Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I don't know if this is true -- I just throw it out for people to research: I heard recently that rapid weight loss can actually create fat accumulation on the liver! Even thin people can have NAFD / NASH. It isn't just obesity that affects the liver. NASH stands for Non-alcoholic Steatohepatitis. I think the two terms refer to the same disorder. As far as I know, weight loss and increased physical activity are the only proven ways to improve NASH / NAFD. I've read that research is looking at the effect of antioxidants and diabetes-type medication (I can't be more specific) on NAFD/NASH. Harper In a message dated 10/1/07 9:24:24 AM, cshelton33@... writes: > How many of us involved with NAFLD? Non-Alcoholic > Fatty Liver Disease? Is there no hope for us beyond " loose weight and > eat vegetables " ? eat vegetables " ?<wbr>? It has helped me greatly to ch > vegetarian life style, but I wish there was some way I could loose > some weight. I suppose I should be grateful I am alive, and I am. > > Clara from OR dx '99 > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Yes, it's true and there was actually some talk and a couple of links about it a while ago. Apparently that has recently happened to me, since my liver values were slightly up for the first time in a long time after I had been on a diet for a couple of months. In spite of the fact that I am very overweight, I was actually *forbidden* to start a strict diet during the first 3 years of my illmess, and only got the permission to try this summer. In my case an added problem is that I don't lose weight on a normal 1200-1500 calories per day diet, which was partly the reason for the diet ban, I'm sure. According to my doctors, the " safe " limit is usually under 1 kilogram's weight loss per week. In my case I've seldom exceeded that amount, but the doctors still think it's the most likely cause for the values going up. I'm going to have another set of tests tomorrow to see which way it's going. In spite of me being overweight, my liver didn't have more than the normal amount of fat in the initial biopsy, so being overweight doesn't necessarily mean having fatty liver. I believe it is connected to other things as well, such as the triglycerides and cholesterol levels - which, again, are not necessarily elevated in overweight people, even though they often are (mine, for example, are way under the normal upper levels). A thin person eating unhealthy foods is just as likely to have elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels. The fats that are present in the blood are then more likely to accumulate in the liver as well, which would be why eating veggies and non-fatty foods might help by lowering the levels of cholesterol, triglycerides and sugar in the blood. One theory is, apparently, that also the fat build-up in the liver during weight loss would have something to do with the extra fat that is released into the circulation during a diet. In any case I was given the permission to continue with the diet for the time being, because apparently it can be a passing thing and not necessarily quite the same thing as actual fatty liver. In the long run it's usually definitely a good thing to lose weight, both for the liver and otherwise. I was also told that with alcohol induced fatty liver the AST enzymes are more likely to go up, and when it's caused by something like weight loss, it's the ALT that goes up (I hope I didn't get those two mixed now, but in any case, it's different enzymes going up). Jaana 1.10.2007 19:37, flatcat9@... kirjoitti: > > > I don't know if this is true -- I just throw it out for people to > research: I > heard recently that rapid weight loss can actually create fat > accumulation on > the liver! > > Even thin people can have NAFD / NASH. It isn't just obesity that > affects the > liver. > > NASH stands for Non-alcoholic Steatohepatitis. I think the two terms > refer to > the same disorder. > > As far as I know, weight loss and increased physical activity are the only > proven ways to improve NASH / NAFD. I've read that research is looking > at the > effect of antioxidants and diabetes-type medication (I can't be more > specific) > on NAFD/NASH. > > Harper > > In a message dated 10/1/07 9:24:24 AM, cshelton33@... > <mailto:cshelton33%40comcast.net> writes: > > > How many of us involved with NAFLD? Non-Alcoholic > > Fatty Liver Disease? Is there no hope for us beyond " loose weight and > > eat vegetables " ? eat vegetables " ?<wbr>? It has helped me greatly to ch > > vegetarian life style, but I wish there was some way I could loose > > some weight. I suppose I should be grateful I am alive, and I am. > > > > Clara from OR dx '99 > > > > ************************************** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Harper, I have heard this too. I am keeping up with the exercising...doing at least 30-45 min per day. Hopefully this will eliminate the fatty liver. I see the GI in December, so will see what she thinks. Thanks for the info though. Debby Re: [ ] Re: NAFD / NASH I don't know if this is true -- I just throw it out for people to research: I heard recently that rapid weight loss can actually create fat accumulation on the liver! Even thin people can have NAFD / NASH. It isn't just obesity that affects the liver. NASH stands for Non-alcoholic Steatohepatitis. I think the two terms refer to the same disorder. As far as I know, weight loss and increased physical activity are the only proven ways to improve NASH / NAFD. I've read that research is looking at the effect of antioxidants and diabetes-type medication (I can't be more specific) on NAFD/NASH. Harper In a message dated 10/1/07 9:24:24 AM, cshelton33@... writes: > How many of us involved with NAFLD? Non-Alcoholic > Fatty Liver Disease? Is there no hope for us beyond " loose weight and > eat vegetables " ? eat vegetables " ?<wbr>? It has helped me greatly to ch > vegetarian life style, but I wish there was some way I could loose > some weight. I suppose I should be grateful I am alive, and I am. > > Clara from OR dx '99 > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I've read that research is looking at the > effect of antioxidants and diabetes-type medication (I can't be more specific) > on NAFD/NASH. > > Harper Harper, I just found this article, " Quick-burning carbs may cause fatty liver " on the following site. http://www.childrenshospital.org/newsroom/Site1339/mainpageS1339P1sublevel341.ht\ ml I hope all of you can access it. There is research done that states that: " On the high-glycemic index diet, mice ate a type of cornstarch that is digested quickly whereas on the low-glycemic index diet, mice ate a type of cornstarch that is digested slowly. The diets had equal amounts of total calories, fat, protein, and carbohydrate, and the mice were otherwise treated identically. After six months, the mice weighed the same. However, mice on the low-glycemic index diet were lean, with normal amounts of fat in throughout their bodies. Mice on the high-glycemic index diet had twice the normal amount of fat in their bodies, blood and livers. " The rest of the article is interesting too. Clara From OR dx'99 NASH/Possible PBC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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