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I don't know if this is true -- I just throw it out for people to research: I

heard recently that rapid weight loss can actually create fat accumulation on

the liver!

Even thin people can have NAFD / NASH. It isn't just obesity that affects the

liver.

NASH stands for Non-alcoholic Steatohepatitis. I think the two terms refer to

the same disorder.

As far as I know, weight loss and increased physical activity are the only

proven ways to improve NASH / NAFD. I've read that research is looking at the

effect of antioxidants and diabetes-type medication (I can't be more specific)

on NAFD/NASH.

Harper

In a message dated 10/1/07 9:24:24 AM, cshelton33@... writes:

> How many of us involved with NAFLD? Non-Alcoholic

> Fatty Liver Disease? Is there no hope for us beyond " loose weight and

> eat vegetables " ? eat vegetables " ?<wbr>? It has helped me greatly to ch

> vegetarian life style, but I wish there was some way I could loose

> some weight. I suppose I should be grateful I am alive, and I am.

>

> Clara from OR dx '99

>

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Yes, it's true and there was actually some talk and a couple of

links about it a while ago.

Apparently that has recently happened to me, since my liver

values were slightly up for the first time in a long time after I

had been on a diet for a couple of months. In spite of the fact

that I am very overweight, I was actually *forbidden* to start a

strict diet during the first 3 years of my illmess, and only got

the permission to try this summer. In my case an added problem is

that I don't lose weight on a normal 1200-1500 calories per day

diet, which was partly the reason for the diet ban, I'm sure.

According to my doctors, the " safe " limit is usually under 1

kilogram's weight loss per week. In my case I've seldom exceeded

that amount, but the doctors still think it's the most likely

cause for the values going up. I'm going to have another set of

tests tomorrow to see which way it's going.

In spite of me being overweight, my liver didn't have more than

the normal amount of fat in the initial biopsy, so being

overweight doesn't necessarily mean having fatty liver. I believe

it is connected to other things as well, such as the

triglycerides and cholesterol levels - which, again, are not

necessarily elevated in overweight people, even though they often

are (mine, for example, are way under the normal upper levels). A

thin person eating unhealthy foods is just as likely to have

elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels.

The fats that are present in the blood are then more likely to

accumulate in the liver as well, which would be why eating

veggies and non-fatty foods might help by lowering the levels of

cholesterol, triglycerides and sugar in the blood.

One theory is, apparently, that also the fat build-up in the

liver during weight loss would have something to do with the

extra fat that is released into the circulation during a diet.

In any case I was given the permission to continue with the diet

for the time being, because apparently it can be a passing thing

and not necessarily quite the same thing as actual fatty liver.

In the long run it's usually definitely a good thing to lose

weight, both for the liver and otherwise.

I was also told that with alcohol induced fatty liver the AST

enzymes are more likely to go up, and when it's caused by

something like weight loss, it's the ALT that goes up (I hope I

didn't get those two mixed now, but in any case, it's different

enzymes going up).

Jaana

1.10.2007 19:37, flatcat9@... kirjoitti:

>

>

> I don't know if this is true -- I just throw it out for people to

> research: I

> heard recently that rapid weight loss can actually create fat

> accumulation on

> the liver!

>

> Even thin people can have NAFD / NASH. It isn't just obesity that

> affects the

> liver.

>

> NASH stands for Non-alcoholic Steatohepatitis. I think the two terms

> refer to

> the same disorder.

>

> As far as I know, weight loss and increased physical activity are the only

> proven ways to improve NASH / NAFD. I've read that research is looking

> at the

> effect of antioxidants and diabetes-type medication (I can't be more

> specific)

> on NAFD/NASH.

>

> Harper

>

> In a message dated 10/1/07 9:24:24 AM, cshelton33@...

> <mailto:cshelton33%40comcast.net> writes:

>

> > How many of us involved with NAFLD? Non-Alcoholic

> > Fatty Liver Disease? Is there no hope for us beyond " loose weight and

> > eat vegetables " ? eat vegetables " ?<wbr>? It has helped me greatly to ch

> > vegetarian life style, but I wish there was some way I could loose

> > some weight. I suppose I should be grateful I am alive, and I am.

> >

> > Clara from OR dx '99

> >

>

> **************************************

> See what's new at http://www.aol.com <http://www.aol.com>

>

>

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Harper, I have heard this too. I am keeping up with the exercising...doing at

least 30-45 min per day. Hopefully this will eliminate the fatty liver. I see

the GI in December, so will see what she thinks. Thanks for the info though.

Debby

Re: [ ] Re: NAFD / NASH

I don't know if this is true -- I just throw it out for people to research: I

heard recently that rapid weight loss can actually create fat accumulation on

the liver!

Even thin people can have NAFD / NASH. It isn't just obesity that affects the

liver.

NASH stands for Non-alcoholic Steatohepatitis. I think the two terms refer to

the same disorder.

As far as I know, weight loss and increased physical activity are the only

proven ways to improve NASH / NAFD. I've read that research is looking at the

effect of antioxidants and diabetes-type medication (I can't be more specific)

on NAFD/NASH.

Harper

In a message dated 10/1/07 9:24:24 AM, cshelton33@... writes:

> How many of us involved with NAFLD? Non-Alcoholic

> Fatty Liver Disease? Is there no hope for us beyond " loose weight and

> eat vegetables " ? eat vegetables " ?<wbr>? It has helped me greatly to ch

> vegetarian life style, but I wish there was some way I could loose

> some weight. I suppose I should be grateful I am alive, and I am.

>

> Clara from OR dx '99

>

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I've read that research is looking at the

> effect of antioxidants and diabetes-type medication (I can't be more

specific)

> on NAFD/NASH.

>

> Harper

Harper,

I just found this article, " Quick-burning carbs may cause fatty liver "

on the following site.

http://www.childrenshospital.org/newsroom/Site1339/mainpageS1339P1sublevel341.ht\

ml

I hope all of you can access it.

There is research done that states that: " On the high-glycemic index

diet, mice ate a type of cornstarch that is digested quickly whereas

on the low-glycemic index diet, mice ate a type of cornstarch that is

digested slowly. The diets had equal amounts of total calories, fat,

protein, and carbohydrate, and the mice were otherwise treated

identically.

After six months, the mice weighed the same. However, mice on the

low-glycemic index diet were lean, with normal amounts of fat in

throughout their bodies. Mice on the high-glycemic index diet had

twice the normal amount of fat in their bodies, blood and livers. "

The rest of the article is interesting too.

Clara From OR dx'99

NASH/Possible PBC

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