyperbarics.com

> Ken,

>

> The cost depends on the city you live in, and the overall oxygen

> facility's breadth of operations and its staff personnel (costs). A

> good center with great staff but low volumes obviously has to charge

> more to stay alive.

>

> In Sacramento, our costs are less than Medi-Cal, but more than many

> other centers because of our limitations and costs of implementing

> local codes.

>

> Generally, many clinics that I have taken to are $150 at the low

> end (monoplace) AND $200 at the upper end.

>

> Certainly those are much less than the $650-1200 charged by hospitals.

>

> Ed Nemeth

>

> At 03:16 PM 9/27/2003, you wrote:

>>Home units go to 1.2/3 if you live at sea level. $10,000 far exceeds

>> the cost of 80 treatments at almost all free standing centers.

>>

>>KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

>>Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

>>Simply Hyperbarics

>>www.simplyhyperbarics.com

>>

>> > Are there home chambers that go to 2.5 ATA that can be operated by

>> the person in the chamber. If so, who are the manufacturers and what

>> is their contact info? Marie

>> > Re: [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

>> >

>> >

>> >> Hi , Yes, you will need a physician's prescription

>> and

>> >> they range in price from $10,000. up. Several people on

>> this

>> >> list own a home chambers and can answer more questions for

>> you. I know the lack of access is very frustrating.

>> >>

>> >> My Best,

>> >>

>> >> Lucinda

>> >>

>> >> A Burke wrote:

>> >>

>> >> > Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance to pay

>> >> for HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you need

>> to have a physician sign a release form to own one.

>> >> >

>> >> >

[Guest guest]

You must be referring to HBOT in other countries. $125 a session

would be a good price in the US from what I have seen. $125 times 80

is $10,000.

> >>

> >> > Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance to

pay

> >> for HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you

need to

> >> have a physician sign a release form to own one.

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Plus travel, lodging, lost wages, disruption of lifestyle are all of

the costs that chamber operators tend to forget about when this

discussion resurects itself once again comparing the cost of the two

types of chambers. For good quality group HBOT you can't beat Ability

Camp in my mind. But I am sure Miracle Mountain is just as good a

value.

http://www.abilitycamp.com/hbot.htm

Snow

> > >>

> > >> > Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance

to

> pay

> > >> for HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you

> need to

> > >> have a physician sign a release form to own one.

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

Ken,

I more than agree. I am the choir.

I specifically believe that the .2 ATA difference and the 100% O2 makes a

considerable difference in recovery.

Regardless, parents have to get the HBOT for their kids however they can

get it.

Ed

At 06:24 PM 9/27/2003, you wrote:

>Ed:

>

>$150/session x 80 treatments is $12000. That is with 100% oxygen at 1.5

>ata. Now, someone can buy a $10,000 inflatable, not get 1.5, and not get

>100% oxygen.

>

>Essentially the costs are comparable, but not the treatments.

>

>KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

>Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

>Simply Hyperbarics

>www.simplyhyperbarics.com

>

> > Ken,

> >

> > The cost depends on the city you live in, and the overall oxygen

> > facility's breadth of operations and its staff personnel (costs). A

> > good center with great staff but low volumes obviously has to charge

> > more to stay alive.

> >

> > In Sacramento, our costs are less than Medi-Cal, but more than many

> > other centers because of our limitations and costs of implementing

> > local codes.

> >

> > Generally, many clinics that I have taken to are $150 at the low

> > end (monoplace) AND $200 at the upper end.

> >

> > Certainly those are much less than the $650-1200 charged by hospitals.

> >

> > Ed Nemeth

> >

> > At 03:16 PM 9/27/2003, you wrote:

> >>Home units go to 1.2/3 if you live at sea level. $10,000 far exceeds

> >> the cost of 80 treatments at almost all free standing centers.

> >>

> >>KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

> >>Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

> >>Simply Hyperbarics

> >>www.simplyhyperbarics.com

> >>

> >> > Are there home chambers that go to 2.5 ATA that can be operated by

> >> the person in the chamber. If so, who are the manufacturers and what

> >> is their contact info? Marie

> >> > Re: [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >> Hi , Yes, you will need a physician's prescription

> >> and

> >> >> they range in price from $10,000. up. Several people on

> >> this

> >> >> list own a home chambers and can answer more questions for

> >> you. I know the lack of access is very frustrating.

> >> >>

> >> >> My Best,

> >> >>

> >> >> Lucinda

> >> >>

> >> >> A Burke wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> > Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance to pay

> >> >> for HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you need

> >> to have a physician sign a release form to own one.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

[Guest guest]

I live in Northeastern Wisconsin and we have two local, private HBOT

clnics. The one I know the most about is a physician-supervised,

multichamber and they charge about $165 per treatment with a discount

for MUMS members. I agree with that, in our area, $125 would

be a good price.

Lynn

> > >>

> > >> > Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance

to

> pay

> > >> for HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you

> need to

> > >> have a physician sign a release form to own one.

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I was doing fuzzy math. We charge $135 for 40 sessions and have a

sliding scale for need. But the question is if you have $10K to spend, are

you better in a home chamber that gives you 1.2/3 at seal level and not

100% O2 or are you better off getting the Harch/Nebauer protocol at 1.5

and 100% O2. I know what Harch's position is, and he has SPECT scans to

document the position. He believes after 80 treatments it is okay to use

inflatables and less than 100% O2, but not before getting 1.5 and 100%.

KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

Simply Hyperbarics

www.simplyhyperbarics.com

> You must be referring to HBOT in other countries. $125 a session

> would be a good price in the US from what I have seen. $125 times 80 is

> $10,000.

>

>> >>

>> >> > Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance to

> pay

>> >> for HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you

> need to

>> >> have a physician sign a release form to own one.

>> >> >

>> >> >

[Guest guest]

Well stated, Dr. Stoller.

I tend to agree with Dr. Harch, although there are many cases where 40

sessions could be done and then use the 1.3 ata mild chamber to maintain and

continue improvements with a possible booster a year later with 100% oxygen

for 10 sessions. This would basically be the Baro-Therapy Protocol that

Dr. Fojgel, Dr. and myself have been discussing. We certainly know

there is benefit from mild hyperbarics, however, we are looking for the

ultimate protocol which will produce optimum results. All indications and

studies available seem to point in that direction. Many hours have been

spent discussing these treatments and Baro-Therapy, which is the combination

of mild hyperbarics at 1.2 or 1.3 (without 02) with HBOT (with 02). Our

concerns are in making certain the patient has every opportunity to enjoy

the full benefits of Baro-Therapy. There are several cases that users of

the inflatable chamber have been led to believe mild hyperbarics are as good

as HBOT. Although this may be possible in certain cases depending on the

patient and the condition, there is no way to determine which cases they

would be. It is unfair to the victims of brain injury to play guessing

games when the ultimate benefit is readily available.

OK, I may piss a few off here but I believe in being frank and

straightforward and I am not here to win popularity contests. I have heard

the excuses over and over of being away from home and the inconvenience of

travel, etc. etc. So what? We are talking about the quality of life of

the person who is the victim and how we may improve it for the rest of their

life. Those who make the sacrifice are almost always happy with the

results even though they would like to see more, of course, and they never

express regrets for inconveniencing themselves. They know they have done

everything possible to make certain that the victim receives the best there

is in available treatments.

We traveled with Garrett, stayed in Mc houses, rented cars,

etc. We had fundraisers, raffles, auctions, dinners, sent letters to

churches, and a multitude of other things to raise the funds. We missed

work, missed our families, etc. etc. etc. But you know something, I

would do it all over again and again if I had to. Nothing is too tough if

it will help my grandson. That is why we started Miracle Mountain.

Costs????? You have Ability Camp, Reimers Hyperbarics in Canada,

in California and Miracle Mountain and I am sure some others who all charge

less than $100 per session. There are several good clinics who charge $125

or less per session. You have Miracle Flights who will fly you to the

locations free of charge. Or pay for plane tickets and fly to the UK where

you can donate what you can afford for treatments. You have a lot of

resources for raising money. I think the thing that amazes me most is how

many people say they cannot afford it yet can come up with 10 to 20 thousand

dollars for an inflatable chamber which delivers less than the ultimate and

never give the victim the opportunity to have full hbot. One person told

me they financed it. So what? You can finance HBOT also. So why not do

regular hbot first and then use the inflatable chamber for maintenance which

is Baro-Therapy and the ultimate program available. I can assure you we

have MD's who will work with you to determine which is best for your child

or victim if you want to do it.

In my opinion, there is no room for guessing games when it comes to the

future and the potential that hbot holds to improve the future of the brain

injured victim. We know what real hbot is and how it produces results. We

know mild hyperbarics is an excellent way to maintain those results.

Therefore we know that Baro-Therapy works, so why would we do anything else

that has a question mark within a thousand miles????????????????

Hartsoe

www.miraclemountain.org

Re: [MedicaidforHDOT] Documentation of Pennsylvania case

> Yes, I was doing fuzzy math. We charge $135 for 40 sessions and have a

> sliding scale for need. But the question is if you have $10K to spend, are

> you better in a home chamber that gives you 1.2/3 at seal level and not

> 100% O2 or are you better off getting the Harch/Nebauer protocol at 1.5

> and 100% O2. I know what Harch's position is, and he has SPECT scans to

> document the position. He believes after 80 treatments it is okay to use

> inflatables and less than 100% O2, but not before getting 1.5 and 100%.

>

> KP Stoller, MD, FAAP

> Assistant Clinical Prof, UNM HSC Dept Pediatrics

> Simply Hyperbarics

> www.simplyhyperbarics.com

>

> > You must be referring to HBOT in other countries. $125 a session

> > would be a good price in the US from what I have seen. $125 times 80 is

> > $10,000.

> >

> >> >>

> >> >> > Being over 21 it does not appear as if I can get insurance to

> > pay

> >> >> for HBOT. What is the cost of a home based HBOT unit. Do you

> > need to

> >> >> have a physician sign a release form to own one.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/28/2003 8:18:40 PM Central Daylight Time,

rhartsoe@... writes:

.. I think the thing that amazes me most is how

many people say they cannot afford it yet can come up with 10 to 20 thousand

dollars for an inflatable chamber which delivers less than the ultimate and

never give the victim the opportunity to have full hbot. One person told

me they financed it. So what? You can finance HBOT also. So why not do

regular hbot first and then use the inflatable chamber for maintenance which

is Baro-Therapy and the ultimate program available. I can assure you we

have MD's who will work with you to determine which is best for your child

or victim if you want to do it.

let me chime on this for a minute. Your saying regular HBOT is best by

far. Ok folks then if your able to finace the $20,000. for the portable then

finace the the $52,000. for the Sechrist with 100% oxygen. It is not hard to

finance.. There comes a time in life when you have to have a sense of a normal

life.. What you guy's dont understand it's not the traveling by itself

that causes these people to seek out the Portable Chambers. Some people like

traveling and yet some have JOBS. You have to be able to live a normal life

hold down a Job and so forth. IF there was a clinic in every town I could see

your argument .

However these people are trying there best. They don't have what you have or

I have or others have. They don't have the ability to jump up and say hey Im

going to install a chamber today. It is easy for us to critisise these people

because we have the ultimate choice for hyperbarics. I myself can walk into

another room and treat Katy at home with 100% O2 in a monplace Chamber. You can

drive a few minutes and treat your grandson. That is a big difference. These

people have JOBS they have homes and other children. How many jobs do you know

that will let these people off for two months... Don't get me wrong I agree

with you totally. They need HBOT in a Mono OR Multiplace facilty first. But

please don't question anyone's efforts no mater what they do. There trying hte

best

they can for there loved one.. Rather it be portabel or what....Oh the thing

that amazes you about how people can come up with 10 to 20 thousand dollars to

pay for a hyperbaric chamber. Well they look at it like this that is a one

time fee of 10 to 20 htousand dollars rather sevral fees of 100.00 a pop or even

200.00 a pop. Some people have over 200 treatments. We have to make this

available and affordable. When I first got into hyperbarics with Katy I remember

someone sayng this was going to happen if HBOT was not made available to the

public all over it would come to people building there own chambers or

installing them at home.

I have remained quite and will continue to do so on the list. I just saw this

post and had to comment.

PS>>>>

I think it is time we all put on in our home. That would start a whole new

movement... IF everyone in the U.S. put a chamber in the goverment would surely

pay attention then.

[Guest guest]

I second........for all that are fighting the " system " ....and can

finance.....and get the " TRAINING " necessary to SAFELY operate a chamber in your

home for

your loved one.....

Go for it! Waiting and watching your loved one is the worst thing.....

YES, I bet things would CHANGE in a big way!

Like all the homes that have hot tubs.......and excersize equipment!

I am not suggesting its as easy as that, but I'm suggesting that you go for

what you need in a different way if you have the opportunity!

God Bless You all that are going to take the " PLUNGE " !

No one is promised " Tomorrow " .....live each day as if it was your last!

[unable to display image].........Count your Blessings!

For all we know, our blessings are not the fruits of our prayers alone,

but those of another praying for us.

And.....

The task ahead of us is never as great as the power behind us.

My success is measured by my willingness to keep trying. "

- Anon.

Marguerite...

[Guest guest]

To Lynn and the rest of the group. If your interested in a home Chamber I

will help you in anyway I can just call me. If you want a portable fine. But if

you want to do the Monoplace fine to Call me I will help you in anyway I can.

With all the bullcrap aside and all the polotics. Regardless of what ayone

thinks. These last few week's have been ruff listening to all the bull. I can

only

tell you we have a wonderfull life now that we put our chamber in. We live

everyday like a normal functional family and we still treat her with HBOT. What

better solution is there than putting your own chamber in.

Darin

Call me

972-427-8825

[Guest guest]

RE: At 07:14 AM 9/29/2003, you wrote: \We have to make this

available and affordable.

Amen!

That is the point of this particular list and why I am on it.

If Medicaid is finally enforced at the state level and states finally have

to fulfill their Federal Legal obligations, I guarantee you that insurance

companies will be paying for HBOT for our kids very, very quickly. (That

is how my legislation was even listened to in California during the

financial meltdown that we are having.).

There is no reason in this country - given its philosophical, moral and

ethical positions, given what we do to help those in need, etc. - why any

parent has to be so overwhelmed in trying to get valid medical care for

their child. Particularly, given the cost savings to the health care system.

Warm Regards,

Ed

J. Nemeth

President, CEO

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