Re: Set Backs

March 31, 2001

Hi ,

Yes, , you may well be suffering from additional tissue inflammation

from 'dumping of toxins' in your body, and please don't expect this to be

the last time for this to happen. When I was having antioxidant IV therapy

nearly every day of the week, including Sunday afternoons, I initially went

through a lot of this, yet I knew to expect it, and the more I continued

this therapy the better all things became. Then I went through physical

therapy for a few months before my insurance company agreed to pay for

massage therapy. The kind of massage therapy I was having caused my body to

dump even more toxins, and initially caused another 'flare up', which

eventually setteled down, after several treatments. The most important

thing I can say about all of these therapies, is that you must drink

'gallons' on purified water to help flush out the toxins before they can

cause any serious 'flare ups'.

Another thing I want to mention, is any time you make an airline trip, you

are exposed to all kinds of toxins while you are at the airports, and

onboard and airplane, as they have to spray all kinds of " stuff " on an

airplane that's not good for us. I learned the hard way, that if I'm flying

to DC, or somewhere else to speak, the I must go a day early, so I can spend

most of the next day in bed recovering from all the airport & airplane

polluntants. Then you get to a hotel which has virtually the same problems

for your body to try to adjust to -- it's a vicious cicle. However, Dear

, these are things that we can educate you about so you can make the

necessary 'adjustments' in your schedules -- and you just must learn to work

around them, until your body & immune system is stronger.

One of the most positive effects on the immune system, is sleeping next to

someone you care about -- it's a proven fact -- and I cannot tell you where

to go to back this up. However, couples who sleep together touching on

another each night, etc. have the significantly stronger immune systems,

than those who sleep alone. My own experience bears this out.

Blessings to you in your new life,

Martha M

Martha Murdock, Director

National Silicone Implant Foundation

Dallas, Texas Headquarters

----- Original Message -----

From: <carrie_martinez64@...>

< >

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 2:47 PM

Subject: Set Backs

> Seems like I am suffering a really bad flare up of my symptoms and I

> am trying to figure out why. I know my diet has been bad lately, and

> the healer that I saw said that I may be experiencing a major dumping

> of toxins in my blood stream right now from the supplements she gave

> me, I am just so scared of this, and so tired of it. I wonder how I

> can be so sick and still function at this level for much longer. I am

> just hanging by a thread right now. I really pray that it gets better

> soon. I was doing so good for awhile there that I just assumed I

> would continue down that road, I am praying and also trying hard to

> change the diet etc....that I am on so that I will get well soon. I

> was doing so well when I was with my man in Idaho. I just wish it

> would have lasted. I can't wait till I can be with my husband

> everyday.

> Maybe some of you ladies can tell me, Patty, Jackie etc....how do

> your husbands cope with your illness? Do you try not to complain

> about it to much or what? I am just worried about the strain it may

> put on a new relationship, however, my husband is very religious and

> very very loving and has faith that I will get better. I only hope

> that will happen because the idea of getting worse is so frightening.

> When I look back over some of the times I have actually done things,

> working out, going to work, flying on airplanes, throwing birthday

> parties for my daughter, attending different functions, and being so

> ill it is amazing to me all I have been through and how ill I was

> through so many of these things.

> you wonder how you ever made it through, and it is like you have no

> other choice so you just do.

> ah, enough I guess.

> Oh yes, my sister, my own sister still believes that it wasn't my

> implants, things like that hurt, it is almost worse than the illness,

> is the way people treat you and having no one believe you, but I know

> for sure my body.

> I remember feeling those feelings before my surgery, and I actually

> was almost going to back out, it was like I had that nagging doubt,

> but I wanted the beautiful breasts so badly I ignored my inner voice,

> I went ahead with it.

> Well, I guess I need to be patient,, it has only been 4 months, so

> maybe I will be well within the year like everyone keeps telling me,

> at least to not slip back so far would be great, thanks guys.

>

April 1, 2001

, you are a strong lady and will make it thru this. Yes I believe your body is throwing off the toxins as well and that you need to be patient and help your body in any way you can. It may take a year but in the end it will be well worth it.

it does make you feel pretty lousy when people don't believe you. For many years with each episode of deep dark depression or anxiety or the fatigue, the lost time at work, the search for health, the hypoglycemic problems, the candida problems, I have had a hard time with some of Gords careless attitude, or at least it seemed uncaring to me. Like me tho, he is just getting fed up with the every day onslaught of health struggles. I know he adores me and would rather have me around healthy and happy rather than sick and depressed but he does sometimes have a hard time expressing this and I do understand this. He is still a disbeliever that the implants are making me sick so I live with that every day but it doesn't bother me anymore because the things I have learned from this group and the searchs I have done on the net have convinced me that they ARE the problem and thats all that matters. He has accepted that the implants are old and have to be removed so I'm happy with that. Altho it may take me awhile after explant before I really start to feel better, I'm hoping I spring back to health and can show him the difference and perhaps make him a believer as well.

Your husband sounds so sweet and loving that I wouldn't worry about this. You've taken care of the major part of recovery by having the implants removed and each day I bet you are one step closer to that abundant health you had before. We have to expect some down time in order for our miraculous bodies to search out and then release these toxins we have subjected it to. Your doing just fine sweety, I know you'll get there with each passing day. Stay strong and be good to yourself. Hugs! Jackie

----- Original Message -----

From: carrie_martinez64@...

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:47 PM

Subject: Set Backs

Seems like I am suffering a really bad flare up of my symptoms and I am trying to figure out why. I know my diet has been bad lately, and the healer that I saw said that I may be experiencing a major dumping of toxins in my blood stream right now from the supplements she gave me, I am just so scared of this, and so tired of it. I wonder how I can be so sick and still function at this level for much longer. I am just hanging by a thread right now. I really pray that it gets better soon. I was doing so good for awhile there that I just assumed I would continue down that road, I am praying and also trying hard to change the diet etc....that I am on so that I will get well soon. I was doing so well when I was with my man in Idaho. I just wish it would have lasted. I can't wait till I can be with my husband everyday.Maybe some of you ladies can tell me, Patty, Jackie etc....how do your husbands cope with your illness? Do you try not to complain about it to much or what? I am just worried about the strain it may put on a new relationship, however, my husband is very religious and very very loving and has faith that I will get better. I only hope that will happen because the idea of getting worse is so frightening. When I look back over some of the times I have actually done things, working out, going to work, flying on airplanes, throwing birthday parties for my daughter, attending different functions, and being so ill it is amazing to me all I have been through and how ill I was through so many of these things. you wonder how you ever made it through, and it is like you have no other choice so you just do.ah, enough I guess.Oh yes, my sister, my own sister still believes that it wasn't my implants, things like that hurt, it is almost worse than the illness, is the way people treat you and having no one believe you, but I know for sure my body.I remember feeling those feelings before my surgery, and I actually was almost going to back out, it was like I had that nagging doubt, but I wanted the beautiful breasts so badly I ignored my inner voice, I went ahead with it.Well, I guess I need to be patient,, it has only been 4 months, so maybe I will be well within the year like everyone keeps telling me, at least to not slip back so far would be great, thanks guys.

April 1, 2001

Martha,

I believe that couples who sleep together and are happy and touch

eachother are healthier and have stronger immune systems, that makes

perfect sense to me. WHile I was with my husband it was incredible, I

felt really good, and we didn't sleep all that much HA HA HA.

Anyway, I will be with him soon, and we will be together for ever, so

I can get through 2 months till I sell my house here in California

and get all my affairs in order. I was wondering if the medical care

will be good out there. Then I started thinking about the fact that

here in California it hasn't been so spectacular either so really I

think I will be fine there. My husband is super knowledgable in

natural remedies and things so it will be great to have him

supporting me in my struggles to regain my once fantastic health.

Thanks again,

PS I didn't stay in any hotels out there, but I didn't feel sick at

all the day after I arrived in Idaho I felt great after flying, I

wouldn't be surprised if allot of my issues stem from having to leave

behind my man.

Love,

In @y..., " MARTHA " <MAM-NSIF@P...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Yes, , you may well be suffering from additional tissue

inflammation

> from 'dumping of toxins' in your body, and please don't expect this

to be

> the last time for this to happen. When I was having antioxidant IV

therapy

> nearly every day of the week, including Sunday afternoons, I

initially went

> through a lot of this, yet I knew to expect it, and the more I

continued

> this therapy the better all things became. Then I went through

physical

> therapy for a few months before my insurance company agreed to pay

for

> massage therapy. The kind of massage therapy I was having caused

my body to

> dump even more toxins, and initially caused another 'flare up',

which

> eventually setteled down, after several treatments. The most

important

> thing I can say about all of these therapies, is that you must drink

> 'gallons' on purified water to help flush out the toxins before

they can

> cause any serious 'flare ups'.

>

> Another thing I want to mention, is any time you make an airline

trip, you

> are exposed to all kinds of toxins while you are at the airports,

and

> onboard and airplane, as they have to spray all kinds of " stuff " on

an

> airplane that's not good for us. I learned the hard way, that if

I'm flying

> to DC, or somewhere else to speak, the I must go a day early, so I

can spend

> most of the next day in bed recovering from all the airport &

airplane

> polluntants. Then you get to a hotel which has virtually the same

problems

> for your body to try to adjust to -- it's a vicious cicle.

However, Dear

> , these are things that we can educate you about so you can

make the

> necessary 'adjustments' in your schedules -- and you just must

learn to work

> around them, until your body & immune system is stronger.

>

> One of the most positive effects on the immune system, is sleeping

next to

> someone you care about -- it's a proven fact -- and I cannot tell

you where

> to go to back this up. However, couples who sleep together

touching on

> another each night, etc. have the significantly stronger immune

systems,

> than those who sleep alone. My own experience bears this out.

>

> Blessings to you in your new life,

>

> Martha M

>

> Martha Murdock, Director

> National Silicone Implant Foundation

> Dallas, Texas Headquarters

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <carrie_martinez64@y...>

> < @y...>

> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 2:47 PM

> Subject: Set Backs

>

> > Seems like I am suffering a really bad flare up of my symptoms

and I

> > am trying to figure out why. I know my diet has been bad lately,

and

> > the healer that I saw said that I may be experiencing a major

dumping

> > of toxins in my blood stream right now from the supplements she

gave

> > me, I am just so scared of this, and so tired of it. I wonder how

I

> > can be so sick and still function at this level for much longer.

I am

> > just hanging by a thread right now. I really pray that it gets

better

> > soon. I was doing so good for awhile there that I just assumed I

> > would continue down that road, I am praying and also trying hard

to

> > change the diet etc....that I am on so that I will get well soon.

I

> > was doing so well when I was with my man in Idaho. I just wish it

> > would have lasted. I can't wait till I can be with my husband

> > everyday.

> > Maybe some of you ladies can tell me, Patty, Jackie etc....how do

> > your husbands cope with your illness? Do you try not to complain

> > about it to much or what? I am just worried about the strain it

may

> > put on a new relationship, however, my husband is very religious

and

> > very very loving and has faith that I will get better. I only hope

> > that will happen because the idea of getting worse is so

frightening.

> > When I look back over some of the times I have actually done

things,

> > working out, going to work, flying on airplanes, throwing birthday

> > parties for my daughter, attending different functions, and being

so

> > ill it is amazing to me all I have been through and how ill I was

> > through so many of these things.

> > you wonder how you ever made it through, and it is like you have

no

> > other choice so you just do.

> > ah, enough I guess.

> > Oh yes, my sister, my own sister still believes that it wasn't my

> > implants, things like that hurt, it is almost worse than the

illness,

> > is the way people treat you and having no one believe you, but I

know

> > for sure my body.

> > I remember feeling those feelings before my surgery, and I

actually

> > was almost going to back out, it was like I had that nagging

doubt,

> > but I wanted the beautiful breasts so badly I ignored my inner

voice,

> > I went ahead with it.

> > Well, I guess I need to be patient,, it has only been 4 months, so

> > maybe I will be well within the year like everyone keeps telling

me,

> > at least to not slip back so far would be great, thanks guys.

> >

April 2, 2001

Hi Martha and ,

When I went to Washington DC last March for the FDA Advisory Panel Hearing

on Saline Breast Implant approval, I flew the red-eye specials from Vegas to

Dulles Airport, and while I was able to function while I was there

testifying, when I got back to Vegas, I was shot for about a week! I

couldn't believe how exhausted that trip left me. I know it had to do with

the loss of sleep I experienced while travelling, and probably the stress of

the event as well. Since then, I make sure that I don't overdo it when

travelling, and I do pretty good. But I sure do need my sleep. And I

never used to be that way--I was a night owl.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: " MARTHA " <MAM-NSIF@...>

< >

Cc: <carrie_martinez64@...>

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: Set Backs

> Hi ,

>

> Yes, , you may well be suffering from additional tissue inflammation

> from 'dumping of toxins' in your body, and please don't expect this to be

> the last time for this to happen. When I was having antioxidant IV

therapy

> nearly every day of the week, including Sunday afternoons, I initially

went

> through a lot of this, yet I knew to expect it, and the more I continued

> this therapy the better all things became. Then I went through physical

> therapy for a few months before my insurance company agreed to pay for

> massage therapy. The kind of massage therapy I was having caused my body

to

> dump even more toxins, and initially caused another 'flare up', which

> eventually setteled down, after several treatments. The most important

> thing I can say about all of these therapies, is that you must drink

> 'gallons' on purified water to help flush out the toxins before they can

> cause any serious 'flare ups'.

>

> Another thing I want to mention, is any time you make an airline trip, you

> are exposed to all kinds of toxins while you are at the airports, and

> onboard and airplane, as they have to spray all kinds of " stuff " on an

> airplane that's not good for us. I learned the hard way, that if I'm

flying

> to DC, or somewhere else to speak, the I must go a day early, so I can

spend

> most of the next day in bed recovering from all the airport & airplane

> polluntants. Then you get to a hotel which has virtually the same

problems

> for your body to try to adjust to -- it's a vicious cicle. However, Dear

> , these are things that we can educate you about so you can make the

> necessary 'adjustments' in your schedules -- and you just must learn to

work

> around them, until your body & immune system is stronger.

>

> One of the most positive effects on the immune system, is sleeping next to

> someone you care about -- it's a proven fact -- and I cannot tell you

where

> to go to back this up. However, couples who sleep together touching on

> another each night, etc. have the significantly stronger immune systems,

> than those who sleep alone. My own experience bears this out.

>

> Blessings to you in your new life,

>

> Martha M

>

> Martha Murdock, Director

> National Silicone Implant Foundation

> Dallas, Texas Headquarters

April 2, 2001

,

Falling in love and getting married may do more to help you get better than

many of the supplements and other therapies you may do. Don't get me wrong,

because I do think that you will have to keep working hard on detoxing, but

I think falling in love and being in a happy state helps to strengthen the

immune system like nothing else can. Here is what Dr. Weil wrote in

his book Natural Health, Natural Medicine:

" A few years ago I saw two patients with advanced lupus....both were women

in their thirties, one white, one black. The white woman was hospitalized

with serious kidney damage and, as a result, uncontrollably high blood

pressure. She also had serious toxicity from long treatment with steroids

and other immunosuppressive drugs. Her prognosis was grave. The black

woman was out of the hospital, but was also very sick with kidney damage,

high blood pressure, brain dysfunction, and drug toxicity. She was in

better shape than the first patient, but her future also looked grim. The

first patient underwent a religious conversion in the hospital and became a

fundamentalist Christian. The second woman fell in love and subsequently

married. Both went into complete remission and became symptom free. "

I always say to you guys, stay positive, stay positive, and that is the

reason! Having faith in God (for me) is instrumental. There is nothing like

depression to keep you ill, so you have to rise above it, and keep your eyes

focused on the good that you have in your life.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: <carina063@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 1:15 PM

Subject: Re: Set Backs

> Martha,

>

> I believe that couples who sleep together and are happy and touch

> eachother are healthier and have stronger immune systems, that makes

> perfect sense to me. WHile I was with my husband it was incredible, I

> felt really good, and we didn't sleep all that much HA HA HA.

>

> Anyway, I will be with him soon, and we will be together for ever, so

April 2, 2001

Hi ,

You are going to have many, many flares through your healing period, so

don't let them waylay you or get you down. Just know that they will come,

and they will also pass.

My " flares " lasted for weeks, then days, and now they are down to hours. I

have some clues as to what causes them--eating the wrong foods, being too

tired, getting ready to have my period, some supplements, (mostly vitamins),

so I just have learned to adjust my lifestyle. This was a long process for

me.

I remember my first really scary setback. It was in March of 1999, just a

little more than one year after explant. All through late summer, fall and

winter of 1998, I had been fasting, had a colonic, amalgam removal,

chelation therapy, and lifestyle change, and remembered feeling pretty darn

good around Christmas time. Not great, but better. I thought I was on the

upswing for sure, and it continued through January and February. My husband

was living here in Las Vegas while I had stayed behind in Tucson to sell our

home, and so I travelled to Vegas pretty often to be able to see him. I

had just gotten us a room for the weekend at Sunset Station, and was looking

forward to spending some wonderful time together as a family. But all I

remember of that trip now was a horrible poisoned feeling that just set my

head spinning, and it lasted for weeks. I thought I had really had it, and

that my healing had taken a sudden turn south and I would never recover. I

remember hanging my head off the bed to try to get blood to it, but it just

made the room spin faster. It was horrible. It was shortly after that that

I made the decision that I was going to get Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy,

because I was really worried about my brain function! I thought I had brain

cells dying by the dozens, and I had to stop it, or it would be

irreversible! This particular setback lasted several months, from March

1999 until about October 1999. The HBOT didn't seem to help, and I had 22

sessions, and then went through my horrific ordeal of getting my whole

household moved to Vegas in July 1999, which I am sure didn't help things.

(That was one of those times that you look back on it and say, " How in the

name of God did I get through that?!?! You just don't have a choice about

it...you get through) I was just in a constant state of feeling bad most of

the time, and good only some of the time. It was in October of 1999 that I

picked up fasting again, and got on a series of fasts that I believe gave me

my most important boost in the healing process. I have been making gains

since then.

Give it time, , lots of time.

As for my husband, he has been very caring and tender sometimes, and other

times, totally clueless. I found that I had to remind him sometimes that I

didn't really feel that good. They think that since we look fine, we feel

fine. NOT!! I tried not to be a complainer, or a whiner, but honestly,

there were times that I just cried on his shoulder about how I felt and

expressed my fears that I would never get better. I don't know how that

made him feel, but he did comfort me with words. I think it is hard for our

family members to hear us express how sick we feel, but I don't think that

means we should be totally silent either. I think there can be a balance,

where you let them know you appreciate their help and compassion during the

times that you are having a flare, and otherwise try to live as normally as

possible. My husband can be very understanding when I tell him I don't feel

good, but I tell him only as a way to prepare him, so he doesn't get any

false expectations, and then I drop it and don't dwell on it. I think it

helps keep everyone happy.

I think it also depends on the personality and nature of your husband. If

he is the type that gets into being a caregiver and wants to be the one to

pamper you, take care of you, attend to your needs, then by all means, let

him fulfill his destiny! You betcha! My husband is not that type of guy,

(but he will give me a quick massage now and then when I ask him).

I am really happy for you , that you found someone you can be so happy

with. Marriage can be so very rewarding, so enjoy it and be committed to his

happiness, and I am sure he will be committed to yours!