Fasting

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't do it too often. (Maybe once a month?) I doubt you lose

much fat doing it. Probably muscle/water.

Becky

> Well, gals, after being gone for over a month, I am back to share

something

> interesting. I am now down 17 lbs and tons of inches. I was having

a ton of

> trouble getting anywhere with BFL or I should say that it was going

very

> slowly. Much slower that when I did it before.

>

> I decided to try something to get things reprogramed. It isn't easy

but the

> results are amazing. You can take it or leave it but I will say, if

you are

> having trouble, it really can change things. I know not everyone is

going to

> agree with this, but at least think about it. Fasting.

>

> The fast that I did is a 3 day fast where you just drink 2 qts of a

mixture

> of lemon juice, maple syrup and water. If anyone is interested, I

can post

> the amounts. The maple syrup gives you energy and is low glycemic,

and has a

> lot of vitamins and minerals. You also drink at least 2 quarts of

water.

> Distilled is recommended.

>

> What I found after doing this. First of all, I am not even going to

pretend

> that this isn't hard. Day 2 left me wanting to eat the bark off of

a tree.

> But when I was done, I found that I was totally reprogramed. I

didn't have

> any of the cravings that I suffered through pre-fast. It made

eating the

> right foods EASY! And I felt like a million bucks! You need to do

much

> lighter work outs during this process but boy, do I recommend it.

> I even saw a report on the national evening news that fasting is

good for

> you. The biggest thing that I found was that it seemed

to " reprogram " my

> desire for sugar, etc. Just another tool is this process.

>

> Ana

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's just a personal thing. The idea of my body totally cleansing

itself. That's all. I figured that would be a good time to do it.

> In a message dated 3/8/2004 10:23:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> chrissa68@h... writes:

>

> > I don't think it would be a problem. I fast 3 days once a month

with

> > my cycle

>

> What's the reasoning behind fasting for 3 days with your cycle?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just called Cleveland Clinic and they said that midnight prior is

the cut-off time unless they tell me otherwise at my pre-op earlier

that day prior. WOW!

Joy (in Michigan)

[Guest guest]

Dr. Richter said he didn't believe in making you suffer any more then you had to. Is Dr. Rice doing your surgery?

in IndianaJoy <q.t@...> wrote:

I just called Cleveland Clinic and they said that midnight prior is the cut-off time unless they tell me otherwise at my pre-op earlier that day prior. WOW!Joy (in Michigan)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, Dr. Rice is doing the surgery. What does he do....vacuum the

stomoch or something instead of calling for the fast?

Joy (in Michigan)

> Dr. Richter said he didn't believe in making you suffer any more

then you had to. Is Dr. Rice doing your surgery?

> in Indiana

>

> Joy <q.t@s...> wrote:

> I just called Cleveland Clinic and they said that midnight prior is

> the cut-off time unless they tell me otherwise at my pre-op earlier

> that day prior. WOW!

> Joy (in Michigan)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well with a lap they don't actually cut into the inner muscle just the outer. My case was different...I had my whole stomach opened and parts taken out LOL. So they figure that anything (food) that was in that area should be gone by then. in IndianaJoy <q.t@...> wrote:

Hi ,Yes, Dr. Rice is doing the surgery. What does he do....vacuum the stomoch or something instead of calling for the fast?Joy (in Michigan)> Dr. Richter said he didn't believe in making you suffer any more then you had to. Is Dr. Rice doing your surgery?> in Indiana> > Joy <q.t@s...> wrote:> I just called Cleveland Clinic and they said that midnight prior is > the cut-off time unless they tell me otherwise at my pre-op earlier > that day prior. WOW!> Joy (in Michigan)> > >

[Guest guest]

-If I go too long without food I can expect spasms in a big way.

Nancee New Hampshire USA-- In achalasia , " Cindi

Wilmot " <cindiscandles@s...> wrote:

> I can't fast. I get spasms. Cindi

[Guest guest]

No nutrients at all for the duration of the fast?

--- ragnar redbeard <corny100@...> wrote:

> Hi Gail

> Welcome to the wonderful world of fasting! It has

> done wonders for me and for all those who I have

> known to do it. It sounds like you did not do a

> TRUE fast, which is water only. Apparently not

> important based on your results. I did a water only

> fast for 23 days and it completely eliminated my

> chronic asthma and sinusitis. Fasting is a tried

> and true method for eliminating most diseases.

> Humans are a bit slow on the uptake since all

> animals know instinctively to fast when ill.

>

> Corny

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

For the duration. Nutrients needed during a water (true) fast are supplied by

the internal organs where they have been stored as part of the mammalian body's

natural processes. Even very thin people can fast for long periods of time as

evidenced by my roommate at the fasting clinic where I stayed. He was a street

drug user and needed 30 days before he was sufficiently detoxed. The detox goes

slower if you do a modified fast such as " master cleanse. " It can still be

effective, but not as quickly since the body has to put energy into food

digestion and metabolism (as much as 25% of available energy). With a water

fast, ALL available energy goes into detox and healing.

Corny

Re: Fasting

No nutrients at all for the duration of the fast?

--- ragnar redbeard <corny100@...<mailto:corny100@...>> wrote:

> Hi Gail

> Welcome to the wonderful world of fasting! It has

> done wonders for me and for all those who I have

> known to do it. It sounds like you did not do a

> TRUE fast, which is water only. Apparently not

> important based on your results. I did a water only

> fast for 23 days and it completely eliminated my

> chronic asthma and sinusitis. Fasting is a tried

> and true method for eliminating most diseases.

> Humans are a bit slow on the uptake since all

> animals know instinctively to fast when ill.

>

> Corny

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

The biochemistry involved in the pathways of detoxification are HEAVILY

nutrient dependent. I would guess that in most people the necessary

nutrients and the dependent detox pathways are deficient and quite possibly

totally absent resulting in an impaired ability to deal with the elimination

of toxins in a safe manner. Given this scenario, a fast is the worst thing

you could do as fasting will pull out stored toxins into general circulation

without a properly functioning mechanism to safely dispose of the wildly

destructive newly freed toxins. Going on a water fast without paying

attention to what has been recently learned about the physiology involved in

removing toxins is dangerous.

Dennis

Re: Fasting

>

>

>

> No nutrients at all for the duration of the fast?

>

>

> --- ragnar redbeard <corny100@...<mailto:corny100@...>> wrote:

> > Hi Gail

> > Welcome to the wonderful world of fasting! It has

> > done wonders for me and for all those who I have

> > known to do it. It sounds like you did not do a

> > TRUE fast, which is water only. Apparently not

> > important based on your results. I did a water only

> > fast for 23 days and it completely eliminated my

> > chronic asthma and sinusitis. Fasting is a tried

> > and true method for eliminating most diseases.

> > Humans are a bit slow on the uptake since all

> > animals know instinctively to fast when ill.

> >

> > Corny

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Dennis

Your " guess " flies in the face of the tens of thousands of successful and well

documented fasts that have been conducted at many clinics around the world in

the last 100 years and longer. It's a proven fact that nutrients are stored in

the body, even in very sick and toxic bodies. If this weren't true, these

people would be dying very quickly after starting a fast. I suggest you do a

little research on the subject. The works of Dr Herbert Shelton are a good

start.

Regarding the issue of detoxing: a thing that seemed to prevail at the clinic

near Hollister, Ca. where I stayed for 4 weeks was that reactions caused by the

detox seemed to be comparatively mild for most of the patients. This was

certainly true for me, as I never experienced any kind of an unpleasant reaction

during the 23 days that I fasted. Yet, the long term asthma, allergic rhinitis

and glandular weaknesses were eliminated. The body seemed to do the necessary

work in a controlled and non-stressful manner. I guess we can contrast this

with the difficult reactions experienced by so many doing ozone therapy.

Corny

Re: Fasting

>

>

>

> No nutrients at all for the duration of the fast?

>

>

> --- ragnar redbeard

<corny100@...<mailto:corny100@...<mailto:corny100@...<mailto:corny10\

0@...>>> wrote:

> > Hi Gail

> > Welcome to the wonderful world of fasting! It has

> > done wonders for me and for all those who I have

> > known to do it. It sounds like you did not do a

> > TRUE fast, which is water only. Apparently not

> > important based on your results. I did a water only

> > fast for 23 days and it completely eliminated my

> > chronic asthma and sinusitis. Fasting is a tried

> > and true method for eliminating most diseases.

> > Humans are a bit slow on the uptake since all

> > animals know instinctively to fast when ill.

> >

> > Corny

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Corny,

Shelton is obsolete.

Look at: http://www.drpressman.com/Library/Detoxification/index.htm for some

up to date info on detoxing.

Dennis

Re: Fasting

> >

> >

> >

> > No nutrients at all for the duration of the fast?

> >

> >

> > --- ragnar redbeard

<corny100@...<mailto:corny100@...<mailto:corny100@...<mailto:cor

ny100@...>>> wrote:

> > > Hi Gail

> > > Welcome to the wonderful world of fasting! It has

> > > done wonders for me and for all those who I have

> > > known to do it. It sounds like you did not do a

> > > TRUE fast, which is water only. Apparently not

> > > important based on your results. I did a water only

> > > fast for 23 days and it completely eliminated my

> > > chronic asthma and sinusitis. Fasting is a tried

> > > and true method for eliminating most diseases.

> > > Humans are a bit slow on the uptake since all

> > > animals know instinctively to fast when ill.

> > >

> > > Corny

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

leannekoren wrote:

> Those of you who are against fasting I have but one question to ask,

> have you ever done it?

Yes, I have fasted for 2 days a few times but it really didn't do anything.

I didn't feel any better or worse except that I was hungry and a little weak.

[Guest guest]

leannekoren wrote:

> Those of you who are against fasting I have but one question to ask,

> have you ever done it?

Yes.

It makes me very sick indeed. And it is hard to eat and bother to make

food when IO am not well - but either way - fasting does me no good.

I need to eat often to feel okay at all - whether well or ill.

Maybe it has to do with blood type issues?

I am O and Rh neg and nonsecretor.

Kinda short on blood antigens of any kind :-))

.....IRene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

I fast when I have the kind of sickness where I just can't eat, no

appetite. Why force it down? I haven't fasted for more than 32 hours;

like a day and a half. I felt very cleaned out; it felt good.

I imagine (no research behind this) that ancient peoples sometimes

went without food due to scarcity, and pehaps the need to fast could

be built into our systems? And perhaps when food was more plentiful

ritual fasting in religons was instituted to put the balance back in?

On the other hand, perhaps body type, metabolism, or the type of

health problems you have could explain why some people benefit from

fasting while others suffer from it?

- T

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/17/2005 4:40:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

lescase@... writes:

What I like about an occasional fast is that it helps me to really appreciate

food !!

All I have to do is eat at my ex wife's.

[Guest guest]

oh! You are a riot!

> In a message dated 4/17/2005 4:40:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> lescase@a... writes:

> What I like about an occasional fast is that it helps me to really

appreciate

> food !!

>

> All I have to do is eat at my ex wife's.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I find days 1 through 4 the roughest but find fantastic turn around between

days 4 and 7. By day 7 you feel a little light headed but in an ethereal

way. It actually is rather enjoyable the last few days and much more so on

KT.

Those with sensitive blood sugar have a rougher time with fasting. My wife

falls into that category and wasn't able to handle a 3 day fast. But she

didn't try it with KT.

- Len

-----Original Message-----

From: Ross

Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:45 AM

My experience with fasting has been that it makes me ill, so exhausted I can

barely funciton. Others of my acquaintace report the same problem. It seems

to me that the exhaustion is a sign that all those thousands of chemicals

floating around inside us are starting to come out, and perhaps KT eases

their

removal.

[Guest guest]

Do you mean fasting-not eating ?

annie

RE: fasting

>I find days 1 through 4 the roughest but find fantastic turn around between

> days 4 and 7. By day 7 you feel a little light headed but in an ethereal

> way. It actually is rather enjoyable the last few days and much more so

> on

> KT.

>

> Those with sensitive blood sugar have a rougher time with fasting. My

> wife

> falls into that category and wasn't able to handle a 3 day fast. But she

> didn't try it with KT.

>

>

> - Len

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Ross

> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:45 AM

>

> My experience with fasting has been that it makes me ill, so exhausted I

> can

> barely funciton. Others of my acquaintace report the same problem. It

> seems

> to me that the exhaustion is a sign that all those thousands of chemicals

> floating around inside us are starting to come out, and perhaps KT eases

> their

> removal.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fasting can be done in a number of different ways. It could be a fasting

from eating, which is the primary type, fasting from anything but water. It

could be a fasting from meat and only veggies. Or a number of other things.

But the majority of people fast from food. The easiest way I've found to do

this is to prepare your body. Not go off food all at once but gradually cut

back your intake. And then cut off for a few days.

The longest I have ever done is 5 days. I haven't tried with a KT only

fast. I've had the thought of this in the back of my head for a few weeks

now. Thats funny, and then this post pops up. Somebody must be telling me

something.

Stanley

Re: RE: fasting

Do you mean fasting-not eating ?

annie

RE: fasting

>I find days 1 through 4 the roughest but find fantastic turn around

between

> days 4 and 7. By day 7 you feel a little light headed but in an

ethereal

> way. It actually is rather enjoyable the last few days and much more so

> on

> KT.

>

> Those with sensitive blood sugar have a rougher time with fasting. My

> wife

> falls into that category and wasn't able to handle a 3 day fast. But

she

> didn't try it with KT.

>

>

> - Len

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Ross

> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:45 AM

>

> My experience with fasting has been that it makes me ill, so exhausted I

> can

> barely funciton. Others of my acquaintace report the same problem. It

> seems

> to me that the exhaustion is a sign that all those thousands of

chemicals

> floating around inside us are starting to come out, and perhaps KT eases

> their

> removal.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

People mean different things by " fasting, " sometimes just abstaining from

certain foods, but usually for therapeutic reasons people abstain from

eating solid foods. Sometimes folks just take juices and sometimes they just

take water.

The most recent mass demonstration of the therapeutic value of fasting was

done on Europeans during World War II when people actually starved. While I

am sure that some did actually die of starvation,

it was noted at that time that those who survived starvation had a swift

improvement in their medical conditions. However, those who were

malnourished in childhood like film stars Loretta Young and Audrey Hepburn

remained very slim during their adult lives.

RE: fasting

>

>

>>I find days 1 through 4 the roughest but find fantastic turn around

>>between

>> days 4 and 7. By day 7 you feel a little light headed but in an ethereal

>> way. It actually is rather enjoyable the last few days and much more so

>> on

>> KT.

>>

>> Those with sensitive blood sugar have a rougher time with fasting. My

>> wife

>> falls into that category and wasn't able to handle a 3 day fast. But she

>> didn't try it with KT.

>>

>>

>> - Len

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Ross

>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:45 AM

>>

>> My experience with fasting has been that it makes me ill, so exhausted I

>> can

>> barely funciton. Others of my acquaintace report the same problem. It

>> seems

>> to me that the exhaustion is a sign that all those thousands of chemicals

>> floating around inside us are starting to come out, and perhaps KT eases

>> their

>> removal.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

That's generally what fasting is about - not eating. Gives your body a rest by

not having to use any energy to digest food. Food digestion takes a lot of body

energy. Energy that could be put to better use healing whatever needs to healed

within us.

Shari

[Guest guest]

I think fasting with KT and water would be an absolutely brilliant fast.

They've done studies on rats (and I'm not big on animal experimentation,

but nevertheless, this was done) and they show that animals who have a

reduction in calories, even for a brief time, wind up living longer. And

it turns out that a reduction of weight, even for a brief time, translates

to longer life.

The scientists were saying that based on the study, they believe they can

recommend periodic calorie reductions, as well as a lower calorie intake

(from the typical Western diet), for optimal health and longevity.

a link with some studies (but not the exact one I was recalling):

http://www.anti-aging-guide.com/31mousestudies.php

--V

At 02:57 PM 8/9/2005, you wrote:

>That's generally what fasting is about - not eating. Gives your body a

>rest by not having to use any energy to digest food. Food digestion takes

>a lot of body energy. Energy that could be put to better use healing

>whatever needs to healed within us.

>

>Shari

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicki

If I were you I would not fast without talking to your doctor first. Fasting

while taking NSAID's is not advisable for anyone.

I had to get special dispensation from the Synod to modify the fasting routine I

follow. I have been fasting for several years now, especially during penitent

seasons and fasting days. The odd part of it is my weight went up not down. Up

to a point my doctor never thought I would hit. The point that I have to lose

10 pounds. A lot of old friends do not recognize me anymore.

Fasting and meditation can help to manage chronic pain but does need to be

okayed by your doctor.

Anyone who would like more information on fasting, meditation, prayer feel free

to contact me off list.

Blessings

+Dave

[Guest guest]

Thanks...good idea, +Dave.

I will be seeing my MD soon and will discuss it with her before proceeding with

a fast. I reviewed my journal from 2004 before I was so consistently on NSAIDs

and she had me do a modified fast/cleanse. She gave me list of foods (preferably

organic) as well as a kit with fiber pills, milk thistle caps and a gentle

herbal laxative. As " gentle " as it promise, I never used the laxative because of

my irritable bowel. Thankfully, lots of water does the trick for me.

Back then, I ended with some probiotics...however I have discovered that

probiotics trigger my eye inflammation (episcleritis/scleritis.)

Go figure...probiotics helps my stomach but aggravates my eyes...this disease is

very tricky! So now I am thinking I can eat extra yogurt in place of the

probiotics. Eating yogurt doesn't seem to bother my eyes.

Does anyone else react to probiotics with increased inflammation?

I am off work for a few weeks and I finally made it to UCLA Jules Stein Eye

Institute...I heard it was tops in So. Cal. I was impressed by the care and

grateful that I went. It was good to have another MD's perspective. I saw Ralph

Levinson who specializes in eye inflammation. He was very thorough and caring.

Apparently my chronic episcleritis and scleritis are not as common as uveitis

and iritis are with R.S. He recommended that I try to get off the NSAIDs and see

if I can keep the scleritis at bay with just the pred forte eye drops. I am now

also on glaucoma drops to counteract the pressure from the pred drops.

Levinson feels that is easier to repair cataracts and glaucoma from the long

term use of pred forte drops than to repair damage from scleritis. I guess the

worse case senario with scleritis involves the eye actually melting or

exploding. (I actually have a toy rubber eye ball that I squeeze and it oozes

this gross gooey gunk...my sick humor helps to keep me sane. My first

ophthamologist was totally speechless when I showed it to him... I sure wish I

had a video of that moment!)

Levinson also thinks it is better to reduce or stop the NSAIDs for the sake of

my stomach, kidneys and liver. This seemed a good treatment goal for me. But

this is easier said than done and I will, of course, run it by my RH MD. He said

if my scleritis flares in my process of (slowly) weaning off NSAIDs, he would

recommend two choices:

1) hospitalizing me for 3-4 days and putting me on a very high dose pred. drip.

I would be monitored by a shrink because of my previous bad reaction (a bi-polar

episode) or...

2) he would shoot pred. directly into my eyeball with a needle. This is a newer

procedure for my condition. Lovely choices, eh?

Has anyone with eye inflammation experienced either option? I would be more

inclined to try it if I thought I could knock this inflammation on it's rear for

a while and get a break (or even better a total remission.) I would be eager to

hear of your experiences. Feel free to respond off line if you wish.

I hope you are all doing well in 2006. May God bless each of us with improved

health and serenity this year. I am deeply grateful for this group.

Peace,

from CA

Fasting while taking NSAID's is not advisable for anyone.

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