Re: Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

December 2, 2001

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Re: [ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

>Mister Freels:

>

>You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

>supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

>1. Post-graduate:

> A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each

>year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

> B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective

>choice to the physician.

> C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

>medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active

>Hyperbaric Medicine programs in the United States.

>2. Undergraduate:

> A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half

>day a week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the

>Director Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the

>University of California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was

>established in 1968.

> B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

>during their elective period.

>

>We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you

>and the participants our efforts in teaching.

>

>GB Hart MD FACS

>Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

>University of California, Irvine

Hello Dr. Hart,

I am so glad you are part of this forum. It is good to hear from you.

To your point, what I should have said is that a basic, fundamental course

on Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy is not a mandatory requirement for every first

year medical student.

Example: My younger brother is a orthopedic surgeon but was unfamiliar with

HBOT. He had heard of it but that was all. I have since educated him some.

However, because his elder peers don't utilize HBOT and since he's still in

the early years of his career, he's hesitant to step out and prescribe HBOT.

Thank you for clarifying my misinformation.

So what did you think of the UHMS ethics report and the fact that it's been

withheld from the public for nearly 2 1/2 years?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

" I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form

of tyranny over the mind of man. " -- Jefferson, probably an early

advocate of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy.

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December 2, 2001

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[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in

> > medical schools

> > Mister Freels:

> >

> > You have been misinformed - the University of California,

> > Irvine has supported and publisized the following types of

> > instruction:

> > 1. Post-graduate:

> > A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians:

> > periodically each year commencing in 1971 and continues to

> > this date.

> > B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an

> > elective choice to the physician.

> > C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in

> > emergency medicine.Past participants in this program are

> > directors of active Hyperbaric Medicine programs in the

> > United States.

> > 2. Undergraduate:

> > A. Second year medical students at their election

> > spend one-half day a week for three months under the

> > tutilage of the Director and the Director Emeritus - both

> > having professorial appointments with the University of

> > California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was

> > established in 1968.

> > B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full

> > time rotation during their elective period.

> >

> > We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this

> > will bring you and the participants our efforts in teaching.

> >

> > GB Hart MD FACS

> > Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

> > University of California, Irvine

> >

December 2, 2001

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[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each

year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective

choice to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active Hyperbaric

Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half day

a week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the Director

Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University of

California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was established in 1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you

and the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

December 2, 2001

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schools

Date: 12/01/2001 01:11pm

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically

each

year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an

elective choice

to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in

emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active

Hyperbaric

Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-

half day a

week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the

Director

Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University

of

California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was

established in

1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time

rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring

you and

the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

December 2, 2001

please remove me from your list.

[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each

year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective choice

to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active Hyperbaric

Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half day a

week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the Director

Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University of

California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was established in 1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you and

the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

December 2, 2001

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[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has supported

and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each year

commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective choice

to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active Hyperbaric

Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half day a

week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the Director

Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University of

California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was established in 1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you and

the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

December 3, 2001

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On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:17:24 -0500 rhartsoe <rhartsoe@...>

writes:

Dr. Hart, please excuse this country boys ignorance, but I do not see

anything about hyperbarics mentioned in any of these courses. Example:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians.

Where does it say Orientation Hyperbaric courses? Or are there subtitles

that are missing? Or is there a main hyperbaric category that these fall

under. Just trying to understand for my own information.

I think the whole point that and everyone else is trying to

understand, Dr. Hart, is simply this. Why is a therapy that is so good

at delivering Oxygen that it prevents amputations in the case of

gangrene, not touted as absolutely phenomenal by the medical profession.

And why must a diabetic wait until gangrene sets in before getting HBOT

reimbursed by Medicaid, when it could, in fact, prevent it to begin with?

We recently treated two stroke patients that was sent to us by local

MD's who thought it would " show us up " and now they are amazed at the

results we produced in only 3 weeks. In turn, these two patients avoided

thousands of dollars of additional health care costs as a result of

getting hbot. Whoops!!!! Did I hear a bell ring? We are all trying to

understand why and how ignorance can be so prominent in a profession that

has so much training available to it and that should become extremely

excited about helping their clients (patients)?

And why is it, when we ask these questions, that we do not get answers?

Still looking for answers, I am

Hartsoe

Children's Hyperbaric ative at Miracle Mountain

P.S.: If it were not for taking up so much time, I would have mentioned

the children and adults with brain injury and unable to walk, that after

spending years under the medical professions care without results, came

for hbot and walked for the first time after only 3 weeks of hbot. I

have the evidence, the witnesses, etc. but then, I understand, it is only

anecdotal and doesn't mean anything, so I will not mention it.

[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each

year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective

choice to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active

Hyperbaric Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half

day a week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the

Director Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the

University of California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was

established in 1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you

and the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

December 3, 2001

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>>> rhartsoe@... 12/01/01 08:17PM >>>

Dr. Hart, please excuse this country boys ignorance, but I do not see anything

about hyperbarics mentioned in any of these courses. Example: A. Orientation

courses for practicing physcians.

Where does it say Orientation Hyperbaric courses? Or are there subtitles that

are missing? Or is there a main hyperbaric category that these fall under.

Just trying to understand for my own information.

I think the whole point that and everyone else is trying to understand,

Dr. Hart, is simply this. Why is a therapy that is so good at delivering

Oxygen that it prevents amputations in the case of gangrene, not touted as

absolutely phenomenal by the medical profession. And why must a diabetic wait

until gangrene sets in before getting HBOT reimbursed by Medicaid, when it

could, in fact, prevent it to begin with? We recently treated two stroke

patients that was sent to us by local MD's who thought it would " show us up " and

now they are amazed at the results we produced in only 3 weeks. In turn, these

two patients avoided thousands of dollars of additional health care costs as a

result of getting hbot. Whoops!!!! Did I hear a bell ring? We are all trying

to understand why and how ignorance can be so prominent in a profession that has

so much training available to it and that should become extremely excited about

helping their clients (patients)?

And why is it, when we ask these questions, that we do not get answers?

Still looking for answers, I am

Hartsoe

Children's Hyperbaric ative at Miracle Mountain

P.S.: If it were not for taking up so much time, I would have mentioned the

children and adults with brain injury and unable to walk, that after spending

years under the medical professions care without results, came for hbot and

walked for the first time after only 3 weeks of hbot. I have the evidence, the

witnesses, etc. but then, I understand, it is only anecdotal and doesn't mean

anything, so I will not mention it.

[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has supported

and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each year

commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective choice

to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active Hyperbaric

Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half day a

week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the Director

Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University of

California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was established in 1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you and

the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

December 3, 2001

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> Subject: [ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

> Date: Saturday, December 01, 2001 1:11 PM

>

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each

year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective

choice

to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active

Hyperbaric

Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half day

a

week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the Director

Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University of

California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was established in

1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you

and

the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

December 3, 2001

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[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical

> > schools

> > Date: 12/01/2001 01:11pm

> >

> > Mister Freels:

> >

> > You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

> > supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

> > 1. Post-graduate:

> > A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically

> > each

> > year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

> > B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an

> > elective choice

> > to the physician.

> > C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in

> > emergency

> > medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active

> > Hyperbaric

> > Medicine programs in the United States.

> > 2. Undergraduate:

> > A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-

> > half day a

> > week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the

> > Director

> > Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University

> > of

> > California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was

> > established in

> > 1968.

> > B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time

> > rotation

> > during their elective period.

> >

> > We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring

> > you and

> > the participants our efforts in teaching.

> >

> > GB Hart MD FACS

> > Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

> > University of California, Irvine

> >

December 4, 2001

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