Re: Digest Number 221

[Guest guest]

<< Lynn, here is a link to my notes on hot and cold process soap:

http://www.naturesapprentice.com/makesoap.htm

Basically, hot process soap is cold process soap taken through to trace

and then put under head (3 primary ways to do this discussed under the

hot process section at the above link). All the sap takes place and

most of the water is evaporated so it is ready to use 1-3 days if done

right.

Hope this helps. >>

Thank you very much! I plan to spend a while studying your web page when the

kids are in bed! I truly appreciate your help. I've ruined four batches

trying to figure it out on my own!

[Guest guest]

Bruxastauff@... wrote:

>

> From: Bruxastauff@...

>

> << Lynn, here is a link to my notes on hot and cold process soap:

> http://www.naturesapprentice.com/makesoap.htm

>

> Basically, hot process soap is cold process soap taken through to trace

> and then put under head (3 primary ways to do this discussed under the

> hot process section at the above link). All the sap takes place and

> most of the water is evaporated so it is ready to use 1-3 days if done

> right.

>

> Hope this helps. >>

>

> Thank you very much! I plan to spend a while studying your web page when the

> kids are in bed! I truly appreciate your help. I've ruined four batches

> trying to figure it out on my own!

I hope you didn't toss it out! Remember this is " cooking " so if you

need to adjust with adding a little more water or cooking a little

longer to evaporate water do so. You can rebatch almost anything.

Let me know how the new batch comes out. Sorry I don't have all the

pictures up there yet to help ya. They and recipes have yet to come.

Wiz

[Guest guest]

At 01:08 PM 4/11/00 +0000, you wrote:

>hi marge, what type of a food processor do i need to crumble the

>scraps. my husband got me a mini quazar, but it wont shred the soap.

>also, what ratio soap to borax? thanks, i have TONS of soap scraps.

>cathy hartwell

I use either a salad shooter (which doesn't grate them as finely as I

would like) or a 25 year old cuisinart.

and I suspect I throw in about 1/2 cup grated soap and a scant 1/4 cup

borax...but who measures?

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[Guest guest]

So Claudine,

Does that mean bones less dense so more easily

broken? Reason i ask is that i went rollerskating

and fell backwards for first time ever and

cracked/fractured my elbow....in terrible pain

and wondering about taking painkiller or

ibuprofen? Anyone have suggestions? Have

prescription for tylenol with codeine #3.

Well, what more can happen to me. Now have to be

off work for at least 2-3 weeks...last thing i

needed.

Dawn

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My message to you: Don't worry, be happy!!

Love to hear from YOU!

Dawn

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

Yep, that's what it means!

Both my endocrinologist (for my hypothyroidism)

and my rheumatologist (for arthritis) keep telling me

how high risk I am for osteoporosis. Even my PCP just

brought it up. Besides the fact that I have a strong

family history of it, having a liver disease is an

additional risk factor, and so is thyroid disease.

Either hyper or hypo from what I understand, but with

hypo it has something to do with the replacement

hormone you take. (??? Don't quote me on this, I

might have it wrong!) Over a year ago my

rheumatologist had me start taking 1000mg. of calcium

(800mg. of Citracal) plus 250IU of Vit. D, and 250mg.

of magnesium. That is in addition to the multiple

vitamin-mineral supplement I take, which has another

200mg. of calcium, and D and magnesium too, but not in

very large amounts. That's the easy part! The hard

part is getting enough exercise! But it has been

stressed to me how important that is in strengthening

the bones and preventing bone loss, so I try! I have

heard of the painful consequences of osteoporosis, and

really don't want to experience it first hand!

That's really too bad about your elbow, although

it's great you are feeling good enough to go roller

skating! (I am NOT telling my husband about that, he

is wanting me to learn to ride his dirt bike! He's

nuts! I have enough aches and pains as it is!) Are you

still on treatment? Sorry, can't remember! I would

stick with the Tylenol #3, since there have been

reports of ibuprofen causing elevated LFT's. If that

is not strong enough you might try Vicodin. If you

don't need as much pain relief just try 2 extra

strength Tylenol (same as Tylenol #3 without the

codeine). Everyone is different in how much pain

relief they need, and what works for them.

Take care,

Claudine

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Claudine

claudinecrews@...

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Debe!

SBI Prayer Forum

[Guest guest]

Help with OT!

My son just turned 3 in May and is enrolled in our town's preschool program.

He is severly apraxic and has SI issues as well. My school said that OT is

only provided if the need is of educational purposes. Does this make sense to

anyone??? At my IEP they said they would have an OT eval done in September.

They wanted to give him a few months to get used to the class and focus on

speech. I know how important the OT is to his SI. Has anyone else had this

problem with OT in an IEP? Thanks

Lori (mom to jesse 3.1 severly apraxic)

*****Lori*****

[Guest guest]

Hello Everyone,

I have been reading, with interest, comments regarding providing worker's

comp. care through migrant health care clinics. I, too, have only

ancedotal information that has raised questions in my mind as to where

farmworkers are getting care for occupational illnesses and injuries. Just

a few comments.

To begin, we need to be careful not to separate occupational or

environmental health concerns from primary health care or

prevention. Providers and others should always obtain a history of

workplace or environmental exposures in the collection of data required for

diagnosing a condition. Reasons to do so include assessing the physical,

emotional, social/economic issues as well as addressing advocacy and

current or future compensation needs. In addition, diagnosis of a

condition caused by work or environmental exposure could have implications

for co-workers, families and public health in general.

That said, however, it is understandable given the limited economic and

physical resources of the clinics and the provider's, administrator's or

the staff's busy schedules, to take on worker's comp. treating

provider role for the clinic's clients and employer groups could be a bit

overwhelming.

Developing a program within the migrant health care system requires

training in assessment, evaluation and management of occupational and

environmental conditions, the State's workers' comp. law and reporting

requirements; case management (including disability management, advocacy,

and patient teaching); an understanding of the state fee schedule and

accurate coding for reimbursement. My bet is that the clinics are treating

problems associated with work or environmental exposures and are not

receiving appropriate compensation for the care given. In addition, the

patients may be lacking the necessary work up required to discern work

relatedness or the case management necessary to help them navigate the

system and employers may not be getting the feedback they need to improve

work conditions.

Taking on a worker's comp. program will undoubtedly require work and

commitment. However, it should be beneficial to the migrant

clinics, farmworkers and their families.

Souza, MSN, C-NP, COHN-S

UCSF Division of Occupational & Environmental Med.

Pediatric Environmental Health Specialty Unit

Box 0843

San Francisco, CA 94143-0843

P: 415-206-4320

Fax: 415-206-8949

Email: dsouza@...

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>Topics in this digest:

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> 1. RE: RE: funding for health centers

> From: <sdavis@...>

> 2. RE: RE: funding for health centers

> From: " Das, Rupali (DHS-OHB) " <RDas@...>

> 3. Re: RE: funding for health centers

> From: Kauffold <kauffold@...>

> 4. Workers Compensation Insurance

> From: Don Villarejo <donfarm@...>

> 5. RE: Workers Compensation Insurance

> From: " Mata, Adolfo " <amata@...>

> 6. Farmworkers & Workers Compensation Insurance

> From: " Das, Rupali (DHS-OHB) " <RDas@...>

> 7. Sustainable funding for diabetes outreach

> From: " Nuestra Comunidad Sana " <ncs@...>

> 8. RE: FW: [Leadnet] Outreach materials in Spanish nee...

> From: " Steege, " <avs0@...>

> 9. RE: Sustainable funding for diabetes outreach

> From: " MacNaughton, " <nmacnaughton@...>

>

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>

>Message: 1

> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:14:05 -0400

> From: <sdavis@...>

>Subject: RE: RE: funding for health centers

>

>Hi Elia and Adolfo,

>

>Let's not demonize or defend anyone for a moment and just talk fact and

>perceptions. There is definitely a perception out there that workers comp

>is a difficult time-consuming system to deal with. While some hassle is

>definitely involved, much of the problem is due to the fact that people are

>unfamiliar with it and haven't used it. (In general, big disputes and

>delays arise around issues of permanent disability or very expensive

>treatments. Clinics won't tend to see patients in those categories. For

>the more run of the mill injuries that are covered, clinics could help

>workers file claims. If a claim is not disputed, the payment system works

>reasonably well. Payments levels vary by state.

>Calfornia is a good place to try to work to get more clinics involved in

>workers comp because all farmworkers are covered. One hurtle that has to

>be overcome is that workers have to designate a doctor in advance -- or the

>employer picks the doctor. There is also a process for changing doctors

>(if the worker isn't satisfied with the employer's doctor) but it is more

>cumbersome. So, clinics would want to learn how to do these claims and

>encourage their patients to sign a form designating the clinic as their

>doctor in the event of a problem.

>Workers comp is governed by state law. Thus, each state is a little

>different. I have written a manual which provides an overview of workers

>comp and a little about the state law of each state. (I could send you a

>copy if you want to see it). But a follow-up workshop should be done in

>each state which takes the specific forms of that state, and goes thru the

>necessary process so that a clinic could be up and running with this. Such

>a workshop could be done by Elia's group or NACHC (or FJF). We would only

>do it if we got money for it because I would want to hire as a consultant a

>current insurance claims evaluator -- who could really explain what will

>get your claim through.

>Remember, we are all on the same side...

>

>

> At 04:47

> PM 5/29/2001 -0700, you wrote:

> >Adolfo,

> >

> >Since you asked, and I had a conversation about this one incident a

> >while back…

> >No incidents, beyond this one incident has been brought to my attention. So

> >at this point, I am unclear about information beyond this.

> >

> >I will say, however, that as with all migrant health centers nationwide,

> >California's migrant health centers have as their primary mission to serve

> >farmworkers, a predominantly uninsured population. California community and

>

> >migrant health centers served over 300,000 farmworkers, providing over 1

> >million encounters in 1999 and they had to come up with the resources to pay

> >for this level of service.

> >

> >I will admit that I am not familiar with worker's comp, but I am assuming

> >that worker's comp would pay for some of this care…if the cause were work

> >related. If worker's comp does help cover the cost of serving a

> >predominantly uninsured population, then our non-profit community health

> >centers have tremendous incentive to seek out this funding. I have never

> >seen my folks turn their backs on resources to assist them in their mission

> >unless there was an extremely good reason. Is there? Again, I am not

> >familiar with worker's comp and at this point, I have no tangible reason to

> >believe that our health centers are not taking advantage of these resources.

> >

> >I guess primarily, I am confused by the dialogue and would like to hear more

> >than anecdotes because of my lack of background on this…I would appreciate

> >hearing what worker's comp does and what it doesn't…..what is required to

> >secure worker's comp payments and if there are any good resources that I can

> >give to anyone that, like I, is confused by this conversation.

> >

> >Elia

> >

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From: Mata, Adolfo [mailto:amata@...]

> >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:38 PM

> > ' '

> >Subject: RE: [ ] RE: funding for health centers

> >

> >Elia Gallardo,

> >

> >Are you aware of this happening in California?

> >

> >Adolfo

> >

> >

> >

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From: [mailto:sdavis@...]

> >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:20 PM

> >

> >Subject: RE: [ ] RE: funding for health centers

> >

> >

> >Hi,

> >

> >I, too, have heard only anecdotal reports of clinics which are not handling

> >workers comp cases. But, in the instance that came to my attention in a

> >timely way, I called the clinic director directly and he confirmed that the

> >clinic would not accept workers comp cases. Hope this is helpful.

> >

> >

> >At 09:04 AM 5/25/2001 -0700, you wrote:

> >>--

> >>

> >>We have heard anecdotally from farm workers that some CA clinics have been

> >>hesitant to evaluate their workers comp cases because of payment issues. Do

> >>you know of any systematic documentation of this problem?

> >>

> >>

> >>Rupali Das, MD, MPH

> >>Occupational Health Branch

> >>California Department of Health Services

> >>1515 Clay St., Suite 1901

> >>Oakland, CA 94612

> >>tel. (510) 622-4300 fax (510) 622-4310

> >>rdas@...

> >>

>

> >>> ----------

> >>> From:

> >>> Reply

> >>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:53 AM

> >>> ; ' Lighthall'

> >>> Cc: Migrant_Health_Research; SF Sequoia Community Health

> Foundation

> >>> Subject: Re: [ ] RE: funding for health centers

> >>>

> >>> Just to add a footnote to Adolfo's suggestion about third party payors.

> >>> I'm sure that clinics do think about enrolling their patients in Medicaid

> >>> or CHIP when they are eligible for such benefits, but those programs are

> >>> restricted to certain legal US residents or citizens. A third party

> >payor

> >>> program that is not restricted by immigration status (in except in Maine)

> >>> is workers compensation. In California, in particular, all agricultural

> >>> workers are covered by workers comp. Some clinics have been reluctant to

> >>> accept workers comp because they are reluctant to do the paperwork. But

> >>> this is another potential income stream which should be considered.

> >Where

> >>> possible, clinics should accept workers comp because it helps the

> >>> farmworkers. Farmworkers who otherwise end up in a hospital emergency

> >>> room, may end up with a big debt.

> >>>

> >>> At 03:00 PM 5/24/2001 -0400, Mata, Adolfo wrote:

> >>> >, and others,

> >>> >

> >>> >The Bureau of Primary Health Care funding allocation formula for health

> >>> >center base budget adjustments (increases) does take into account

> >>> >demonstrated increases in migrant/seasonal users served and level of

> >>> > " uncompensated care " provided, in addition to other variables. There

> >was

> >>> an

> >>> >increase in the community health centers federal appropriations, in the

> >>> FY

> >>> >2001 budget. Of course the need is always greater.

> >>> >

> >>> >All community/migrant health centers, are eligible for base adjustments

> >>> >provided they meet certain criteria established by the Bureau with input

> >>> in

> >>> >the form of recommendations from the Migrant Funding Allocation Work

> >>> Group,

> >>> >convened regularly by the Bureau. Elia Gallardo from the California PCA

> >>> is a

> >>> >member of this workgroup. Of course, Sequoia has to compete with all

> >>> other

> >>> >migrant programs across the country and Puerto Rico for new migrant and

> >>> >community health dollars. The competition is tough.

> >>> >

> >>> >Enrollment of ALL ELIGIBLE (not just migrant and seasonal agricultural

> >>> >workers) of health center users in such programs as Medicaid and State

> >>> >Children's Health Insurance Programs, in addition other forms of third

> >>> party

> >>> >reimbursement programs is one way to stretch migrant health dollars to

> >>> >served the truly " uninsured " , " underserved " and " ineligible " for public

> >

> >>> >assistance programs such as single migrant farmworker men. If, a

> >migrant

> >>> >health center has any questions, they should contact Ersek,

> >Acting

> >>> >Chief, Migrant Health Branch, 301.594-4303. can also be reached

> >>> by

> >>> >email: gersek@...

> >>> >

> >>> >Adolfo Mata, Director

> >>> >Hispanic Health Initiative

> >>> >Office of the Director/Bureau of Primary Health Care

> >>> >Health Resources and Services Administration/US DHHS

>

> >>> >4350 East-West Hwy, 11th FL

> >>> >Bethesda, land 20814

> >>> >(301) 594-4976

> >>> >amata@...

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >-----Original Message-----

> >>> >From: Lighthall [mailto:dlighthall@...]

> >>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:27 PM

> >>> >Mata, Adolfo

> >>> >Cc: Migrant_Health_Research; SF Sequoia Community Health Foundation

> >>> >Subject: FW: funding for health centers

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >Hi Adolfo and others:

> >>> >

> >>> >This (message below from the Sequoia clinic in Fresno) seems like a

> >>> classic

> >>> >quandary for the clinic trying to do the right thing. Any thoughts?

> >Any

> >>> >help coming down the pike at the federal level? Things don't look too

> >>> great

> >>> >here in California for more state support, both in terms of the downturn

> >>> in

> >>> >the stock market, which really hits our income tax intake, and the

> >energy

> >>> >crisis.

> >>> >

> >>> >Regards,

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >-----Original Message-----

> >>> >From: Laurie Primavera [mailto:lauriep1@...]

> >>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:16 PM

> >>> >dlighthall@...

> >>> >Subject: funding for health centers

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >Hi - I have been unable to attend CVHN meetings and needed to talk

> >>> with

> >>> >you. We were most honored at Sequoia to have the Endowment unveil the

> >>> >suffering in silence studies. We, at Sequoia have maintained an

> >expanded

> >>> >hour program for two years that increases access to farmworkers on

> >>> weekends

> >>> >and nights at three clinics. Higher utilization of males, better show

> >>> rates

> >>> >with single car transport, etc. Many benefits to expanded hours for

> >>>

> >>> >farmworkers. Downside-it attracts higher uncompensated care-probably

> >>> those

> >>> >farm workers who are not documented and/or males who simply do not

> >>> qualify

> >>> >for medical.

> >>> >

> >>> >We are reducing our hours, leaving our largest site open sat, sun and

> >>> >evenings in hopes to get some funding. I have been unable to access

> >>> support

> >>> >for this program- foundations want to give seed money and want to know

> >it

> >>> is

> >>> >sustainable. Without additional state, federal support, we are

> >incurring

> >>> >much higher uncompensated care when we reach the population your study

> >>> >addressed. Can you help me with funding access or ideas? Thanks

> >>> >

> >>> >

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> >>> >

[Guest guest]

I think there's a research study here:

post-surgical pedidexterity of adolescent idiopathic scoliosis patients

I sure use my toes to pick things up all the time and have since my

Milwaukee brace days!

Marie

[Guest guest]

Good Afternoon to you all!

I have not been able to check mail over the last few days. Christmas is coming so darned fast! I'll tell ya, whenever I check in with this group I feel such peace inside me. I am grateful for each and everyone of you! Without you all, I wouldn't have been able to complete treatment.

Hang in there Jan! I will pray for you husband to make it into aa. Diane, glad to see your back! So sorry for your loss. Your friend must have been very special. , Dennis, A big Hello from Philly! Our Eagles are very close huh!!! Raf, we will be here for you when you start treatment! It will be a trying time for you but you can get through it! Remember, God will not give us more than we can handle and This too shall Pass! DZ, are you bouncing off the walls yet with all of your new energy? My friends want to tie me down! I cannot sit still and I go to bed at 11:30 and up at 6:00 and feel so rested! Hey, will someone please catch me! I never remember feeling so good and am grateful for it all!

Love, Vicky

[Guest guest]

Vicky it is so good to see you so happy and energetic..That's great..I know you and Dave will have a great Christmas now!!Yes Christmas is coming very fast isn't it?? I'm ready for the Holiday Spirit though..I know I feel truly blessed this year to have all of you in my life...I don't know where I'd be without all of you..You have helped me keep my sanity through so many trying times..I pray all of you have a Blessed Christmas and a Wonderful New Year!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Well, I'll tell you one thing, they're getting a lot

more productivity out of me at work. I am able to

concentrate a lot better. It's a good thing too,

because I have a new project that has been demanding

10 and 11 hour days. We don't get paid overtime, but

we can take comp time for any OT hours we build up.

Good to hear from you again. -dz-

--- VicLea227@... wrote:

> Good Afternoon to you all!

>

> I have not been able to check mail over the

> last few days. Christmas

> is coming so darned fast! I'll tell ya, whenever I

> check in with this group

> I feel such peace inside me. I am grateful for each

> and everyone of you!

> Without you all, I wouldn't have been able to

> complete treatment.

>

> Hang in there Jan! I will pray for you

> husband to make it into aa.

> Diane, glad to see your back! So sorry for your

> loss. Your friend must have

> been very special. , Dennis, A big Hello from

> Philly! Our Eagles are

> very close huh!!! Raf, we will be here for you when

> you start treatment! It

> will be a trying time for you but you can get

> through it! Remember, God will

> not give us more than we can handle and This too

> shall Pass! DZ, are you

> bouncing off the walls yet with all of your new

> energy? My friends want to

> tie me down! I cannot sit still and I go to bed at

> 11:30 and up at 6:00 and

> feel so rested! Hey, will someone please catch me!

> I never remember feeling

> so good and am grateful for it all!

>

> Love, Vicky

>

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[Guest guest]

-dz-

I am so Happy for you...... I am really glad that your energy has

picked up......

YOU GO BOY!!!!!!!!! ;o

Angel Hugs,

Diane

May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, Peace & Unity

[Guest guest]

I'm still amazed. I also cut over $100/mo off of my

medication bills (that was just co-pays). I'll have to

be careful though, because with all the christmas

treats around and I'm feeling well enough to eat them,

I could start plumping out fast. -dz-

--- diane214@... wrote:

> -dz-

> I am so Happy for you...... I am really glad that

> your energy has

> picked up......

> YOU GO BOY!!!!!!!!! ;o

>

> Angel Hugs,

> Diane

>

> May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope,

> Peace & Unity

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

-dz-

Have them in moderation!!!! ;o You earned the treats..... ;o

Angel Hugs,

Diane

May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, Peace & Unity

[Guest guest]

Hi Dennis,

Good Hearing from you........ I'll bet you are enjoying the

fire..... Especially with the Holiday drawing near....

Happy Holidays to one and all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angel Hugs,

Diane

May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, Peace & Unity

[Guest guest]

Dave...You are doing something in moderation??? Tell me your secret because

when I do something regardless if it's eating fudge to trying to sleep I put

ALL I have into it...LOL

[Guest guest]

Oh, that I could do anything in moderation...

-dz-

--- diane214@... wrote:

> -dz-

> Have them in moderation!!!! ;o You earned the

> treats..... ;o

>

> Angel Hugs,

> Diane

>

> May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope,

> Peace & Unity

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I was just wishing that I could do anything in

moderation. When I was drinking, to me, drinking in

moderation meant that when I woke up I knew where I

was and how I got there. Like you, I tend to jump in

with both feet. -dz-

--- Jannewilms42@... wrote:

> Dave...You are doing something in moderation??? Tell

> me your secret because

> when I do something regardless if it's eating fudge

> to trying to sleep I put

> ALL I have into it...LOL

>

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[Guest guest]

Sandy,

My mom drinks the Kirkland weightloss shakes. I will take them for her if

you don't have any other takers. And I also use the gen-soy ultra sometimes

if you want to bring it. I will be there on Monday night. Thanks for

sharing.

P.

Sandy wrote:

From: landco@...

Subject: Re: Protein drinks

sorry patricia, no grape.

i have atkins in choc and vanilla.

pure protein in choc, van ice cream, and cappuccino.

in dry mix i have gen-soy ultra in vanilla, and trader joes soy protein.

i also have nearly a whole case (24) of kirkland weightloss

shakes..comparable to ultra slimfast.

if i dont get any takers i guess the next food drive gets them.

[Guest guest]

ok chris,

the weightloss shakes and gen-soy are yours..see ya mon nite.

Sandy Landry

Landco@...

Lynnwood, Wa.

[Guest guest]

it is good to be hearing from so many people who are happy with their revisions. It seemed like 'the other group' had an awful lot of negative posts and people who ended up with no reduction in pain, more pain, or applying for permanent disability. I found those stories to be very frightening! Now I am wondering if there is an objective study of revision patients and how many have had positive outcomes and how many people wish they had not had revisions? Does this group tend to attract the positive people? Are the people with negative outcomes not able to sit long enough to correspond with us (or maybe they are too depressed)? After hearing the positive stories, I am slightly less inclined to say NO WAY! to more surgery (but I am in no way ready) Now, if I could figure out a way to spend my recovery period in the Bahamas . . .

Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at

[Guest guest]

Hello SB -

You are so right in describing how nice it is to hear so many

positive revision outcomes.....I too left the " other group " around

the same time as most did, and am in total agreement that this group

is much more informative, congenial, and supportive. Unfortunatly I

believe I would fit into the group you speak of as having had

negative results from revision surgery resulting in all that you

list - no reduction of pain, more pain, and (to my dismay) going on

permanent disability (although with that group I refrained from

posting any 'negative' posts, just as I do in this group). As to

your other questions, even with my outcome I will not say I regret

having had revision surgery - it was something that needed to be

done. And I would think that this group does attract positive

people by the simple fact that all of its members are considerable

upbeat and positive themselves. And no, it's not that I am not able

to sit long enough to coorespond - I read every single post every

day - and no, I'm also not too depressed. I'm so thankful for

finding all of you - without this group I probably would have just

accepted my problems and done my best to get by. But thanks to you

all, I've been to Texas to consult with Dr. LaGrone, and also to San

Francisco to see Dr. Hu, and am scheduled for an osteotomy February

28 at UCSF. With any luck, this time I will have good results and

will be more able to contribute positive posts on here. For I most

definately do not want to be one of those stories you found to be

very frightening.....which is the main reason I seldom post.

Peace -

~CA ~

>

>

> it is good to be hearing from so many people who are happy with

their revisions. It seemed like 'the other group' had an awful lot

of negative posts and people who ended up with no reduction in pain,

more pain, or applying for permanent disability. I found those

stories to be very frightening!

>

> Now I am wondering if there is an objective study of revision

patients and how many have had positive outcomes and how many people

wish they had not had revisions? Does this group tend to attract

the positive people? Are the people with negative outcomes not able

to sit long enough to correspond with us (or maybe they are too

depressed)?

>

> After hearing the positive stories, I am slightly less inclined

to say NO WAY! to more surgery (but I am in no way ready)

>

> Now, if I could figure out a way to spend my recovery period in

the Bahamas . . .

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[Guest guest]

SB...

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>

> it is good to be hearing from so many people who are happy with

their revisions. It seemed like 'the other group' had an awful lot of

negative posts and people who ended up with no reduction in pain, more

pain, or applying for permanent disability. I found those stories to

be very frightening!

>

> Now I am wondering if there is an objective study of revision

patients and how many have had positive outcomes and how many people

wish they had not had revisions? Does this group tend to attract the

positive people? Are the people with negative outcomes not able to

sit long enough to correspond with us (or maybe they are too depressed)?

>

> After hearing the positive stories, I am slightly less inclined to

say NO WAY! to more surgery (but I am in no way ready)

>

> Now, if I could figure out a way to spend my recovery period in

the Bahamas . . .

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

, thanks for the good honest answer. I bet even wasn't real

satisfied with revision #2; thankfully she continued on to revision #3.

Here's hoping #2 is your last!

Sharon

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> Hello SB -

>

> You are so right in describing how nice it is to hear so many

> positive revision outcomes.....I too left the " other group " around

> the same time as most did, and am in total agreement that this group

> is much more informative, congenial, and supportive. Unfortunatly I

> believe I would fit into the group you speak of as having had

> negative results from revision surgery resulting in all that you

> list - no reduction of pain, more pain, and (to my dismay) going on

> permanent disability (although with that group I refrained from

> posting any 'negative' posts, just as I do in this group). As to

> your other questions, even with my outcome I will not say I regret

> having had revision surgery - it was something that needed to be

> done. And I would think that this group does attract positive

> people by the simple fact that all of its members are considerable

> upbeat and positive themselves. And no, it's not that I am not able

> to sit long enough to coorespond - I read every single post every

> day - and no, I'm also not too depressed. I'm so thankful for

> finding all of you - without this group I probably would have just

> accepted my problems and done my best to get by. But thanks to you

> all, I've been to Texas to consult with Dr. LaGrone, and also to San

> Francisco to see Dr. Hu, and am scheduled for an osteotomy February

> 28 at UCSF. With any luck, this time I will have good results and

> will be more able to contribute positive posts on here. For I most

> definately do not want to be one of those stories you found to be

> very frightening.....which is the main reason I seldom post.

> Peace -

> ~CA ~

>

>

>>

>>

>> it is good to be hearing from so many people who are happy with

> their revisions. It seemed like 'the other group' had an awful lot

> of negative posts and people who ended up with no reduction in pain,

> more pain, or applying for permanent disability. I found those

> stories to be very frightening!

>>

>> Now I am wondering if there is an objective study of revision

> patients and how many have had positive outcomes and how many people

> wish they had not had revisions? Does this group tend to attract

> the positive people? Are the people with negative outcomes not able

> to sit long enough to correspond with us (or maybe they are too

> depressed)?

>>

>> After hearing the positive stories, I am slightly less inclined

> to say NO WAY! to more surgery (but I am in no way ready)

>>

>> Now, if I could figure out a way to spend my recovery period in

> the Bahamas . . .

>>

>>

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