Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Dear Harper, Yes, I agree with you regarding how the article was written. I decided to send it anyway because it's important to know about the mode of transmission of the viral hepatitis types, so we can protect ourselves. The article did lump all types of hepatitis causes and conditions together, (and completely excluded PBC and PSC in the process). If someone knew nothing about hepatitis, I'm sure they would have been confused by the way this article was written. It could have been delineated much better. I'm sure there are doctors and nurses who could confuse the types. When I had my last biopsy, the doctor asked me how long I had been taking interferon! I found the excerpt on liver biopsies mystifying too. I sure wouldn't want my next biopsy done like that. It seemed to be a procedure where they could view the liver. But overall, I thought it was quite informative if you already had a basic knowledge. Scary stuff about the herbs too. Don't understand why people take herbs without knowing what they do. Re: Digest Number 3619 - Article , I read the article you sent on hepatitis with interest. Most of it concerned viral hepatitis, of course, and the written boundaries between viral and autoimmune hepatitis diagnosis/treatment were not always clear. I wonder if doctors sometimes become confused, seeing information that overlaps the two areas. I think this should remind us of the importance of working with doctors who are familiar with autoimmune hepatitis, not ones who must learn about it from scratch. I was surprised at the way the article described liver biopsies. As described, a biopsy would be quite different from what I've heard from others and experienced first-hand. The article says the biopsy is abdominal surgery, done under general anesthesia, taking about an hour. I've thought it was usually done just below the ribs, with local anesthesia, taking a few minutes (except for prep and recovery time, which take a few hours.) Perhaps biopsies done for viral hepatitis are different. Here's an unsettling exerpt from the article: " Of specific concern, however, are studies suggesting that up to 30% of herbal patent remedies imported from China having been laced with potent pharmaceuticals such as phenacetin and steroids. " Harper [This message contained attachments] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 I am confused about something...Are you saying that it is better to be asleep for a liver biopsy? The doctor wont do a biopsy because I have a nodule which they say is cancerous and are afraid that they will open it up and cause it to spread. Does this make sense to anybody? Sparky (Randy)lisa m skowron <lsmaxfax@...> wrote: Dear Harper,Yes, I agree with you regarding how the article was written. I decidedto send it anyway because it's important to know about the mode oftransmission of the viral hepatitis types, so we can protect ourselves.The article did lump all types of hepatitis causes and conditionstogether, (and completely excluded PBC and PSC in the process). Ifsomeone knew nothing about hepatitis, I'm sure they would have beenconfused by the way this article was written. It could have beendelineated much better. I'm sure there are doctors and nurses who couldconfuse the types. When I had my last biopsy, the doctor asked me howlong I had been taking interferon!I found the excerpt on liver biopsies mystifying too. I sure wouldn'twant my next biopsy done like that. It seemed to be a procedure wherethey could view the liver.But overall, I thought it was quite informative if you already had abasic knowledge.Scary stuff about the herbs too. Don't understand why people take herbswithout knowing what they do.-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: [ ] Digest Number 3620There is 1 message in this issue.Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Digest Number 3619 - Article From: flatcat9@...________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:47:32 EDT From: flatcat9@...Subject: Re: Digest Number 3619 - Article, I read the article you sent on hepatitis with interest. Most ofit concerned viral hepatitis, of course, and the written boundaries betweenviral and autoimmune hepatitis diagnosis/treatment were not always clear. Iwonder if doctors sometimes become confused, seeing information that overlaps thetwo areas. I think this should remind us of the importance of working withdoctors who are familiar with autoimmune hepatitis, not ones who must learnabout it from scratch.I was surprised at the way the article described liver biopsies. As described, a biopsy would be quite different from what I've heard fromothers and experienced first-hand. The article says the biopsy is abdominalsurgery, done under general anesthesia, taking about an hour. I've thought it wasusually done just below the ribs, with local anesthesia, taking a few minutes(except for prep and recovery time, which take a few hours.) Perhaps biopsies donefor viral hepatitis are different.Here's an unsettling exerpt from the article: "Of specific concern,however, are studies suggesting that up to 30% of herbal patent remedies importedfrom China having been laced with potent pharmaceuticals such as phenacetinand steroids. " Harper[This message contained attachments]________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Randy, I only know that there are some kinds of cancer that spreads like wildfire when air hits it. I don't know if that is what they are saying or not. I had a friend that went into surgery for exploratory surgery and he had this kind of cancer, they immediantly sewed him back up. I will you the best. Hello Tony, Joanne and the others....I am sorry I don't post much. I hope everyone is having a pain free day as possible!! Love Ys, BeckieRandy Hines <mrsparkyz@...> wrote: I am confused about something...Are you saying that it is better to be asleep for a liver biopsy? The doctor wont do a biopsy because I have a nodule which they say is cancerous and are afraid that they will open it up and cause it to spread. Does this make sense to anybody? Sparky (Randy)lisa m skowron <lsmaxfax@...> wrote: Dear Harper,Yes, I agree with you regarding how the article was written. I decidedto send it anyway because it's important to know about the mode oftransmission of the viral hepatitis types, so we can protect ourselves.The article did lump all types of hepatitis causes and conditionstogether, (and completely excluded PBC and PSC in the process). Ifsomeone knew nothing about hepatitis, I'm sure they would have beenconfused by the way this article was written. It could have beendelineated much better. I'm sure there are doctors and nurses who couldconfuse the types. When I had my last biopsy, the doctor asked me howlong I had been taking interferon!I found the excerpt on liver biopsies mystifying too. I sure wouldn'twant my next biopsy done like that. It seemed to be a procedure wherethey could view the liver.But overall, I thought it was quite informative if you already had abasic knowledge.Scary stuff about the herbs too. Don't understand why people take herbswithout knowing what they do.-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: [ ] Digest Number 3620There is 1 message in this issue.Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Digest Number 3619 - Article From: flatcat9@...________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:47:32 EDT From: flatcat9@...Subject: Re: Digest Number 3619 - Article, I read the article you sent on hepatitis with interest. Most ofit concerned viral hepatitis, of course, and the written boundaries betweenviral and autoimmune hepatitis diagnosis/treatment were not always clear. Iwonder if doctors sometimes become confused, seeing information that overlaps thetwo areas. I think this should remind us of the importance of working withdoctors who are familiar with autoimmune hepatitis, not ones who must learnabout it from scratch.I was surprised at the way the article described liver biopsies. As described, a biopsy would be quite different from what I've heard fromothers and experienced first-hand. The article says the biopsy is abdominalsurgery, done under general anesthesia, taking about an hour. I've thought it wasusually done just below the ribs, with local anesthesia, taking a few minutes(except for prep and recovery time, which take a few hours.) Perhaps biopsies donefor viral hepatitis are different.Here's an unsettling exerpt from the article: "Of specific concern,however, are studies suggesting that up to 30% of herbal patent remedies importedfrom China having been laced with potent pharmaceuticals such as phenacetinand steroids. " Harper[This message contained attachments]________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Thank you Becky! As the time approaches for the next mri I grow more nervous and apprehensive! I am so scared!!!! Randybgrant ham <grandma417_2000@...> wrote: Randy, I only know that there are some kinds of cancer that spreads like wildfire when air hits it. I don't know if that is what they are saying or not. I had a friend that went into surgery for exploratory surgery and he had this kind of cancer, they immediantly sewed him back up. I will you the best. Hello Tony, Joanne and the others....I am sorry I don't post much. I hope everyone is having a pain free day as possible!! Love Ys, BeckieRandy Hines <mrsparkyz@...> wrote: I am confused about something...Are you saying that it is better to be asleep for a liver biopsy? The doctor wont do a biopsy because I have a nodule which they say is cancerous and are afraid that they will open it up and cause it to spread. Does this make sense to anybody? Sparky (Randy)lisa m skowron <lsmaxfax@...> wrote: Dear Harper,Yes, I agree with you regarding how the article was written. I decidedto send it anyway because it's important to know about the mode oftransmission of the viral hepatitis types, so we can protect ourselves.The article did lump all types of hepatitis causes and conditionstogether, (and completely excluded PBC and PSC in the process). Ifsomeone knew nothing about hepatitis, I'm sure they would have beenconfused by the way this article was written. It could have beendelineated much better. I'm sure there are doctors and nurses who couldconfuse the types. When I had my last biopsy, the doctor asked me howlong I had been taking interferon!I found the excerpt on liver biopsies mystifying too. I sure wouldn'twant my next biopsy done like that. It seemed to be a procedure wherethey could view the liver.But overall, I thought it was quite informative if you already had abasic knowledge.Scary stuff about the herbs too. Don't understand why people take herbswithout knowing what they do.-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:10 AM Subject: [ ] Digest Number 3620There is 1 message in this issue.Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Digest Number 3619 - Article From: flatcat9@...________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:47:32 EDT From: flatcat9@...Subject: Re: Digest Number 3619 - Article, I read the article you sent on hepatitis with interest. Most ofit concerned viral hepatitis, of course, and the written boundaries betweenviral and autoimmune hepatitis diagnosis/treatment were not always clear. Iwonder if doctors sometimes become confused, seeing information that overlaps thetwo areas. I think this should remind us of the importance of working withdoctors who are familiar with autoimmune hepatitis, not ones who must learnabout it from scratch.I was surprised at the way the article described liver biopsies. As described, a biopsy would be quite different from what I've heard fromothers and experienced first-hand. The article says the biopsy is abdominalsurgery, done under general anesthesia, taking about an hour. I've thought it wasusually done just below the ribs, with local anesthesia, taking a few minutes(except for prep and recovery time, which take a few hours.) Perhaps biopsies donefor viral hepatitis are different.Here's an unsettling exerpt from the article: "Of specific concern,however, are studies suggesting that up to 30% of herbal patent remedies importedfrom China having been laced with potent pharmaceuticals such as phenacetinand steroids. " Harper[This message contained attachments]________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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