Re: OT Preschool teachers

[Guest guest]

The use of duct tape on a pre-school child or any child is cruel and

unusual treatment. A clear violation of civil rights, and if it goes

unreported, then where will the tape end up next time.

Yes you and anyone elses child who is subjected to that type of

treatment, should most definatly make an ISSUE OF IT!

aka Rusty Limbs

[Guest guest]

Thanks Angie - I agree with your goals (where do you teach, and can I move

there!) - but it looks like what preschool meant to me. Rob does pretty well

with the alphabet - though he confuses " C " and " E " a lot, and some of the other

letters - he recognizes his name - but can't write much at all yet. He can

count to 35 (he always skips 15) . Being a commuter child - he has learned

to read interstate signs ( " Mom you can go east or west on 410) - and will

actually hear the traffic report on the radio and comment - like yesterday he

said " Mom, the radio said that a big truck spilled glass on 95 - are we going to

go on 295 or 29? Do we go North on those too, to go home? " ). I too thing they

need to relax, have fun and get rid of those index cards! Thanks!

Val

Rob's Mom (4,systemic)

In a message dated Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:53:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, " Angie "

<atm87@...> writes:

> Val,

>

> Wow, all that from a Preschool teacher. I guess I must not be doing my job

> LOL. Sounds like they need to stop being so formal and learn to have a

> little fun. Don't get me wrong, Preschool is important, but there is a way

> to teach them and still have lots of fun doing it.

>

> We do assessments, but we don't put so much stress on this or that. Heck,

> right now, I would be happy if I could get them all to write their name. At

> least they can recognize it. I have had so many moms come to me and tell me

> how far their kids have come in the last 9 weeks, and I don't get into all

> that " goal " stuff she was talking about. Our goal is to get through the

> alphabet, teach them manners and how to sit still in chair, do fun crafts,

> learn our numbers from 1 to 10, learn our phone number, learn how to get

> along with our friends, learn some rules (or choices as I put them), learn

> how to interact on the playground and in the classroom, learn how to clean

> up after ourselves, etc. The simple basic things (and usually a lot more)

> to prepare them for kindergarten. I have had several kindergarten teachers

> in our school district come to me and tell me they wished all their kids

> came to my class, so I feel pretty good.

>

> Anyway, it sounds to me like she doesn't enjoy her job very well. Just my

> humble opinion, for whatever it's worth.

>

> Angie,

>

> Nacogdoches, TX

> Re: overstating symptoms, parent teacher conf & med s

>

>

> >Hi guys! I was thinking about the same thing - wondering if we

> over-react/over-report symptoms. Since on the steriods Rob has been

> " choking " a lot - just out of the blue - on apparently his own saliva. I

> was real concerned - and the rheumy was too - and then when the ENT folks

> stuck a tube down the poor little guys' nose to check his larynyx - I

> thought - maybe I over-reacted to this. But, I guess not really - he still

> does it and I am still concerned - he had such a rough time with that

> experience that I haven't had the heart to schedule the barium swallow just

> yet.

> >

> >Georgina - I am so sad to hear that Josh's symptoms seem to be returning.

> I hope that things improve soon - and that the steriods don't have to be

> raised back up.

> >

> >Rob's doc emailed me yesterday - his labs are doing so well that they are

> prepared to start trying to decrease his steriods - so we are going from

> 27mg a day to 25.5 mg a day. So, I am pleased and anxious at the same time.

> Rob seems to have more pain in the last couple of days - and we only started

> to taper today. I keep saying I am going to keep a log or something - to

> keep track of how much pain he really has....

> >Also, I had the parent teacher conference yesterday - (now I know why Rob

> adds " and all that " at the end of so many of his sentences - sorry I guess I

> am being picky - my grammer isn't always the best either) Overall I felt it

> was a waste of time. They have this formula with a book, and use a chart

> they fill in - identifying " goals (weaknesses?) " in different areas, such as

> " affective, social, creative, physical, etc " - and then pick from lists

> under each category the " areas to work on " (aka goals). I am thinking that

> in an effort to not list where the child is doing well, and where the child

> is not doing well that they have chosen this method to identify goals (which

> I can't help but think means areas that need improvement) - that they have

> removed all clarity. She then said about more than one goal that "

> has improved much in this area, but I had to put something, so I chose

> this. " Ridiculous. Then she showed me this card (they apparently have to

> do one each week on each child that shows how they are developing in that

> area) - and the one she showed me from that week recounted how he went to

> her when a child took something from him & she said what do you want now -

> and he said I want him to give it back & she asked why and he said because

> he had it first. That only happens about three times a day - yet it was

> supposed to illustrate something about how he is learning to interact - and

> yes I know that it may be a perfect illustration on he interacts - but it

> doesn't illustrate growth when he has been doing this for six months. When

> we finished with the chart she asked me if I would add anything from their

> lists as goals in these categories and I told her that looking at the big

> picture that all of them are areas that need developing because he is only

> 4, " a work in progress " and learning in all of these areas, but that for his

> age he is bright, articulate and compassionate & he does frustrate easily

> when he can't get something to work the way he wants, doesn't always want to

> share - and isn't part

> >cularly social the first couple of hours in the day - but that nothing in

> the chart was going to identify Rob and his current needs. I then brought

> up specifics that Rob was having trouble with and then brought up the

> pumpkin incident and expressed my concern that Rob not be made to feel inept

> when he is having problems with what appear to be simple tasks. I let her

> know that Rob was very hurt and distressed - and that he may appear to be

> having a good day because he doesn't want to appear different from the other

> children. She said that they would take that in to account - but i really

> had the feeling that after the " required " chart was complete she was already

> on her way out - she stood up to end the meeting while I was still talking.

> >

> >Ok - enough rambling for now. Take care all

> >Val

> >Rob's Mom (4,systemic)

> >

> >In a message dated Thu, 25 Oct 2001 3:44:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> Georgina <gmckin@...> writes:

> >

> >> Hi Becki,

> >>

> >> Most of us, I think, have had this same thing happen. Not quite knowing

> >> if we're over-reacting or over-reporting some of our children's

> >> symptoms. I think it's still a good idea to report most things though,

> >> even if you decide to call back later to clarify. The doctor will be

> >> able to get a better picture of what's going on.

> >>

> >> Hmmmm ... As I type this, I'm thinking about how much things have

> >> changed for me regarding this kind of situation. My son Josh has had JRA

> >> for 6 years and 5 months now. I haven't phoned his pediatrician or his

> >> rheumatologist this week, even though I've had some concerns. We'll be

> >> seeing his rheumatologist on Friday morning though so I think it can

> >> wait till then. Plus, I think I'm still a little fearful/cautious of the

> >> outcome. Believe me, if it was 5 or so years ago, I would have already

> >> brought Josh in for an office visit.

> >>

> >> Josh has been having some pain and inflammation in both of his feet and

> >> in his left wrist. Why left, I'm not sure, as he's right-handed. It's

> >> been recurring ever since we made the last 1mg taper in his prednisone.

> >> Those used to be problem areas for . Those few joints had such a

> >> major impact on his daily living. He used to not even hardly be able to

> >> bear any weight on his feet. His pediatrician even took xrays at one

> >> point, believing that he had a fracture there because it was causing

> >> Josh so much pain. His little ankles used to get so swollen and have

> >> those darned bumpy nodules on them. His fingers and wrists hurt so bad

> >> at times that he found it hard to hold a crayon or pencil.

> >>

> >> His wrists and feet hadn't been bothering him for so long that I really

> >> was hoping that they would no longer be affected by arthritis. Ever

> >> again. At all ... but even after all this time, it seems like the

> >> steroids may have just been masking the problems. His blood work from

> >> last month showed a higher SED rate. Back up into the 30's again. Which,

> >> compared to the much higher SED rates he used to have (in the 130's!),

> >> still seems really good but compared to the more recent lower numbers

> >> (like an 11) it has me somewhat worried about a setback.

> >>

> >> Josh is handling it okay but he's not happily telling me, anymore, that

> >> his arthritis is gone He's been waking up a little stiff and sore

> >> again. He's had no qualms about taking his meds. He even has begun

> >> taking the evening dose a little earlier I've noticed, as his feet hurt

> >> so much by the end of the day. I had hoped that he was feeling a little

> >> under the weather just because he was sick with sinusitis and that once

> >> he was finished with the antibiotics, his arthritis symptoms would

> >> disappear. Well, not quite yet.

> >>

> >> Oh .... but getting back to your questions about MTX injections .... I

> >> may very well be biased but I'd opt for an increased dose of MTX over

> >> corticosteroids, any day. My son started MTX orally immediately and we

> >> didn't switch to injectable for almost 5 years. I wish we had done it

> >> sooner because he responded so much better to injections than to the

> >> pills. I think we may have had a much easier time reducing his steroids

> >> if we had gone that route.

> >>

> >> I know you must be so happy that the doc has agreed to just a milligram

> >> increase in steroids. For us, we always had to raise it much higher to

> >> have the same effect that we had on a lower dose. If we were tapering

> >> down from 10 to 9mgs and the JRA started to flare, going back up just to

> >> 10 wouldn't help. We'd usually need to double up the dose and start over

> >> from there, as soon as things quieted down again and we could begin

> >> reducing once more. That's just how it was for us, though. Everybody is

> >> different. The lowest dose that causes a positive response would be the

> >> better way to go, I'm sure. So I do wish you all the best, as you and

> >> the doctor try to figure out the best solution for . You will both

> >> be in our thoughts.

> >>

> >> Take care,

> >> Georgina

> >>

> >> Allan Larson wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Hi,its Becki,talked to rheumy this morning about .I get really

> nervous

> >> > sometimes and I dont say everything I want to or it comes out

> wrong,anyway I

> >> > think I made Dave sound worse than what he really was,s symptoms

> tend to

> >> > follow a 2week pattern then change.He wanted to bring up from 9mg

> >> > prednisilone to 21 mg.He also moved his appointment up 1.5weeks to show

> me how

> >> > to do MTX injections.Well after about an hour of thinking things over I

> called

> >> > him back.See had 2 really good weeks prior to his last

> appointment,rheumy

> >> > said MTX was starting to work(barely)he should do even better over next

> >> > 8weeks,This was on a monday,everyday he got a little worse more joint

> >> > involvement that would come and go all day long.Before it was only in

> the

> >> > morning then hed be fine all day after taking pred then he would have

> problems

> >> > at night.the bad lasted 2weeks what I didnt tell rheumy is that this

> week things

> >> > have calmed down again,only has problems first thing in morning then

> again at

> >> > night.No problems duiring the day.this morning he didnt even want to

> take it

> >> > because he wasnt in any pain it is 10:45 and still no problems.Called

> Rheumy

> >> > back really conserned that I might have overexaggerated and that hes

> doing

> >> > better this week,rheumy agreed that since he is coming in to see him

> this

> >> > monday,he would be willing to comprimise.We are only going to raise him

> up to

> >> > 12mg.What a huge differance.He still has to take his MTX orally this

> fri. but

> >> > hopefully when he starts injections he will respond better.

> Becki and

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > wrote:

> >> >

> >> > > Hi Becky

> >> > >

> >> > > My daughter is 9 and we switched to injections just about 2 years ago

> after

> >> > > nearly 5 years on pills. The switch was tough to make-- just the

> thought of

> >> > > sticking my baby every week was awful! But once the decision was made

> it

> >> > > went well. We use emla to numb 's arm before the injection,

> though I

> >> > > would suggest using an ice cube first. The ice numbs the skin quickly

> and

> >> > > then you can just get it done. The emla takes time, so the kids have

> time to

> >> > > think about what's going to happen. I've tried to get to try

> the ice,

> >> > > but she doesn't want to change things. Anyway, 's response to

> the

> >> > > injections has been good. She was on 20mg orally, but we've been able

> to

> >> > > maintain things at 15 by injection. She also is able to enjoy her

> weekends

> >> > > now, rather than throwing up every weekend. If the rheumy is in

> agreement, I

> >> > > would definitely try the injections, maybe even at a higher dose,

> before

> >> > > going back up on the pred. Methotrexate, while having some risk of

> side

> >> > > effects, certainly is far better for the kids than long term steroid

> use. As

> >> > > many of the moms will tell you, the goal with steroids is to use as

> little

> >> > > as possible for as little time as possible.

> >> > >

> >> > > Let us know what you and the rheumy decide to do.

> >> > >

> >> > > Liz

> >> > > MTX injections

> >> > >

> >> > > > Hi,its Becki.Dont feel like rambling,but have feeling once i start

> i

> >> > > > wont be able to stop. is 3yrs old 39in 44lbs and he has been

> on

> >> > > > 9mg prednisilone for 32 days,he is also on 15mg MTX orally he can

> go

> >> > > > up to 20mg then have to add something else.About 1month ago Dave

> did

> >> > > > alot better,Rheumy said MTX was starting to work but it would take

> >> > > > about 8weeks for maximum affect.He has been going down hill ever

> >> > > > since.Alot more joint involvement that lasts for longer periods of

> >> > > > time.The other day he went to bathroom and he couldnt turn the

> >> > > > doorknob to get himself out.Found him screaming and crying at the

> >> > > > other end of the house.He was a wreck,it really scared him.Anyway

> >> > > > rheumy mentioned a couple of months ago that may have to go

> to

> >> > > > MTX injections,they are supposed to work better.Well I have found

> >> > > > myself in a place where I dont know what to do.All I think about is

> >> > > > and what we need to do to make him feel better.He has lost

> 2lbs

> >> > > > since he was dropped from 12mg pred do we raise it back up or raise

> >> > > > his MTX again?I feel like a mean mommy because I think I want to go

> >> > > > ahead and try the injections,before rheumy says to.Anything to make

> >> > > > him feel better(and no I dont mean I will just start doing it).How

> did

> >> > > > your kids respond when they were switched from oral to

> >> > > > injections,Iwould really like to hear anything you have to say.

> >> > > > Becki and 3systemic

> >>

> >>

> >> For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:

> >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

lol Val I can just hear rob telling you those things from the back seat lol These boys ..its like they just are wired for navigating lol as for me lol well spin me around in a bucket three times and I can't find my way out lol!!!!!! Got my self so lost one time when Matt was 6 and he told me that I was driving in a circle and if I'd just make the next left instead of a right that would point me towards home ..darned if he wasn't exactly right lol :):):)Tree:):):) MTX injections> >> > >> >> > > > Hi,its Becki.Dont feel like rambling,but have feeling once i start> i> >> > > > wont be able to stop. is 3yrs old 39in 44lbs and he has been> on> >> > > > 9mg prednisilone for 32 days,he is also on 15mg MTX orally he can> go> >> > > > up to 20mg then have to add something else.About 1month ago Dave> did> >> > > > alot better,Rheumy said MTX was starting to work but it would take> >> > > > about 8weeks for maximum affect.He has been going down hill ever> >> > > > since.Alot more joint involvement that lasts for longer periods of> >> > > > time.The other day he went to bathroom and he couldnt turn the> >> > > > doorknob to get himself out.Found him screaming and crying at the> >> > > > other end of the house.He was a wreck,it really scared him.Anyway> >> > > > rheumy mentioned a couple of months ago that may have to go> to> >> > > > MTX injections,they are supposed to work better.Well I have found> >> > > > myself in a place where I dont know what to do.All I think about is> >> > > > and what we need to do to make him feel better.He has lost> 2lbs> >> > > > since he was dropped from 12mg pred do we raise it back up or raise> >> > > > his MTX again?I feel like a mean mommy because I think I want to go> >> > > > ahead and try the injections,before rheumy says to.Anything to make> >> > > > him feel better(and no I dont mean I will just start doing it).How> did> >> > > > your kids respond when they were switched from oral to> >> > > > injections,Iwould really like to hear anything you have to say.> >> > > > Becki and 3systemic> >>> >>> >> For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:> >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html> >>> >>

[Guest guest]

Val,

I live in Nacogdoches, TX. It is a pretty nice town. It's not very big

though, and is kind of laid back and old fashioned. It reminds me of the

olden days with brick streets and old, old buildings in the town square

area. We were transferred down here from the Kansas City, MO area last

Summer.

I will say extra prayers for you guys and hope that Rob's teachers relax a

little bit. It is only preschool and they are supposed to have fun before

the real stuff begins.

Talk to you soon.

Angie

[Guest guest]

hi yall

i learned my 2 kids with driveing around and road signs and what they meant

but the early years were watching wheel of fortune we would watch the show

and play along this helped them spell and read early also i read to them

and i would take them places and tell them i needed to find a road and spell

it to them they would look for the spelling and holler there it is mom

lololol

it was fun and like a game and they were so excited to do it also

i would also play with them like man yall i am lost and yall are going to

have to help me find the way back home lololol

they would guide me home lololololol

this is what spending time with the kids and learning is

looking up names in the phone book also helps them

learning adding and subtracting was fun also

we did it with dry beans and grocery shopping lolololol little things we

adults take for granted are really tools to learning

Robbin

[Guest guest]

teachers are wonderful teachers also have to enjoy what they do as a career

but each person is a teacher to a point think about the important lessons

you have learned growing up who inspired you

each parent along with the teacher and school should know what the other is

doing

and the PTA and PTO should encourage the parent and teacher to come and be

one on one with the child if the teacher is teaching something then the

parent should help also when at home this way they get a double dose

and it also helps with study skills in the future

learning should be fun to the kids

Robbin

[Guest guest]

Since we've been talking about preschool teachers, I want to get an opinion

about something that happened yesterday at 's preschool. Apparently,

she didn't want to keep her shoes on, which is their major pet peeve. She's

in time-out constantly because of it. When I picked her up, she had duct

tape around her shoes so she couldn't get them off. I walked in and the 2 yr

olds were all saying " was bad today. Look at her shoes. " I'm livid.

I think duct taping her shoes to her feet was totally inappropriate. I also

think having to walk around all day with her shoes like that is kind of like

walking around with a scarlett letter on. Angie--as a preschool teacher,

what do you think? Am I overreacting? I didn't say anything when I picked

her up because I was so shocked, I wasn't sure how to react.

Diane (, 2, pauci)

[Guest guest]

Angie-

I guess I think it's cruel and unusual punishment, too. I just need to find

a preschool with teachers who have your outlook. My other daughter's

preschool is awesome. I love it and so does she. We need to get potty

trained so we can get her into that school. Unfortunately, she doesn't seem

overly interested.

Diane

[Guest guest]

Diane and all,

What is wrong with these preschool teachers????? I don't know for sure, but

isn't that some violation?? I have kiddos that won't keep their shoes on

and we just work on it and remind them. And then, some days, when I don't

feel like saying for the hundredth time, " Please leave your shoes on " , we

just all take them off and have a sock hop. Now they ask for that and

remember that if they keep their shoes on like their supposed to, it's a

treat to have a sock hop.

I guess I'm weird, but that sounds like cruel and unusual punishment. I can

safely say that I for one would never revert to that, ever!!!!! And I have

a few that won't keep their shoes on either. I even have one that has

" wiggle butt " and won't keep her chair in the right place, so I just moved

her to the end of the table so she doesn't bump into her neighbor or crowd

them out all the time. Now she just has limited space to wiggle. There are

better ways to deal with problems and that to me sounds extreme. In my

humble opinion.

Angie

Re: OT Preschool teachers

>Since we've been talking about preschool teachers, I want to get an opinion

>about something that happened yesterday at 's preschool. Apparently,

>she didn't want to keep her shoes on, which is their major pet peeve.

She's

>in time-out constantly because of it. When I picked her up, she had duct

>tape around her shoes so she couldn't get them off. I walked in and the 2

yr

>olds were all saying " was bad today. Look at her shoes. " I'm livid.

>I think duct taping her shoes to her feet was totally inappropriate. I

also

>think having to walk around all day with her shoes like that is kind of

like

>walking around with a scarlett letter on. Angie--as a preschool teacher,

>what do you think? Am I overreacting? I didn't say anything when I picked

>her up because I was so shocked, I wasn't sure how to react.

>

>Diane (, 2, pauci)

>

>

>For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:

>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Diane,

First of all, I would file a written complaint with the school director.

Secondly, I would, if there is no appropriate action taken, which would

include an apology, send a written complaint to the overseeing body. If your

little one attends a chain preschool, send the letter to corporate

headquarters. If the school is accredited by the National Association for

the Education of Young Children (NAEYC) I'd fill that group in as well. Last

but not least, I'd consider moving my child to another class or another

school if this is how they treat kids.

Can you tell I have strong opinions on this one??

Take care, and let us know how this is resolved.

Liz

Re: OT Preschool teachers

> Since we've been talking about preschool teachers, I want to get an

opinion

> about something that happened yesterday at 's preschool. Apparently,

> she didn't want to keep her shoes on, which is their major pet peeve.

She's

> in time-out constantly because of it. When I picked her up, she had duct

> tape around her shoes so she couldn't get them off. I walked in and the 2

yr

> olds were all saying " was bad today. Look at her shoes. " I'm

livid.

> I think duct taping her shoes to her feet was totally inappropriate. I

also

> think having to walk around all day with her shoes like that is kind of

like

> walking around with a scarlett letter on. Angie--as a preschool teacher,

> what do you think? Am I overreacting? I didn't say anything when I

picked

> her up because I was so shocked, I wasn't sure how to react.

>

> Diane (, 2, pauci)

>

>

> For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:

> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

A kind word or deed, at just the right moment, can positively impact

someone's life in such a profound way. A negative statement or action

can have just as far-reaching implications, especially when said or done

to a child by someone that he or she cares about, trusts, or loves. A

teacher is in a position of authority. To misuse their power and control

in a way that is hurtful and demeaning to a child riles me. She should

have called on an aide and stepped out of the classroom to regain her

composure, instead of acting on impulse and pulling out the duct tape

for that humiliating scene.

Or, in your brother's case, before making unfounded accusations and

using put-downs. I'm glad your Mom reacted as quickly as she did, to

pull him out of that program, Elisheva. He doesn't seem to have missed

out on much by not finishing that course.

Take care,

Georgina

Elisheva wrote:

>

> When my brother was in preschool, one of his teachers told my mother that he

> was retarded and should be placed in special ed. Well, he is now almost 19

> years old and one of the smartest people I know (he got a 1600 on his PSATs

> and in the high 1500s on his SATs).

> Another time my brother was in a summer program for gifted students,

> probably about 3rd grade, and the teacher told him he was stupid. My mother

> got so mad; she yelled at the teacher and pulled my brother out of the

> program.

> I wonder what kind of person would say something like that to a child, and

> more than that why that kind of person would become a teacher??

>

> Re: duct tape on shoes, I remember a few years back there was a huge law

> suit where I come from because a teacher wrote a note ( " Where are my

> glasses? " ) on a girl's face. The claim of the law suit was basically that

> she had unduly embarrassed this girl in front of her classmates. Putting

> duct tape on a kid's shoes seems even more cruel...

>

> Elisheva

[Guest guest]

Hi,

This situation has me remembering when was in 1st grade. He had

an Asian teacher and they got a brand new classroom that year. She was

very particular about the students needing to take off their shoes, as

they often do in Japan, before entering the classroom. Being from the

East Coast, I always had my kids wearing shoes or sneakers. I didn't

think it was appropriate for them to go to school in rubber slippers, as

the majority of other kids did. I was new to Hawaii and the local ways.

Well, Josh had active arthritis in his hands and feet. And elsewhere. He

had to bend down, or sit down, to remove his shoes and getting up again

used to not be so easy for him to do. Plus the tying and untying, or

even just the fastening of velcro back then. It all took time and seemed

so unnecessary to me. I had thought about trying to get a doctor's note,

saying that Josh should keep his shoes on at school but after talking

with Josh, we decided to just go ahead and get him a pair of slippers to

wear. To slip on and slip off, easily.

So many children used to run around the campus barefoot. This past year,

we got a notice saying that children had to wear shoes at all times

while at school. Maybe someone got hurt? I don't know. But I do remember

wondering how the teachers who didn't want kids wearing shoes in the

classrooms felt about this change in policy.

Take care,

Georgina

nLilly@... wrote:

>

> Dear Diane,

> After reading your letter I too was TOTALLY shocked! I agree that it was

> NOT appropriate at all to tape her shoes on! The one thing that came to

> mind is the fact that my Kate never would keep her shoes on either

> around that age--and while it is a stage that the kids go through--it

> also could be the fact that their feet may be hurting. Kate always had

> trouble with joint pain in her feet--not to mention that her feet would

> get so hot and sweaty. I think you have every right to report this to

> the person incharge of this school! Sorry to sound irate but it really

> makes me mad to hear something like this happening to our ittle ones!

> Good Luck!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I was sorry to hear about 's flare. Did the rheumatologist put her back on any medication?

Chris

Re: OT Preschool teachers

Angie-

I guess I think it's cruel and unusual punishment, too. I just need to find

a preschool with teachers who have your outlook. My other daughter's

preschool is awesome. I love it and so does she. We need to get potty

trained so we can get her into that school. Unfortunately, she doesn't seem

overly interested.

Diane

[Guest guest]

this is OUR schools OUR tax money pay for this

WE as the parent and as tax payers should report this treatment to the school

board and councilman

duct tape is totally rediculious

when i was going to school i remember this teacher would pinch me and she had

long nails and she brought blood sometimes also the ruler was popular then

to and i have gotten hit with them to and i was a nice kid straight As but

teachers also get a kid they just dont like and this teacher just didnt like

me

i remember that so when my kids started school i informed the teacher and

principal

that under NO circumstance will my kids be punished unless i am there and

there is to be NO contact with anything i have allowed the ISS in school

suspention

if we as parents dont take control of things like this now think about the

next child

which might get it worser

i gave birth to my kids and i am the one who is responceble for them in

correcting them not a teacher

IF a teacher has a problem with a child then the parent should be called

and then ADULTS talk

then talk with the child about what happened and why they did it

Robbin

[Guest guest]

Dear Diane,

After reading your letter I too was TOTALLY shocked! I agree that it was

NOT appropriate at all to tape her shoes on! The one thing that came to

mind is the fact that my Kate never would keep her shoes on either

around that age--and while it is a stage that the kids go through--it

also could be the fact that their feet may be hurting. Kate always had

trouble with joint pain in her feet--not to mention that her feet would

get so hot and sweaty. I think you have every right to report this to

the person incharge of this school! Sorry to sound irate but it really

makes me mad to hear something like this happening to our ittle ones!

Good Luck!

[Guest guest]

ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS..OH HELL NO!!!!!Please excuse my language if

i offended you or anyone else..that is so ridiculious that they would do

something like that to a child it is sad. Humiliation is not the way to

teach a child not to do something. I know Tabitha use to take her shoes off

because her feet hurt or because her feet sweat because of the low grade

fever she always has. She had a teacher in 5th grade who knocked all her

books off her desk during class because she dropped her pencil. Well i went

to the school and the principal explained the teachers behavior with a point

that he had been a teacher for 20 years and lost his cool..well i said maybe

it is time he retire from his job..if he can't handle a child dropping their

writing utensils. I have learned that teachers like this doesn't like a

classroom where there is a child that needs a little patience or extra help.

It is bad enough that your child has to be in pain but to have to go through

this breaks my heart. To bad you couldn't find another daycare. I would

definitely be calling someone or filing a complaint.

I had to laugh about the post about potty training..when you said she wasn't

interested..i have 2 2ys olds who are turning 3 soon. They go find as long

as it is during the day and all they have on our panties..or like the

one(nude), put clothes on them and forget it. So i have not been brave to

try nighttime potty training. then to think i have one more who is 15 months

to start yet..glad there will be no more children..my 2 teens were easy to

potty train..well my son was a little bit different..and not so eager.lol

Good luck in whatever way you choose to handle this problem. Give the little

one a hug for me..tell her she is a good girl.

karen and tab(16..poly)

From: dbornscheu@...

Reply-

Subject: Re: OT Preschool teachers

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:26:10 EDT

Since we've been talking about preschool teachers, I want to get an opinion

about something that happened yesterday at 's preschool. Apparently,

she didn't want to keep her shoes on, which is their major pet peeve. She's

in time-out constantly because of it. When I picked her up, she had duct

tape around her shoes so she couldn't get them off. I walked in and the 2

yr

olds were all saying " was bad today. Look at her shoes. " I'm livid.

I think duct taping her shoes to her feet was totally inappropriate. I also

think having to walk around all day with her shoes like that is kind of like

walking around with a scarlett letter on. Angie--as a preschool teacher,

what do you think? Am I overreacting? I didn't say anything when I picked

her up because I was so shocked, I wasn't sure how to react.

Diane (, 2, pauci)

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[Guest guest]

When my brother was in preschool, one of his teachers told my mother that he

was retarded and should be placed in special ed. Well, he is now almost 19

years old and one of the smartest people I know (he got a 1600 on his PSATs

and in the high 1500s on his SATs).

Another time my brother was in a summer program for gifted students,

probably about 3rd grade, and the teacher told him he was stupid. My mother

got so mad; she yelled at the teacher and pulled my brother out of the

program.

I wonder what kind of person would say something like that to a child, and

more than that why that kind of person would become a teacher??

Re: duct tape on shoes, I remember a few years back there was a huge law

suit where I come from because a teacher wrote a note ( " Where are my

glasses? " ) on a girl's face. The claim of the law suit was basically that

she had unduly embarrassed this girl in front of her classmates. Putting

duct tape on a kid's shoes seems even more cruel...

Elisheva

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Chris-

Thanks. We were very sad to see her flare up again. She's back on the

Relafen. She goes to the Dr. again in about 1 1/2 weeks. I have a bad

feeling she'll be stepping up to another med (prior to her remission, we were

discussing methotrexate). The NSAIDs never really helped that much with the

swelling. Her doctor made it clear he wants to be aggressive given the

involvement of other joints. I'm seeing some possible swelling in yet

another joint now. Amazingly, she's still insisting nothing hurts. I'm not

so sure though. She has been having quite a bit of trouble sleeping every

night since she flared.

Diane

[Guest guest]

You're right Tree, and it is so funny to hear Rob tell people how to get to his

house. One of his friends from school didn't make it to the party, because his

Mom got lost - she saw Rob at school and apologized, telling him she got lost -

then Rob said , Well, it's easy, you just take 295 North ...... and proceeded to

tell her how to get there. He later told me that next year I had to give her a

better map. He is too funny.

In a message dated Fri, 26 Oct 2001 2:11:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, " theresa

sappenfield " <treesap0@...> writes:

> lol Val I can just hear rob telling you those things from the back seat lol

These boys ..its like they just are wired for navigating lol as for me lol well

spin me around in a bucket three times and I can't find my way out lol!!!!!! Got

my self so lost one time when Matt was 6 and he told me that I was driving in a

circle and if I'd just make the next left instead of a right that would point me

towards home ..darned if he wasn't exactly right lol :):):)Tree:):):)

MTX injections

> > >> > >

> > >> > > > Hi,its Becki.Dont feel like rambling,but have feeling once i start

> > i

> > >> > > > wont be able to stop. is 3yrs old 39in 44lbs and he has been

> > on

> > >> > > > 9mg prednisilone for 32 days,he is also on 15mg MTX orally he can

> > go

> > >> > > > up to 20mg then have to add something else.About 1month ago Dave

> > did

> > >> > > > alot better,Rheumy said MTX was starting to work but it would take

> > >> > > > about 8weeks for maximum affect.He has been going down hill ever

> > >> > > > since.Alot more joint involvement that lasts for longer periods of

> > >> > > > time.The other day he went to bathroom and he couldnt turn the

> > >> > > > doorknob to get himself out.Found him screaming and crying at the

> > >> > > > other end of the house.He was a wreck,it really scared him.Anyway

> > >> > > > rheumy mentioned a couple of months ago that may have to go

> > to

> > >> > > > MTX injections,they are supposed to work better.Well I have found

> > >> > > > myself in a place where I dont know what to do.All I think about is

> > >> > > > and what we need to do to make him feel better.He has lost

> > 2lbs

> > >> > > > since he was dropped from 12mg pred do we raise it back up or raise

> > >> > > > his MTX again?I feel like a mean mommy because I think I want to go

> > >> > > > ahead and try the injections,before rheumy says to.Anything to make

> > >> > > > him feel better(and no I dont mean I will just start doing it).How

> > did

> > >> > > > your kids respond when they were switched from oral to

> > >> > > > injections,Iwould really like to hear anything you have to say.

> > >> > > > Becki and 3systemic

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:

> > >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

> > >>

> > >>

[Guest guest]

Looks like everyone agrees the duct tape was inappropriate. My husband was

not quite as outraged as I was. He thought it was inappropriate, but

commented, " It's not like they ductaped her ankles and wrists. " He didn't

think I should make an issue of it. I did talk to 's primary teacher

this morning. She's not the one who did it. It was someone who comes in

during the afternoon and I'm not sure who she is. Anyway, I told the teacher

what happened, said I was extremely upset and thought the teacher's actions

were totally inappropriate. She didn't say much. Just said she'd talk to

the teacher and make sure it never happened again. I still may speak to the

director. I wasn't really thrilled by the place before this, and now will

definitely start looking into other alternatives.

Diane

[Guest guest]

Georgina,

I am envious of your relaxed Hawaiian environment. Here in South Dakota,

children must have snowsuits and snow boots to leave the blacktop on the

playground. Having grown up on the Mexican border and slowly moved northward,

it has always been difficult for me to make sure my children were dressed

warmly enough. I have told my husband we are not moving any farther north

(most notably because of Abbie). Then last month he came home and said his

territory has changed to the entire country of Canada and the company wants

us to possibly move there in a couple of years. No offense to all the

wonderful Canadian members of this group, but I told him he had rocks in his

head. lol Last winters 50 below wind chills almost did me in. Everyone please

say a prayer for my sanity as winter approaches.

Christy

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with the replies that you have already received. I was appalled

when I saw this. (Rob's pumpkin incident pales in comparison.) I would at the

very least make an appt and talk to someone about this.

I have to add that Rob's teacher's supervisor asked me about the incident (the

other teacher had mentioned it to her) anyway, she told me that the policy is

for children to be encouraged to do things on their own, and that if they ask

for help after they try if they ask again they get help. I told her that while I

thought it important to learn to do things on their own, that Rob, who is very

much a " do it myself " kid isn't likely to ask for help unless he really needs

it, and since I had told them that his hands were bothering him that I expected

them to do more with the information they have. I also told that he isn't

likely to ask for help when he has already been told " no " . I suggested that it

was fine to encourage him to do it on his own, but to watch and see if he

continues to have trouble and then offer to help. Or, ask why he can't do it

and observe to see what kind of problem he is having before turning him away. I

was pleased that she came to me, & I felt that something had been accomplished.

Val

Rob's Mom (4, systemic)

In a message dated Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:27:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dbornscheu@... writes:

> Since we've been talking about preschool teachers, I want to get an opinion

> about something that happened yesterday at 's preschool. Apparently,

> she didn't want to keep her shoes on, which is their major pet peeve. She's

> in time-out constantly because of it. When I picked her up, she had duct

> tape around her shoes so she couldn't get them off. I walked in and the 2 yr

> olds were all saying " was bad today. Look at her shoes. " I'm livid.

> I think duct taping her shoes to her feet was totally inappropriate. I also

> think having to walk around all day with her shoes like that is kind of like

> walking around with a scarlett letter on. Angie--as a preschool teacher,

> what do you think? Am I overreacting? I didn't say anything when I picked

> her up because I was so shocked, I wasn't sure how to react.

>

> Diane (, 2, pauci)

>

>

> For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:

> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, Brrrr 50 below? I was complaining about land being too far north

for me - even though I grew up in nearby WV. I am already complaining about the

cold. (We've had a couple of nights in the 30's.) I am ready to go back to VA

or CA!! (though Angie's small town in TX sounds great too!) Oh well, I can

dream, for now I'm stuck here - but I can be grateful I have a good job, with

great employers (who understand last minute time off with Rob) - he has great

doctors and I have you guys! Maybe this winter I will have to count my

blessings instead of degrees!

Val

Rob's Mom (4, systemic)

In a message dated Mon, 29 Oct 2001 2:24:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gazelle34@... writes:

> Georgina,

>

> I am envious of your relaxed Hawaiian environment. Here in South Dakota,

> children must have snowsuits and snow boots to leave the blacktop on the

> playground. Having grown up on the Mexican border and slowly moved northward,

> it has always been difficult for me to make sure my children were dressed

> warmly enough. I have told my husband we are not moving any farther north

> (most notably because of Abbie). Then last month he came home and said his

> territory has changed to the entire country of Canada and the company wants

> us to possibly move there in a couple of years. No offense to all the

> wonderful Canadian members of this group, but I told him he had rocks in his

> head. lol Last winters 50 below wind chills almost did me in. Everyone please

> say a prayer for my sanity as winter approaches.

>

> Christy

>

>

> For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:

> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

>

>

[Guest guest]

Val-

It sounds like you made some progress with Rob's teacher, or at least the

supervisor. Maybe they just need a little more education about jra to make

them more sensitive to issues which might arise with Rob. Hope things

approve.

Diane

[Guest guest]

I give you alot of credit for not blowing up at that teacher although I

think she deseerves it! Having had 3 kids go through preschool, I have

never, luckily, had this problem. If I were you I would say something to

this person. She should have a love for children and their individuality. In

the grand scheme of things, wearing shoes in preschool is not a big deal.

Seems to me that the teacher is having a control/power issue with your

daughter. The teacher wants the control and one child is seeming to defy

her. The teacher needs a reality check. Also what she did is abusive and I

bet if one of us did that to our kids we would be reported to the

authorities. JMHO, Michele

Re: OT Preschool teachers

Since we've been talking about preschool teachers, I want to get an opinion

about something that happened yesterday at 's preschool. Apparently,

she didn't want to keep her shoes on, which is their major pet peeve. She's

in time-out constantly because of it. When I picked her up, she had duct

tape around her shoes so she couldn't get them off. I walked in and the 2

yr

olds were all saying " was bad today. Look at her shoes. " I'm livid.

I think duct taping her shoes to her feet was totally inappropriate. I also

think having to walk around all day with her shoes like that is kind of like

walking around with a scarlett letter on. Angie--as a preschool teacher,

what do you think? Am I overreacting? I didn't say anything when I picked

her up because I was so shocked, I wasn't sure how to react.

Diane (, 2, pauci)

For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html