Guest guest Posted August 11, 1999 Report Share Posted August 11, 1999 Thank you all for such a warm welcome. One of the things I've been asked is: .. How is doing these days? Has she had some remissions throughout the years or has it been more of a constant thing? If she's had remissions, how long was the longest one? Has she needed to take medicine from the beginning or has she had periods off medicines and then back on again? We only saw rashes on the onset. She would get a night sweats. That's when the fevers were bad too. By the time we got to the doctors in the morning she would be fine. Because we would give her Tylenol. Doctors said it was a virus the nurse said JRA. We were going crazy I remember it like it was yesterday two months later we were sent to MUSC where they told us it was JRA. The Years have come and gone and is doing fine, she just got x rays today. They have had her in hand and knee braces for years now she hates them. Her pain when walking was very bad at first, She was in a wheel chair when she was five. We use it sometimes still, if we are going to be doing a lot of walking, Like Disney World. But she is out of the wheel chair now and up and running with her sister h who is 6. Blood work stays out of values. Has anybody else child done this... Two years ago we had the most freighting experience she was at school and flared the teacher pushed her to walk through the long hallways from the lunch room back to her room then to the nurse anyway though she said she was in severe pain. They called me said she had a stomach ache, I live 2 minutes away by the time I got there she was in total contractors and all of her joints frozen. We rushed her to the hospital, for one week she stayed that way, she could not move anything except her head. When she came out of it she was fine. Doctor said it was due to stress. Now we home school. She's fine stress level is down, sed rate is down, no new problems since we took her out of school. She stays on her medicines, DR. Silvers here at MUSIC Chalderns Hospital has been our guiding light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 1999 Report Share Posted August 11, 1999 , How old is ? What was her highest SED rate? Which meds is she on now? I have a daughter who will be four on Saturday and was diagnosed May 19th of this year. Her SED rate was as high as 90 and is now at 74. She is allergic to Prednisone, Solumedrol and Indocin killed part of her liver. So right now she is just on Decaron 8 mg every other day, with 1/2mg on the other four days and Prilosec 20mg every day. 1mg Decadron = 10mg Prednisone I think. She is looking great though (apart from Cushingoid features and hair growth) and running around just fine. We live in ton just outside of Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 1999 Report Share Posted August 12, 1999 Hi , 's highest SED rate was 88 on on set now she runs 32 to 40. One time it came down to 15, last year summer by next blood work it was back up. Her medicines are: Methotrexate 2.5 mg takes 4 each Thursday night. Ranitidine 150 mg 2x day. Predtsone 5 mg 1x every other day. Plaquenil 200 mg 1x day. Tolmetin Sodium 400 mg 3x day. Neoral 0.5 mg oral 2x day. How many on the list are ish decent? Tomorrow the cure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 1999 Report Share Posted August 12, 1999 , Thanks for the info on 's meds. What are the following: Plaquenil, Tolmetin Sodium, and Neoral? and how old is she again and her weight? I get awfully muddled here with every ones ages etc. I wonder if Georgina has a list of every ones details. If she doesn't may be we could start one. It would be nice to know how old, weight, length of time with JRA, meds and day to day symptoms, SED's etc. Somehow it seems to put 's JRA into perspective when I have someone else to compare her with. I can feel " Oh yes she's on a low does of that, or that's a high dose " or what ever if you know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2000 Report Share Posted January 9, 2000 Kat, I'm so sorry to hear that your son Jordan is experiencing so much pain right now. The initial flare is often times the worst. Things should get much easier for him once they begin treating the JRA more aggressively. Ibuprofin or one of the other NSAID's is usually the first level of treatment but if that's not enough to control the pain and other symptoms, and it doesn't sound like it is, they will soon begin a combination therapy. They had my son Josh taking just Naprosyn in the beginning and it didn't help much at all. He still had twice daily fevers and LOTS of inflammation and pain in his joints, that got progressively worse. Most times they introduce methotrexate first, which is a medicine they also use for chemo ~only arthritis patients get it in a MUCH lower dose, usually beginning with 7.5mgs a week. Usually it's given in 3 little yellow pills. One of the parents here once suggested squishing them into those mini-marshmallows to make it easier for younger kids to take. My son hated the way his liquid medicines tasted so badly that he started taking pills easily when he was just 6 years old. MTX can take several weeks/months to begin working but it often helps a lot. The rheumatologist may also suggest that your son take prednisone, a corticosteroid, which works much more quickly than the methotrexate. The relief is often immediate and it can put out the fires of a flare. We've just been discussing here how alternate day dosing is in many ways more beneficial than daily doses. My son's initial JRA flare was very severe and he needed to be hospitalized for two weeks and given steroids intravenously. When he got home, he still needed them daily. If your son does need steroids, maybe you can ask about the every other day option right from the start. That is, if they even suggest steroids. A lot of children with JRA are able to have the symptoms controlled well enough without neeeding steroid treatment. It all depends on the individual. Well, I'm so glad that you found our mailing list. I hope it will help a little to see you through this difficult time. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to mention them. Most of us have been through the same sort of thing you're going through right now and we'll be glad to try to help, okay? Aloha, Georgina > Hi Georgina & Everyone else: > My name is Kat and my JRA child is Jordan. Jordan is 7 years old and > our middle child. He also suffers from ODT - Obsessive Difficult Temperment > and that means he has ODD/ADHD/OCD & a moderately severe anxiety disorder. > So he is on medication for that too. Ok - our JRA situation began just this > January 1st. Jordan woke up and said his legs hurt, we thought he'd injured > himself at a party we'd been to the night before. Come to find out on > Thursday night(1/6) he had JRA - we will not know until the week of Feb. 18th > what kind of JRA he has. We've been through the bone density test, a full > body x-ray's, and his touchpoints have been tapped. Now we are living on > ibuprofin every 6 hours and he is still in much pain - crying out in his > sleeep his discomfort. So as you can see we are only just beginning down > this road. Looking forward to learning from those of you who have been > there/done that before. > ~Kat~ > " The best thing a woman can do for her children is to love their father " > Loving Wife to Dave > Mommy To: > > Jordan > Abigayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2000 Report Share Posted January 9, 2000 > > Most times they introduce methotrexate first, which is a medicine they > also use for chemo ~only arthritis patients get it in a MUCH lower dose, > usually beginning with 7.5mgs a week. Usually it's given in 3 little > yellow pills. One of the parents here once suggested squishing them into > those mini-marshmallows to make it easier for younger kids to take. My > son hated the way his liquid medicines tasted so badly that he started > taking pills easily when he was just 6 years old. MTX can take several > weeks/months to begin working but it often helps a lot. My 3 1/2 year old daughter takes two methotrexate pills once a week. I put a pill in her mouth and give her a glass of water. She takes a drink and swallows the pill. Then I give her the second pill; same thing. I'm so proud of her. I still have problems swallowing pills and I'm 28 years old. And here is my 3 year old having no problem swallowing her pills. ~Amy mother to (JRA) 3 1/2 years old mother to 2 years old mother to Madeline 7 1/2 months old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2000 Report Share Posted January 9, 2000 Hello, I don't give Tally soda ever so for him, that carbonated, sugarly liquid is the best thing since his birthday. To get him to take pills at a young age... I had to bribe him. I told him that the only way I would give some pepsi, is for him to take his medicine. Now, of course, it doesn't take pepsi but just some water. Getting him to take a liquid medicine is like pulling teeth. The hospital only had the benedryl in liquid and it took a nurse, me, and my mom to open his mouth and get it down him. Not a nice scene at all. kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2000 Report Share Posted January 9, 2000 wow, i feel pretty lucky after reading that alot of the kids wont take liquid meds. tristan has had his JRA since aug. 98 and is still taking the liquid methotrexate...without a fight. now the liquid prednisone and zantac are another story! so i got them in pill form and those along with his other medicines are crushed into his motrin. cheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 Hello Heidi, It sounds as if that type of announcement would be perfectly appropriate here. That was very thoughtful of you, to ask first. Now I'm curious Please do, post about your activity/support group. I'm not sure how many people here are located in or near CA, though. I'd suggest, also, that you sign on to the alt.support.arthritis newsgroup and post a message there too. Take care, Georgina Heiki1@... wrote: > > I am in the process of creating an activity/support group for children with > JA in So CA. Would you allow me to post an announcement on this list to > solicit individuals who are interested in participating in this program? > Thanking you in advance for your consideration. > > Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 Hi all, I just joined your little community and thought I would introduce myself. Although I don't have a child with JRA, I myself have been living with it for 22 years, I helped to found the first summer camp in Oklahoma for kids with JRA as well as having spoken at the AJAO conference on Joint replacement. I have also been on numerous committees throughout the years. One of the ways I have always dealt with my flare ups is to move the focus away from myself whenever things got bad I looked for things I could do to help other people going though the same pain. Well things are pretty bad again so here I am (c: Here is a little bio about me.. Diagnosed at age 12 <puberty.. JRA usually hits with hormonal changes> Surgeries.. mandibular reconstruction, hip replacements 5 times, shoulder replacement <so far, 6 more surgeries scheduled for this year> Happily married to a commercial pilot/ System analyst 3 wonderfully healthy kidlets <Wyatt's birth 2 years ago triggered the latest flare> Was a licensed realtor until this flare, now a stay at home/ home schooling mom. I'd be more than happy to help or answer any questions that I can! Hugs and Gods blessing, Debbie The Schuh Family Dan, Debbie, Dottie, Kody and Wyatt http://members.tripod.com/BudgetScrapbooking/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 Debbie, Welcome! I'm also a mother of three kids (all born in 34 months). =) My oldest was diagnosed in Dec. 98 with Pauci. Now she has progressed to poly-jra. I'm so glad to hear you have children. I often wonder what is in store for her in her adult life (kids, jobs and so on...) with her arthritis. Anyway, it is encouraging to see that you have done all the " normal " things adults do. =) God bless you, Amy Mother to 3 1/2 years old (poly-jra) Mother to Andy 2 years old Mother to Maddie 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 Welcome Debbie I am also another one on the list that has JRA since that age of 8, I am now 25. I am also trying to get stuff started in my state for kids with juvenile arthritis. But I just won't stop there. My plain is that all states have something for kids with arhtritis along with awareness of juvenile arthritis. I have my right hip replaced and also both of my knee's. Just currently started Enbrel this week with two shots done so far. I would like it if you would go and look at my jra website and tell me what you think. Or if you have any good idea's. Well I must be going for now. Take Care. JRA World http://www.geocities.com/jraworld RE: Welcome to > From: " The Schuh Family " <dschuh@...> > > Hi all, > I just joined your little community and thought I would introduce myself. > Although I don't have a child with JRA, I myself have been living with it > for 22 years, I helped to found the first summer camp in Oklahoma for kids > with JRA as well as having spoken at the AJAO conference on Joint > replacement. I have also been on numerous committees throughout the years. > One of the ways I have always dealt with my flare ups is to move the focus > away from myself whenever things got bad I looked for things I could do to > help other people going though the same pain. Well things are pretty bad > again so here I am (c: > Here is a little bio about me.. > Diagnosed at age 12 <puberty.. JRA usually hits with hormonal changes> > Surgeries.. mandibular reconstruction, hip replacements 5 times, shoulder > replacement <so far, 6 more surgeries scheduled for this year> > Happily married to a commercial pilot/ System analyst > 3 wonderfully healthy kidlets <Wyatt's birth 2 years ago triggered the > latest flare> > Was a licensed realtor until this flare, now a stay at home/ home schooling > mom. > I'd be more than happy to help or answer any questions that I can! > Hugs and Gods blessing, > Debbie > The Schuh Family > Dan, Debbie, Dottie, Kody and Wyatt > http://members.tripod.com/BudgetScrapbooking/ > > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2000 Report Share Posted February 19, 2000 In a message dated 1/28/00 9:48:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, dschuh@... writes: << I helped to found the first summer camp in Oklahoma for kids with JRA >> We live in OKC. Where is the camp located? Judy - OKC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2000 Report Share Posted February 25, 2000 Hi ! It's nice to have you join us on the list I've missed you, too! How are you doing these days? Are you still having good results from taking Enrel? Are you still able to be off of steroids? Hope you haven't had any problems with your hips. Let us know, okay? That sounds so exciting, learning to be a helicopter pilot. I hope you're happy and excited about the upcoming move. How far is Alabama from where you live now? Too bad it happens around the same time as the Still's Conference, though. That would be nice to attend. I'd love being able to the people from the Still's list Aloha, Georgina Hi Georgina I thought I would join your list! How is Josh doing? How are you doing? I miss you on the still's list. My husband is going to be flying helicopters now. We will be moving to Alabama. He will go in April and I dont think I can move down there until after he graduates from the officer school which is in June. I will probably miss the Still's conference because I will be in the middle of moving. Take care and I'll talk to you soon. Jay timberwolf@... Timber Ridge Farms Check out the StillsNet Weekly Research and News /subscribe/StillsNet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2000 Report Share Posted June 16, 2000 Hi , We just now came in from a long day at the beach, so I don't have too much time to spend online before getting dinner cooked for these two hungry little children of mine I did want to say hello though and let you know that I just forwarded your letter to the group. That way, others can see it as well and I'm sure you'll get a few messages in response. My son Josh has the systemic type of JRA, a somewhat severe case that hasn't remitted in the 5 years since he's had it. He takes quite a few meds, as does your daughter, and fortunately ... right now it seems to be controlling his arthritis really well. I would love it if one of these days he could get off a few of the meds, namely prednisone. Only time will tell. Still, I'm very grateful for those times, like now, when he is doing well. Anyway, I better say goodbye for now. You'll probably have other emails coming through fairly soon. It hasn't been super busy these days, as many of the children are out of school for summer break and keeping us parents more busy than usual I'll 'talk' to you again, soon, Aloha, Georgina G wrote: > > Hello and thank you for the wellcome letter. I was put in touch with this > group for support and conversation re: JRA. My daughter was diagnosed > in April of 1997 she was 18 months old at that time, she will be five in > Oct. We (my husband and I) don't really know a whole lot about JRA, only > what information we have been able to gather from > various doctors--we are very new to using the internet and are so > suprised!!! It has been a very frustrating time with and the > JRA, she went into a " remission " Jan. of 1999 and had a " flare-up " > in Jan. this year almost to the day. She is currently on a cocktail > of meds including Prednisone, methotrexate, Naprosyn, and folic acid. > We have been advised of a treatment using cortisone injections into > affected joints, it would require to be put under and I am very > scared but hopefull of this treatment. I am interested in the experiences > and results of any others which have also gone through this procedure. Many > thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2002 Report Share Posted September 5, 2002 Hi Georgina, I just found the JRA list today, and I am very glad that I did. We live in Toronto, and our son has just been diagnosed with systemic juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. I'm a librarian, so of course I've been researching the topic like mad, but somehow it's so much more helpful to hear from people who are actually going through the same types of experiences. I had never even heard of systemic JRA before was diagnosed. He had a really high fever for 16 days straight, was admitted to the Hopital for Sick Children for testing, where they noticed his rash. Once his fever subsided, he was discharged with the tentative diagnosis of systemic JRA, and two weeks later, his elbows started to hurt when he put on or took off a shirt. We think his shoulders are hurting him now as well. He takes Indomethicin (sp?) and Zantac (because the Indomethicin was hurting his stomache). His fever was gone for a month but just returned on Sunday, so we're feeling a little down in the dumps. Hopefully, the rheumatologist will be able to adjust his medication to reduce the fever (??) Our appointment is in one week. Anyway, thanks very much for your welcome! Pam Bolan (, 4, Systemic JRA) Moderator wrote: > Hello, > > Welcome to the . I'm glad that you found our list and I want > to extend my warmest greetings. You can sit back and read some of the > messages that will be coming your way shortly, to get a feel for things, > or jump right in whenever you feel ready. You can introduce yourself, > tell us about your child, ask questions, add to the topic of discussion, > or begin an entirely new one. You can choose to write as much or as > little as you feel is appropriate, as often as you'd like. Some days > there are many posts, other days just a few. > > I hope you'll find this mailing list to be informative and enjoyable. > Everyone on the list either has or knows a child with JRA or has grown > up with arthritis, themselves. My own interest in JRA began when my 12 > year old son was diagnosed with Systemic Juvenile Rheumatoid > Arthritis in May, 1995. Before then, I hadn't ever heard of JRA. I > used to think that arthritis was a disease that only affected adults. > I didn't know that kids can and do get arthritis, too. > > The internet has been a very valuable source of information and > support for me. We don't have a local Arthritis Support Group nearby > so I am very grateful to have been able to meet others online whose > children have this illness. Though we may be many miles apart and > facing different stages or severities of illness, we do share a common > bond. Discussing arthritis-related issues with others who may have > already been through some of the very same situations we're facing, > and who can share information and offer advice and support, seems to > make living with JRA a little bit easier. > > I'm always looking around for articles that may be of interest to us. > News about arthritis research, medicines, treatments, etc. As a JRA > List member, you have access to an incredibly informative archives of > messages on topics that have previously been discussed here. Just sign > in and visit /messages , type in > a key word, and click on the Search Archive button. Press Next after > each screen to search through remaining messages. > > There are several different mail-delivery preference settings that you > can choose from: individual emails, a daily digest, or you can choose > to get no mail and to read group postings directly from the site. > You can change these preferences at any time. > > In this group, we hope to be able to share what we have learned > and to continue learning. I hope that you will find being a list > member to be a positive and enriching experience and I hope our group > will become an important source of information and support for you. > > Welcome! > > Georgina > List Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Hello Pam Bolan, mom to . my name is and I am a vet of jra now for 35 years. (currently 47) I am polyarticular/ankylosing spondylitis, yeah what a mouth full. Being a librarian with a vast wealth of knowledge and information at your finger tips heps, but the added touch of shared experience is unreplaceable. As you get to know the many people on this group, you'll find more than information and knowledge, you'll find friendship, compassion, understanding and Bushels of 'Support'. And as you continue on with these fine folks, you begin to feel like they are, 'All family' as I feel since my enception into the group, one year ago in June! If you've got a bad day, and it seems as though you just want to screem! Well we all have a shoulder read and waiting for that screem, so just let it out! OH yeah, I'm also known to the groups as, 'Uncle Rusty Limbs' Prayers for your family and 'Especially' your little one, . aka Rusty Limbs hey gang! hope all are doing well and having a pain free day! Uncle Rusty Limbs On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:44:56 -0400 Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> writes: Hi Georgina,I just found the JRA list today, and I am very glad that I did. We live inToronto, and our son has just been diagnosed with systemic juvenilerheumatoid arthritis. I'm a librarian, so of course I've been researchingthe topic like mad, but somehow it's so much more helpful to hear from peoplewho are actually going through the same types of experiences. I had nevereven heard of systemic JRA before was diagnosed. He had a reallyhigh fever for 16 days straight, was admitted to the Hopital for SickChildren for testing, where they noticed his rash. Once his fever subsided,he was discharged with the tentative diagnosis of systemic JRA, and two weekslater, his elbows started to hurt when he put on or took off a shirt. Wethink his shoulders are hurting him now as well. He takes Indomethicin(sp?) and Zantac (because the Indomethicin was hurting his stomache). Hisfever was gone for a month but just returned on Sunday, so we're feeling alittle down in the dumps. Hopefully, the rheumatologist will be able toadjust his medication to reduce the fever (??) Our appointment is in oneweek.Anyway, thanks very much for your welcome!Pam Bolan (, 4, Systemic JRA) Moderator wrote:> Hello,>> Welcome to the . I'm glad that you found our list and I want> to extend my warmest greetings. You can sit back and read some of the> messages that will be coming your way shortly, to get a feel for things,> or jump right in whenever you feel ready. You can introduce yourself,> tell us about your child, ask questions, add to the topic of discussion,> or begin an entirely new one. You can choose to write as much or as> little as you feel is appropriate, as often as you'd like. Some days> there are many posts, other days just a few.>> I hope you'll find this mailing list to be informative and enjoyable.> Everyone on the list either has or knows a child with JRA or has grown> up with arthritis, themselves. My own interest in JRA began when my 12> year old son was diagnosed with Systemic Juvenile Rheumatoid> Arthritis in May, 1995. Before then, I hadn't ever heard of JRA. I> used to think that arthritis was a disease that only affected adults.> I didn't know that kids can and do get arthritis, too.>> The internet has been a very valuable source of information and> support for me. We don't have a local Arthritis Support Group nearby> so I am very grateful to have been able to meet others online whose> children have this illness. Though we may be many miles apart and> facing different stages or severities of illness, we do share a common> bond. Discussing arthritis-related issues with others who may have> already been through some of the very same situations we're facing,> and who can share information and offer advice and support, seems to> make living with JRA a little bit easier.>> I'm always looking around for articles that may be of interest to us.> News about arthritis research, medicines, treatments, etc. As a JRA> List member, you have access to an incredibly informative archives of> messages on topics that have previously been discussed here. Just sign> in and visit /messages , type in> a key word, and click on the Search Archive button. Press Next after> each screen to search through remaining messages.>> There are several different mail-delivery preference settings that you> can choose from: individual emails, a daily digest, or you can choose> to get no mail and to read group postings directly from the site.> You can change these preferences at any time.>> In this group, we hope to be able to share what we have learned> and to continue learning. I hope that you will find being a list> member to be a positive and enriching experience and I hope our group> will become an important source of information and support for you.>> Welcome!>> Georgina> List Owner>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Thank you, . I am very glad to be a part of the group. We had a bit of a rough morning today. was supposed to start Junior Kindergarten today, but his fever was just too high, and he said he didn't feel up to it. I know it's only one day, but I just wish this flare-up hadn't occured right when he was supposed to start school! He had been so looking forward to it. His fever is a little lower this afternoon, so I'm hopeful that he might be able to go to school on Monday. We're so new to this that we don't even know how long flare-ups can last! The last one was 16 days. Is that typical? Pam ('s mum, 4, Systemic JRA) A Morse wrote: Hello Pam Bolan, mom to . my name is and I am a vet of jra now for 35 years.(currently 47)I am polyarticular/ankylosing spondylitis, yeah what a mouth full.Being a librarian with a vast wealth of knowledge and information at your finger tips heps, but the added touch of shared experience is unreplaceable.As you get to know the many people on this group, you'll find more than information and knowledge, you'll find friendship, compassion, understanding and Bushels of 'Support'.And as you continue on with these fine folks, you begin to feel like they are, 'All family' as I feel since my enception into the group, one year ago in June!If you've got a bad day, and it seems as though you just want to screem!Well we all have a shoulder read and waiting for that screem, so just let it out!OH yeah, I'm also known to the groups as,'Uncle Rusty Limbs'Prayers for your family and 'Especially' your little one, . aka Rusty Limbshey gang! hope all are doing well and having a pain free day!Uncle Rusty Limbs On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:44:56 -0400 Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> writes: Hi Georgina, I just found the JRA list today, and I am very glad that I did. We live in Toronto, and our son has just been diagnosed with systemic juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. I'm a librarian, so of course I've been researching the topic like mad, but somehow it's so much more helpful to hear from people who are actually going through the same types of experiences. I had never even heard of systemic JRA before was diagnosed. He had a really high fever for 16 days straight, was admitted to the Hopital for Sick Children for testing, where they noticed his rash. Once his fever subsided, he was discharged with the tentative diagnosis of systemic JRA, and two weeks later, his elbows started to hurt when he put on or took off a shirt. We think his shoulders are hurting him now as well. He takes Indomethicin (sp?) and Zantac (because the Indomethicin was hurting his stomache). His fever was gone for a month but just returned on Sunday, so we're feeling a little down in the dumps. Hopefully, the rheumatologist will be able to adjust his medication to reduce the fever (??) Our appointment is in one week. Anyway, thanks very much for your welcome! Pam Bolan (, 4, Systemic JRA) Moderator wrote: > Hello, > > Welcome to the . I'm glad that you found our list and I want > to extend my warmest greetings. You can sit back and read some of the > messages that will be coming your way shortly, to get a feel for things, > or jump right in whenever you feel ready. You can introduce yourself, > tell us about your child, ask questions, add to the topic of discussion, > or begin an entirely new one. You can choose to write as much or as > little as you feel is appropriate, as often as you'd like. Some days > there are many posts, other days just a few. > > I hope you'll find this mailing list to be informative and enjoyable. > Everyone on the list either has or knows a child with JRA or has grown > up with arthritis, themselves. My own interest in JRA began when my 12 > year old son was diagnosed with Systemic Juvenile Rheumatoid > Arthritis in May, 1995. Before then, I hadn't ever heard of JRA. I > used to think that arthritis was a disease that only affected adults. > I didn't know that kids can and do get arthritis, too. > > The internet has been a very valuable source of information and > support for me. We don't have a local Arthritis Support Group nearby > so I am very grateful to have been able to meet others online whose > children have this illness. Though we may be many miles apart and > facing different stages or severities of illness, we do share a common > bond. Discussing arthritis-related issues with others who may have > already been through some of the very same situations we're facing, > and who can share information and offer advice and support, seems to > make living with JRA a little bit easier. > > I'm always looking around for articles that may be of interest to us. > News about arthritis research, medicines, treatments, etc. As a JRA > List member, you have access to an incredibly informative archives of > messages on topics that have previously been discussed here. Just sign > in and visit /messages , type in > a key word, and click on the Search Archive button. Press Next after > each screen to search through remaining messages. > > There are several different mail-delivery preference settings that you > can choose from: individual emails, a daily digest, or you can choose > to get no mail and to read group postings directly from the site. > You can change these preferences at any time. > > In this group, we hope to be able to share what we have learned > and to continue learning. I hope that you will find being a list > member to be a positive and enriching experience and I hope our group > will become an important source of information and support for you. > > Welcome! > > Georgina > List Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Hi Pamela: Welcome. This list is a great source of information - did you join the related list Georgina developed recently to handle just the research information? It's called JRAnewsandviews and carries a lot of very informative information and the latest research studies, etc. I live in Kincardine, Ontario. My daughter Mickey was diagnosed at 3 years old with systemic jra. She is now eight. We too, take her to Toronto Sick Kids. Mickey's ped. rheum. is Dr. Rayfel Schneider. He is great. He really takes all the time needed to ask and answer questions, explain treatment choices and options. He talks TO Mickey - asks her how she's feeling, where the trouble spots are, etc, and explains things to her, too. It makes a big difference to have a doctor that treats the child like they matter, like what they say and think is important. Mickey's fevers used to run for weeks at a time... though with the medications she's on, it has been a long time since the fevers were a problem. The first year or two were really rough, though, before they found the right combination of drugs that worked for her. She is on Prednisone, indomethacin, zantac (used to be cytotec, but it is apparently in very short supply right now) and a sub-q methotrexate injection once per week. Because she is on the methotrexate, she takes folic acid every day, also. As I am sure you will hear from many on this list, it was the methotrexate that seemed to turn the tide for Mickey. Before that she was on very high doses of prednisone, and while it helped control the fevers, etc, it was a worry that she had to be on such a high dose (she was 3, only weighed 25 lbs, and was getting 20mg pred/day). This first while will be the hardest on your family and . While the doctors at Sick Kids are all excellent, and I think use the most up-to-date treatment regimens - i.e. very aggressive early treatment - it does take a while, and some trial and error to find what will work best for each child. Emotionally, it is very hard at first - well, still is in many ways. It often seems like the flares occur at the worst times, making the kids miss things they had really anticipated. Mickey's biggest wish is to be a " regular kid " - one who can go on school outings and not miss special classroom parties or events because she has to go to Toronto for appointments. They always seem to occur on the days she has to be away. Anyway, once again, this list is a great support... lots of information and lots of useful experiences shared from other parents who have " been there, done that - felt that " . It's an emotional roller coaster for a while, as you search for answers and try to understand why this happened to your child... there are no easy or good answers, unfortunately. No really good " why " answers, anyway, but in many ways, the treatment options at this point in time are many and varied, and generally, most kids can gain a very good quality of life with a bit of time and the proper mix of meds for them. I hope the process of that works quickly for you and . Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:44:56 -0400 JRA Listserve < > Subject: Re: Welcome to Hi Georgina, I just found the JRA list today, and I am very glad that I did. We live in Toronto, and our son has just been diagnosed with systemic juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. I'm a librarian, so of course I've been researching the topic like mad, but somehow it's so much more helpful to hear from people who are actually going through the same types of experiences. I had never even heard of systemic JRA before was diagnosed. He had a really high fever for 16 days straight, was admitted to the Hopital for Sick Children for testing, where they noticed his rash. Once his fever subsided, he was discharged with the tentative diagnosis of systemic JRA, and two weeks later, his elbows started to hurt when he put on or took off a shirt. We think his shoulders are hurting him now as well. He takes Indomethicin (sp?) and Zantac (because the Indomethicin was hurting his stomache). His fever was gone for a month but just returned on Sunday, so we're feeling a little down in the dumps. Hopefully, the rheumatologist will be able to adjust his medication to reduce the fever (??) Our appointment is in one week. Anyway, thanks very much for your welcome! Pam Bolan (, 4, Systemic JRA) Moderator wrote: > Hello, > > Welcome to the . I'm glad that you found our list and I want > to extend my warmest greetings. You can sit back and read some of the > messages that will be coming your way shortly, to get a feel for things, > or jump right in whenever you feel ready. You can introduce yourself, > tell us about your child, ask questions, add to the topic of discussion, > or begin an entirely new one. You can choose to write as much or as > little as you feel is appropriate, as often as you'd like. Some days > there are many posts, other days just a few. > > I hope you'll find this mailing list to be informative and enjoyable. > Everyone on the list either has or knows a child with JRA or has grown > up with arthritis, themselves. My own interest in JRA began when my 12 > year old son was diagnosed with Systemic Juvenile Rheumatoid > Arthritis in May, 1995. Before then, I hadn't ever heard of JRA. I > used to think that arthritis was a disease that only affected adults. > I didn't know that kids can and do get arthritis, too. > > The internet has been a very valuable source of information and > support for me. We don't have a local Arthritis Support Group nearby > so I am very grateful to have been able to meet others online whose > children have this illness. Though we may be many miles apart and > facing different stages or severities of illness, we do share a common > bond. Discussing arthritis-related issues with others who may have > already been through some of the very same situations we're facing, > and who can share information and offer advice and support, seems to > make living with JRA a little bit easier. > > I'm always looking around for articles that may be of interest to us. > News about arthritis research, medicines, treatments, etc. As a JRA > List member, you have access to an incredibly informative archives of > messages on topics that have previously been discussed here. Just sign > in and visit /messages , type in > a key word, and click on the Search Archive button. Press Next after > each screen to search through remaining messages. > > There are several different mail-delivery preference settings that you > can choose from: individual emails, a daily digest, or you can choose > to get no mail and to read group postings directly from the site. > You can change these preferences at any time. > > In this group, we hope to be able to share what we have learned > and to continue learning. I hope that you will find being a list > member to be a positive and enriching experience and I hope our group > will become an important source of information and support for you. > > Welcome! > > Georgina > List Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2002 Report Share Posted September 6, 2002 Hi Lynn, Thanks so much for your words of encouragement. We originally saw Dr. Boras at HSC while was admitted. She is the one who made the diagnosis, saying his rash was 'textbook'. Very nice woman -- she had laughing his head off even when he was so sick. Now we see Dr. Silverman, who is also very nice. He seems very thorough, and we can ask as many questions as we like. It's so comforting to hear you say that this first stage of 'finding the right meds' is the hardest, and that once the right combination is found, things can be much more manageable. We see Dr. Silverman next week, so hopefully we can begin the process of finding the right mix at that time. It's also great that the fevers have not been a problem for some time for your daughter. Does Mickey have much joint pain? 's elbows hurt when he puts on or takes off a t-shirt, and we think he has some shoulder pain too. We're not really sure what to expect in terms of how bad the pain will get for . Is there a wide range for kids with systemic JRA? Thanks again for your note. It's nice to meet someone else whose child is being seen at Sick Kids. Pam ('s mum, 4, Systemic) Lynn Young wrote: Hi Pamela: Welcome. This list is a great source of information - did you join the related list Georgina developed recently to handle just the research information? It's called JRAnewsandviews and carries a lot of very informative information and the latest research studies, etc. I live in Kincardine, Ontario. My daughter Mickey was diagnosed at 3 years old with systemic jra. She is now eight. We too, take her to Toronto Sick Kids. Mickey's ped. rheum. is Dr. Rayfel Schneider. He is great. He really takes all the time needed to ask and answer questions, explain treatment choices and options. He talks TO Mickey - asks her how she's feeling, where the trouble spots are, etc, and explains things to her, too. It makes a big difference to have a doctor that treats the child like they matter, like what they say and think is important. Mickey's fevers used to run for weeks at a time... though with the medications she's on, it has been a long time since the fevers were a problem. The first year or two were really rough, though, before they found the right combination of drugs that worked for her. She is on Prednisone, indomethacin, zantac (used to be cytotec, but it is apparently in very short supply right now) and a sub-q methotrexate injection once per week. Because she is on the methotrexate, she takes folic acid every day, also. As I am sure you will hear from many on this list, it was the methotrexate that seemed to turn the tide for Mickey. Before that she was on very high doses of prednisone, and while it helped control the fevers, etc, it was a worry that she had to be on such a high dose (she was 3, only weighed 25 lbs, and was getting 20mg pred/day). This first while will be the hardest on your family and . While the doctors at Sick Kids are all excellent, and I think use the most up-to-date treatment regimens - i.e. very aggressive early treatment - it does take a while, and some trial and error to find what will work best for each child. Emotionally, it is very hard at first - well, still is in many ways. It often seems like the flares occur at the worst times, making the kids miss things they had really anticipated. Mickey's biggest wish is to be a "regular kid" - one who can go on school outings and not miss special classroom parties or events because she has to go to Toronto for appointments. They always seem to occur on the days she has to be away. Anyway, once again, this list is a great support... lots of information and lots of useful experiences shared from other parents who have "been there, done that - felt that". It's an emotional roller coaster for a while, as you search for answers and try to understand why this happened to your child... there are no easy or good answers, unfortunately. No really good "why" answers, anyway, but in many ways, the treatment options at this point in time are many and varied, and generally, most kids can gain a very good quality of life with a bit of time and the proper mix of meds for them. I hope the process of that works quickly for you and . Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:44:56 -0400 JRA Listserve < > Subject: Re: Welcome to Hi Georgina, I just found the JRA list today, and I am very glad that I did. We live in Toronto, and our son has just been diagnosed with systemic juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. I'm a librarian, so of course I've been researching the topic like mad, but somehow it's so much more helpful to hear from people who are actually going through the same types of experiences. I had never even heard of systemic JRA before was diagnosed. He had a really high fever for 16 days straight, was admitted to the Hopital for Sick Children for testing, where they noticed his rash. Once his fever subsided, he was discharged with the tentative diagnosis of systemic JRA, and two weeks later, his elbows started to hurt when he put on or took off a shirt. We think his shoulders are hurting him now as well. He takes Indomethicin (sp?) and Zantac (because the Indomethicin was hurting his stomache). His fever was gone for a month but just returned on Sunday, so we're feeling a little down in the dumps. Hopefully, the rheumatologist will be able to adjust his medication to reduce the fever (??) Our appointment is in one week. Anyway, thanks very much for your welcome! Pam Bolan (, 4, Systemic JRA) Moderator wrote: > Hello, > > Welcome to the . I'm glad that you found our list and I want > to extend my warmest greetings. You can sit back and read some of the > messages that will be coming your way shortly, to get a feel for things, > or jump right in whenever you feel ready. You can introduce yourself, > tell us about your child, ask questions, add to the topic of discussion, > or begin an entirely new one. You can choose to write as much or as > little as you feel is appropriate, as often as you'd like. Some days > there are many posts, other days just a few. > > I hope you'll find this mailing list to be informative and enjoyable. > Everyone on the list either has or knows a child with JRA or has grown > up with arthritis, themselves. My own interest in JRA began when my 12 > year old son was diagnosed with Systemic Juvenile Rheumatoid > Arthritis in May, 1995. Before then, I hadn't ever heard of JRA. I > used to think that arthritis was a disease that only affected adults. > I didn't know that kids can and do get arthritis, too. > > The internet has been a very valuable source of information and > support for me. We don't have a local Arthritis Support Group nearby > so I am very grateful to have been able to meet others online whose > children have this illness. Though we may be many miles apart and > facing different stages or severities of illness, we do share a common > bond. Discussing arthritis-related issues with others who may have > already been through some of the very same situations we're facing, > and who can share information and offer advice and support, seems to > make living with JRA a little bit easier. > > I'm always looking around for articles that may be of interest to us. > News about arthritis research, medicines, treatments, etc. As a JRA > List member, you have access to an incredibly informative archives of > messages on topics that have previously been discussed here. Just sign > in and visit /messages , type in > a key word, and click on the Search Archive button. Press Next after > each screen to search through remaining messages. > > There are several different mail-delivery preference settings that you > can choose from: individual emails, a daily digest, or you can choose > to get no mail and to read group postings directly from the site. > You can change these preferences at any time. > > In this group, we hope to be able to share what we have learned > and to continue learning. I hope that you will find being a list > member to be a positive and enriching experience and I hope our group > will become an important source of information and support for you. > > Welcome! > > Georgina > List Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Hi Pamela: Mickey's symptoms are generally very well managed. In the first few years, she had a lot of morning stiffness, difficulty that would gradually ease as the day went on, somedays disappearing completely by lunch time, other days, just lessening slightly. We ended up getting a soft-sided hot tub, and would start each day doing her stretching physiotherapy exercises in it together, and that would help quite a lot. Her right hip and wrist, and left knee have always been her worst trouble spots. In the first few years, her ankles were both a problem much of the time also. For a long while, both ankles, knees, hips, wrists and elbows were all involved, in varying degrees. Sometimes also her shoulders and neck. There were a lot of days that she couldn't get herself dressed (which really upset her as she had been very independent from an early age - I haven't had a say in what she wore since she was 2!), couldn't pull shirts on over her head, get her arms up or through the sleeves. Wow, haven't thought of those days in along time... But it has all gradually improved over time, with her ankles rarely becoming a problem anymore, as I said, mainly her knees, hips and wrists. The pain becomes a recurring problem in a predictable way because of our constant attempts to get her off the prednisone. Which did happen, for about a month, last summer. You'll find most parents here have a love/hate relationship with prednisone. You love the results it gets for your child - it is so amazing how your baby can go from not even walking one day, to running around like there were no problems at all, the next. But the long term side effects are a constant worry, so whenever a child is on Prednisone, the goal is to constantly taper them off of it. A gradual reduction, over a long period of time, is generally the way they do it. And each child seems to have a threshold dose that they have a great deal of difficulty getting beyond without a huge flareup in symptoms. Mickey usually has no problem getting to 3mg/day (she is 8 now and weighs about 44lbs) - after that we have had varying success with reductions. Your question was about pain in particular joints. In my long-winded way, I guess what I'm saying is that once the right mix of meds is found, usually the child gets very little specific joint pain... but as all the meds have potentially toxic long-term side effects, the goal is to gradually reduce the meds to the point where you find a balance between the child's physical comfort - a bit of stiffness being somewhat an acceptable trade-off for less worry about long term side effects of drugs. When you reduce past that threshold, then the flares happen and lots of joint swelling, fevers, rashes, general malaise. I don't know how big is, but one issue with Mickey has always been weight. I think others may envy this to a degree because for some kids the larger doses of pred have meant huge weight gains in their children. Which can be very emotionally upsetting, for sure. But except when Mickey was up at 20mg/day, she has always had the opposite problem - it is hard for her to put on weight (WOW, how I wish I could say the same!!!!). The dieticians at Sick Kids have me write down everything she eats for a week once every few months, and they analyse it for calories and quality of content... especially calcium. She never gets enough calories so we have her drink one or two cans of Ensure each day. One of the studies Georgina posted ages ago was one in which the doctors found that people with systemic arthritis need 33% more calories a day than the general population, and even kids with the other two main subtypes of arthritis. I think they believe it is related to the fevers - though Mickey isn't generally bothered by the fevers much anymore, until we get near that threshold dose of pred. Anyway, I've gone on way too long.... Better go check on what the munchkins are doing while I type madly away!!! Good luck, Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to Hi Lynn, Thanks so much for your words of encouragement. We originally saw Dr. Boras at HSC while was admitted. She is the one who made the diagnosis, saying his rash was 'textbook'. Very nice woman -- she had laughing his head off even when he was so sick. Now we see Dr. Silverman, who is also very nice. He seems very thorough, and we can ask as many questions as we like. It's so comforting to hear you say that this first stage of 'finding the right meds' is the hardest, and that once the right combination is found, things can be much more manageable. We see Dr. Silverman next week, so hopefully we can begin the process of finding the right mix at that time. It's also great that the fevers have not been a problem for some time for your daughter. Does Mickey have much joint pain? 's elbows hurt when he puts on or takes off a t-shirt, and we think he has some shoulder pain too. We're not really sure what to expect in terms of how bad the pain will get for . Is there a wide range for kids with systemic JRA? Thanks again for your note. It's nice to meet someone else whose child is being seen at Sick Kids. Pam ('s mum, 4, Systemic) Lynn Young wrote: Hi Pamela: Welcome. This list is a great source of information - did you join the related list Georgina developed recently to handle just the research information? It's called JRAnewsandviews and carries a lot of very informative information and the latest research studies, etc. I live in Kincardine, Ontario. My daughter Mickey was diagnosed at 3 years old with systemic jra. She is now eight. We too, take her to Toronto Sick Kids. Mickey's ped. rheum. is Dr. Rayfel Schneider. He is great. He really takes all the time needed to ask and answer questions, explain treatment choices and options. He talks TO Mickey - asks her how she's feeling, where the trouble spots are, etc, and explains things to her, too. It makes a big difference to have a doctor that treats the child like they matter, like what they say and think is important. Mickey's fevers used to run for weeks at a time... though with the medications she's on, it has been a long time since the fevers were a problem. The first year or two were really rough, though, before they found the right combination of drugs that worked for her. She is on Prednisone, indomethacin, zantac (used to be cytotec, but it is apparently in very short supply right now) and a sub-q methotrexate injection once per week. Because she is on the methotrexate, she takes folic acid every day, also. As I am sure you will hear from many on this list, it was the methotrexate that seemed to turn the tide for Mickey. Before that she was on very high doses of prednisone, and while it helped control the fevers, etc, it was a worry that she had to be on such a high dose (she was 3, only weighed 25 lbs, and was getting 20mg pred/day). This first while will be the hardest on your family and . While the doctors at Sick Kids are all excellent, and I think use the most up-to-date treatment regimens - i.e. very aggressive early treatment - it does take a while, and some trial and error to find what will work best for each child. Emotionally, it is very hard at first - well, still is in many ways. It often seems like the flares occur at the worst times, making the kids miss things they had really anticipated. Mickey's biggest wish is to be a " regular kid " - one who can go on school outings and not miss special classroom parties or events because she has to go to Toronto for appointments. They always seem to occur on the days she has to be away. Anyway, once again, this list is a great support... lots of information and lots of useful experiences shared from other parents who have " been there, done that - felt that " . It's an emotional roller coaster for a while, as you search for answers and try to understand why this happened to your child... there are no easy or good answers, unfortunately. No really good " why " answers, anyway, but in many ways, the treatment options at this point in time are many and varied, and generally, most kids can gain a very good quality of life with a bit of time and the proper mix of meds for them. I hope the process of that works quickly for you and . Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:44:56 -0400 JRA Listserve < > Subject: Re: Welcome to Hi Georgina, I just found the JRA list today, and I am very glad that I did. We live in Toronto, and our son has just been diagnosed with systemic juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. I'm a librarian, so of course I've been researching the topic like mad, but somehow it's so much more helpful to hear from people who are actually going through the same types of experiences. I had never even heard of systemic JRA before was diagnosed. He had a really high fever for 16 days straight, was admitted to the Hopital for Sick Children for testing, where they noticed his rash. Once his fever subsided, he was discharged with the tentative diagnosis of systemic JRA, and two weeks later, his elbows started to hurt when he put on or took off a shirt. We think his shoulders are hurting him now as well. He takes Indomethicin (sp?) and Zantac (because the Indomethicin was hurting his stomache). His fever was gone for a month but just returned on Sunday, so we're feeling a little down in the dumps. Hopefully, the rheumatologist will be able to adjust his medication to reduce the fever (??) Our appointment is in one week. Anyway, thanks very much for your welcome! Pam Bolan (, 4, Systemic JRA) Moderator wrote: > Hello, > > Welcome to the . I'm glad that you found our list and I want > to extend my warmest greetings. You can sit back and read some of the > messages that will be coming your way shortly, to get a feel for things, > or jump right in whenever you feel ready. You can introduce yourself, > tell us about your child, ask questions, add to the topic of discussion, > or begin an entirely new one. You can choose to write as much or as > little as you feel is appropriate, as often as you'd like. Some days > there are many posts, other days just a few. > > I hope you'll find this mailing list to be informative and enjoyable. > Everyone on the list either has or knows a child with JRA or has grown > up with arthritis, themselves. My own interest in JRA began when my 12 > year old son was diagnosed with Systemic Juvenile Rheumatoid > Arthritis in May, 1995. Before then, I hadn't ever heard of JRA. I > used to think that arthritis was a disease that only affected adults. > I didn't know that kids can and do get arthritis, too. > > The internet has been a very valuable source of information and > support for me. We don't have a local Arthritis Support Group nearby > so I am very grateful to have been able to meet others online whose > children have this illness. Though we may be many miles apart and > facing different stages or severities of illness, we do share a common > bond. Discussing arthritis-related issues with others who may have > already been through some of the very same situations we're facing, > and who can share information and offer advice and support, seems to > make living with JRA a little bit easier. > > I'm always looking around for articles that may be of interest to us. > News about arthritis research, medicines, treatments, etc. As a JRA > List member, you have access to an incredibly informative archives of > messages on topics that have previously been discussed here. Just sign > in and visit /messages , type in > a key word, and click on the Search Archive button. Press Next after > each screen to search through remaining messages. > > There are several different mail-delivery preference settings that you > can choose from: individual emails, a daily digest, or you can choose > to get no mail and to read group postings directly from the site. > You can change these preferences at any time. > > In this group, we hope to be able to share what we have learned > and to continue learning. I hope that you will find being a list > member to be a positive and enriching experience and I hope our group > will become an important source of information and support for you. > > Welcome! > > Georgina > List Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Thanks so much, Lynn! This is all such excellent information. too is a very slim child. More so since the JRA has occured, since the fevers make his appetite virtually disappear! is on indomethacin right now. We have not yet had any experience with prednisone. I know indomethacin is an antiinflammatory; what type of drug is prednisone? I should definitely look into the Ensure supplement -- perhaps for both my skinny little sons! Is it high in calories as well as nutrients? Pam. Lynn Young wrote: Hi Pamela: Mickey's symptoms are generally very well managed. In the first few years, she had a lot of morning stiffness, difficulty that would gradually ease as the day went on, somedays disappearing completely by lunch time, other days, just lessening slightly. We ended up getting a soft-sided hot tub, and would start each day doing her stretching physiotherapy exercises in it together, and that would help quite a lot. Her right hip and wrist, and left knee have always been her worst trouble spots. In the first few years, her ankles were both a problem much of the time also. For a long while, both ankles, knees, hips, wrists and elbows were all involved, in varying degrees. Sometimes also her shoulders and neck. There were a lot of days that she couldn't get herself dressed (which really upset her as she had been very independent from an early age - I haven't had a say in what she wore since she was 2!), couldn't pull shirts on over her head, get her arms up or through the sleeves. Wow, haven't thought of those days in along time... But it has all gradually improved over time, with her ankles rarely becoming a problem anymore, as I said, mainly her knees, hips and wrists. The pain becomes a recurring problem in a predictable way because of our constant attempts to get her off the prednisone. Which did happen, for about a month, last summer. You'll find most parents here have a love/hate relationship with prednisone. You love the results it gets for your child - it is so amazing how your baby can go from not even walking one day, to running around like there were no problems at all, the next. But the long term side effects are a constant worry, so whenever a child is on Prednisone, the goal is to constantly taper them off of it. A gradual reduction, over a long period of time, is generally the way they do it. And each child seems to have a threshold dose that they have a great deal of difficulty getting beyond without a huge flareup in symptoms. Mickey usually has no problem getting to 3mg/day (she is 8 now and weighs about 44lbs) - after that we have had varying success with reductions. Your question was about pain in particular joints. In my long-winded way, I guess what I'm saying is that once the right mix of meds is found, usually the child gets very little specific joint pain... but as all the meds have potentially toxic long-term side effects, the goal is to gradually reduce the meds to the point where you find a balance between the child's physical comfort - a bit of stiffness being somewhat an acceptable trade-off for less worry about long term side effects of drugs. When you reduce past that threshold, then the flares happen and lots of joint swelling, fevers, rashes, general malaise. I don't know how big is, but one issue with Mickey has always been weight. I think others may envy this to a degree because for some kids the larger doses of pred have meant huge weight gains in their children. Which can be very emotionally upsetting, for sure. But except when Mickey was up at 20mg/day, she has always had the opposite problem - it is hard for her to put on weight (WOW, how I wish I could say the same!!!!). The dieticians at Sick Kids have me write down everything she eats for a week once every few months, and they analyse it for calories and quality of content... especially calcium. She never gets enough calories so we have her drink one or two cans of Ensure each day. One of the studies Georgina posted ages ago was one in which the doctors found that people with systemic arthritis need 33% more calories a day than the general population, and even kids with the other two main subtypes of arthritis. I think they believe it is related to the fevers - though Mickey isn't generally bothered by the fevers much anymore, until we get near that threshold dose of pred. Anyway, I've gone on way too long.... Better go check on what the munchkins are doing while I type madly away!!! Good luck, Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to Hi Lynn, Thanks so much for your words of encouragement. We originally saw Dr. Boras at HSC while was admitted. She is the one who made the diagnosis, saying his rash was 'textbook'. Very nice woman -- she had laughing his head off even when he was so sick. Now we see Dr. Silverman, who is also very nice. He seems very thorough, and we can ask as many questions as we like. It's so comforting to hear you say that this first stage of 'finding the right meds' is the hardest, and that once the right combination is found, things can be much more manageable. We see Dr. Silverman next week, so hopefully we can begin the process of finding the right mix at that time. It's also great that the fevers have not been a problem for some time for your daughter. Does Mickey have much joint pain? 's elbows hurt when he puts on or takes off a t-shirt, and we think he has some shoulder pain too. We're not really sure what to expect in terms of how bad the pain will get for . Is there a wide range for kids with systemic JRA? Thanks again for your note. It's nice to meet someone else whose child is being seen at Sick Kids. Pam ('s mum, 4, Systemic) Lynn Young wrote: Hi Pamela: Welcome. This list is a great source of information - did you join the related list Georgina developed recently to handle just the research information? It's called JRAnewsandviews and carries a lot of very informative information and the latest research studies, etc. I live in Kincardine, Ontario. My daughter Mickey was diagnosed at 3 years old with systemic jra. She is now eight. We too, take her to Toronto Sick Kids. Mickey's ped. rheum. is Dr. Rayfel Schneider. He is great. He really takes all the time needed to ask and answer questions, explain treatment choices and options. He talks TO Mickey - asks her how she's feeling, where the trouble spots are, etc, and explains things to her, too. It makes a big difference to have a doctor that treats the child like they matter, like what they say and think is important. Mickey's fevers used to run for weeks at a time... though with the medications she's on, it has been a long time since the fevers were a problem. The first year or two were really rough, though, before they found the right combination of drugs that worked for her. She is on Prednisone, indomethacin, zantac (used to be cytotec, but it is apparently in very short supply right now) and a sub-q methotrexate injection once per week. Because she is on the methotrexate, she takes folic acid every day, also. As I am sure you will hear from many on this list, it was the methotrexate that seemed to turn the tide for Mickey. Before that she was on very high doses of prednisone, and while it helped control the fevers, etc, it was a worry that she had to be on such a high dose (she was 3, only weighed 25 lbs, and was getting 20mg pred/day). This first while will be the hardest on your family and . While the doctors at Sick Kids are all excellent, and I think use the most up-to-date treatment regimens - i.e. very aggressive early treatment - it does take a while, and some trial and error to find what will work best for each child. Emotionally, it is very hard at first - well, still is in many ways. It often seems like the flares occur at the worst times, making the kids miss things they had really anticipated. Mickey's biggest wish is to be a "regular kid" - one who can go on school outings and not miss special classroom parties or events because she has to go to Toronto for appointments. They always seem to occur on the days she has to be away. Anyway, once again, this list is a great support... lots of information and lots of useful experiences shared from other parents who have "been there, done that - felt that". It's an emotional roller coaster for a while, as you search for answers and try to understand why this happened to your child... there are no easy or good answers, unfortunately. No really good "why" answers, anyway, but in many ways, the treatment options at this point in time are many and varied, and generally, most kids can gain a very good quality of life with a bit of time and the proper mix of meds for them. I hope the process of that works quickly for you and . Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:44:56 -0400 JRA Listserve < > Subject: Re: Welcome to Hi Georgina, I just found the JRA list today, and I am very glad that I did. We live in Toronto, and our son has just been diagnosed with systemic juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. I'm a librarian, so of course I've been researching the topic like mad, but somehow it's so much more helpful to hear from people who are actually going through the same types of experiences. I had never even heard of systemic JRA before was diagnosed. He had a really high fever for 16 days straight, was admitted to the Hopital for Sick Children for testing, where they noticed his rash. Once his fever subsided, he was discharged with the tentative diagnosis of systemic JRA, and two weeks later, his elbows started to hurt when he put on or took off a shirt. We think his shoulders are hurting him now as well. He takes Indomethicin (sp?) and Zantac (because the Indomethicin was hurting his stomache). His fever was gone for a month but just returned on Sunday, so we're feeling a little down in the dumps. Hopefully, the rheumatologist will be able to adjust his medication to reduce the fever (??) Our appointment is in one week. Anyway, thanks very much for your welcome! Pam Bolan (, 4, Systemic JRA) Moderator wrote: > Hello, > > Welcome to the . I'm glad that you found our list and I want > to extend my warmest greetings. You can sit back and read some of the > messages that will be coming your way shortly, to get a feel for things, > or jump right in whenever you feel ready. You can introduce yourself, > tell us about your child, ask questions, add to the topic of discussion, > or begin an entirely new one. You can choose to write as much or as > little as you feel is appropriate, as often as you'd like. Some days > there are many posts, other days just a few. > > I hope you'll find this mailing list to be informative and enjoyable. > Everyone on the list either has or knows a child with JRA or has grown > up with arthritis, themselves. My own interest in JRA began when my 12 > year old son was diagnosed with Systemic Juvenile Rheumatoid > Arthritis in May, 1995. Before then, I hadn't ever heard of JRA. I > used to think that arthritis was a disease that only affected adults. > I didn't know that kids can and do get arthritis, too. > > The internet has been a very valuable source of information and > support for me. We don't have a local Arthritis Support Group nearby > so I am very grateful to have been able to meet others online whose > children have this illness. Though we may be many miles apart and > facing different stages or severities of illness, we do share a common > bond. Discussing arthritis-related issues with others who may have > already been through some of the very same situations we're facing, > and who can share information and offer advice and support, seems to > make living with JRA a little bit easier. > > I'm always looking around for articles that may be of interest to us. > News about arthritis research, medicines, treatments, etc. As a JRA > List member, you have access to an incredibly informative archives of > messages on topics that have previously been discussed here. Just sign > in and visit /messages , type in > a key word, and click on the Search Archive button. Press Next after > each screen to search through remaining messages. > > There are several different mail-delivery preference settings that you > can choose from: individual emails, a daily digest, or you can choose > to get no mail and to read group postings directly from the site. > You can change these preferences at any time. > > In this group, we hope to be able to share what we have learned > and to continue learning. I hope that you will find being a list > member to be a positive and enriching experience and I hope our group > will become an important source of information and support for you. > > Welcome! > > Georgina > List Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2002 Report Share Posted September 7, 2002 Hi Pamela: Prednisone is a steroid - corticosteroid, I think is the proper term. It can have a lot of undesirable side effects, hence the ongoing attempts to reduce or eliminate its use. One possible side effects is avascular necrosis - which means (as I understand it) that the steroid destroys or collapses the veins that feed the hip joints (in particular) and can lead to bone destruction in that region. High doses of prednisone can stunt growth severely, increase the risk of juvenile diabetes, and eye cataracts. The less serious side effects include " moon face " (Cushings syndrome) with or without all over weight gain, increased body hair in places it wouldn't normally grow - Mickey has a lot of extra hair across the back of her neck, shoulders and back. Um.... trying to think what else... Anyway... as much as it is a scary drug, especially at higher doses and/or over a long period of time, sometimes it is the only drug that can bring the systemic symptoms under control. Mickey had the high fevers for nearly a year before she was diagnosed and she was severely anemic by then. Like someone else (, a new person?) they thought she might have leukemia at first because of her blood counts, etc. The anemia was a big issue and the prednisone really helped get the high fevers under control. Before we started taking her to Sick Kids, she was under the care of another rheumatologist who didn't really specialize in kids, and his treatments were very conservative and well - inadequate. He was older, (in thought and body!) and seemed to feel that Mickey just needed to learn to deal with the pain!!!!! Needless to say, we decided at that point to take her to Sick Kids. She had been only on naprosyn for 4 months before the docs at Sick Kids saw her, and they immediately added the prednisone, switched her to indomethacin, and added the cytotec to help her stomach. She had some GI bleeding because of the naprosyn. There is a pediatric version of Ensure, called Pediasure. It only comes in vanilla, strawberry and chocolate though, and Mickey likes the Wildberry and Eggnog flavours, so the docs said that was okay. There are a couple of other pediatric brands that are cheaper, too, but I can't remember the names - no variety of flavours. Mickey has always been a very healthy eater... she prefers raw carrots to cookies, peppers and tomatoes to cake or muffins! She doesn't like much butter, only a little ice cream at a time and no cheese sauces - or any sauce at all, actually. Likes her food plain and simple. Mostly eats fruits and vegetables... the dietician at Sick Kids (Suzanne) is forever giving us recipes that involve a lot of creamy, cheeses sauces, lots of milk and ice cream stuff, to try to add some calories but it never goes over well with Mickey. Her little sister, on the other hand...! Isn't that always the way. Kinsey would eat anything as long as she had ranch dressing or a cheese sauce to dip it in! And butter on everything! Anyway, I've got to go round up my horses and get them in for the night. Mickey's pony gets into too much trouble left on her own! Hope some of my babbling was helpful. Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:41:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to Thanks so much, Lynn! This is all such excellent information. too is a very slim child. More so since the JRA has occured, since the fevers make his appetite virtually disappear! is on indomethacin right now. We have not yet had any experience with prednisone. I know indomethacin is an antiinflammatory; what type of drug is prednisone? I should definitely look into the Ensure supplement -- perhaps for both my skinny little sons! Is it high in calories as well as nutrients? Pam. Lynn Young wrote: Hi Pamela: Mickey's symptoms are generally very well managed. In the first few years, she had a lot of morning stiffness, difficulty that would gradually ease as the day went on, somedays disappearing completely by lunch time, other days, just lessening slightly. We ended up getting a soft-sided hot tub, and would start each day doing her stretching physiotherapy exercises in it together, and that would help quite a lot. Her right hip and wrist, and left knee have always been her worst trouble spots. In the first few years, her ankles were both a problem much of the time also. For a long while, both ankles, knees, hips, wrists and elbows were all involved, in varying degrees. Sometimes also her shoulders and neck. There were a lot of days that she couldn't get herself dressed (which really upset her as she had been very independent from an early age - I haven't had a say in what she wore since she was 2!), couldn't pull shirts on over her head, get her arms up or through the sleeves. Wow, haven't thought of those days in along time... But it has all gradually improved over time, with her ankles rarely becoming a problem anymore, as I said, mainly her knees, hips and wrists. The pain becomes a recurring problem in a predictable way because of our constant attempts to get her off the prednisone. Which did happen, for about a month, last summer. You'll find most parents here have a love/hate relationship with prednisone. You love the results it gets for your child - it is so amazing how your baby can go from not even walking one day, to running around like there were no problems at all, the next. But the long term side effects are a constant worry, so whenever a child is on Prednisone, the goal is to constantly taper them off of it. A gradual reduction, over a long period of time, is generally the way they do it. And each child seems to have a threshold dose that they have a great deal of difficulty getting beyond without a huge flareup in symptoms. Mickey usually has no problem getting to 3mg/day (she is 8 now and weighs about 44lbs) - after that we have had varying success with reductions. Your question was about pain in particular joints. In my long-winded way, I guess what I'm saying is that once the right mix of meds is found, usually the child gets very little specific joint pain... but as all the meds have potentially toxic long-term side effects, the goal is to gradually reduce the meds to the point where you find a balance between the child's physical comfort - a bit of stiffness being somewhat an acceptable trade-off for less worry about long term side effects of drugs. When you reduce past that threshold, then the flares happen and lots of joint swelling, fevers, rashes, general malaise. I don't know how big is, but one issue with Mickey has always been weight. I think others may envy this to a degree because for some kids the larger doses of pred have meant huge weight gains in their children. Which can be very emotionally upsetting, for sure. But except when Mickey was up at 20mg/day, she has always had the opposite problem - it is hard for her to put on weight (WOW, how I wish I could say the same!!!!). The dieticians at Sick Kids have me write down everything she eats for a week once every few months, and they analyse it for calories and quality of content... especially calcium. She never gets enough calories so we have her drink one or two cans of Ensure each day. One of the studies Georgina posted ages ago was one in which the doctors found that people with systemic arthritis need 33% more calories a day than the general population, and even kids with the other two main subtypes of arthritis. I think they believe it is related to the fevers - though Mickey isn't generally bothered by the fevers much anymore, until we get near that threshold dose of pred. Anyway, I've gone on way too long.... Better go check on what the munchkins are doing while I type madly away!!! Good luck, Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to Hi Lynn, Thanks so much for your words of encouragement. We originally saw Dr. Boras at HSC while was admitted. She is the one who made the diagnosis, saying his rash was 'textbook'. Very nice woman -- she had laughing his head off even when he was so sick. Now we see Dr. Silverman, who is also very nice. He seems very thorough, and we can ask as many questions as we like. It's so comforting to hear you say that this first stage of 'finding the right meds' is the hardest, and that once the right combination is found, things can be much more manageable. We see Dr. Silverman next week, so hopefully we can begin the process of finding the right mix at that time. It's also great that the fevers have not been a problem for some time for your daughter. Does Mickey have much joint pain? 's elbows hurt when he puts on or takes off a t-shirt, and we think he has some shoulder pain too. We're not really sure what to expect in terms of how bad the pain will get for . Is there a wide range for kids with systemic JRA? Thanks again for your note. It's nice to meet someone else whose child is being seen at Sick Kids. Pam ('s mum, 4, Systemic) Lynn Young wrote: Hi Pamela: Welcome. This list is a great source of information - did you join the related list Georgina developed recently to handle just the research information? It's called JRAnewsandviews and carries a lot of very informative information and the latest research studies, etc. I live in Kincardine, Ontario. My daughter Mickey was diagnosed at 3 years old with systemic jra. She is now eight. We too, take her to Toronto Sick Kids. Mickey's ped. rheum. is Dr. Rayfel Schneider. He is great. He really takes all the time needed to ask and answer questions, explain treatment choices and options. He talks TO Mickey - asks her how she's feeling, where the trouble spots are, etc, and explains things to her, too. It makes a big difference to have a doctor that treats the child like they matter, like what they say and think is important. Mickey's fevers used to run for weeks at a time... though with the medications she's on, it has been a long time since the fevers were a problem. The first year or two were really rough, though, before they found the right combination of drugs that worked for her. She is on Prednisone, indomethacin, zantac (used to be cytotec, but it is apparently in very short supply right now) and a sub-q methotrexate injection once per week. Because she is on the methotrexate, she takes folic acid every day, also. As I am sure you will hear from many on this list, it was the methotrexate that seemed to turn the tide for Mickey. Before that she was on very high doses of prednisone, and while it helped control the fevers, etc, it was a worry that she had to be on such a high dose (she was 3, only weighed 25 lbs, and was getting 20mg pred/day). This first while will be the hardest on your family and . While the doctors at Sick Kids are all excellent, and I think use the most up-to-date treatment regimens - i.e. very aggressive early treatment - it does take a while, and some trial and error to find what will work best for each child. Emotionally, it is very hard at first - well, still is in many ways. It often seems like the flares occur at the worst times, making the kids miss things they had really anticipated. Mickey's biggest wish is to be a " regular kid " - one who can go on school outings and not miss special classroom parties or events because she has to go to Toronto for appointments. They always seem to occur on the days she has to be away. Anyway, once again, this list is a great support... lots of information and lots of useful experiences shared from other parents who have " been there, done that - felt that " . It's an emotional roller coaster for a while, as you search for answers and try to understand why this happened to your child... there are no easy or good answers, unfortunately. No really good " why " answers, anyway, but in many ways, the treatment options at this point in time are many and varied, and generally, most kids can gain a very good quality of life with a bit of time and the proper mix of meds for them. I hope the process of that works quickly for you and . Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:44:56 -0400 JRA Listserve < > Subject: Re: Welcome to Hi Georgina, I just found the JRA list today, and I am very glad that I did. We live in Toronto, and our son has just been diagnosed with systemic juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. I'm a librarian, so of course I've been researching the topic like mad, but somehow it's so much more helpful to hear from people who are actually going through the same types of experiences. I had never even heard of systemic JRA before was diagnosed. He had a really high fever for 16 days straight, was admitted to the Hopital for Sick Children for testing, where they noticed his rash. Once his fever subsided, he was discharged with the tentative diagnosis of systemic JRA, and two weeks later, his elbows started to hurt when he put on or took off a shirt. We think his shoulders are hurting him now as well. He takes Indomethicin (sp?) and Zantac (because the Indomethicin was hurting his stomache). His fever was gone for a month but just returned on Sunday, so we're feeling a little down in the dumps. Hopefully, the rheumatologist will be able to adjust his medication to reduce the fever (??) Our appointment is in one week. Anyway, thanks very much for your welcome! Pam Bolan (, 4, Systemic JRA) Moderator wrote: > Hello, > > Welcome to the . I'm glad that you found our list and I want > to extend my warmest greetings. You can sit back and read some of the > messages that will be coming your way shortly, to get a feel for things, > or jump right in whenever you feel ready. You can introduce yourself, > tell us about your child, ask questions, add to the topic of discussion, > or begin an entirely new one. You can choose to write as much or as > little as you feel is appropriate, as often as you'd like. Some days > there are many posts, other days just a few. > > I hope you'll find this mailing list to be informative and enjoyable. > Everyone on the list either has or knows a child with JRA or has grown > up with arthritis, themselves. My own interest in JRA began when my 12 > year old son was diagnosed with Systemic Juvenile Rheumatoid > Arthritis in May, 1995. Before then, I hadn't ever heard of JRA. I > used to think that arthritis was a disease that only affected adults. > I didn't know that kids can and do get arthritis, too. > > The internet has been a very valuable source of information and > support for me. We don't have a local Arthritis Support Group nearby > so I am very grateful to have been able to meet others online whose > children have this illness. Though we may be many miles apart and > facing different stages or severities of illness, we do share a common > bond. Discussing arthritis-related issues with others who may have > already been through some of the very same situations we're facing, > and who can share information and offer advice and support, seems to > make living with JRA a little bit easier. > > I'm always looking around for articles that may be of interest to us. > News about arthritis research, medicines, treatments, etc. As a JRA > List member, you have access to an incredibly informative archives of > messages on topics that have previously been discussed here. Just sign > in and visit /messages , type in > a key word, and click on the Search Archive button. Press Next after > each screen to search through remaining messages. > > There are several different mail-delivery preference settings that you > can choose from: individual emails, a daily digest, or you can choose > to get no mail and to read group postings directly from the site. > You can change these preferences at any time. > > In this group, we hope to be able to share what we have learned > and to continue learning. I hope that you will find being a list > member to be a positive and enriching experience and I hope our group > will become an important source of information and support for you. > > Welcome! > > Georgina > List Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 Hi Lynn, Thanks so much for all the great information. A whole year of fevers before they found the diagnosis! That must have been an unbelievably stressful time for you and your family! Our pediatrician is actually on staff at Sick Kids. He admitted there after about twelve days of fever. During those twelve days, we had been to HSC emergency twice when Matt's fevers reached 105.5 during weekend hours. The first time, we were told it was a virus, the next we were told it was mono. Once admitted at HSC, the doctors mentioned the possibility of leukemia to us, but four days later, the rheumatologist said she was sure it was Systemic JRA. It was such a scary and surreal time. It may sound strange, but after considering that possibility leukemia, we were actually relieved to hear that it was Systemic JRA, although we were pretty ignorant about what it actually was at the time. Once we told everyone, we found out that 's (my husband's) older sister had had JRA as a child, as did his cousin's son. Both family members outgrew the JRA, although now both of 's sisters have lupus, which is apparently related somehow (??) I checked out the Ensure while at Walmart today. I will definitely give it a try. 's appetite is just so tiny right now! I would feel better with the Ensure to supplement his food/calorie intake. Thanks again! Pam. Lynn Young wrote: Hi Pamela: Prednisone is a steroid - corticosteroid, I think is the proper term. It can have a lot of undesirable side effects, hence the ongoing attempts to reduce or eliminate its use. One possible side effects is avascular necrosis - which means (as I understand it) that the steroid destroys or collapses the veins that feed the hip joints (in particular) and can lead to bone destruction in that region. High doses of prednisone can stunt growth severely, increase the risk of juvenile diabetes, and eye cataracts. The less serious side effects include "moon face" (Cushings syndrome) with or without all over weight gain, increased body hair in places it wouldn't normally grow - Mickey has a lot of extra hair across the back of her neck, shoulders and back. Um.... trying to think what else... Anyway... as much as it is a scary drug, especially at higher doses and/or over a long period of time, sometimes it is the only drug that can bring the systemic symptoms under control. Mickey had the high fevers for nearly a year before she was diagnosed and she was severely anemic by then. Like someone else (, a new person?) they thought she might have leukemia at first because of her blood counts, etc. The anemia was a big issue and the prednisone really helped get the high fevers under control. Before we started taking her to Sick Kids, she was under the care of another rheumatologist who didn't really specialize in kids, and his treatments were very conservative and well - inadequate. He was older, (in thought and body!) and seemed to feel that Mickey just needed to learn to deal with the pain!!!!! Needless to say, we decided at that point to take her to Sick Kids. She had been only on naprosyn for 4 months before the docs at Sick Kids saw her, and they immediately added the prednisone, switched her to indomethacin, and added the cytotec to help her stomach. She had some GI bleeding because of the naprosyn. There is a pediatric version of Ensure, called Pediasure. It only comes in vanilla, strawberry and chocolate though, and Mickey likes the Wildberry and Eggnog flavours, so the docs said that was okay. There are a couple of other pediatric brands that are cheaper, too, but I can't remember the names - no variety of flavours. Mickey has always been a very healthy eater... she prefers raw carrots to cookies, peppers and tomatoes to cake or muffins! She doesn't like much butter, only a little ice cream at a time and no cheese sauces - or any sauce at all, actually. Likes her food plain and simple. Mostly eats fruits and vegetables... the dietician at Sick Kids (Suzanne) is forever giving us recipes that involve a lot of creamy, cheeses sauces, lots of milk and ice cream stuff, to try to add some calories but it never goes over well with Mickey. Her little sister, on the other hand...! Isn't that always the way. Kinsey would eat anything as long as she had ranch dressing or a cheese sauce to dip it in! And butter on everything! Anyway, I've got to go round up my horses and get them in for the night. Mickey's pony gets into too much trouble left on her own! Hope some of my babbling was helpful. Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:41:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to Thanks so much, Lynn! This is all such excellent information. too is a very slim child. More so since the JRA has occured, since the fevers make his appetite virtually disappear! is on indomethacin right now. We have not yet had any experience with prednisone. I know indomethacin is an antiinflammatory; what type of drug is prednisone? I should definitely look into the Ensure supplement -- perhaps for both my skinny little sons! Is it high in calories as well as nutrients? Pam. Lynn Young wrote: Hi Pamela: Mickey's symptoms are generally very well managed. In the first few years, she had a lot of morning stiffness, difficulty that would gradually ease as the day went on, somedays disappearing completely by lunch time, other days, just lessening slightly. We ended up getting a soft-sided hot tub, and would start each day doing her stretching physiotherapy exercises in it together, and that would help quite a lot. Her right hip and wrist, and left knee have always been her worst trouble spots. In the first few years, her ankles were both a problem much of the time also. For a long while, both ankles, knees, hips, wrists and elbows were all involved, in varying degrees. Sometimes also her shoulders and neck. There were a lot of days that she couldn't get herself dressed (which really upset her as she had been very independent from an early age - I haven't had a say in what she wore since she was 2!), couldn't pull shirts on over her head, get her arms up or through the sleeves. Wow, haven't thought of those days in along time... But it has all gradually improved over time, with her ankles rarely becoming a problem anymore, as I said, mainly her knees, hips and wrists. The pain becomes a recurring problem in a predictable way because of our constant attempts to get her off the prednisone. Which did happen, for about a month, last summer. You'll find most parents here have a love/hate relationship with prednisone. You love the results it gets for your child - it is so amazing how your baby can go from not even walking one day, to running around like there were no problems at all, the next. But the long term side effects are a constant worry, so whenever a child is on Prednisone, the goal is to constantly taper them off of it. A gradual reduction, over a long period of time, is generally the way they do it. And each child seems to have a threshold dose that they have a great deal of difficulty getting beyond without a huge flareup in symptoms. Mickey usually has no problem getting to 3mg/day (she is 8 now and weighs about 44lbs) - after that we have had varying success with reductions. Your question was about pain in particular joints. In my long-winded way, I guess what I'm saying is that once the right mix of meds is found, usually the child gets very little specific joint pain... but as all the meds have potentially toxic long-term side effects, the goal is to gradually reduce the meds to the point where you find a balance between the child's physical comfort - a bit of stiffness being somewhat an acceptable trade-off for less worry about long term side effects of drugs. When you reduce past that threshold, then the flares happen and lots of joint swelling, fevers, rashes, general malaise. I don't know how big is, but one issue with Mickey has always been weight. I think others may envy this to a degree because for some kids the larger doses of pred have meant huge weight gains in their children. Which can be very emotionally upsetting, for sure. But except when Mickey was up at 20mg/day, she has always had the opposite problem - it is hard for her to put on weight (WOW, how I wish I could say the same!!!!). The dieticians at Sick Kids have me write down everything she eats for a week once every few months, and they analyse it for calories and quality of content... especially calcium. She never gets enough calories so we have her drink one or two cans of Ensure each day. One of the studies Georgina posted ages ago was one in which the doctors found that people with systemic arthritis need 33% more calories a day than the general population, and even kids with the other two main subtypes of arthritis. I think they believe it is related to the fevers - though Mickey isn't generally bothered by the fevers much anymore, until we get near that threshold dose of pred. Anyway, I've gone on way too long.... Better go check on what the munchkins are doing while I type madly away!!! Good luck, Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:51:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to Hi Lynn, Thanks so much for your words of encouragement. We originally saw Dr. Boras at HSC while was admitted. She is the one who made the diagnosis, saying his rash was 'textbook'. Very nice woman -- she had laughing his head off even when he was so sick. Now we see Dr. Silverman, who is also very nice. He seems very thorough, and we can ask as many questions as we like. It's so comforting to hear you say that this first stage of 'finding the right meds' is the hardest, and that once the right combination is found, things can be much more manageable. We see Dr. Silverman next week, so hopefully we can begin the process of finding the right mix at that time. It's also great that the fevers have not been a problem for some time for your daughter. Does Mickey have much joint pain? 's elbows hurt when he puts on or takes off a t-shirt, and we think he has some shoulder pain too. We're not really sure what to expect in terms of how bad the pain will get for . Is there a wide range for kids with systemic JRA? Thanks again for your note. It's nice to meet someone else whose child is being seen at Sick Kids. Pam ('s mum, 4, Systemic) Lynn Young wrote: Hi Pamela: Welcome. This list is a great source of information - did you join the related list Georgina developed recently to handle just the research information? It's called JRAnewsandviews and carries a lot of very informative information and the latest research studies, etc. I live in Kincardine, Ontario. My daughter Mickey was diagnosed at 3 years old with systemic jra. She is now eight. We too, take her to Toronto Sick Kids. Mickey's ped. rheum. is Dr. Rayfel Schneider. He is great. He really takes all the time needed to ask and answer questions, explain treatment choices and options. He talks TO Mickey - asks her how she's feeling, where the trouble spots are, etc, and explains things to her, too. It makes a big difference to have a doctor that treats the child like they matter, like what they say and think is important. Mickey's fevers used to run for weeks at a time... though with the medications she's on, it has been a long time since the fevers were a problem. The first year or two were really rough, though, before they found the right combination of drugs that worked for her. She is on Prednisone, indomethacin, zantac (used to be cytotec, but it is apparently in very short supply right now) and a sub-q methotrexate injection once per week. Because she is on the methotrexate, she takes folic acid every day, also. As I am sure you will hear from many on this list, it was the methotrexate that seemed to turn the tide for Mickey. Before that she was on very high doses of prednisone, and while it helped control the fevers, etc, it was a worry that she had to be on such a high dose (she was 3, only weighed 25 lbs, and was getting 20mg pred/day). This first while will be the hardest on your family and . While the doctors at Sick Kids are all excellent, and I think use the most up-to-date treatment regimens - i.e. very aggressive early treatment - it does take a while, and some trial and error to find what will work best for each child. Emotionally, it is very hard at first - well, still is in many ways. It often seems like the flares occur at the worst times, making the kids miss things they had really anticipated. Mickey's biggest wish is to be a "regular kid" - one who can go on school outings and not miss special classroom parties or events because she has to go to Toronto for appointments. They always seem to occur on the days she has to be away. Anyway, once again, this list is a great support... lots of information and lots of useful experiences shared from other parents who have "been there, done that - felt that". It's an emotional roller coaster for a while, as you search for answers and try to understand why this happened to your child... there are no easy or good answers, unfortunately. No really good "why" answers, anyway, but in many ways, the treatment options at this point in time are many and varied, and generally, most kids can gain a very good quality of life with a bit of time and the proper mix of meds for them. I hope the process of that works quickly for you and . Lynn From: Pamela Bolan <pambolan@...> Reply- Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:44:56 -0400 JRA Listserve < > Subject: Re: Welcome to Hi Georgina, I just found the JRA list today, and I am very glad that I did. We live in Toronto, and our son has just been diagnosed with systemic juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. I'm a librarian, so of course I've been researching the topic like mad, but somehow it's so much more helpful to hear from people who are actually going through the same types of experiences. I had never even heard of systemic JRA before was diagnosed. He had a really high fever for 16 days straight, was admitted to the Hopital for Sick Children for testing, where they noticed his rash. Once his fever subsided, he was discharged with the tentative diagnosis of systemic JRA, and two weeks later, his elbows started to hurt when he put on or took off a shirt. We think his shoulders are hurting him now as well. He takes Indomethicin (sp?) and Zantac (because the Indomethicin was hurting his stomache). His fever was gone for a month but just returned on Sunday, so we're feeling a little down in the dumps. Hopefully, the rheumatologist will be able to adjust his medication to reduce the fever (??) Our appointment is in one week. Anyway, thanks very much for your welcome! Pam Bolan (, 4, Systemic JRA) Moderator wrote: > Hello, > > Welcome to the . I'm glad that you found our list and I want > to extend my warmest greetings. You can sit back and read some of the > messages that will be coming your way shortly, to get a feel for things, > or jump right in whenever you feel ready. You can introduce yourself, > tell us about your child, ask questions, add to the topic of discussion, > or begin an entirely new one. You can choose to write as much or as > little as you feel is appropriate, as often as you'd like. Some days > there are many posts, other days just a few. > > I hope you'll find this mailing list to be informative and enjoyable. > Everyone on the list either has or knows a child with JRA or has grown > up with arthritis, themselves. My own interest in JRA began when my 12 > year old son was diagnosed with Systemic Juvenile Rheumatoid > Arthritis in May, 1995. Before then, I hadn't ever heard of JRA. I > used to think that arthritis was a disease that only affected adults. > I didn't know that kids can and do get arthritis, too. > > The internet has been a very valuable source of information and > support for me. We don't have a local Arthritis Support Group nearby > so I am very grateful to have been able to meet others online whose > children have this illness. Though we may be many miles apart and > facing different stages or severities of illness, we do share a common > bond. Discussing arthritis-related issues with others who may have > already been through some of the very same situations we're facing, > and who can share information and offer advice and support, seems to > make living with JRA a little bit easier. > > I'm always looking around for articles that may be of interest to us. > News about arthritis research, medicines, treatments, etc. As a JRA > List member, you have access to an incredibly informative archives of > messages on topics that have previously been discussed here. Just sign > in and visit /messages , type in > a key word, and click on the Search Archive button. Press Next after > each screen to search through remaining messages. > > There are several different mail-delivery preference settings that you > can choose from: individual emails, a daily digest, or you can choose > to get no mail and to read group postings directly from the site. > You can change these preferences at any time. > > In this group, we hope to be able to share what we have learned > and to continue learning. I hope that you will find being a list > member to be a positive and enriching experience and I hope our group > will become an important source of information and support for you. > > Welcome! > > Georgina > List Owner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2002 Report Share Posted September 10, 2002 Thanks Robbin! Nice to meet you! Pam. Quoting Robbin40@...: > Welcome Pam > hi i am Robbin my daughter is 15 yrs old with poly JRA > welcome to the BEST group around > Robbin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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