Exercise

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn, Go to rehab where you will be closely monitiered by wearing a

heart monitier. They will tell you immediately if your heart rate goes

to fast. They will coach you through all the exercizes and your

confident level will increase. Give it a try. Good luck. Fred

>

> If I've written about this, forgive me, I'm having trouble

remembering

> things. I am having a great deal of trouble getting over my fear of

> exercise. Anything that raises my heart rate sends me into a slight

> panic. Did anyone else have this trouble and if so how did you

> face/overcome it? I've had a really rotten cold and because of it I'm

> even more deconditioned than I was. help?

>

> Lynn S.

>

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> http://www.siprelle.com

>

> NOTICE: The National Security Agency may have read this email without

> warning, warrant, or notice.

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you may get some improvement from Hawthorn. The Cheney

DVDs may be of some interest to you. I believe Dr. C. says that the

problem is a lack of energy in filling the heart w/ blood, therefore

the reason that your heart rate didn't stay at a high rate after

your exercise.

I also think that Dr. Lerner, where Cheney got a lot of his info

from, said that exercise can make you worse or even.....

However, if you continue to tolerate the exercise, you may be OK.

Your young age may be helping. But wait a few days to see how you

feel. I played a little basketball on Thanksgiving and was wiped out

for four days-I played BB against children.

Mike C

>

> some information on me: 28 years old, former smoker, 5'5 " /135lbs

with

> CFS diagnosis/some FM symptoms.

>

> i tried to do some graded exercise on those machines that move your

> arms and legs, cross-country style, for 15 minutes yesterday. Aside

> from needing a couple of hours' more sleep than usual that night,

> thankfully i am fine. unlike other irmes, where some exercise left

my

> heart beating at the same capacity as when exercised for hours

afterwards.

>

> the thing is (and i don't know if this was due to a faulty computer)

> the machine at first read between 95-100 for my heart rate. the next

> reading plunged to between 60-65. at that point, i got off the

machine

> and felt my heart seem to beat slower and harder, while i was

> sslightly out of breath.

>

> if the machine readings are correct (or even off by a couple of

> points), is this normal? should i try this exercise machine again?

any

> opinions would be helpful.

>

> i would love to talk to my doc about this, but i won't be seeing one

> for the first time for another week yet. i still would like to

> exercise a few more times if i can stand it, before then.

>

> thanks for your advice on this matter.

>

[Guest guest]

exercise

hello,

some information on me: 28 years old, former smoker, 5'5 " /135lbs with

CFS diagnosis/some FM symptoms.

i tried to do some graded exercise on those machines that move your

arms and legs, cross-country style, for 15 minutes yesterday. Aside

from needing a couple of hours' more sleep than usual that night,

thankfully i am fine. unlike other irmes, where some exercise left my

heart beating at the same capacity as when exercised for hours afterwards.

the thing is (and i don't know if this was due to a faulty computer)

the machine at first read between 95-100 for my heart rate. the next

reading plunged to between 60-65. at that point, i got off the machine

and felt my heart seem to beat slower and harder, while i was

sslightly out of breath.

if the machine readings are correct (or even off by a couple of

points), is this normal? should i try this exercise machine again? any

opinions would be helpful.

i would love to talk to my doc about this, but i won't be seeing one

for the first time for another week yet. i still would like to

exercise a few more times if i can stand it, before then.

thanks for your advice on this matter.

Nik,

Just when did your heart start to beat slower? A lower reading could be due to

a cardiac arrthymia if the change is in the middle of exercise. If the lower

reading is after you quit exercising, the change is normal. 15 minutes is a lot

of exercise to start with. I started with 5 minutes of walking and am now up to

18 minutes.

Tony

[Guest guest]

I remember during my worst month, dancing is all I could do. By

myself though- so that I could only do " moves " that didn't hurt.

Now I take a dance class at the gym and I'm fine unless I do the

slightest hop/jump.

Can't you go to Canada and get some Salucartilage

>

> I guess this is elementary, and everyone else has thought of it, and

even I've thought of it, but had given up on it because I wasn't doing

it right & was hurting my knee: Dancing.

>

> You can " dance " with straight legs. You do have to watch out for

torque if you get carried away with the beat, but you can raise your

straight legs frontways, sideways, and backwards (and everything in

between to use those little-used small muscles). Depending on each

person's degree of damage, or its location, you may be able to bend

your knees at least a little. Maybe not with each beat, but maybe

with every 4th or 8th beat.

>

> I like rock. When I hear a good rock song I can't help dancing,

whether I'm lying down, driving, sitting down, or standing up. I

usually have a really hard time getting started when I get up in the

morning - to the point where I sleep till noon, wake up kinda

depressed, and sit at my computer all day. This morning I decided to

move my radio into the bathroom to have a little background while I

washed my face and lo! I began dancing. We shall see what the

consequences are tonight or tomorrow. I tried not to bend my knees.

You can do a lot of dance steps w/o bending your knees. You might look

like a dork or like you've had a stroke, but just close the door, and

especially don't let your kids see you. I ended up dancing for half

an hour. It went fast. It wasn't boring. I didn't have to watch TV

to distract myself from it.

>

> If your shoulders/upper back are OK, you can make it more aerobic by

dancing your arms too. What you get out of it: aerobics,

weight-bearing activity (needed for healthy bones), fun, better mood,

and, I'll bet, after a while, WEIGHT LOSS!

>

> You'll have to experiment to see what exactly you can do with your

legs, and, as always, START SLOWLY (keep up with the beat, but

minimize how much you move (if you can resist the magic of music)) and

work up, waiting 2 days to see whether you irritated your knees or not.

>

> In addition to gringo rock, believe it or not, there's a whole genre

of Latin pop rock out there that's great to dance to. It's not salsa

or ranchero. I recommend the following groups: Mana (pronounced

ma-NAH), Caifanes (they're defunct -- they ended up as the Jaguares,

but the Jaguares are not as good as Caifanes -- it's like part of Led

Zeppelin -- however, they're danceable-to), Ricky , Son by Four,

and the more romantic types, Christian, nne, Enrique Iglesias

(he's NOT a crooner like his father), Rudy la Scala (you have to like

his voice -- try him out on line first), Los Temerarios, Eros

Ramazotti, Shakira, Gianluca Grignani, Ana , Vives.

Some of those are Italians singing in Spanish. Myself, I got totally

hooked by these groups. I also by accident found a good Greek rock

singer, Notis Sfakianakis. I'm listing all these so you won't have to

buy a million CDs trying to find someone good. When I lived in

Sacramento, we had a really good Latin rock station & that's how I

found these performers.

>

> I can't speak for dancing to country music, because I don't listen

to it much, but if that's your thing, try it out.

>

> And, as I reccomended before, try walking around the house (again,

when your kids aren't around to laugh at you or wonder why they had to

be born into this family) using a slow goose-step (but don't slam your

foot down on the floor), i.e., you take each step with a straight leg,

raising it till it's horizontal to the floor (or whatever your hip

flexors [Psoas major and Iliacus -- see

http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Anatomy/Graphics/hip-flexors-anatomy.jpg]

can handle), hold it for a split second, let it down easy in front of

you so that you make progress, then raise the other leg (or the next

leg if you have more than two). This is also good for the lower abs.

Once you get this down, you can do it without holding onto anything,

and this is really good for those little balance muscles. I also use

this going down the stairs (holding onto the banister -- PLEASE hold

onto the banister if you do this, no matter how confident you are),

and coming up the stairs I do the opposite: raise my legs backward

(not both at the same time -- that results in a great face plant that

your children are sure to witness). I do this to try to recover my

lost butt (and I would like to know why fat accumulates on the tops of

the SIDES of my hips but not over the glutes -- what is that, some

kind of joke of the gods?). You might think that, bringing that leg

forward from behind, bending it, placing it on the next step, and then

stepping up with it, it would put more stress on the kneecap, but I

have a hypothesis that the momentum from the backwards-extended leg

helps lift you up so it's less stress on the knee. Could be wrong.

>

> Also I wanted to say that anyone with CP should also looking into

torn meniscus, esp. if they've been very physically active in the past

and/or are over 50. Mine are falling apart. I've already had half of

both lateral menisci removed. I know from the MRI that there's a tear

in the medial meniscus in my R knee (not bad enough for the surgeon to

fix, I guess), and I'm pretty sure I have one in my L medial meniscus.

If these tear too much, you get extra knee pain (oh joy!) and if you

concentrate on it, it feels different from CP pain. It's more inside

the knee. It might even be on the outside (on the side) of the knee,

either medially or laterally. A seriously torn meniscus hurts like

hell & needs surgery.

>

> A New Year's wish for us: Let us remember that we are athletes

temporarily disabled by a condition that could be easily fixed if the

FDA would approve the SaluCartilage. In the meantime, we stick

together here and do what we can to maintain our health.

>

> Ann

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've done a little dancing over the years since my knees first got hurt -- I've

never been much of a dancer, it used to be against our religion, but things are

more lenient now -- my dancing has been mostly at cast parties after

performances with my theater group. Sometimes it works better than others. My

daughter is going to a ballroom dance class and it's been tempting to see if the

teacher could accomodate my knee problems. It's certainly something to think

about. Thanks for the inspiration.

Lucinda

Ann <ruby2zdy@...> wrote:

I guess this is elementary, and everyone else has thought of it, and

even I've thought of it, but had given up on it because I wasn't doing it right

& was hurting my knee: Dancing.

You can " dance " with straight legs. You do have to watch out for torque if you

get carried away with the beat, but you can raise your straight legs frontways,

sideways, and backwards (and everything in between to use those little-used

small muscles). Depending on each person's degree of damage, or its location,

you may be able to bend your knees at least a little. Maybe not with each beat,

but maybe with every 4th or 8th beat.

I like rock. When I hear a good rock song I can't help dancing, whether I'm

lying down, driving, sitting down, or standing up. I usually have a really hard

time getting started when I get up in the morning - to the point where I sleep

till noon, wake up kinda depressed, and sit at my computer all day. This morning

I decided to move my radio into the bathroom to have a little background while I

washed my face and lo! I began dancing. We shall see what the consequences are

tonight or tomorrow. I tried not to bend my knees. You can do a lot of dance

steps w/o bending your knees. You might look like a dork or like you've had a

stroke, but just close the door, and especially don't let your kids see you. I

ended up dancing for half an hour. It went fast. It wasn't boring. I didn't have

to watch TV to distract myself from it.

If your shoulders/upper back are OK, you can make it more aerobic by dancing

your arms too. What you get out of it: aerobics, weight-bearing activity (needed

for healthy bones), fun, better mood, and, I'll bet, after a while, WEIGHT LOSS!

You'll have to experiment to see what exactly you can do with your legs, and, as

always, START SLOWLY (keep up with the beat, but minimize how much you move (if

you can resist the magic of music)) and work up, waiting 2 days to see whether

you irritated your knees or not.

In addition to gringo rock, believe it or not, there's a whole genre of Latin

pop rock out there that's great to dance to. It's not salsa or ranchero. I

recommend the following groups: Mana (pronounced ma-NAH), Caifanes (they're

defunct -- they ended up as the Jaguares, but the Jaguares are not as good as

Caifanes -- it's like part of Led Zeppelin -- however, they're danceable-to),

Ricky , Son by Four, and the more romantic types, Christian, nne,

Enrique Iglesias (he's NOT a crooner like his father), Rudy la Scala (you have

to like his voice -- try him out on line first), Los Temerarios, Eros Ramazotti,

Shakira, Gianluca Grignani, Ana , Vives. Some of those are

Italians singing in Spanish. Myself, I got totally hooked by these groups. I

also by accident found a good Greek rock singer, Notis Sfakianakis. I'm listing

all these so you won't have to buy a million CDs trying to find someone good.

When I lived in Sacramento, we had a really good Latin

rock station & that's how I found these performers.

I can't speak for dancing to country music, because I don't listen to it much,

but if that's your thing, try it out.

And, as I reccomended before, try walking around the house (again, when your

kids aren't around to laugh at you or wonder why they had to be born into this

family) using a slow goose-step (but don't slam your foot down on the floor),

i.e., you take each step with a straight leg, raising it till it's horizontal to

the floor (or whatever your hip flexors [Psoas major and Iliacus -- see

http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Anatomy/Graphics/hip-flexors-anatomy.jpg] can

handle), hold it for a split second, let it down easy in front of you so that

you make progress, then raise the other leg (or the next leg if you have more

than two). This is also good for the lower abs. Once you get this down, you can

do it without holding onto anything, and this is really good for those little

balance muscles. I also use this going down the stairs (holding onto the

banister -- PLEASE hold onto the banister if you do this, no matter how

confident you are), and coming up the stairs I do the opposite:

raise my legs backward (not both at the same time -- that results in a great

face plant that your children are sure to witness). I do this to try to recover

my lost butt (and I would like to know why fat accumulates on the tops of the

SIDES of my hips but not over the glutes -- what is that, some kind of joke of

the gods?). You might think that, bringing that leg forward from behind, bending

it, placing it on the next step, and then stepping up with it, it would put more

stress on the kneecap, but I have a hypothesis that the momentum from the

backwards-extended leg helps lift you up so it's less stress on the knee. Could

be wrong.

Also I wanted to say that anyone with CP should also looking into torn meniscus,

esp. if they've been very physically active in the past and/or are over 50. Mine

are falling apart. I've already had half of both lateral menisci removed. I know

from the MRI that there's a tear in the medial meniscus in my R knee (not bad

enough for the surgeon to fix, I guess), and I'm pretty sure I have one in my L

medial meniscus. If these tear too much, you get extra knee pain (oh joy!) and

if you concentrate on it, it feels different from CP pain. It's more inside the

knee. It might even be on the outside (on the side) of the knee, either medially

or laterally. A seriously torn meniscus hurts like hell & needs surgery.

A New Year's wish for us: Let us remember that we are athletes temporarily

disabled by a condition that could be easily fixed if the FDA would approve the

SaluCartilage. In the meantime, we stick together here and do what we can to

maintain our health.

Ann

[Guest guest]

what religion bans dancing??

i can understand why. its such a sexual thing lol

> I guess this is elementary, and everyone else has thought

of it, and even I've thought of it, but had given up on it because I

wasn't doing it right & was hurting my knee: Dancing.

>

> You can " dance " with straight legs. You do have to watch out for

torque if you get carried away with the beat, but you can raise your

straight legs frontways, sideways, and backwards (and everything in

between to use those little-used small muscles). Depending on each

person's degree of damage, or its location, you may be able to bend

your knees at least a little. Maybe not with each beat, but maybe with

every 4th or 8th beat.

>

> I like rock. When I hear a good rock song I can't help dancing,

whether I'm lying down, driving, sitting down, or standing up. I

usually have a really hard time getting started when I get up in the

morning - to the point where I sleep till noon, wake up kinda

depressed, and sit at my computer all day. This morning I decided to

move my radio into the bathroom to have a little background while I

washed my face and lo! I began dancing. We shall see what the

consequences are tonight or tomorrow. I tried not to bend my knees.

You can do a lot of dance steps w/o bending your knees. You might look

like a dork or like you've had a stroke, but just close the door, and

especially don't let your kids see you. I ended up dancing for half an

hour. It went fast. It wasn't boring. I didn't have to watch TV to

distract myself from it.

>

> If your shoulders/upper back are OK, you can make it more aerobic by

dancing your arms too. What you get out of it: aerobics,

weight-bearing activity (needed for healthy bones), fun, better mood,

and, I'll bet, after a while, WEIGHT LOSS!

>

> You'll have to experiment to see what exactly you can do with your

legs, and, as always, START SLOWLY (keep up with the beat, but

minimize how much you move (if you can resist the magic of music)) and

work up, waiting 2 days to see whether you irritated your knees or not.

>

> In addition to gringo rock, believe it or not, there's a whole genre

of Latin pop rock out there that's great to dance to. It's not salsa

or ranchero. I recommend the following groups: Mana (pronounced

ma-NAH), Caifanes (they're defunct -- they ended up as the Jaguares,

but the Jaguares are not as good as Caifanes -- it's like part of Led

Zeppelin -- however, they're danceable-to), Ricky , Son by Four,

and the more romantic types, Christian, nne, Enrique Iglesias

(he's NOT a crooner like his father), Rudy la Scala (you have to like

his voice -- try him out on line first), Los Temerarios, Eros

Ramazotti, Shakira, Gianluca Grignani, Ana , Vives. Some

of those are Italians singing in Spanish. Myself, I got totally hooked

by these groups. I also by accident found a good Greek rock singer,

Notis Sfakianakis. I'm listing all these so you won't have to buy a

million CDs trying to find someone good. When I lived in Sacramento,

we had a really good Latin

> rock station & that's how I found these performers.

>

> I can't speak for dancing to country music, because I don't listen

to it much, but if that's your thing, try it out.

>

> And, as I reccomended before, try walking around the house (again,

when your kids aren't around to laugh at you or wonder why they had to

be born into this family) using a slow goose-step (but don't slam your

foot down on the floor), i.e., you take each step with a straight leg,

raising it till it's horizontal to the floor (or whatever your hip

flexors [Psoas major and Iliacus -- see

http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Anatomy/Graphics/hip-flexors-anatomy.jpg]

can handle), hold it for a split second, let it down easy in front of

you so that you make progress, then raise the other leg (or the next

leg if you have more than two). This is also good for the lower abs.

Once you get this down, you can do it without holding onto anything,

and this is really good for those little balance muscles. I also use

this going down the stairs (holding onto the banister -- PLEASE hold

onto the banister if you do this, no matter how confident you are),

and coming up the stairs I do the opposite:

> raise my legs backward (not both at the same time -- that results

in a great face plant that your children are sure to witness). I do

this to try to recover my lost butt (and I would like to know why fat

accumulates on the tops of the SIDES of my hips but not over the

glutes -- what is that, some kind of joke of the gods?). You might

think that, bringing that leg forward from behind, bending it, placing

it on the next step, and then stepping up with it, it would put more

stress on the kneecap, but I have a hypothesis that the momentum from

the backwards-extended leg helps lift you up so it's less stress on

the knee. Could be wrong.

>

> Also I wanted to say that anyone with CP should also looking into

torn meniscus, esp. if they've been very physically active in the past

and/or are over 50. Mine are falling apart. I've already had half of

both lateral menisci removed. I know from the MRI that there's a tear

in the medial meniscus in my R knee (not bad enough for the surgeon to

fix, I guess), and I'm pretty sure I have one in my L medial meniscus.

If these tear too much, you get extra knee pain (oh joy!) and if you

concentrate on it, it feels different from CP pain. It's more inside

the knee. It might even be on the outside (on the side) of the knee,

either medially or laterally. A seriously torn meniscus hurts like

hell & needs surgery.

>

> A New Year's wish for us: Let us remember that we are athletes

temporarily disabled by a condition that could be easily fixed if the

FDA would approve the SaluCartilage. In the meantime, we stick

together here and do what we can to maintain our health.

>

> Ann

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I was growing up in the Bible Belt, the Baptists frowned pretty hard on

dancing, but I think they gave up trying to control their teenagers. This was

when rock was first developing and Elvis the Pelvis was shocking them. They

were right, though. I think dancing together in a darkened room is (or can

easily be) foreplay. It's definitely not sexual when I do it for exercise in my

skivvies -- it's pretty disgusting. I can't stand to watch myself in the

mirror.

Ann

Re: Exercise

what religion bans dancing??

i can understand why. its such a sexual thing lol

> I guess this is elementary, and everyone else has thought

of it, and even I've thought of it, but had given up on it because I

wasn't doing it right & was hurting my knee: Dancing.

>

> You can " dance " with straight legs. You do have to watch out for

torque if you get carried away with the beat, but you can raise your

straight legs frontways, sideways, and backwards (and everything in

between to use those little-used small muscles). Depending on each

person's degree of damage, or its location, you may be able to bend

your knees at least a little. Maybe not with each beat, but maybe with

every 4th or 8th beat.

>

> I like rock. When I hear a good rock song I can't help dancing,

whether I'm lying down, driving, sitting down, or standing up. I

usually have a really hard time getting started when I get up in the

morning - to the point where I sleep till noon, wake up kinda

depressed, and sit at my computer all day. This morning I decided to

move my radio into the bathroom to have a little background while I

washed my face and lo! I began dancing. We shall see what the

consequences are tonight or tomorrow. I tried not to bend my knees.

You can do a lot of dance steps w/o bending your knees. You might look

like a dork or like you've had a stroke, but just close the door, and

especially don't let your kids see you. I ended up dancing for half an

hour. It went fast. It wasn't boring. I didn't have to watch TV to

distract myself from it.

>

> If your shoulders/upper back are OK, you can make it more aerobic by

dancing your arms too. What you get out of it: aerobics,

weight-bearing activity (needed for healthy bones), fun, better mood,

and, I'll bet, after a while, WEIGHT LOSS!

>

> You'll have to experiment to see what exactly you can do with your

legs, and, as always, START SLOWLY (keep up with the beat, but

minimize how much you move (if you can resist the magic of music)) and

work up, waiting 2 days to see whether you irritated your knees or not.

>

> In addition to gringo rock, believe it or not, there's a whole genre

of Latin pop rock out there that's great to dance to. It's not salsa

or ranchero. I recommend the following groups: Mana (pronounced

ma-NAH), Caifanes (they're defunct -- they ended up as the Jaguares,

but the Jaguares are not as good as Caifanes -- it's like part of Led

Zeppelin -- however, they're danceable-to), Ricky , Son by Four,

and the more romantic types, Christian, nne, Enrique Iglesias

(he's NOT a crooner like his father), Rudy la Scala (you have to like

his voice -- try him out on line first), Los Temerarios, Eros

Ramazotti, Shakira, Gianluca Grignani, Ana , Vives. Some

of those are Italians singing in Spanish. Myself, I got totally hooked

by these groups. I also by accident found a good Greek rock singer,

Notis Sfakianakis. I'm listing all these so you won't have to buy a

million CDs trying to find someone good. When I lived in Sacramento,

we had a really good Latin

> rock station & that's how I found these performers.

>

> I can't speak for dancing to country music, because I don't listen

to it much, but if that's your thing, try it out.

>

> And, as I reccomended before, try walking around the house (again,

when your kids aren't around to laugh at you or wonder why they had to

be born into this family) using a slow goose-step (but don't slam your

foot down on the floor), i.e., you take each step with a straight leg,

raising it till it's horizontal to the floor (or whatever your hip

flexors [Psoas major and Iliacus -- see

http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Anatomy/Graphics/hip-flexors-anatomy.jpg]

can handle), hold it for a split second, let it down easy in front of

you so that you make progress, then raise the other leg (or the next

leg if you have more than two). This is also good for the lower abs.

Once you get this down, you can do it without holding onto anything,

and this is really good for those little balance muscles. I also use

this going down the stairs (holding onto the banister -- PLEASE hold

onto the banister if you do this, no matter how confident you are),

and coming up the stairs I do the opposite:

> raise my legs backward (not both at the same time -- that results

in a great face plant that your children are sure to witness). I do

this to try to recover my lost butt (and I would like to know why fat

accumulates on the tops of the SIDES of my hips but not over the

glutes -- what is that, some kind of joke of the gods?). You might

think that, bringing that leg forward from behind, bending it, placing

it on the next step, and then stepping up with it, it would put more

stress on the kneecap, but I have a hypothesis that the momentum from

the backwards-extended leg helps lift you up so it's less stress on

the knee. Could be wrong.

>

> Also I wanted to say that anyone with CP should also looking into

torn meniscus, esp. if they've been very physically active in the past

and/or are over 50. Mine are falling apart. I've already had half of

both lateral menisci removed. I know from the MRI that there's a tear

in the medial meniscus in my R knee (not bad enough for the surgeon to

fix, I guess), and I'm pretty sure I have one in my L medial meniscus.

If these tear too much, you get extra knee pain (oh joy!) and if you

concentrate on it, it feels different from CP pain. It's more inside

the knee. It might even be on the outside (on the side) of the knee,

either medially or laterally. A seriously torn meniscus hurts like

hell & needs surgery.

>

> A New Year's wish for us: Let us remember that we are athletes

temporarily disabled by a condition that could be easily fixed if the

FDA would approve the SaluCartilage. In the meantime, we stick

together here and do what we can to maintain our health.

>

> Ann

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lots of them ban dancing, at least, the more fundamentalist religions seem to go

through an early stage of banning it. I know some Baptist churches ban it, as

do Pentecoatals, but I was raised Nazarene. I'm not sure that it's officially

" OK " with Nazarenes, but it's not preached against from the pulpit like it was

when I was little.

I didn't understand why it was banned until one night when I watched a variety

show on TV and the young men were wearing tight pants while they danced and I

could suddenly understand that if we were trying to prevent lust in our hearts

then dancing wasn't really an activity we should be engaging in! LOL! However,

most dancing doesn't have that effect. Square dancing, polkas, and other

energetic dances that focus on proper footwork are seldom invitations to lust.

That said, when the hormones are raging anything is an invitation to lustful

thoughts!

However, it's a great way to get some exercise without thinking about it, so

for those of us who can do it without sinning (sorry, can't quite type that with

a straight face! -- I suppose that could count the swearing if we wrench our

knees?) I thoroughly approve of dancing as a form of exercise.

Lucinda

hedy_dilmanian <heds401@...> wrote:

what religion bans dancing??

i can understand why. its such a sexual thing lol

> I guess this is elementary, and everyone else has thought

of it, and even I've thought of it, but had given up on it because I

wasn't doing it right & was hurting my knee: Dancing.

>

> You can " dance " with straight legs. You do have to watch out for

torque if you get carried away with the beat, but you can raise your

straight legs frontways, sideways, and backwards (and everything in

between to use those little-used small muscles). Depending on each

person's degree of damage, or its location, you may be able to bend

your knees at least a little. Maybe not with each beat, but maybe with

every 4th or 8th beat.

>

> I like rock. When I hear a good rock song I can't help dancing,

whether I'm lying down, driving, sitting down, or standing up. I

usually have a really hard time getting started when I get up in the

morning - to the point where I sleep till noon, wake up kinda

depressed, and sit at my computer all day. This morning I decided to

move my radio into the bathroom to have a little background while I

washed my face and lo! I began dancing. We shall see what the

consequences are tonight or tomorrow. I tried not to bend my knees.

You can do a lot of dance steps w/o bending your knees. You might look

like a dork or like you've had a stroke, but just close the door, and

especially don't let your kids see you. I ended up dancing for half an

hour. It went fast. It wasn't boring. I didn't have to watch TV to

distract myself from it.

>

> If your shoulders/upper back are OK, you can make it more aerobic by

dancing your arms too. What you get out of it: aerobics,

weight-bearing activity (needed for healthy bones), fun, better mood,

and, I'll bet, after a while, WEIGHT LOSS!

>

> You'll have to experiment to see what exactly you can do with your

legs, and, as always, START SLOWLY (keep up with the beat, but

minimize how much you move (if you can resist the magic of music)) and

work up, waiting 2 days to see whether you irritated your knees or not.

>

> In addition to gringo rock, believe it or not, there's a whole genre

of Latin pop rock out there that's great to dance to. It's not salsa

or ranchero. I recommend the following groups: Mana (pronounced

ma-NAH), Caifanes (they're defunct -- they ended up as the Jaguares,

but the Jaguares are not as good as Caifanes -- it's like part of Led

Zeppelin -- however, they're danceable-to), Ricky , Son by Four,

and the more romantic types, Christian, nne, Enrique Iglesias

(he's NOT a crooner like his father), Rudy la Scala (you have to like

his voice -- try him out on line first), Los Temerarios, Eros

Ramazotti, Shakira, Gianluca Grignani, Ana , Vives. Some

of those are Italians singing in Spanish. Myself, I got totally hooked

by these groups. I also by accident found a good Greek rock singer,

Notis Sfakianakis. I'm listing all these so you won't have to buy a

million CDs trying to find someone good. When I lived in Sacramento,

we had a really good Latin

> rock station & that's how I found these performers.

>

> I can't speak for dancing to country music, because I don't listen

to it much, but if that's your thing, try it out.

>

> And, as I reccomended before, try walking around the house (again,

when your kids aren't around to laugh at you or wonder why they had to

be born into this family) using a slow goose-step (but don't slam your

foot down on the floor), i.e., you take each step with a straight leg,

raising it till it's horizontal to the floor (or whatever your hip

flexors [Psoas major and Iliacus -- see

http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Anatomy/Graphics/hip-flexors-anatomy.jpg]

can handle), hold it for a split second, let it down easy in front of

you so that you make progress, then raise the other leg (or the next

leg if you have more than two). This is also good for the lower abs.

Once you get this down, you can do it without holding onto anything,

and this is really good for those little balance muscles. I also use

this going down the stairs (holding onto the banister -- PLEASE hold

onto the banister if you do this, no matter how confident you are),

and coming up the stairs I do the opposite:

> raise my legs backward (not both at the same time -- that results

in a great face plant that your children are sure to witness). I do

this to try to recover my lost butt (and I would like to know why fat

accumulates on the tops of the SIDES of my hips but not over the

glutes -- what is that, some kind of joke of the gods?). You might

think that, bringing that leg forward from behind, bending it, placing

it on the next step, and then stepping up with it, it would put more

stress on the kneecap, but I have a hypothesis that the momentum from

the backwards-extended leg helps lift you up so it's less stress on

the knee. Could be wrong.

>

> Also I wanted to say that anyone with CP should also looking into

torn meniscus, esp. if they've been very physically active in the past

and/or are over 50. Mine are falling apart. I've already had half of

both lateral menisci removed. I know from the MRI that there's a tear

in the medial meniscus in my R knee (not bad enough for the surgeon to

fix, I guess), and I'm pretty sure I have one in my L medial meniscus.

If these tear too much, you get extra knee pain (oh joy!) and if you

concentrate on it, it feels different from CP pain. It's more inside

the knee. It might even be on the outside (on the side) of the knee,

either medially or laterally. A seriously torn meniscus hurts like

hell & needs surgery.

>

> A New Year's wish for us: Let us remember that we are athletes

temporarily disabled by a condition that could be easily fixed if the

FDA would approve the SaluCartilage. In the meantime, we stick

together here and do what we can to maintain our health.

>

> Ann

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL!! Oh, thanks for the huge laugh! I'm with you, I wouldn't be able to watch

myself dance either. Ditto on all the rest of it, too. I wasn't sure my church

had given up vetoing dancing until I saw church members passing around photos of

the preacher's daughter in her prom dress -- then I figured the rules must have

changed when I wasn't looking.

Lucinda

Ann <ruby2zdy@...> wrote:

When I was growing up in the Bible Belt, the Baptists frowned pretty

hard on dancing, but I think they gave up trying to control their teenagers.

This was when rock was first developing and Elvis the Pelvis was shocking them.

They were right, though. I think dancing together in a darkened room is (or can

easily be) foreplay. It's definitely not sexual when I do it for exercise in my

skivvies -- it's pretty disgusting. I can't stand to watch myself in the mirror.

Ann

Re: Exercise

what religion bans dancing??

i can understand why. its such a sexual thing lol

> I guess this is elementary, and everyone else has thought

of it, and even I've thought of it, but had given up on it because I

wasn't doing it right & was hurting my knee: Dancing.

>

> You can " dance " with straight legs. You do have to watch out for

torque if you get carried away with the beat, but you can raise your

straight legs frontways, sideways, and backwards (and everything in

between to use those little-used small muscles). Depending on each

person's degree of damage, or its location, you may be able to bend

your knees at least a little. Maybe not with each beat, but maybe with

every 4th or 8th beat.

>

> I like rock. When I hear a good rock song I can't help dancing,

whether I'm lying down, driving, sitting down, or standing up. I

usually have a really hard time getting started when I get up in the

morning - to the point where I sleep till noon, wake up kinda

depressed, and sit at my computer all day. This morning I decided to

move my radio into the bathroom to have a little background while I

washed my face and lo! I began dancing. We shall see what the

consequences are tonight or tomorrow. I tried not to bend my knees.

You can do a lot of dance steps w/o bending your knees. You might look

like a dork or like you've had a stroke, but just close the door, and

especially don't let your kids see you. I ended up dancing for half an

hour. It went fast. It wasn't boring. I didn't have to watch TV to

distract myself from it.

>

> If your shoulders/upper back are OK, you can make it more aerobic by

dancing your arms too. What you get out of it: aerobics,

weight-bearing activity (needed for healthy bones), fun, better mood,

and, I'll bet, after a while, WEIGHT LOSS!

>

> You'll have to experiment to see what exactly you can do with your

legs, and, as always, START SLOWLY (keep up with the beat, but

minimize how much you move (if you can resist the magic of music)) and

work up, waiting 2 days to see whether you irritated your knees or not.

>

> In addition to gringo rock, believe it or not, there's a whole genre

of Latin pop rock out there that's great to dance to. It's not salsa

or ranchero. I recommend the following groups: Mana (pronounced

ma-NAH), Caifanes (they're defunct -- they ended up as the Jaguares,

but the Jaguares are not as good as Caifanes -- it's like part of Led

Zeppelin -- however, they're danceable-to), Ricky , Son by Four,

and the more romantic types, Christian, nne, Enrique Iglesias

(he's NOT a crooner like his father), Rudy la Scala (you have to like

his voice -- try him out on line first), Los Temerarios, Eros

Ramazotti, Shakira, Gianluca Grignani, Ana , Vives. Some

of those are Italians singing in Spanish. Myself, I got totally hooked

by these groups. I also by accident found a good Greek rock singer,

Notis Sfakianakis. I'm listing all these so you won't have to buy a

million CDs trying to find someone good. When I lived in Sacramento,

we had a really good Latin

> rock station & that's how I found these performers.

>

> I can't speak for dancing to country music, because I don't listen

to it much, but if that's your thing, try it out.

>

> And, as I reccomended before, try walking around the house (again,

when your kids aren't around to laugh at you or wonder why they had to

be born into this family) using a slow goose-step (but don't slam your

foot down on the floor), i.e., you take each step with a straight leg,

raising it till it's horizontal to the floor (or whatever your hip

flexors [Psoas major and Iliacus -- see

http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Anatomy/Graphics/hip-flexors-anatomy.jpg]

can handle), hold it for a split second, let it down easy in front of

you so that you make progress, then raise the other leg (or the next

leg if you have more than two). This is also good for the lower abs.

Once you get this down, you can do it without holding onto anything,

and this is really good for those little balance muscles. I also use

this going down the stairs (holding onto the banister -- PLEASE hold

onto the banister if you do this, no matter how confident you are),

and coming up the stairs I do the opposite:

> raise my legs backward (not both at the same time -- that results

in a great face plant that your children are sure to witness). I do

this to try to recover my lost butt (and I would like to know why fat

accumulates on the tops of the SIDES of my hips but not over the

glutes -- what is that, some kind of joke of the gods?). You might

think that, bringing that leg forward from behind, bending it, placing

it on the next step, and then stepping up with it, it would put more

stress on the kneecap, but I have a hypothesis that the momentum from

the backwards-extended leg helps lift you up so it's less stress on

the knee. Could be wrong.

>

> Also I wanted to say that anyone with CP should also looking into

torn meniscus, esp. if they've been very physically active in the past

and/or are over 50. Mine are falling apart. I've already had half of

both lateral menisci removed. I know from the MRI that there's a tear

in the medial meniscus in my R knee (not bad enough for the surgeon to

fix, I guess), and I'm pretty sure I have one in my L medial meniscus.

If these tear too much, you get extra knee pain (oh joy!) and if you

concentrate on it, it feels different from CP pain. It's more inside

the knee. It might even be on the outside (on the side) of the knee,

either medially or laterally. A seriously torn meniscus hurts like

hell & needs surgery.

>

> A New Year's wish for us: Let us remember that we are athletes

temporarily disabled by a condition that could be easily fixed if the

FDA would approve the SaluCartilage. In the meantime, we stick

together here and do what we can to maintain our health.

>

> Ann

>

>

[Guest guest]

Y'all crack me up!!! Didn't dance in the Bible? Not all dancin is

sexual... I am a ballet dancer who also dances jazz.... Dancing really helps

with the weight issues and the knee issuses. I think that if you want to dance..

then do IT!!!!!!!!

Luci Sutherland <lucisept61@...> wrote:

LOL!! Oh, thanks for the huge laugh! I'm with you, I wouldn't be able

to watch myself dance either. Ditto on all the rest of it, too. I wasn't sure my

church had given up vetoing dancing until I saw church members passing around

photos of the preacher's daughter in her prom dress -- then I figured the rules

must have changed when I wasn't looking.

Lucinda

Ann <ruby2zdy@...> wrote:

When I was growing up in the Bible Belt, the Baptists frowned pretty hard on

dancing, but I think they gave up trying to control their teenagers. This was

when rock was first developing and Elvis the Pelvis was shocking them. They were

right, though. I think dancing together in a darkened room is (or can easily be)

foreplay. It's definitely not sexual when I do it for exercise in my skivvies --

it's pretty disgusting. I can't stand to watch myself in the mirror.

Ann

Re: Exercise

what religion bans dancing??

i can understand why. its such a sexual thing lol

> I guess this is elementary, and everyone else has thought

of it, and even I've thought of it, but had given up on it because I

wasn't doing it right & was hurting my knee: Dancing.

>

> You can " dance " with straight legs. You do have to watch out for

torque if you get carried away with the beat, but you can raise your

straight legs frontways, sideways, and backwards (and everything in

between to use those little-used small muscles). Depending on each

person's degree of damage, or its location, you may be able to bend

your knees at least a little. Maybe not with each beat, but maybe with

every 4th or 8th beat.

>

> I like rock. When I hear a good rock song I can't help dancing,

whether I'm lying down, driving, sitting down, or standing up. I

usually have a really hard time getting started when I get up in the

morning - to the point where I sleep till noon, wake up kinda

depressed, and sit at my computer all day. This morning I decided to

move my radio into the bathroom to have a little background while I

washed my face and lo! I began dancing. We shall see what the

consequences are tonight or tomorrow. I tried not to bend my knees.

You can do a lot of dance steps w/o bending your knees. You might look

like a dork or like you've had a stroke, but just close the door, and

especially don't let your kids see you. I ended up dancing for half an

hour. It went fast. It wasn't boring. I didn't have to watch TV to

distract myself from it.

>

> If your shoulders/upper back are OK, you can make it more aerobic by

dancing your arms too. What you get out of it: aerobics,

weight-bearing activity (needed for healthy bones), fun, better mood,

and, I'll bet, after a while, WEIGHT LOSS!

>

> You'll have to experiment to see what exactly you can do with your

legs, and, as always, START SLOWLY (keep up with the beat, but

minimize how much you move (if you can resist the magic of music)) and

work up, waiting 2 days to see whether you irritated your knees or not.

>

> In addition to gringo rock, believe it or not, there's a whole genre

of Latin pop rock out there that's great to dance to. It's not salsa

or ranchero. I recommend the following groups: Mana (pronounced

ma-NAH), Caifanes (they're defunct -- they ended up as the Jaguares,

but the Jaguares are not as good as Caifanes -- it's like part of Led

Zeppelin -- however, they're danceable-to), Ricky , Son by Four,

and the more romantic types, Christian, nne, Enrique Iglesias

(he's NOT a crooner like his father), Rudy la Scala (you have to like

his voice -- try him out on line first), Los Temerarios, Eros

Ramazotti, Shakira, Gianluca Grignani, Ana , Vives. Some

of those are Italians singing in Spanish. Myself, I got totally hooked

by these groups. I also by accident found a good Greek rock singer,

Notis Sfakianakis. I'm listing all these so you won't have to buy a

million CDs trying to find someone good. When I lived in Sacramento,

we had a really good Latin

> rock station & that's how I found these performers.

>

> I can't speak for dancing to country music, because I don't listen

to it much, but if that's your thing, try it out.

>

> And, as I reccomended before, try walking around the house (again,

when your kids aren't around to laugh at you or wonder why they had to

be born into this family) using a slow goose-step (but don't slam your

foot down on the floor), i.e., you take each step with a straight leg,

raising it till it's horizontal to the floor (or whatever your hip

flexors [Psoas major and Iliacus -- see

http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Anatomy/Graphics/hip-flexors-anatomy.jpg]

can handle), hold it for a split second, let it down easy in front of

you so that you make progress, then raise the other leg (or the next

leg if you have more than two). This is also good for the lower abs.

Once you get this down, you can do it without holding onto anything,

and this is really good for those little balance muscles. I also use

this going down the stairs (holding onto the banister -- PLEASE hold

onto the banister if you do this, no matter how confident you are),

and coming up the stairs I do the opposite:

> raise my legs backward (not both at the same time -- that results

in a great face plant that your children are sure to witness). I do

this to try to recover my lost butt (and I would like to know why fat

accumulates on the tops of the SIDES of my hips but not over the

glutes -- what is that, some kind of joke of the gods?). You might

think that, bringing that leg forward from behind, bending it, placing

it on the next step, and then stepping up with it, it would put more

stress on the kneecap, but I have a hypothesis that the momentum from

the backwards-extended leg helps lift you up so it's less stress on

the knee. Could be wrong.

>

> Also I wanted to say that anyone with CP should also looking into

torn meniscus, esp. if they've been very physically active in the past

and/or are over 50. Mine are falling apart. I've already had half of

both lateral menisci removed. I know from the MRI that there's a tear

in the medial meniscus in my R knee (not bad enough for the surgeon to

fix, I guess), and I'm pretty sure I have one in my L medial meniscus.

If these tear too much, you get extra knee pain (oh joy!) and if you

concentrate on it, it feels different from CP pain. It's more inside

the knee. It might even be on the outside (on the side) of the knee,

either medially or laterally. A seriously torn meniscus hurts like

hell & needs surgery.

>

> A New Year's wish for us: Let us remember that we are athletes

temporarily disabled by a condition that could be easily fixed if the

FDA would approve the SaluCartilage. In the meantime, we stick

together here and do what we can to maintain our health.

>

> Ann

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even ballet and jazz classes are designed to make the dancer feel

" confident. " In another words, to make them feel sexy. lol!

> > I guess this is elementary, and everyone else has thought

> of it, and even I've thought of it, but had given up on it because I

> wasn't doing it right & was hurting my knee: Dancing.

> >

> > You can " dance " with straight legs. You do have to watch out for

> torque if you get carried away with the beat, but you can raise your

> straight legs frontways, sideways, and backwards (and everything in

> between to use those little-used small muscles). Depending on each

> person's degree of damage, or its location, you may be able to bend

> your knees at least a little. Maybe not with each beat, but maybe with

> every 4th or 8th beat.

> >

> > I like rock. When I hear a good rock song I can't help dancing,

> whether I'm lying down, driving, sitting down, or standing up. I

> usually have a really hard time getting started when I get up in the

> morning - to the point where I sleep till noon, wake up kinda

> depressed, and sit at my computer all day. This morning I decided to

> move my radio into the bathroom to have a little background while I

> washed my face and lo! I began dancing. We shall see what the

> consequences are tonight or tomorrow. I tried not to bend my knees.

> You can do a lot of dance steps w/o bending your knees. You might look

> like a dork or like you've had a stroke, but just close the door, and

> especially don't let your kids see you. I ended up dancing for half an

> hour. It went fast. It wasn't boring. I didn't have to watch TV to

> distract myself from it.

> >

> > If your shoulders/upper back are OK, you can make it more aerobic by

> dancing your arms too. What you get out of it: aerobics,

> weight-bearing activity (needed for healthy bones), fun, better mood,

> and, I'll bet, after a while, WEIGHT LOSS!

> >

> > You'll have to experiment to see what exactly you can do with your

> legs, and, as always, START SLOWLY (keep up with the beat, but

> minimize how much you move (if you can resist the magic of music)) and

> work up, waiting 2 days to see whether you irritated your knees or not.

> >

> > In addition to gringo rock, believe it or not, there's a whole genre

> of Latin pop rock out there that's great to dance to. It's not salsa

> or ranchero. I recommend the following groups: Mana (pronounced

> ma-NAH), Caifanes (they're defunct -- they ended up as the Jaguares,

> but the Jaguares are not as good as Caifanes -- it's like part of Led

> Zeppelin -- however, they're danceable-to), Ricky , Son by Four,

> and the more romantic types, Christian, nne, Enrique Iglesias

> (he's NOT a crooner like his father), Rudy la Scala (you have to like

> his voice -- try him out on line first), Los Temerarios, Eros

> Ramazotti, Shakira, Gianluca Grignani, Ana , Vives. Some

> of those are Italians singing in Spanish. Myself, I got totally hooked

> by these groups. I also by accident found a good Greek rock singer,

> Notis Sfakianakis. I'm listing all these so you won't have to buy a

> million CDs trying to find someone good. When I lived in Sacramento,

> we had a really good Latin

> > rock station & that's how I found these performers.

> >

> > I can't speak for dancing to country music, because I don't listen

> to it much, but if that's your thing, try it out.

> >

> > And, as I reccomended before, try walking around the house (again,

> when your kids aren't around to laugh at you or wonder why they had to

> be born into this family) using a slow goose-step (but don't slam your

> foot down on the floor), i.e., you take each step with a straight leg,

> raising it till it's horizontal to the floor (or whatever your hip

> flexors [Psoas major and Iliacus -- see

>

http://www.fitstep.com/Advanced/Anatomy/Graphics/hip-flexors-anatomy.jpg]

> can handle), hold it for a split second, let it down easy in front of

> you so that you make progress, then raise the other leg (or the next

> leg if you have more than two). This is also good for the lower abs.

> Once you get this down, you can do it without holding onto anything,

> and this is really good for those little balance muscles. I also use

> this going down the stairs (holding onto the banister -- PLEASE hold

> onto the banister if you do this, no matter how confident you are),

> and coming up the stairs I do the opposite:

> > raise my legs backward (not both at the same time -- that results

> in a great face plant that your children are sure to witness). I do

> this to try to recover my lost butt (and I would like to know why fat

> accumulates on the tops of the SIDES of my hips but not over the

> glutes -- what is that, some kind of joke of the gods?). You might

> think that, bringing that leg forward from behind, bending it, placing

> it on the next step, and then stepping up with it, it would put more

> stress on the kneecap, but I have a hypothesis that the momentum from

> the backwards-extended leg helps lift you up so it's less stress on

> the knee. Could be wrong.

> >

> > Also I wanted to say that anyone with CP should also looking into

> torn meniscus, esp. if they've been very physically active in the past

> and/or are over 50. Mine are falling apart. I've already had half of

> both lateral menisci removed. I know from the MRI that there's a tear

> in the medial meniscus in my R knee (not bad enough for the surgeon to

> fix, I guess), and I'm pretty sure I have one in my L medial meniscus.

> If these tear too much, you get extra knee pain (oh joy!) and if you

> concentrate on it, it feels different from CP pain. It's more inside

> the knee. It might even be on the outside (on the side) of the knee,

> either medially or laterally. A seriously torn meniscus hurts like

> hell & needs surgery.

> >

> > A New Year's wish for us: Let us remember that we are athletes

> temporarily disabled by a condition that could be easily fixed if the

> FDA would approve the SaluCartilage. In the meantime, we stick

> together here and do what we can to maintain our health.

> >

> > Ann

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Amy~

That is so fabulous! You are really doing great. I bet you have a loss

on Saturday. Even if it isn't down as far as you expect, you are

definitely on the right track.

Let us know how it goes Saturday.

warmly,

Kim

On 3/22/07, Amy <beachchic3030@...> wrote:

>

> Been doing ok with sticking to some exercise, so this week I have done WATP

> express 2 mile walk 3 days in a row, although today I REALLY didnt feel

> like doing it , but I did. Im just hope that I have a loss saturday instead

> of retaining fluid from all this exercise, but we will see. Hope every one

> is having a great day.

>

> amyS

>

[Guest guest]

I will pass this on to our special rec folks at NSSRA...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Exercise

Is anyone familiar with good exercise videos for people with

disabilities? We have 12 young adults participating in a class. We

have 2 young men in wheelchairs and various other disabilities. Do you

know of a video that would be beneficial to all? Thanks for your help.

[Guest guest]

About a year ago, I was at a NADS conference and they had one that, appartently,

was quite good and popular. Any folks from NADS know the name of it?

Regards,

Conroy

Ellen Bronfeld <egskb@...> wrote:

I will pass this on to our special rec folks at NSSRA...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Exercise

Is anyone familiar with good exercise videos for people with

disabilities? We have 12 young adults participating in a class. We

have 2 young men in wheelchairs and various other disabilities. Do you

know of a video that would be beneficial to all? Thanks for your help.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, .

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Exercise

Is anyone familiar with good exercise videos for people with

disabilities? We have 12 young adults participating in a class. We

have 2 young men in wheelchairs and various other disabilities. Do you

know of a video that would be beneficial to all? Thanks for your help.

[Guest guest]

Great Job , so very proud of you!!

2 lbs is great!!

-- exercise

Hello, everyone. I had a good day today. I finally got back on my elliptical today for the first

time in I don't know when. I also woke up to find I'd lost 2 more pounds so was very happy

about that. , I know it's key for me too to keep an account of everything I eat. Are you

doing this life change on your own, or are you following a program? I'm doing the Lindora

program as I said before and have to say it's working. It is very strict but is what I need right

now. I just want this weight off!! Hope everybody has a good day. We can do this!

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Good job with the elliptical and losing 2 lbs !!

I agree - I need to keep track of what I am eating, otherwise things snowball out of control too quickly.

For myself, I am following WW right now.

My first 25 lbs roughly I was following another program, now about 36 since going to WW.

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Dr S says nothing strenuous, especially if you were not exercising before. He talks about the muscles retaining water if you start exercising where you weren't before hCG and we''ve seen some stalls from that.

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So I was wondering if anyone has a regular exercise routine they hav done during phase two? I am just curious if it would help any with the weight loss.. I read both books and the only thing it says is that you dont have to exercise but I dont remember reading anything about what happens if you do.. does anyone know has anyone exercised during phase two?Brittney

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>OK SO IF i HAVE BEEN EXERCISING ALREADY it's not going to hurt to

continue then?

> Dr S says nothing strenuous, especially if you were not exercising

before. He talks about the muscles retaining water if you start

exercising where you weren't before hCG and we''ve seen some stalls

from that.

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Probably not, but if your losses are not what you want them to be, some have stopped working out temporarily and gotten greater losses during that time, so just keep it in mind if you stall or have smaller losses at any point.

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According to the paper instructions I have it is moderate walking thru day 20, day 21 you can start doing other moderate exercise starting with 10-5 min a day and adding 15 min each week until you reach 45-60 minutes a day.

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From: Burson <burson.carrie@...>Subject: Exercise Date: Monday, May 26, 2008, 9:21 PM

Just wondering. What does Dr. Aceves say about exercising after surgery? I'm sure he'll discuss this with me when I see him. I just want to get information on this topic so I can start plans.

Thanks!

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[Dr-Aceves-bandster s] Band stretching?

Does the band stretch? Is eating kept to a minimum to restrict band stretching?

Or,

Perhaps the band does not stretch and the upper-stomach stretches?

Just thinking out loud.

Thanks to all for the very helpful comments on diabetes 2.

I may be moving forward with this procedure soon. It appears to be the least invasive, cheapest, too!

Thanks again.

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Thanks!!!

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[Dr-Aceves-bandster s] Band stretching?

Does the band stretch? Is eating kept to a minimum to restrict band stretching?

Or,

Perhaps the band does not stretch and the upper-stomach stretches?

Just thinking out loud.

Thanks to all for the very helpful comments on diabetes 2.

I may be moving forward with this procedure soon. It appears to be the least invasive, cheapest, too!

Thanks again.

Ed

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I do not know if it is available where you are but water therapy did wonders for me after injuring my back and hips. You can move in the water without the pressure on the joints. Your weight is displaced and makes the legs not so heavy. You can feel that you have worked out after you get out of the water though!

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Exercise

I have had several injuries to my right knee and to my lower back...can

anyone give me some advise as to what kind of exercise I can do. I

have a tredmill and a healthrider. I have been overweight for

approximately 2 years due to a car accident in 2005.

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In a message dated 6/20/2008 10:39:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ellie090249@... writes:

I have had several injuries to my right knee and to my lower back...can anyone give me some advise as to what kind of exercise I can do. I have a tredmill and a healthrider.

Hi Ellie - I think I saw that you are going to start up swimming.... if walking is out of the question, at least in longer durations, I would recommend some of the sit-down programs we hear about: "Sit and Be Fit" on the PBS channels or 's "Sit Tight" might be something you can do until you build up strength, etc.

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Kellie

Any chance you have stairs in your home. Running stairs burns 9 cals a minute. I

do that when I can't get to the gym. I work with 5 minutes at a time.

Kathy R in Walla Walla

From: kellie carney <kelausser@...>

Subject: exercise

Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 10:02 PM

With all this snow I can't get down to the gym.  My mom and Granny

have been in the kitchen making goodies for the past couple days.  I have taken

the kids sledding but I'm not getting my cardio up.  I just started loosing

weight again and am frustrated I'm stuck here with all this crap around me.  My

family is all heavy and they all supposedly support me and my husband but I am

not strong enough to resist chocolate!!! !  It is soooooo frustrating! !!!  I'd

love any ideas, but mostly thank you for letting me vent!!!!  Kellie